u.s. representative david jolly republican of florida he joins us from tampa james madison david are for our defense secretary one north korea of the destruction of its people donald trump talked about fire and fury and hell long leash like never before are we going to do here is shimon august what's happened what's going on. you know and those messages conflict with what our secretary of state rex tillerson has been trying to accomplish when he talks about a peaceful negotiation suggesting we don't want regime change. we know that the escalation with north korea has reached a point that no president has faced before yes they've had a nuclear program it's been the subject to framework talks since the ninety's but we have never faced a north korea with a nuclear military capability of reaching the united states and that's what donald trump faces the only military solution should we end up in that situation is shock

and awe where we saw like we saw in iraq which would really a blitter rate north korea and i think that would be the worse solution for the world which is why we do need to reach a peaceful solution but larry we can't overlook the fact that we also have a president that over six in ten americans don't trust who they don't find credible for decision making is like he's facing right now and that is the underlying anxiety that we face as a country we lack full confidence in our commander in chief to confront what is the threat of a madman now with nuclear weapons when you make fire and fury statement. you know i think those are the types of statements north korea needs to hear but they need to hear in private not in public because how do you escalate beyond that in the public dialogue essentially was an ultimatum similar to those that kim jong un has issued listen those are statements that are made in private as part of

diplomacy and we can't overlook also the fact the international community came together just in the last week a fifteen nothing vote at the united nations including russia and china to extract deep sanctions on north korea through their exports to hurt their g.d.p. by about a third so let's see if that can work but at the same time and this is very important listen we live in a world in. twenty seventeen where many of us have criticisms of the president myself included but we can't let those criticisms blind us of the fact that there is a madman in north korea with nuclear capabilities someone who taunts the free world with those nuclear capabilities someone who has killed his own family to maintain power in north korea and so while we might have questions about this president's fitness to face the threat the fact is the threat is real we cannot diminish the threat simply because of a lack of confidence in this president this is a war move question what is sure he bombs qualm. then north korea

no longer exists thirty days from now listen the only military option there is not a precision strike and the consequences are too great that a madman and kim jong un unleashes every weapon he can on the free world it hits japan hits south korea perhaps hits a u.s. territory certainly u.s. allies the only military option larry if you take shock and awe that we saw in the first iraq war were truly we just overwhelm them with force it would be that type of air assault on the north korean state if you will as well as ground troops and everything to completely demolished the regime and demolish north korea as we know it today it is not the option anybody wants but it is the only military option which is why the diplomatic option has to continue to be pursued we should let north korea know that we will respond militarily if we need to that's important we can do that through diplomatic channels but we need to bring together the better

angels of our world partners including at times russia and china to solve this diplomatically. goes the roads doesn't look like he's backing down from fire and fury. it does but listen this is a president who contradicts himself every other day and finds a way to reconcile within his own credibility as own head why he did it and in this case that would probably be good you know here's the real hard question the trump is unwilling to talk about but his advisors are telling him if you go a military route we know the only option is overwhelming force our commander in chief of pacific forces our general has said that's the only option the question then is what does china do what does russia do we know we have tense relations with each one of them frankly russia is part of an alliance with iran and syria and other forces that are adversary to u.s. interests the real hard question is if we were to go into north korea does the rest

of the world stay. down do they join us or do they confront us because that is where we get into an environment where nobody wants us to be so in this case do we have a president where we is the people have to hope that the people around him can influence him. this is a very sobering moment and again with all the criticisms of this president legitimate criticisms. i think we have to be very careful right now and not play loose with this issue we need to hope and pray that he is receiving the right advice and that he makes the right decisions i do think if you saw this president make a decision there really was risking great harm to the united states or great consequences the signal we would have would come from one of the generals who would likely stand down would resign or would refuse to execute orders that they thought were not in the best interests of our national security at that point then you are in an issue

of congress looking at how do we handle a president that perhaps is not fit to make these decisions there's no reason to think that today where we are today we hope and pray this president has the wisdom to make the right decisions with north korea would your vote republican stand up to him should be obvious that occur. i think you would see some listen you've already seen in the hours after his his fury comments you saw john mccain immediately say this doesn't help you did see taylor said try to back it down a little bit if you will and so i do thank you would see republicans reach for whatever levers they might have not all republicans we've seen a lot of republicans who don't have this the backbone to stand up to this president but in matters of national security i do think you would see some republicans confront them you would also see an escalation of the conversation the twenty fifth amendment that refers to whether or not a president can be removed for lack of fitness to perform his duties but again that

is very premature at this point and i think we need to recognize north korea as a threat it is a threat because of kevin john isn't being a madman with nuclear capabilities we need to recognize we have the finest military in the world and military officers that have been planning for this day for a generation long before president trump what we need to hope in this president is that he follows the wise counsel of the generals that he says he will listen to david always great talking with you thank you so much great to be with you thank you larry which is shift is the terrific american who starred in the long running aaron sorkin hit the west wing last time he was here he told me that his entrance into political activism is largely due to his role as toby ziegler in the west wing he's currently appearing in age rio's ballers that's in its third season and he will soon star in the good doctor which premiers on a.b.c.

next month and we'll talk about the h.b.o. and a.b.c. shows the first a little politics and a little worried about north korea. among many other things yeah. i'm worried about the. the nature of the way this president does business and and his lack of any clear path to solutions and to ameliorating. incendiary situations like this i mean to to come out and say we will bring down fire and fury like the world has never seen before. and it's just not the kind of talk that i think there's anybody any good if you were in august. well it reminds me of the history that i started when truman had a hold of the atomic bomb and became very cocky with it you know and and threatening the soviet union which kind of led to the civil to the cold war. you

know i think. there's so many different ways of trying to analyze who this president is from a child to to a megalomaniac to a despot to somebody who is grasping grabbing it kind of power he can get to someone with absolutely no ideology and therefore nothing to fall back on as problems arise and for him to to use that kind of language it feels childlike now we're going to the kid the nine year old who's got a new toy which is nuclear nuclear arsenal how do you hold on to the base. well he's doing it he's going the route i mean he's he has these rallies every so often and it. it's very much to me like well the the truth of it is that is that i think he knows there's no chance of a real action and i think he knows there's a very good chance of impeachment. and i think rallying the base is something that

actually scares me i think i think that i i don't know how. how possible this is but i think that he if he gets into trouble that rallying of the base that incendiary language that incitement of violence. might lead to some very tricky stuff if he in fact gets in trouble it doesn't seem well thought out right it's dated a moment i don't know if it's well thought out because if we go back to bad and you go back to these steven miller statements for many for many years previous about the destruction of the state and about taking apart the fundamental pillars of democracy like these guys want to do maybe it's all thought out i just don't know anymore i don't care i know that he's dangerous. i have questions about how how he won this election and i think we've got to be very very very careful with this guy

and. any possible ways that we can investigate into wrongdoing as we should we should pursue to the end to the to the nth degree you've been over why is this country so divided. ah it's always been divided it's just another sort of problems of democratic senators were friendly yeah they are biden and and the early days of mccain and back and goldwater and all that. boy it's a good question i don't i don't i don't know the answer i know that that that there was great resentment to the way that bill clinton was able to ascertain power by playing the game in a way i think that republicans used to play it by by getting into bed with certain elements whether it's wall street or others and that led to some deregulation so

that he could do some good things as well domestically. and i think there was great resentment to the fact that he did that so well and i think up structure isn't began under under clinton and then you know i don't i think when you have the two thousand election in florida and i don't know what the inside dope is on that but all i know is that. is that gore was declared the winner and then by some miracle. it all gets reversed and maybe the inside you know maybe democrats you know what really happened that led to opposition to bush which went overboard i don't know i don't really i don't know all i know is that. the west wing the t.v. show seem to be. a a a platform for what politics should be but house of cards is much more accurate.

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its maker. here's what people have been saying about rejected a night with you i suspect it is full on also felt that the only show i go out of my way to launch you know a lot of the really packs a punch to sleep yampa is the john oliver of hard to be america's doing the same we are apparently better than blue nothing's better and see people you never heard of love redacted tonight not the president of the world bank though terry until i met a seriously he sent us an e-mail. to. local blogs selling you on the idea that dropping bombs brings police to the chicken hawks forcing you to fight the battles that still. produce offspring to tell you that what we gossip the public lifestyle for the most important day. off

the bad guys and tell me you are not cool enough to buy their product. all the hawks that we along with our audience will watch. welcome back to politicking i'm with the emmy award winning actor richard schiff. me make me nervous just ribs is largely known for his role in west wing currently appearing in h.b.o.'s to reflect series ballers that's in its third year and he will soon star in the good doctor premier in september twenty fifth and u.s. news with us in march of two thousand and sixteen before the primers and i asked you for some predictions i'll remind me if i don't want to. his was what do you said then take a look it's trump versus clinton do you give trump a shot. i don't i think there's a number that's that's

a limit to how. to to how many people will go. and vote for trump i think that limit is like thirty six percent and it's arbitrary but i don't think it's going to pass thirty six percent all right richard close it out give me an opinion who will be the next president of the united states of america i'm going to i'm going to say bernie sanders. ok rigid i'm going to say bernie sanders and that was clearly wishful thinking to mrs but trump i don't think i missed i don't i don't write on traumas for senate i don't is it just that your side didn't show up you know bernie sanders people stay calm i mean i'm i still have big questions and i don't want to be accused of one of those people that that's whining about the election but. i just i just don't i find those numbers hard to hard to accept i find it hard to believe that the polling numbers are so wrong and wisconsin ohio pennsylvania north carolina and florida and

perfectly fine in massachusetts new york california and other states only the states he needed to win with the polling numbers wrong i think the point is that this russian thing might be real i. there's no doubt that the russian thing is real how how how much voter suppression was a factor or how if in fact their words you know they say there was no evidence of tampering of the actual nations of voting i know there are some computer scientists that found some disparities in certain areas that used electronic voting but can't prove it i witnessed voter suppression north carolina the saturday before the election where a good five six hundred people were turned away from early voting in a predominantly african-american area i was on that line with them so you know i still have i still have doubt exams with a one no. standards and they i think joe biden would have certainly

won and i think yeah i do think sanders would have one eye on that of campaigning for hillary. i certainly have a lot of respect for her but i i also think that she should not have run and especially with that much of a skeleton in her closet which was already out of her closet to run with that hanging over her had not resolving it early on i think was devastating was to go to becoming go what happened i'm going to read it. yeah maybe i will yeah. the trim white house mired in the soviet invest russian investigation do you believe. in your gut you think those clues. i mean i'm not a journalist you know and i'm not a politician so i i can have an opinion based on the knowledge that i do have without proof in my mind there's absolutely no doubt based on what i've seen and is

now there's absolutely no doubt. specially because trump accuse the other side of collusion way back when and that's the all this technique in the book if you're guilty of something blame the other side first and then and then it confuses the issue all right you were going on two shows right now ballers on h.b.o. wrong side wayne johnson and the good doctor which premieres on a.b.c. september twenty fifth ballers was renewed for a fourth season how do you explain is success. why having twenty johnson touches these days is as kind of golf he's a great guy he's such a great guy i have such a good time working with him he's hardworking but he's also just really a humble and and kind of fun guy you think he has political ambitions i still live i mean i have a duo i haven't asked him directly but i certainly read his stuff and saw the spoof

of it on ass and now. i think i think he's a syrian a serious enough guy to think about it so seriously and i think that he's his his likability is so incredibly high i don't know what his politics are. but i know as a good man. you're also starring in the good doctor that debuts september twenty fifth we'll show a clip in a minute break it down for us what is your role on the well to dr show. and i play . the president of the hospital. but who has taken on who was meant toward a young kid who has autism and that kid had shown potential because he had a great interest in medicine and becoming a surgeon and i mentored him through that process for the show begins with me fighting for him to get a position as a surgeon in the hospital let's watch a clip from the good doctor. i met sean murphy when he was fourteen years

old i was living in wyoming at the time he was and he still is an extraordinary young man yes he is autistic yes he has autism but he also has sat on syndrome genius level skills in several areas he has almost perfect recall he has basal intelligence and he sees things and analyze this things in ways that that are just remarkable in ways that we can't even begin to understand those assets those are benefits undeniable assets for any doctor particularly a surgeon is based on true medical. no experience at least based on a show that that actually was done in korea really yeah so we have a korean producer from that show. and you know they cam is also a producer on it and i don't know i'm sure that there are surgeons in the spectrum

just by guessing but i don't it's not based on a particular person and n.b.c. has renewed will and grace. there's also reports that the question i know what's coming to the n.b.c. person of interest payments chairman bob greenblatt said he spoke to aaron sorkin about a reboot of the west wing what do you know i know a lot. they are going to. see that tells me it's coming no it's not necessarily as if you know a lot of if you know it you would say well you know is not necessarily coming and i don't know in what form it's coming but i did have a particular idea that i spoke with to arran about tommy about two and two. guys that at fox who are just like peer author peter author about and i love my idea i don't know if that's going to happen and i don't care and like yes

a lot but i and i don't think a west wing we booed in the white house makes any kind of sense right now so i think some other form of it can you give me a hand with your idea was it's good. so obviously if it comes in this form you'll be in it yes that would be cutthroat for them not to put you in it and take your idea it would be particularly my throat is the one that would feel cut we have some social media questions karam health bar on twitter or who should pay who should play donald trump in the movie donald trump he'll be free soon. oh probably on twitter where jagger from west wing where you most particle with and who challenge you the most when you're in scenes together but the same same answer for both was allison janney i think we felt most simpatico

with each other allowed each other to do the kind of work that we otherwise might have struggled with because there was such a give and take in acceptance. and the relationship on the show became kind of unspoken intimate intimacy. kind of kind of souls touching in a way. working with her was just remarkable and john spencer as well john spencer and i used to come off of a scene and he would say because he's such an actor you know he just loved it he just loved it so much and we would be finished with the scene and he would say i did i forgot who was even on camera you know who got so into just working with each other and i was true with him everything was give and take no matter where the camera was to matter who was on camera and the same is true with allison and i love i love so many of them a martin is is just a show or. because of that because we had actors that really understood

how how to work with each other and a true ensemble how to elevate each other bring our our top game and when you have writing like aaron sorkin's that demands you to bring your top game we then elevate his writing his elevating his writing elevates us it's demanding i miss that i miss being challenged i missed. it was you know it was very frustrating working on the west wing because every script it seemed like it always had the potential for true brilliance. which is almost like the. faction and that's maddening to always be fighting to get to that ceiling. but it makes you fight for it and make sure you really fight for it i miss that i miss that fight you know and i think i think we all kind of gather together and what and climbed

out each other's backs why wouldn't it work again in the white house a white house is over cocked you know it's just too much used to be no never there was never show that worked in the white house now i know you turn the tide every time you turned the channel you madam secretary in ve been hours of cards and you know. the president is a reality show and you've got the real you know the the oval office is no longer feels special but you know i mean that i had trouble watching house of cards at first because i was looking at that show as what are they doing on my set doing bad things get off of my set but now everybody uses that set i think the white house is just it's just we've done it we've you know we've done it too much one other question d m d q do you have a favorite scene ever in west wing. i

always think of. this one scene because it surprised me was in a flashback in new hampshire and i said not a bar a nose a woman a few stools down and i was smoking a cigar and just sitting there being like wiped out from the grind of being a political operative and losing campaigns and she said you want on those political operatives and i want yeah and she goes. do you have a when. and i remember being surprised by the fact that i took a really long pause and i thought about it for a really long time and then i said no. and there was that that that that pause that kind of helped define that character for me because it had never been a concern to him whether he wanted or not because he was fighting for

a particular ideology which was a losing one most of the time and i just thought that scene always kind of sticks out. for me for some reason just because it helped define the character they're terrific guests thank you sir richard schiff we thank him for his time today and i thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking maybe you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things and don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking. a batch or sudden passing i phone lee just. taken your last wrong turn. we all knew it would i tell you i'm sorry. so i write these last words and hopes to put to rest these things that i never got off my chest. i remember when we first

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