tougher measures are being put in place a twenty eight football world cup in russia to prevent violence and hooliganism growing long awaited event how do you stop hotheaded fans from clashing with rival supporters as the hooligans movement in russia as dangerous as the media. well to talk about this and more we're joined by a figure in the world of football hooliganism now author and filmmaker pennant. before. coming to russia next. comes the thread. so why is it. an. overzealous supporters spillover from sports rivalries.

cast patterns former football hooligan now author of numerous books welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us cash now you met russian hooligans before right and they view you as a legend are they really so bloodthirsty as the media paints them. no. what i always trying for isis to go is on may i was in so fast and for a year i was and i was quite young i reminded me of the guns in england that my denotes always nine for themselves back in the seventy's and eighty's that that sign hung at that sign look at that sign sense of excitement. i was probably placed a mate by only one of them spoke english not as it. was the first time they'd been allowed out of russia as a group. with phrases of stuff so i was very sorry to test themselves and i was a nation in the euro championships in the four and i told me i said i had you know

i won nine because i'm an old fart that i wasn't aware of a book published in russia and i said well because president we know only english. on elections in russia we learn a lot from your books england is the motherland of food it is a well to russia welcome to russia are you scared to come to the world cup. me so for. a month and i each now to open to what you unsavory i've been invited to moscow once look at the time come to some of the film i can now i would love to do the moscow opening volley ball of. the russians on mate and so fast and for that i've stayed in touch with me and i've learnt a lot about him because in the euros are spent at least some free weights if you are them for forthcoming book the photo of india you know a lot of the time hooligans are actually branded fascists criminals by the media

you experienced this as well back in day does the media exaggerate the ties between whole again is a man criminality. the major point poem always football who is i'm friends by killing them used to fuel the vonnegut's because the who dunnit relied on the media and i tried so the information i got from the media meant it started and leak of on it's on the football started stadiums and out so at the stadiums. it was sponsible media we posed to fight in international guides a lot of friends. very much to slaughter the media because they have different stories to the one we polled teet how do you change just misperception between football fans or hole against and those on the outside. one one why is our one reason to come out is because i felt it was a different story to the one the public was being told by the media and i've become

quite a six for four for when people were laws there was a different story. in fight a lot of people learn from our books students people. that work at a guy who does not know for long about the night and the people they are close and who turns for information from the spirit. to the bill if you can papers like they may row and daily mail there were quick to publish videos claiming they show. showing russian hooligans fighting while in reality if this was a traditional spring festival play fight that's not even the first time this sort of thing happens how does this affect the perception of a regular british football flame. well as as a former push. this can of the poem though i did say that video and you can say

anyone watches it to say story on why that was not football who does it. but it sells piper's you know they put the headlines out and people on a populist went ahead of the headline and when they were using the takes and not seen the video which mean you've seen the show someone taught a different way to experience state the russian hooligans that are in their spirits that the sign here is as the english to them so it doesn't mean to say that who is and doesn't go on it clearly dogs but there's one thing about miss we polled a lot to say a lot britain has got a lot of problems i had this is a lie is solved with code is a it seems to play now but move for more than for the woman with a shoe appearance and since the fall to solve it you know you know you and you'll you know you'll experience it out but in that experience that and i realize that we pull in. as an influence to the point now that i don't really recall football it's

in england and the rest i have to and often it is an unwritten rule with the press thing england only applies to the english league clubs when they play internationals like they call freedom to report had i wish i got a lot more freedom hates before my teacher told him at last the world cup or you out but with the world cup coming up you will see a lot of media in this country from the from the the press mirror in the sun. and i see the whole british press establishment go over bold before ball was kicked in the well caught up at the frets of violet's when it's all actually happens. you find that yvonne it seems i was among them which lee. is known as is that me is the press spilled out they were out to play before and because the measures that we imply stood out but after watching all these movies and reading the hysteria in

the media is there any danger english fans could be seeking retaliation in twenty eighteen i mean especially after last year's violence at the here is enough to say . you know what the hype did happen and it's not going to miss but luckily slated for is here because of events last why so because england signs of being banged before. just acts of on its lot seven so what we say to you i was too sixteen. because i'm going to bring food i buy the hoodlums all and i know new measures to try to stop them leaving the country. many of whom will not my future russia you know what football hooligans may be learning from the english elegant movements of decades ago russian authorities are also taking a page from england's playbook there are forcing tougher rules and penalties for violence at sporting events do you think that will work. these country.

and it's best shared intelligence shared information. like they couldn't be solving very long time because each of four is doing different things it is only when a way forward is the football the football clubs the place and the colts all come together on was i able to really get on top of the vaughan it's an england and from that i've never looked like in some self you fold is really in charge of crowd control and they're very effective. afrique what's going on in russia afraid i will try to simulate action because life is a freak i know in the west but parts of the media in the way still looking for russia to find was a major sporting very. in offering russia when i realize the world will be watching for signs of football wants that i can obviously play out in the media. and might

use that please. it's quite obvious that offering a lot of russian who goes will expects a climbdown while before the first but with kate in the tournament. is to scare fair on t.v. and in other media are done in hope that russia will be stripped of the tournament and maybe it will go to england finally when costs are actually like they've been heard for a year is now. well free what's what's going on is as a person on the terraces on the in the football saints in england ice chrono put themselves the football fans is not supreme vote politically i don't like the politics into football. but because i'm a case in england. and wallace and there's a girl in the last few years and i didn't see russia think about the way that's

come from. but you can see it building the press to almost hysterical levels. and sport is not for it though we war politics but you can see it being used as a plea for football. now even if it's liberal police chief mark roberts warrant that lyle behavior of a minority of british fans and rush out what put all females at risk do you agree with this. not knowing the how awful the problem is the russian football hooligans as they perceive themselves adopted a model from the english show to guns but what's going on is entirely different in the fair way the russian who turns a different strain of football on its to the one night i hate and it states misunderstand the culture does it cause you problems like a citing them the majority in the frame bites is welcome and might have told much across the world because by spain's well i took the ball as drawing and i called

was little problems it's only the minority but the russian who didn't do not know who is or who didn't and it was a known who didn't amongst the english and would look at either mean resty or look at a wise interest in the hood and what's right even on the street that's what happened in the new hours which anger the loss of in the show you can miss that all of it if you're. a really. really angry but the russians are tight now move on and suppose. a russian who is on the site we fought with. on the sign is what is a. repetition of english is actually. going to find its way out into the us well the very much. and that. all right cass we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking with cass palin

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the. war against freedom of speech continues in you guessed it r.t. again is being targeted also has russia given up on trying and will anything stop the leaks in washington. now we're back with cast panel and author of numerous books on but paul villepin is i'm a former member of the hill again for him talking about causes and the consequences of organized football violence welcome back asked now whenever a fight between hooligans from different countries break out it immediately becomes

infused with politics why does it sometimes become less of a problem and instead of a source of national pride i mean english fans are better than they were russian or a vice versa. so. it's different to any other small. audience participation. actually if can affect me going you know that i don't know any other sport where the audience can actually be part of the playas you know he watched her niece slow f one. but you watch football and the atmosphere in the ground can affect the guy you can see plies one phone star you can see the motions of pliers the guy between applies and the crowd there's no office spall way out the crank can actually influence the guy and create an atmosphere from nothing is very powerful no focal finds that involving on its side it's better sex and actually size it's

a drug and if you frank about every addiction in noise there's way you hate all someone professes expostulating you not. even violence and anger is all treated but in but no one treats a football hood at all no a lot of good it has become addicted to something as a now we know when guys doctors managers teachers that might seem very difficult to understand for audience and judge people because they're not given ample freddoso will suppose you look at a football stadium site fifty thousand frames in sight so hunter the dickens of causing problems with flares a lot not the other. fifty thousand frames do not get these if these friends out i slay them as friends but friends that going to fall is not something to fight with the but a signed on the record on his friends would have made a case that cohen actually point these guys this monstrous but if you look at it by

jobs and what i do in los feliz on merit and if they were at heart of education i don't buy into russian universities and it's very similar to the gangs in england that only make the leaders thugs that involved in the become wildlife are the very inside engine goers so football from what you're saying is in particular. always have been a way to represent class to reinforce what you are like the catholics are waiting for celtic and the protests and for rangers and scotland later barcelona fans waving catalan flags that matches like the london where i will raise you were a part of in you know all this up but do you think the well is maybe taken too seriously i mean i mean it's just a game after all. no

football is more than a guy for boys more than a guy there and that's why it's different to other sports yes you want and what you sign if you applies to other sports you go to be and that's fine enjoy that's like an interest and. what's that sport and then you leave. but with football people if that this is a challenge for the guys in the audience in a group of their choosing to be winners to. not fit in society and martin is all. gone it's the stuff not i but as i say it is more than just two hours that assignment would have gone for much of a fight somebody is going is that revolve at the front so here at the hall cole over. live live live that won't. he doubt the right thing to say is that politics has no place in sports but the two have really been fused together forever how can you make international teams compete and pretend this isn't about

politics at all can you add her take politics out of the equation and disentangle sports and politics yeah it will happen in england politics for one spell all of the cole in my lifetime try to involve them in so it says and it is for white goods british national party movement british. and the national front within a couple of years that was driven out of the stadiums in the terraces the influence of politics but then come from establishment they come from want finke in the photo is actually come from the fans themselves the friends themselves they saw enough snuff and drugged out the slime for you happen to stain we for move on and see calm if the fans actually want to commit move on it's they will want a big crowd to calm actually stop it you can enforce the law but you can't stop the will with the frames from happening but off the horse so the english clubs

a lot of friends themselves said enough is enough they placed themselves by slowly and moved on to something else so there's always hope. there's a will there's always hope lot of thomas eric's handle them now is that some of the money to well complements with a major project to trouble is not happened because the why they've been the placed you know the tree the one the big frames that a lot of people miss with the focal plane. is the word respect it's always where the place in a folder is a choice the frames with respect in code from way and i study how that bus to the ground how they create. when they join can in the square as helped. is how you are still slowly spreading you know about football violence could also be seen as a way of letting off steam and now there's even been calls for making an organized show what rules control may and she's basically attorney from a street brawl to

a mass u. of c. five what is it about that. i miss and miss on the stand the football who don't show the side arm because over that several times over the years and actually. i don't focus but since that happens it becomes mind story home fraying with the football for his authentic they know we don't know mike's the world. when i look at the studied ios a saw in mike's the votes from when they're in the groups in the study i'm going by the what was themselves. a stat for you to my space by you know russian football fans they rave english book some hole of an ism they watch movies you're one of the people that's inspired the hogan movement in russia in the first place with your works for instance what do you make of that i mean is the hooliganism depicted in books and movies more glamorous than in reality i mean does it create a sort of false attraction to the phenomena. when it comes to the films when i was

a film might have my life my life was my to film a lot of people one happy about i want frank to society but when i watch the film and see there's a different story of a real person and there's a lot of having good news going you know what with the problems with football vata is screwy it's a gray area and society as an infant blackcomb what we call an eye to eye as we go i don't suffer a thing sometimes there's no there's no i won't say it is what it needs and. you know what kind of sight when when a. lost soldiers are almost a lot more history of our favorite subject and the soldiers would never talk about their experiences in a war in our sights and what is the best war film and i signed none you know and what once said to me once is no shrimping if you will cause and the football films and books only come in the fountain it's a light from moments

a modern die from the moment and the reason that they're in so well is because people know it's not real people were born of books are not of the holy ghost these people were not all that life whatsoever and society fame when you go into a book shop and buy books on crime you're not going to go hungry that book and gone rob a bank and it's a sign thing you can't just walk into a gang because you watch the film that's why i say it in those that's what war swore by and so when i met the losses it was a shock to me when i sate by all the influence part of books and the film was it was a total shock of a lot to look at they put a look at a culture and look that i would just see spirit saying what the west of a for many years from the fifty's which is their life group was a twenty four so the place it's a night is. and with the for the soviet union it wasn't conscripts on board has gone from universities to job sites killing so on before i played the mains gun i

was single so i had money sponsibility family was. the last social included so ground that you can on solo wall seems to tie in with a promise of focusing on it's not really an english one but it's what we are going to sell isn't i and it's the russians say we've given the world with but that adoption you know you've got to look at the fright was beyond what you see but nowadays the russian football union came up with this thing called gentle play and initiative jaring a series of football matches in the run up to the twenty eight in world cup you know supporters a rival teams who are welcomed by russian fans with a warm blanket versus manchester united excited do you think we should haves like this really help decrease to level of tension at tournaments or is this too toothless. who goes themselves who probably lost but you don't want. friends that go to these told me friends who won't commit of send night with

a man you know even the vosh something and all three is positive and one was say the phrase themselves can the law to solve a lot of problems in art and one of the phrases in england it's not comin out to be a football hooligan so the majority of friends i love who was just by you see stop the violence and become a frame you go for. the problems of football no one was born to. you know those those friends first then become hookers in just as easy got but the pain friends and this is the flights what's going on it shows that twenty eight shows was set the one word we spake it's the law fines that travel to those toll him and save up for four years on i'm sorry about the loss of a lot of money to go to torment and buy sight evolved out installments and everyone's treated as a hoodie and want to trade with no he spate so when russians fight is initiatives law it with groups trying to engage their friends and be friendly and show defiance

respect it creates a different atmosphere and it spreads when the place use force and it's not justified as you know all the force that is used is all over the over just the fight. the normal findings for instance would occur to them because life in the themselves and creates an atmosphere of any sort of police have to because the whole quiet for. the act is frail and this what sometimes causes the problem so i. thought i lost sight friends can always the work respect and what you are telling me and what. you know. if we respect the most mature finds. themselves i have another agenda but if they're all a slight lot i. consigned it with you know i'm quite sure the washrooms with the law being the state of most well before but was kicked in the cup and so

are you. all right cass thanks for this interview for this interesting insight into the world of hogan is. the bass we're talking to cast tennant off there a former football hooligan and taking him to the major a while and football and the dangers it may pose to had a football's biggest tournaments that's it for this edition of c.n.n. time. thank you sir thanks. to figure. in the.

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manufactured consent to stick to the public well. when the writing closest to protect themselves. in the final. week in the middle of the room sick. you know provision on my back when i wanted to. ask but i. owe. you for your height oh i lost his boss because i just got. any. better but i don't mean. showing off as you know you're not. you know just i mean most people have respect.

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