one another and there was pepper spray being hit on all sides and then it escalated to this point where we've seen this before ran into the protesters again we're not sure how many people are injured and there are reports of one fatality you but we're not sure if that has been confirmed or not and this is just sort of the latest incident of a severe division that we're seeing in the united states a lot of protests like this have been happening throughout the country and turning violent so it's just a very very stressful and tentative situation right now and we'll be bringing you more and more as we can as we get more updates on the information of what's happened. many thanks us jacqueline's who's on the line by phone for is a coastal in this in the united states who has the latest still a lot in known about this incident to what extent it may or may not be intentional what he's pleaded i've been looking at the pictures you're seeing him just as

automates bring you to the and you can see the people on the ground struck by the vehicles that we just saw growing. and was also clear was a shia shown and just rest of the people on the side of the road with their storm happens. ok let's bring in a guest now our own group to journalist and on the joins me on the line. thanks for having me on yeah i i don't know i don't know how much you've heard of this because this incident we have just got the pictures in now. a bunch of the shows i have to take exception of covered a lot of these demonstrations what's clearly a deliberate deliberate terrorist act the car plowed directly into the crowd it's kept showing people were screaming then it's backed up through the crowd again hitting more. people and it was abandoned and this comes in the context we have

seen numerous times since donald trump was elected of violence by nazis and white supremacists at the various albright's rallies. a demonstration in april in portland which pro nazi pro trump demonstrator would go go on to kill two people stab them but that the court live in seattle washington in january the day trump was in the nagual raided a pro trump supporter shot and nearly killed counter-demonstrators he pulls out a demonstrator in the stomach we see i've been covering these events i know many other journalists who've been covering the events there's all sorts of violence coming from the right ed it is virtually all sometimes some like this might engage in a few fist fights or window breaking but we've seen at least seven politically motivated

murders by pro trump supporters or people emboldened by donald trump none of this is a a surprise and i think the idea that society is divided is also absurd this is a rising fascist right that's all it is and i think the russians know very well what fascism really looks like given that they are the ones who almost single handedly defeated the. greenwood what do you think of the actual decision by the protesters to make this event today what do you think about their principles they believe that history is being rewritten to an extent with the removal of the statues in the rain i mean paul's don't have every right to make a stand against. who are you talking about here i'm talking about the right wing protesters being turned up. look i mean they're they're not about protesting ok richard spencer calls for people at the cleansing up like calling for peaceful genocide. these people want to commit mass murder that's all there is to it and

they want to hide behind the first amendment the first amendment does not give you the right to incite violence you know this is like saying that the hutu genocide of the tutsis they were using the radio was the airwaves to. basically instigate back murder in rwanda i believe was nine hundred ninety three so that's exactly what they are trying to do and as i just pointed out there there has been event after event and this comes on top of all the donald trump rallies where we saw by lives where he was encouraging violence where he said he would defend people who are violent he has actual white supremacist and pro-democracy in his white house people like even the millers even ben and sebastian this is a rising fascist threat this is like going back to the early days of the nazi party

and saying like well you know we should support their right to free speech we may not agree with it but they have a right to say it content does matter and you're not allowed to say ever anything and anything right you're not allowed to yell fire in a crowded theater these people are promoting genocide. not that hard as he said the house being violent sayings the numerous previous protests frequently though it's happening because of clashes between protesters from the political right and counter protesters is also it's also a quibble is the this is false equivalency as i just pointed out in seattle on inauguration day he spoke out a protester was shot in the stomach by a proton demonstrator who was then let go by police in april in portland of pro nazi pro trump demonstrators paid to an all right pro trump rally to a month later than sabs two men to death while he was yelling and tied my. two

women on a train and he injured a third we saw incipit after the election which then went into a bar and hands this and shark to india and bad because he thought they were arabs or he thought they were iranians or muslims and he killed one of us should he would be why did accounts of demonstrators continue to all turn up if if they if there is a suggestion that things will turn violent why are you why are you trying to blame the counter demonspawn don't try to blame any positive role model i'm asking you if there are suggestions you keep trying to. quibble with not trying to say i don't like i said i knew a russian. general know what a threat you are you'll make our claims about various how the power you approach i am trying to ask you a question in a what is clearly a pass just read this no minimization i'm trying to ask you a question i heard before i came on i heard you say well this may have been deliberate because we don't know you have to wait for the better so you aren't ever

heard from and may have all your liberal we don't know if i go. i really knew that was clearly deliberate and it fits into a context of violence boded by the president of the united states who is giving aid and comfort to nazi do you get that. a remark question to you is what could the police be doing in this situation we know there's a protest we know how did you come to listen or any other questions i had newly slim integrations across the country we see that the police are giving the weekend a nod to the nazi i covered incident. where militia members were working hand in glove with donald trump's department of homeland security where they were attacking and arresting protesters they were clearly carrying out police puncheons which is completely illegal ok this is not so hard to understand you are trying to obfuscate the situation you are proud to be an apologist. karun you must be listening to

audio from a different t.v. channel because at no point is not being. heard you very clearly ok your questions are also trying to minimize you keep turning it back to the counter demonstrators so martin luther king where they responsible for the bible it's committed against them when they were in birmingham and so my noble ass your logic anybody is to blame for turning up to counter protest here what is clear and i can see that again say that i mean if you could just i could just ask you to keep your emotions down if possible try to turn a blind eye am i not being a motional what i'm trying to you know in your own religion or i'm certain that i don't appreciate so if we could just like i don't appreciate you twisting my words if you could just stick to the facts i'm not wasting your words around i asked you to repeat what you said so you get ok i was right i have only glory too and i heard the police say earlier to keep asking that question then but you don't listen to when you have not been deliberate you are going out of your way to try and been

a right really does not travel hundreds of yards into a crowd and then back up through the same crowd wasn't deliberate if it was an accident they would have heard it is indeed what happened to everyone then you are absolutely right unfortunately i can't say that we have information confirmed that they reverse back in one of the largest in the last ten minutes of watch half a dozen different videos of this one person you have a whole new staff of hundreds it seems to me that you should be able to be on top of this story more than one person with just a smartphone and if and if you are correct or wrong we will be right there in the front saying exactly what happened we're trying to remain objective at this point if i may ask you know that question you're right no no no you're not remaining objective you're there you are absolutely being objective in the world order then you have you're a german style you are agree i was actually on the street like a number and you were

a journalist are you sitting on me i thought. a talking head like you you were a journalist i wrote i just want to clarify. i've been a journalist for over twenty five years and so you understand the need first of all it's a very five facts before distributing them to the public especially when it happens in a breaking news story we have to be sure about what we say so as not to mislead people fake news is that yeah i know exactly how journalism works ok for you though to start to put a judgment call what you don't have any facts to bake that judgment that this may not be deliberate when they think the evidence but say someone would keep travelling through crowds of human events running them over in the maybe this is. all logic only if you know that for certain maybe they seem to happen you'll say that this indeed happened and if you. watch multiple bit ago. that's why we're going to find out and that's why we have you on the line to run if

you'll notice i'm giving you have the opportunity to say this. so you have any more questions i do but you did i must say you do keep interrupting me every time i try to ask you a question so if you just allow me the opportunity. to have. as we have numerous clashes in the united states we seems to be indicative of the political divide that . thora to do to stop this situation from repeating itself again and again. as i said earlier the notion of the political right. we have it's political. by the president of the united states who has been very explicit about his white nationalist if. he has. that but. the problem is at the most senior level that ministration. even miller's even bad in the bastion

he was trying to put in general just. ok. ok. again i'm repeating myself so you know trying to. get it. easy has been the one promoting violence talking about protesters he just gave a speech where the police where he was that commit police brutality ok against people like killing people like freddie gray in baltimore. it's administration constantly giving aid and comfort to the provinces and he never condemns the bio he tries to create a false equivalence so i find it curious when journalists seem to be carrying his water for him where they keep trying to turn the story on people trying to demonstrate and as i say again this is like blaming martin luther king and the

civil rights movement which did happen that so this shows what side of history you are on. for the pilot it gets that you were doing nothing but waiting ok as you said you've been watching numerous channels i don't think you've been fully watching our coverage because we're not on any side here but i do hope you will cheat in a little later just to understand the fact that we are trying to remain objective here and there is no suggestion whatsoever that counter-demonstrators were in any way to blame for course now but why. do you why do you keep asking about the how to demonstrate you yourself said straker stop blaming first of all no i was not wrong with fortunately there must be a bad line because you're hearing things that weren't said i hope you feel as though you've had a chance to wear your opinion to give you every opportunity and we appreciate you coming on our own journalist on the along with mr bags for having me on. ok we continue to show you these sadly i must say disturbing images coming from

charlottesville the charlottesville police department has now issued a statement on facebook confirming that multiple images injuries i should say have been reported no surprise there given the pictures that we've been airing they say police have now occupied the scene we've seen them there with a cordon across several streets they also say three vehicles were involved in the incident police are also asking for people to clear that area i think that is what is actually been happening from information we've been getting they want not to happen to allow the emergency services to respond to the numerous injured. now we can now show you another video showing the moment of the crash from a different angle before we do this i must again warn you you may very well find the following video disturbing. i mean i

was i. was. i was i. was i was. i was. completely treated i mean you know. somebody knew the mark was coming before the march could get under way of resistance that we could reach this man i. mean i thought people were pinned in between cars people on the ground was our record i guess but how do you know if you

i. know you could hear the comments of yourselves as just in the vehicle and drove deliberately into the back of a line of cars let's discuss this incident further now bring in all of in burra he's from the libertarian national committee good evening on a what is an extremely disturbing event i don't know how much you've seen of the horrific videos that are coming through now was there any suggestion that we would see violence to this extent at this this gathering. i think that the level of violence is catching people off guard but the presence of violence i don't think is going to be a surprise to anyone who's been watching that kind of damaging ideologies that are taking hold of the left and on the and the right and what we're seeing here is an explosion of that kind of damaging ideology these violent ideologies that have

really taken over both the left and the right in american politics the latest reports that we're getting from the police they say six people have been injured they also add that they are in control of the situation. it did seem to escalate very quickly though do you have faith in your thirties do you have things under control that events like this. i mean we can clearly see that they didn't really have control over it going in and i don't think that they have a really an understanding of how pervasive and how radicalized a lot of these ideologies have become it's on that we've been seeing going on in these groups like the all right the left that are really embracing violence as their fundamental form of discourse and that is a major change listen libertarian party has had its disagreements with the with the left on the right in the past but we've all been able to agree that bylane should not be the fundamental form of discourse what we're seeing here is violence

replacing discourse and that is so dangerous for american politics it is something that we all regardless of what party you are we have to fight against the idea of using violence to settle political disputes and just to remind our viewers that this vehicle plowed into the count of protesters who were there to process against the night the rights. march what do you actually think about the decision by the these right wing protesters to have this you not the right not to think there was any legitimacy. to why they were the merits of their reasons for demonstrating today. i don't think they're trying to unite the right i think they're trying to divide that right between people who want smaller government which is most of the people who are conservatives most conservatives are really libertarian they just haven't realized it yet and are trying to replace this vast majority of conservatives who are good people with this heinie radical fringe of

hardcore races that are claiming to speak for the entire right they don't they do not speak for the majority of conservatives this certainly don't speak for the majority of americans it is shameful their ideologies are shameful their actions are shameful the use of violence in this way is absolutely shameful so if we're seeing these pockets of far right demonstrators turning up but if i understand you right you suggesting they are looking for trouble as our previous guests suggested that calvin counter-demonstrators they have every right to be there to express their opinions surely this is just the tinderbox whiting to explode what can you authorities do it in situations because it would save us as it's happened today that there's such a high chance there's going to be violence. honestly this is not something that the police are there to prevent violence the police are there for once violence takes place this is something that all americans and all american politicians the leaders political parties need to say to their own people you know libertarians we say that

to our own people the conservatives need to say it to the all right liberals need to say this to that there is no space for violence in american political discourse and all that's not do the job for the police that's a job for all of us and it is this bashfully that job for american politicians even if an ideology supports you you cannot support the violent actions of that ideology . given the injury sustained today in the shish we can hear the screams on the. the audio coming from the griffith images recording me the incident emotions will be high do you think we're going to say more demonstrations tomorrow could live in more violence. i think we're going to see demonstrations going on it is my deep deep hope that people on the right and people on the left and i know that people libertarian party are already starting to speak out about this issue will encourage

their own people to say even when we agree with you we do not agree with your violence this is something that cannot be solved by the police it cannot be solved by the government this is something we all have to do is say absolutely no to violence violence is the wrong answer here violence is always the wrong way to pursue any political disagreement and i think it's something that needs to happen for every individual person but most importantly from all of the political parties . community spirits all of them will say what is this is there a solution to incidents like this we know the going to be demonstrations by what may be a far right groups is there any way of handling these to avoid violence. yes yes it's comes from the leadership of those movements in politics there will be radical movements that have crazy ideas and you can say well they kind of vote for us and they kind of agree with us you know let's maybe we'll turn a blind eye to them that's wrong you cannot turn

a blind eye to the problematic behaviors within your own movement this is something that makes me so proud of the libertarian movement is its wholesale rejection of all violence in the name of any political pursuit we've even put in our platform with is there is in our statement of principles that we approach for the use of violence and we reject the use of violence in the pursuit of any political goal this is something that we need to see embraced by the left and the right to say that even even if you're on our side even if you're voting for a candidate we do not at all support the use. violence we don't support the use of violence we don't encourage you to brag about violence and this is not just something we're seeing on the right we're seeing this on the left or the anti protests through a lot of these protests that embrace violent disruption as their fundamental form of communication and that has to go it must be rejected there is no space for it in any serious political discourse because of in all of the the right of all americans

to protest and to counter protest also because i perceive the theory of the police to get it to involve themselves they themselves have come under a lot of criticism for the way they've handled certain events. isn't this is that you asian we're just going to see repeats itself again and again if your thirty's were to do anything until things are spilled over. well i mean that's and that it's necessary for the authorities the way it is already is can't say that this protest might turn violent and then go i mean that beds would be a major violation of freedom of speech so if there's going to be violence and the police are going to respond after the fact it's not the job of the police to prevent violence because they know they can't see what protests will become violent and if there's a will decipher protests is likely to be violent you know using bet would be an absolutely unconscionable violation of free speech yes so was i was i was suggesting that all we're going to see this situation repainted again. it depends

on if the political parties really keep on allowing violence and we keep on a bracing balance if we're like yeah cool or the all right is cool look at how edgy they are if if people say things like that then yeah we will see a repeat but if we at the leadership level at the individual level can say that violence is wrong maybe the goals are good but that methodology is so bad the means do not justify any end at all that that kind of violence whether it's done it in individual level of a state level whatever level that violence is wrong and we reject it if we can say that if we can get behind this universal principle which is not a left or right or libertarian principle but a universal principle if we can get behind that it believes of all the parties can get behind that then i do think we're going to see this stop we've had disagreements in america we've had protests they haven't all turned violent they've often been on such personal and and and passion inducing issues and that's good and

that's great for democracy but we need to have the maturity and the result to reject all forms of violence with in that political structure. that appreciate you coming on arteta is your thoughts on this. this is a riff the key event today in charlottesville virginia my guest all the inboard from the libertarian national committee. throughout that interview we've been showing you these disturbing images coming from the. least but we were actually in reports three cars may have been involved in this plowing the way through a crowd of. protesters there in charlottesville virginia police is saying that there were at least six people injured we earlier we spoke to mary because rubenstein he was at the scene he witnessed what happened i mean i'm not sure how it how it works physically but the person in front from what i hear was able to drive away and was followed by a state trooper that was told to me by an n.b.c.

reporter i didn't see that personally i saw it i saw i did i saw two cars that were all totaled the trunk was just completely smashed a woman was inside crying there was there was blood on the hood of her vehicle there was blood all over the place of people about sixty people injured i saw i saw some of them flying through the air over the hood of the car. and i'm hearing actually one one possible fatality i can't confirm that but that's that's what i've been hearing on the ground and i also hear about sixteen people injured total. been any suggestion at this point to who the victims were the people who were hit by this call with a right wing protest as over the counter protest no no they were contra protesters they they were more of the variety they weren't breaking things or anything like that they were marching through a very very small road it was it's a one way and they had just a big number of people in that stretch and the car just plowed through three cars

actually plowed through two of them and it appears to be unintentionally one of them and it appears to be very intentional i mean this sounds like a riffing seen lots of people injured by the sound of it one of the. done about this i would imagine that with the place down of the something like this. well that it's not completely locked down i mean streets have been shut off on and off all day and charlottesville. they were originally fire trucks came down and even a bear cat the bear cat was the first vehicle to respond after reports it started coming out of this of this incident and then later on some and you and says were able to show up after about like seven to ten minutes or so. i hear donald trump is going to give a speech later tonight say something about this but it seems as though charlottesville is not completely shut down although there is a state of emergency. the mood there of the count of protests he said that some of

them who have been injured how they responded to what. have been the sole support and some of the numbers. you know it it's just it's just very somber here a lot of people crying a lot of people have friends that were that were hit by that car and just just all around sadness you know you know typically at a protest if if the police will ask you to get on the sidewalk protesters will say no i mean everyone was quiet and everyone was just trying to do the best thing that they could do at that time for the people seeds. and how would you describe the scene today we heard the previous incidents as well just how violent how's this protest being. sure i mean there was not a good number of chemicals being sprayed there was pepper spray. there. i'm sorry i apologize my camera man. there was a a large number of pepper spray being shot from both sides at each other odd eyes i

saw of people hitting each other with holes i saw a lot of people with just what a lot of blood running down their face giant welts it was very. it was very odd dramatic very scary at times but i will say that the police did not did not use heavy handed tactics today and how would you describe the scene now does this look like things are going to calm down perhaps people seen enough to want out now or could this actually build. it seems it seems that for the day in charlottesville it's over everybody is spread out across multiple multiple sites throughout the downtown area ah but it seems that for the day everything everybody is tired everyone's everyone's grieving. and just to clarify that i think the latest video gave us the clearest picture so far.