ns of mass destruction against hundreds of thousands of civilians in nagasaki and japan arguing not to end world war two but to raise the threat of cold war armageddon coming up with the big issue as the monument to what's territory in the poorest communities and one of the richest areas on earth continues to cast a shadow across the british imagination we speak to the founder of the magazine of the homeless about called mosques and a national poverty prevention unit and. just what was going on in the media. the conservatives were. watching policy to speak and saw the council to pop into my head st are just the awful daughter gives face to face interview going on the ground from the headlines claims and counterclaims in caracas and how the n.h.s. is privatizing. all the civil coming up in today's going underground so the lives of hundreds of thousands of british children in tory britain are apparently under

threat according to anti-poverty charity the trussell trust as u.k. children lose access to free school meals during the summer holidays years of blairite labor and tory austerity have been put into sharp relief in one of the richest countries in the world meanwhile record rises in homelessness have accompanied the transfer of wealth from social services to defacto taxpayer benefits for the city of london some believe that all it would have taken for engineer liberal leader jeremy corbyn to be prime minister of britain right now instead of theresa may propped up by a party linked to far right paramilitaries would have been of the lethal grenfell tower inferno had happened before and not after june's u.k. general election joining me now is the founder of the big issue crossbenchers lord bird who is proposing the creation of a new body to curb the excesses of capitalism on but welcome back to going underground so what's government's response to your proposal for a poverty prevention unit well when i spoke to her previous to the election just

before a few days before she announced it. she liked the idea of looking at this how you could make all departments. parse through the prism of how does this relate to prevention she like the idea of it are made the point to save i'm making it the most units never really car it's so there bureaucratic and i mean there's a squad of form filling in and all that and we know damn well that every every government minister in their department a. lawyer you know chasing the greyhound chasing the rabbit of their department and then you know in the slightest bit interested in working across party and across government so you really got to get these people and banging their heads together that's why you need a union but when you as a crossbenchers work in the lords baronets busk d.w.b. and states in employment is at an all time high in rejecting your proposal it

sounded to me like in the house of lords so poverty prevention unit at a time when we've never had it so good when it comes to employment. well it seems to be the what do you make of a response as long as the government well i you know you know people have to make responses you then have to move on and do what i'm carrying on with the concept of what i'm calling a prevention alliance which is across both houses across all parties and i'm trying to get the government to turn that into a unit so there is measurable and the heads are not together what did you recall vince people say and well john mcdonald also just previous to the deputy just previous to the elections said if you're going to see to raise or this is well before you know if you got to see teresa tell her that we are up for working in

a nonpartisan way around dismantling poverty you see the the problem is about seventy percent of all the efforts the government of the both houses are round poverty and its effects so we're always dealing with this even if we're dealing with the environment we're dealing with all sorts of things i'm poverty is there will over the place so poverty is to every radical poverty were almost talking about creating a day of small government a day of a small national health service a day of a vigorous education system only things that if we dismantle poverty so john might don't and to raise them i and other people realize that the writing is on the wall we can't just keep trying to give the poor a little bit of a bit of better conditions my argument and it is maybe because i'm a marxist catholic so on the bit weird there my argument is that we have these

people who victims and we have these people call rescuers and they the never the twain shall me there's only weighs a lot of people doing a lot of good for the victims but i know. never get them out the victim ship or even if it is a good thing that's that's arguable when one could say because surely the forces of capital have found a way to solve the situation i mean i know the shelter which runs ran into a few personal problems of the greenville tower it's a direct skipping over that they're saying one million risk homelessness in the next two and a half years private renters at the moment but haven't the voices of capital. social cleansing move all these people out of the big cities of the composition or the then what happens is you move the more you move into something something like grand will happens and instead of having to spend say a pack a pound on a problem you have to spend a thousand and what's happened with grumble is it's alerted people to the fact that

we have been getting increasingly we're moving further and further away from the concept of social housing and with that where we're allowing borrowers like kensington and chelsea who have a real problem their big problem is how does a posse borrow with a shed load of money on a log bridge people how can that how how can they relate to a very very poor part of the borrower where you've got people who are destitute as anywhere else in the u.k. it's very very difficult who has learnt to you know see the pasha off and make sure they get older they want you know paying their rates and at the same time help people who are absolutely desperate it's almost like asking people to be schizophrenia you know the two opposites and that is why that is why we need we don't need to believing we carlene poverty to local authorities we have to have

a almost a kind of minister of poverty a minister who looks after who runs of the poverty unit who runs the prevention unit and is in a in a way struggling to come. find a balance all of this and bringing people into the fray rather than just leaving it to kensington chelsea or westminster what's been starts some of the poorest people this isn't tower hamlets this isn't you know this isn't you know south sheffield is a mill and i should say labor councils arguably do the same as the library. unisa pool you missed municipal socialism is as guilty as municipal conservatism in this area the most revolutionary idea arguably you've come up with and i'm surprised that you know whether you thought you were going to get it through the private member's bill given the property is the bedrock of capitalism you wanted to treat private rent is the same way. young. people getting moved is due

yeah there is only about the private member's bill because it seems pretty fundamental what happens to it and what is it it's a it's a private member's bill it's had its first reading it's number thirteen in the list certain it will at some stage get a second reading but that might take a year or two so i'm trying to just tell me what i'm trying to push it forward the idea here is that what you do is if you got a mortgage tomorrow and a year later your credit rating you're great rating will go up the more you pay your mortgage if if i am living in rented accommodation a brain that pretend is that the people who decide your credit rating say i'm sorry you're in rented accommodation so what you've got is you've got to go i mean it's them an ass over credit rating now the problem is if you've got a load credit rating that means you've got to pay more for your credit whether it's by getting into a mortgage whether aspiring white goods whether it's going on

a holiday whether it's buying school uniform for the children so what's happens is you're paying more so the poorer you are the more you're playing because even though you're paying the rent and the council tax so what we're doing is we're saying no no no you've got to change it so the big issue invest which is a part of the big issue has over the last three years lifted quite you know i think in the region of over a million people working with experian good capitalist country company we working with them and we've helped to raise people's credit rating eighty percent of the people we work with so we're talking about over a million people who are paying less for their credit which means to say that they're not being penalized simply because they are buying words whether any thing good could have come out of the original atrocity in kensington and chelsea i mean we talked about. increases in homelessness i think the ninety seven percent down in

terms of social housing says david cameron to theresa may want to government do you think the way they're reporting the aftermath of grandville the faces of mainstream media they actually look frightened as if they suddenly realise the kinds of issues you've been talking about for two three decades maybe. but i do i do think as a kind of bit of the writing on the wall i think we're all a bit cheesed off with the way that we're treating the poorest the most needy the way that i need power as they always move their poor into the same area so for instance you could be bringing up your children you could be having a very very hard life you could be on a minimum paid work it and they'll move you into social housing where you've got other people who are very very similar so in a way it kind of depresses everybody or i'm talking about and i've been advocating is that we don't need more social housing what we need is more social housing and sociable housing is where you and i on of the people in our children and

grandchildren wherever one of us we will mix in together so there isn't a gated communities i think gated communities are a killer for the people who live in them because it turns them into zombies social zombies and it also turns pit it kind of is them and us so i have been talking about sociable housing. rather than just social housing and that is where you mix it up it used to be mixed in other areas other times where i lived in a slummy part of notting hill after the second world war there were people who were there was slums here and then there were other people right now there's this kind of cleansing notting hill is is a new kind of slum it's a really really posh john but lord but thank you after the break it's all vandalism we speak to the artful dodger about using spray paint to fight against police brutality tourism may and social cleansing and from the headlines will be

finding out who is striking at the heart of the health service and taking a cheeky peek at some poverty form goal the ball coming to him going underground. the boy. the boy. seemed wrong. just don't. get to shape our. culture. and engage with equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

oh there are already i mean right there at that one employee. welcome back with me now is broadcaster and former liberal democrat member of parliament member to pick them bit before we go into your real newspaper stories i noticed a lot of interest in this country about the diana story in the daily mirror saying

british police told me princess diana was murdered death quest drivers dead game son was collateral damage and ploy what do you make of all that you see the documentary it continues to be the conspiracy theory of the day it's been going on for twenty years now frankly somebody saying i was told that princess diana was murdered isn't really proof is it i mean ok maybe maybe she was maybe she wasn't but on the balance of evidence is that the main thing you got to talk about she died it was tragic the princes of chad their hearts which is far more interesting let's get on with the news this is from global research yes global star says u.s. has budgeted forty nine million dollars for venezuelan right wing since two thousand and nine it's not that much in the area of caracas maybe maybe where you come from i think it's quite a lot because these are the people who are complaining about president maduro and suggesting that he's not up to the job you've probably seen in the western media a lot of complaints about madeira saying that it's corrupt saying that it's

becoming a despot and the americans quite keen to stir it up none of this money is to help stability in venezuela. it's to help the pastors democratically elected just in this month but i mean is it all grossly that important to me corbin says for instance that we must condemn violence on both sides presumably a bit like apartheid south africa nelson mandela a violent terrorist you must get versus a violent apartheid racist government you should just be ignorant of are you really stretching it here cobain is being under fire because he won't condemn the democratically elected president of venezuela really i've been to venezuela lots of problems there but in reality copenhagen said anything wrong it's just another chance to have a pop at the end because the people who don't like him don't like the fact he supports madeira oh and that's probably all of the americans and anybody else is too lazy to see what he's really done and at the same time if washington really wants to create another syria in venezuela i still live there actually hundreds of

thousands dead in venezuela is that what washington wants it might be the price worth paying for far more oil reserves than even in iraq let's put it out there ok meanwhile back here them mainstream media not as interested in this story as they are in venezuela for some reason there's going to morningstar this is about industrial unrest the more us morningstar says nurses scrap the wage cap all well strike the stock planes probably correctly that there is a risk of having a strike as a result of the problems in the health service alleging the royal college of nurses and that's a fairly reliable source so you would say well movie stars found to be trying to stir it up and on this occasion they are saying that john a davis is warning the chancellor of the exchequer that if he doesn't pull its finger out and get decent wage rises then it's as still going to go wrong this on top of the fact that the n.h.s. can't currently recruit enough nurses that's tied into brac set and probably to do with poor wages too and lots of problems brewing of course he alleges paid for by

tax money hof the rate that other countries some other countries do g four s. results today though. billion in revenues why do these nurses who are on low pay get shares in g four s. who get the contracts despite being under it s f o serious for domestication the same to it's a brilliant idea actually let's not eat for four weeks and put all the money we save into the forests as how do you do next i didn't know jack shit before we go on to the next one i did notice this thing that someone was saying that they went to the n.h.s. for cancer care and was offered a leaflet on going private it's a little story it's a bit of a tragedy i suppose she's terminally ill i think school dolly show field and she got a letter advertising private cancer care now i think it's been big up a little bit in the press but it is insensitive and the fear is just outside the gates of the national health service all spittles the private sector is waiting to

costs and perhaps this is slightly incentive example of that private sector of to subsidise divided by the taxpayer through different tax concessions and the problem of private partnership which will be paying for for years ahead but don't get me going on that we come back that's all the time let's go to the guardian exciting competition that could solve all these problems instantly the guardian has uncovered this as if it wasn't tasteless enough already gets a house for free poverty porn at its most pernicious the man pictured here is called marco until innocent generous philanthropic with a very difficult upbringing he was poor himself what's interesting about this story is he's getting the poor the deserving poor to bid for a free house i'm sure it's bit i mean it's a channel full of bush the british t.v. station which is long been controversial and increasingly critics are they going to fight for this in a gladiatorial style way as a syrian refugee family a person with it's not exactly

a bloody mate is what you probably development is yes but the idea is he's actually quite empathic and said i'm still in the story of the actual program but apparently he comes across as. quite a good guy but as you say execute the refugees if they don't get the house what i mean you think it's a virtual execution if you're homeless then then there are actually cited personal ratings or go through the roof and not case but know they're not doing enough public perception of what public o.e. of greater faith than me the fact is that one of the families will win the house on the basis of whatever criteria marco's sets i just can't believe that they're going to have some of the poorest vulnerable people in society competing for a rich man's house could speak done tastefully that's accepted might be done tastefully it minds have a good social subtext but really what are we watching we're watching families competing to get out of at least one part of their poverty just maybe they'll be

talking about the extremes of wealth and poverty and in that sense the millionaire a poor man come good maybe has something useful to say so i don't knock it until i've seen it but i don't like the idea even you can beat yourself i do notice three families are made homeless is a statistic from a shelter in scotland so this is one family i think they get a place and that's only two made homeless so that's a better statistic that the current three made a homeless every hour because of austerity policies that were going after all of the u.k. now to be one slightly less bad day that's the good it like them bit opaque thank you. forty six years ago today britain's tory government sent the army into catholic homes across the six counties of northern ireland operation dimitrius conducted by m i five and the royal ulster constabulary would lead to thousands being forced from their homes and to mass and the catholic imprisonment without trial let alone torture as judged by

the european court of human rights and today even as britain's to resume holds on to power thanks to a billion pound payment to a party linked to partisan paramilitaries the legacy of u.k. repression lingers and all across the island violent murals remain a testament to the martyrs who died at the hands of british secret police and soldiers those murals inspire the artful dodger a london street artist to use his pieces to speak out against social injustice today deputy editor sebastian baca went to speak to him in south london we have covered the artist's face to hide his identity. oh in politics a voice when strange bedfellows i mean another of those people who say. celebrities and stay out of politics or social issues but i think if you have a talent and you have intelligence to use it in a way which i would have to be creative intelligence people would say that i'm taking sides but i don't see it that way i just think that the other side i'm

taking is one of the tricks. for me as with a lot of people i suppose politics is a dirty word some of the social commentary. that kind of was a seed was planted in the eighty's because. just. six i'd just on a. billboard i spray paint star which went up on billboards around the country and i had a next small community submission and

a gallery and nothing of. someone came down from a local newspaper off you know he wrote about the trial and of the end of it he kind of made a comment which was unexpected for me but i actually had a lot. where he talks about the political and ireland and also the history and he says seventy's over him britain who's saying that you've got a new generation of young artist common off who were obviously talented a lot of them but all they doing is watching their name was such a waste my ego kind of took a slot once again. but i actually want to want to throw all actually. why am i complaining he's right and i began to think. if we look at it from another angle a lot people appreciate my work at the time where young people as well as on the local community online and city housing estates stuff like that i think a sense of myself. how like a new generation of artists who are producing something for young people and

a style this time by young people want to use it while the news to a lot of wow names say something which young people who are concerned about a word about care about and we can actually use it as a way of speaking for ip is a no such unique in the with peers but on a wider level mother says are into street rising. began to think that actually the not show kind of light potentially politicians for the. in the media. continue. to speak and saw the council. pieces using the. easy. way. to look. at especially british politics. promises that he's making in the

face of the same old story and i think the british people should hang on to the. podium not just the press the press politicians. explaining why they do things that make decisions. politics and. everything is interconnected. a couple of pieces can see the american election one of them was. mainly because a lot people say was painting but it wasn't it was just a painting which was based on the. mrs robinson chewed. on america because it was almost like saying america is in darkness they need heroes they need light they need guidance so where have you gone you know this golden hero in america you know the world needs you know say wasn't

a trunk. piece it was basically. calling out saying that america needs heroes and the reality is they shouldn't keep looking to playschool leaders for that because trump is a bad candidate but then again so was clinton i think if you look at how political history how she was in bed with cope. rationed and also why don't people actually look at the stuff which was released by wiki leaks about clinton in the clinton campaign if you really want to look at the truth he sort of can it does i mean forget what russia was saying was reportedly saying or doing i mean but i think it's funny how the media got the public to focus on just a few things all trump sent this time so i think the candidate as controversial as it may seem clinton was worse than trump. he said a lot of the last stupid stuff but what she did was set by all

means necessary to stop the hypocrisy of what you call vandalism. because you're kind of thankless and i know that i'm for the thought because i'm not asking for this and i'm just going out there and i'm painting stuff which reports and people should think about because i'm not being paid to do it. the far off on my upright there's no compromise because when. you are beholden to the sponsors when you do things off your own back this issue of mccall just like the hot. dog of the finishing that film by getting together just about the impact all that's in the show we're back on saturday for a season finale with. these months of. legendary journalist and filmmaker john pilger buswell speak to wilson who stowed in the new film to see about another big issue climate change is being reviewed research confirms

a ninety five percent probability of a two degree centigrade rise in world temperature within around seventy years even touched by social media with you on saturday. the day of the death in a small room off the strand in london the socialist poet in visionary william blake . this is how. the economy is built around corporations corporations from washington to washington. down. to business how to run this country business if. you must it's not business as usual it's

business like it's never been done before. social environment you're right. chemical discoveries over the last century made every day life easier but at what cost this is serial is exceptionally sick. no wonder it's confidential. exists as the years old industrial giants reap the benefit. by chemical production. you know as if these people are people just experimental animals decades later the toxic environment continues to poison lives and we found these astronomically high levels of dioxin levels that my staff think maybe some of the highest levels ever found in the united states for almost thirty years this very serious problem had not actually been addressed what will that investigation into the chemical industry secrets

revealed in. this despicable. the earth. we all willingly accepted the risk of being shot wounded taken prisoner but noone signed up to be friggin poisoned by our own people that was nuclear biological and chemical products said do not truck tires all types of styrofoam polystyrene batteries trucks there was a complete denial i think at all levels of government that there was any connection between pits and what these brave soldiers were suffering from to compensate every soldier marine airman and sailor that was on the ground that are complaining about illnesses from their exposure from the berm pits would really literally send a be a pro and they don't want to pay it so the way to the decades

a lot of those soldiers will die in time and they won't have to pay to. get the. the movie is too long. delayed in. breaking news from paris a manhunt is underway. into a group of soldiers is injured several of them got a late start coming up. to. fewer e. president warns north korea of the consequences if it continues its nuclear threats against the united states. google's decision to sack an employee for criticizing its diversity policy of free speech but nonetheless he got a job offer from wiki leaks we'll tell you all about the. russian lawyer embroiled in the cold.