you don't get off on getting with us but those were the oath they speeded to sound . one of these but i was listening to this by this part of the. my family fussy you could a car bomb i just don't think that already yes it will be and he thought of nothing of it but i think with you you seem to mean to carry out my thought aloud. i am i gather this is the kaiser in one of the themes explore on the show often as the crimes of wall street repeat themselves under different names now going to talk to you about the clatter was debt obligations remember those c.d.o. those while they've been reinvented as the same scam but they've got a new name we're going to talk about that in a moment but first late breaking knows about some german woman stacey i want to

show you this headline which is just remarkable how empires and they choose to just shoot themselves in the head they're like. they're threatening the rest of the world but actually they're holding a gun to the head if if you don't know by obey by ass we're going to kill ourselves germany threatens retaliation if u.s. sanctions harm their firms merkel is threatening retaliation against the united states for their russia sanctions they the u.s. congress you know the both the senate and the house of representatives voted overwhelmingly for this bill to sanction russia but now it looks like the u.s. might be sanctioned by germany oh well that is exactly what i said for the past two years while america heats up this and russia rhetoric and increases the sanctions they're pushing germany a key ally nato into the arms of russia now america is fighting germany russia and china in a trade war in

a world war in atomic war who knows where this is going but imagine you've got the u.s. and the briggs or the u.k. on one side versus germany russia and china on the other side i wonder how that's going to go all the explanations of a forest service is where it was creditor china america's biggest exporters china and germany plus throw russia in there as the biggest you know atomic weaponry that sounds like a formidable proposition but you know maybe maybe. the butterflies know the snowflakes the social justice warriors the transgender bathroom fellows and peoples and whatever will be up for this fight anyway let's turn to some stories that are also in the headlines in the financial news and while we were gone of course the f.c.c. came out with a report about you know these i c o z's initial coin offerings in particular they mentioned the dow which is one of the earth with the first smart contract the first i.c.a.o. essentially on the theory in block chain that all collapsed when

a hacker stole some coins and that resulted in the split in theory i'm exactly a year ago so you know that was. said that is a security and they're going to regulate it so the f.c.c. is crucial to the next story about regulating and these threats of regulation because the sequel to the global financial crisis is here this is in the financial times and they say the central coper at this time is a collateralized loan obligation like its earlier esoteric cousins a c l o bundles risky low grade loans into attractive packages and high credit ratings and may there were two deals of more than a billion dollars each and experts estimate that seventy five billion dollars worth are coming this year alone ontario's capital recently closed a two point one billion dollars c l o the largest in the u.s. since two thousand and six and the third largest and history although most of the loans underlying these deals are of

a quote junk status more than half the new debt is rated triple a sound familiar max yeah well it's reversed drug dealing you know typically if there are drug dealer you cut your drug with like you know baby powder or something a baby laxative a new extended your drugs do so more of your drugs here you start off with a really horrible collateralized loan obligations that are junk that are toxic financial instruments. you reversed cut you put in some aaa rated government bonds to give it a higher content and so that is the same story from ten fifteen years ago and then the ongoing story that here have a group of charlatans on wall street and around the world that are pushing onto the investment public securities that are not going to last and it will cause horrific pain but and then will buy the central banks that keep interest rates low so the cost of fraud is always going down and as i've said before the show if you want to

stop financial fraudsters on wall street and around the world you need to raise the cost of fraud the know if you're trying to stop gun crime for example raise the cost of guns if you're trying to raise a stop fraud on wall street raise the cost of fraud the interest rates of got to go up to make fraud less appealing for fraudsters until that happens we're just going to have more as i'm so going back max to those c.d.o. as the cloud arise that obligations back in two thousand and six seven eight those were mostly backed by mortgage backed securities that were sold to pension funds they blew up and the whole system collapsed so this time they're saying that during the early two thousand and similar highly rated deals called collateralized debt obligations were popular first they seemed harmless or at least not so big that there collapse could cause financial contagion but when regulators ignored their growth they became more opaque and more profitable with credit ratings disconnected from reality like cracks in the buildings foundation the risky minor at first the

high ratings hid the instability of the entire structure until it was too late of course back then what happened we had new legislation more legislation for the american people because they pretended that it wasn't illegal to sell these fraudulent sacks of as goldman sachs called it as they were dumping it into pension funds no they said that was not illegal so we'll make this a legal doubt should they ever do this again it will be illegal and they called. the new law dodd frank dodd frank was supposed to stop these credit rating ploys but the securities and exchange commission has permitted the agencies to dodge that law while dodd frank imposed liability on the agencies for false ratings the f.c.c. exempted them likewise congress barred the agencies from getting inside information about issuers they rate but the f.c.c. permitted that too as c o's grow the cracks are spreading again so as are saying

just seventy five billion dollars worth of these c l o deals coming up this year those are being dumped into pension funds the article points out later seventy five billion and yet there's just been one billion and initial question offerings in the crypto space and the f.c.c. is we've got to protect people about this and we're going to crack down and we're going to make an example here to throw some of these people in jail. yeah the f.c.c. is a protectionist racket they protect fraudsters that's as we documented on the show for years and has been documented around the world there's no put occasion about it there. in this fraud and the size of the deals are now getting to the point where it will capsize the global economy once again and the pension funds of course are were people go to dump their toxic debt and those people's retirements will be obliterated and they're already quite harmed through low interest rates that enable

the packaging of these things you know i talk about how when i started on wall street the early one nine hundred eighty s. there was a lot of behavior that was dubious that was on the line or crossing the line of what's legal and not legal and as i've pointed out what regulators did was that they changed the law to make what was illegal legal this is another variation on the c b o crisis which is a variation on the same things a loan crisis is the same crisis is the same scam it's packaged. junk given an a rating sell to a pension account this is the third or fourth generation people meanwhile the wages are stagnant the economy is being undercut the chinese germans and russians are taking over and americans are sitting there with their foam up their is venturing watching politicians in washington who are in the pocket of these regulators and the result is catastrophic of course we all went to the voting booth in two thousand and eight and we're like obama says hope and change and he's going to

change is an approach these people and tell him we keep on going to the voting booth and say yes we're going to elect politicians that will do something about and of course they did something about that they introduced the doc frank because we're never going to let this happen to you again but these are elected regulators at the f.c.c. say we're going to donor who have just exempt it so anybody who might be out there ordinary americans who want to create a bank to compete with these horrible banks they're all they'll have to abide by those rules they can't cheat so of course they can't compete with you because you can just cheat and defraud many small banks across america have gone out of business because of dodd frank because of the regulations and dodd frank that the big banks are being exempt from actually having to abide by them on top of that they mentioned that last christmas eve the so-called risk retention rule of the dot frank took effect requiring that a rangers of these complex deals keep a slice of the downside but clever find answers arrange for third parties to take on this risk and that risk the club or the third party that has taken on the risk.

it's you it's me it's all of us it's the pension funds for it once again let us review some key points here how billionaires become billionaires in america for the most part is by taking the risk of engaging in this fraudulent system and putting it on to somebody else's shoulders you take ever since the nineteen eighties when you have options market begin trading formally it's impossible to trade risk separately from reward this is a been separated using mathematics and that risk once it gets cleaved off from the headphone or private equity group or warren buffett it's then dumped into the public domain as toxic securities and it pollutes the public domain in the form of an economy that's not competitive lost wages and busts of pension accounts it's not by accident it's not from failed economics it's not from poor policy choices it's

from fraud and i would posit financial terrorism as i've said many times before in the penalty should be death and ok and so you know last time what they did is they had packaged up all these mortgages that were given to people out with so-called liar loans remember the banks they couldn't have possibly known these were liar loans it was those fraudulence horrible americans those tens of millions with those underwater mortgages they're the ones that defrauded these poor bankers right so this time again there are already setting it up that you chump americans you with those pension funds it's your fault and the reason why it's your fault is because you need yielding you're chasing yields some experts say this time it is different earlier this month. a managing director of madison capital funding a subsidiary of new york life told a roundtable of c o experts they should not worry about defaults and twenty

seventeen quotes the appetite for at. assets is for rove shifts he said pension funds insurance companies and university endowments are demanding both safety and high returns c l o's seem to offer both he says right that's the rhetoric of. ideologues like jim jones drink the kool-aid as cyanide it'll kill you but you're thirsty right now i mention a penalty before you see him do pooh pooh it but if you don't have a deterrent and right now there is not a term for fraud well they could put the bank out of business they could kill the bank but they don't you know that the banks know that they will not be put out of business like the wells fargo a serial fraudster a good cop this week again call this way you need a deterrent and i'll and losing one's life i think is an adequate deterrent for a while fargo and the c.e.o. well we got it we got to go the second half we could debate this in the comments if you want i'd like to see the blood spilt state over the second half i'll go away.

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welcome back to the kaiser report time now to turn to michael hudson author of many books including the classic killing the host michael welcome back. it's good to be back next all right first i want to talk about your recent post on your site michael dash hudson dot com the post is call dads many proverbs he has some of these in prison why was your dad in prison who sent them there this is a story we haven't heard what's going on here michael well i grew up in minneapolis which was the only city in the world where being a trotskyist was a pure advancement us ability and my father was a labor leader one of the minneapolis seventeen cents on under the smith act the day before pearl harbor. essentially the democratic party wanted to turn the teamsters union who's center was in minneapolis or to the mosque who

promised support of the democratic party and they really were terrified that the profits in minneapolis were going to take over the labor movement and the stalinist so also were buying against the threats because they were the death penalty for this method that ultimately was used against the. communist party itself and so the attorney general bill framed up across the ists for advocating the overthrow of the government by force and violence the funny thing is having the books of marx and lenin on your bookshelf. and what my partner and his colleagues have done was call in the national guard protect this breaking workers from the minneapolis police that were working for the local corporate gangs and walgreens at the

other local users of the things there is and there was a general strike and a minneapolis and one thirty four that was one of the high points american labor history my father was right at the middle of it so he was sent to jail. well you know the trotskyist and mostly federal penitentiary not local so federals where you want to be because i don't criminals they were mostly joe who was witnesses who were conscientious objectors during world war two and my father and others his colleagues recruited the mole in the drugs because party and my father were in the library and compiled out this group of our robber he also compiled a list of everything lenin and trotsky had written on our various topics but somehow that got lost in no one of their moves yeah this is incredible history i encourage everyone to take a look at it you know when i'm listening to you there i had a thought i want to ask you more philosophically the labor movement in america any

workers' movement of course has had trouble of gaining agency in this capitalist economy in this capitalist world and they also are constantly fending off entreaties from organized crime as well as corporations that seem to be more more often than not what the government. oh how come labor are a left wing has never really come up where an adequate way to fight capitalism i understand obviously wef the communist manifesto and the works of marx there is a critique of capitalism but i start necessarily a road map of here's how you create a parallel system as far as i can tell but can you comment on that or maybe my question is just completely off base well this is exactly what the trustee s. were trying to do in minneapolis my father under his party name of jack ranger

wrote next a labor party when he pointed out the impossibility of the labor movement trying to work within the democratic party it was basically a link between wall street and the mafia in the corporate sector he said they need their own ari and the government systematically not only in the smith act but later through the of united's cointelpro tried to move against any kind of an activist in the labor movement tried to be really independent either of the mafia controlled unions as bob finch wrote a whole book on on unfair or independent of democratic party so you ended up having the a.f.l. c.e.o. affectionately call that f.l. ca becoming the main advocates of the war in vietnam. war against socialism in latin america you had to leave your union leadership moved to

the right with the government moving to remove the get rid of any labor union leader who didn't make a fatal deal with the best interests to prevent a real labor party so now you're through up to ninety if these nineteen sixties the whole argument was over what is it that makes the labor movement think that as they were. within the democratic party and finally now that we see a fight between bernie and every now we see that in that they open the impossibility of the democratic party really representing the interests of labor or even of industry and i look back to the one nine hundred seventy s. where you had a bear market on wall street stocks suffer terribly but wages went up because they were tagged to inflation and america's wage earners actually that was a golden era at the nine hundred seventy z. if you work out a car wash you can still afford

a home and you have some financial independence so shouldn't those seeking greater parity of agency in this economy want to see the stock market crash want to see interest rates go up to help the stock market crash and walk in the not cheerleading for a crash in the market because this will never wall street suffers labor benefits that's been the dynamic going back decades i feel they're not being told this i think there's a disconnect between the stock market in the rest of the economy so the stock market going up and down there isn't really have anything to do with the conditions of labor or why labor is not increasing it's so wages we've discussed before in this show greenspan theory of why leaders not increasing its wages and it's because of that the workers can't afford to go on strike if they don't have enough savings and their one paycheck away from missing a credit card payment or a mortgage payment that's really the problem the stock market is going up for

completely different reasons that have very little to do with the economy at large it's all really financial engineering not industrial engineering or not really something social at all right way bring up an interesting point there about debt so an average worker would go into debt to buy a wasting asset like a house or a car or as a wall street financier will go into debt. to buy him a degree jani a picasso a chateau in switzerland things that go up in value so they're getting a leverage on their debt and the average worker is getting hammered by their debt and this interest rate apartheid is where we see the enormous cleave in american society michel well the workers didn't think of their houses being a wasting asset for fifty years after world war two houses were going up in price and the rising price of housing is what created the middle class in america all have came to an end and what the stock market managers are but i'm really not

buying some of the you know he says are up junk are like and in worlds they're buying their own stock corporate stop buybacks what you're seeing now is the stock market becoming part of the d.m. bust realization process instead of being a leading indicator which the national bureau of economic research used to call it is a reverse indicator of the economy this is not markets going up mainly because companies are buying back their own stock and they want their earnings and dividends instead of investing to increase output instead of hiring labor they're downsizing and were at the cannibalization and the looting states of american finance capitalism and the corporations have realized the game's over ok so there's some talk in washington now about helping like amazon and google and apple all violating antitrust laws getting to pay becoming furnish us pervasive monopolists is this

going anywhere is it just claptrap or are we actually going to see some reform here while the whole economy is becoming a runty economy the what you're seeing is not only amazon and the other companies and information technology you're having a vote for companies in every sector whether it's for airlines for the for biggest banks or the four big. he companies the roman operates and what they're really getting is not profits and production but economic monopoly rents and the whole economy is now being built to room extract the monopoly rents whatever they can charge and in order to do that the corporations that have to take over the government and disable the antitrust agencies disable the treasury department disable almost every. every part of government and that's what we're having we're having a takeover that's not military but if a financial takeover that is turning the economy away from

a profit and wage economy into a rent expression economy let's talk about banks for a second so wells fargo of course the recently was caught stealing money from millions of customers they have now been caught in several other scams insurance scams there's no deterrent there's no penalties i've made the point that sense my days on wall street the things that were considered illegal in the eighty's have been made illegal so the message that these frauds communicate to washington is change the laws to make what the illegal activities that we're doing now legal so we can do them again but much bigger michel you don't have to change the law mix all you have to do is not apply remember what donald trump said his secret of getting rich it's not the law isn't the important thing the judges are the important things and what he realized in government is that if he can do what obama did and put people in the justice department and the treasury department that

refused to apply the law the law doesn't matter you have the do nothing. obama was the one who really showed all of this appointing the attorney general who refused to prosecute and the federal reserve refused to apply the laws and the f.c.c. that is the punish companies for on you know right down the line. you're having a century late crooked judges put in charge of every the argument of government and that's the genius of this it all without changing the law at all you don't have to even do this i hope eric holder as a billion dollars scorer all the way somewhere because he certainly was complicit in fraud that covered many many billions of dollars hundreds of billions of dollars if he didn't not only is he corrupt but he is a moron which i have a staunch especially if that's the case i mentioned donald trump there let's talk about america and trump nomics is there such

a thing as trump and omics you touched on it briefly what's the current state well if there is such a thing is true nobody know what it means up because he keeps changed it's not ideas he hasn't given any economic speech spelling it out basically economics is financialization it means turn over the economy but industry lobby so it's government by lobbyists in their self-interest but in the class war back in business and that's what we're seeing the class war is back in business with a vengeance like hasn't been in any time in my life or i speak in a class war this obamacare is remarkable because we're paying two thousand dollars a month and all day long we look at people that pay nothing per month so how is that not class war how is that not enough festering and fostering you know uprisings of the straight the middle class war does not involve employing labors like that used it in both financial class war financial war in slaver by debt

peonage medical care and by squeezing them for rent all right fair enough michael hudson thanks so much for being on the kaiser report thanks a lot and i was going to focus on the kaiser part of the mask as are states here but i think our guest dr michael hudson racist on twitter cause reports like signed by a. social environment. right now with. chemical discoveries over the last century made every day life easier but at what cost this is cereal is exceptionally sick. no wonder it's confidential. says sister years old industrial giants reap the benefit ignoring the caused by chemical production. you know as if

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