group you hardly hear about them but you seem to have no political shape and the only appear as a counter protest group inciting violence if you think about it there would have if it wasn't there so aggressive. anything you know would've would have taken place at this point you know they do have a right to be there as well what i find is if you look at their record stream aggressive extremely advocating publicly calling for violence against anybody they label or brand a nazi or a fascist and even the term anti fascist it's kind of disingenuous construct because they don't seem to want to define what fascism is and they seem to be sticking this label solely on trunkless tells me to this is a kind of a politicized construct and you could say on what basis. are they operating on just purely agitation were delayed actually have some sort of. political

argument to make and if you look at the term fascism in terms of corporatism says something that flourished under eight years of bra obama and george bush before him and bill clinton before that in terms of the clinton bush obama continuum or you can make an argument that fascism in america is definitely a bipartisan. establishment driven trend in us society and public and corporate life. so we have on one side a group of white nationalists known to use violence on the other we have the anti rights demonstrators who according to donald trump as he said earlier there is no sides. saying that they didn't play any role in any violence in any such demonstrations and then as we've heard from other guests as well as yourself the suggestion that the local police have been backwards in coming forward that perhaps they've been sympathetic and of stood back surely the higher level thought he

should have seen this is a recipe for disaster. well normally the way police normally work in the states is . we have to apply for permits to do protests so the group that applied for the permit was unite the right the right wing group and they actually backed by the american civil liberties union surprisingly in this protest and so they had their current from the police police also the n.t. agitation was coming in normally the police are then responsible for protecting. a gathering and protecting them from the protest that's normally how it works and so for for some reason that doesn't seem to have happened maybe it was just they were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of these. protests that were bussed in from out of town i think the majority of these people probably quite far away i would

venture to guess certainly that was the case in california and other places where you see them popping up the right wing demonstration probably had people from. even the one of the drivers implicated in. allegedly we're hearing from from. drive away from charlottesville virginia. police to. give protection to a lawful protest and you know if you have people coming across state lines in an organized way. really to just cause violence certainly that's the police. they're not responsible for that and quite frankly it would have. a difficult to control that. you know whether that should have cancelled the demonstration. by the police that's been done before. and that

fuses any potential confrontations that didn't happen unfortunately and. you have was an outbreak of violence and it's sad because i think that there are elements on the sort of extreme right that are definitely benefiting from a visibility and publicity standpoint from a polarized atmosphere like this and absolutely on the far left they're feeding off that too and so there's a kind of an odd symbiosis between the extreme right and this anti for which is the extreme left and so who are publicly calling for violence in a kind of disturbing way labeling people in this term all right is completely meaningless now and so it's just it's been completely convoluted through really hysterical discourse from the democrat party and basically anybody who seems to be against them and so they've managed to bind this term all right with nazi with

fascist and of course that becomes the battle cry for violence against people who then get labeled by that to me is it really dangerous and we can see yes some people were injured and hurt. the protests and things like that openly just beating up people on the stream the police are standing by kind of watching it in some cases some really disturbing. patrick people tuning into a channel to see the mulching these scenes globally from all around the wilting maybe doesn't it too much about life in america will see these horrific scenes that we've heard repeatedly about this huge political divide in america what we've been seeing today this protest this is this the extreme fringes of the political sphere clashing is this basically an extreme minority forcing problems or is this in any way indicative all of that defied throughout the country. this is absolutely in

extract. minority event as you put it if you go throughout the united states states i've traveled a lot through the country. couple of years and you don't see this this is not what's happening in america and i think much to the dismay. of those people who are just. unseating the current president democratically elected president is that people are getting back to work trying to get on with but you do have a radical minority seems to be dead you know completely determined. resistance that's the sort of. come out of the sort of hillary clinton camp very early on that basically embody. basically anything to

oppose anything to resist. this includes russia you know this is unfortunately this is reflected in u.s. foreign policy so you have the total dysfunctionality of u.s. domestic politics. really the fringe in the extreme pushing people like adam and democrats and republicans to pushing this kind of russian hysteria this. foreign policy scene very dangerous domestic politics and. make it more reactionary cause presidents. to be more. you say take the attention off of any domestic issues or to get a bump in the polls this is happened in u.s. history before and so we're looking at a situation with north korea perfect the perfect storm right now for that sort of. distraction to take.

as it were. they might be pushed in that direction by the political operatives that are around the president and his team at the moment so these are all the things that i'm worried about in the many other sort of i think sober analysts are worried about when you look at the situation of what's broken out today but it is absolutely a fringe phenomenon here this is not what's going on around the country in so it's sad that this will be sort of the main topic of discussion for the next few days but i guarantee you in this is the way the new cycle is in the sort of the hyper twenty four seven extant news cycle in america this will become yesterday's news by this time next week no one will have heard about it will be something else that will dominate c.n.n. news feed or fox and n.b.c. and so forth you talk about donald trump we have seen i mean he's felt compelled to

. call and of reference to today's. events with this faith tell it he called it an example of hatred and bigotry and he made a point of saying that this is hatred and division that have been around for a long time prior to him proud to barack obama but the fall left how the will continue to the link came to such events they say that these far right extremist his supporters that. is that is the president right to try and distance himself from this what else can he do. well i think you can't blame anybody for anyone that supports them you saw this when david duke came out during the sort of primary i think was during the primary stage of the maybe during the general and said that he was backing donald trump and then he was then hijacked during an interview with jake tapper on c.n.n. who put the words k.k.k. into his mouth and said well wouldn't you know are you going to disavow david do

you have no control over who backs you if you're in politics so this is really sort of you know weak argument the left democrats are using throughout the election cycle you know people basically saying that the right is the k.k.k. is like the modern expression of the k.k.k. that is a completely disingenuous statement but you hear this is part of the hysterical rhetoric of this going on this type of hysterical rhetoric does not help the situation at all what it does is it drives to further polarize you know it's a kind of a dumbed down analysis. quite frankly i'm going to say in times like this they're not thinking straight because if they're thinking straight it would make a statement that when you study this phenomenon has many different iterations and it's quite a diverse big tent under there everything from conservatives republicans conservatives

moderates people obama supporters i mean there's lots of people that might themselves with so-called right who are on reddit for instance. people completely diverse the label like nothing anymore because it's completely convoluted by now but yet this is still used to sit kind of a rallying cry by the counter protesters and it's sad that the whole game of labeling in america seems to be. and almost national pastime now rather than having a real discourse or debris we're talking about issues talking through and analyzing issues in history instead of people who just liebling each other and then you know whatever the knowledge is going to oppose you for the sake of opposing you and there i stuck my label on you seeing so much of this mainstream politics in america you know it's definitely not a good sign because we're not going to be able to have that national debate when

the national conversation is in this meaningful use is going to be and sort of. which is kind of what we have a lot of we have a lot of room for the last twelve months. we've been as you've been speaking to patrick we've been showing pictures of the incident the car plowing through the counter protesters one of those stories was very easy and people will very quickly get very emotive about it but we try to speak to a variety of guests to get context not be given as certainly a lot of patrick having said many thanks executive director of twenty first century wired dot com. ok let's bring you live pictures now this is this scene now you saw the pictures earlier of the car ramming into other vehicles which you can see there this is the scene now so the police have clearly cordoned off the area although you're cation you catch a glimpse of police in riot gear just coming across that cordon they're standing by making sure that the area is clear and you can see the extent of the damage done to

those two vehicles you can see there with the two that were apparently practically stationary from what we've seen on the video when a vehicle which is believed to have been a dog a pickup truck round into them from behind and you can see the force with which the collision occurred. dozens of people were caught up in that collision. at least eight people being confirmed injured and at least one fatality that is according to a tweet. the mayor of charlottesville everybody who was taking part in that protest by surprise you can see from the dead breed there again the force of the impact i must add at this point a lot of people assuming that this was a deliberate assaults upon the counter protesters the anti white nationalists protest that may be the case but we cannot say that for certain in this case as has been explained how but incidents that have happened in the past where it wasn't

deliberate series we know who the culprit in the car was the perpetrator i should say and exactly a little bit clearer about the motivation and we will bring that to you as soon as we know if anyone's been apprehended we'll let you know we do know that the state trooper according to reports set off in pursuit of the vehicle responsible which then reversed back down the road injuring further people in the protest as a result. now the police have taken control earlier we'd seen violence break out at this white nationalists protest the police had brought in riot riot police the national guard and actually been set out on to the streets to try and clear the protest in anticipation of things getting worse but they weren't able to intervene in time to stop this fatal incident from occurring. and now i must warn you once again you may very well find these images disturbing here

is again the moment where this vehicle crashed into two of the cars and into a crowd of counter protesters in charlottesville virginia. i i i was i i i i i i. i

i could be cured but you know look i'm. sorry. for all those things i tried to get out i couldn't thank you all day because often they feel like i have to see continual tears. as i mention the still no official confirmation regarding whether this attack was a was not deliberate the driver we're understanding now is in police custody earlier we spoke to our own go up to a journalist in the political analyst he suspects that this attack was indeed carried out on purpose. that was clearly a deliberate deliberate terrorist attack the car plowed directly into the crowd it kept going people were screaming then it back through the crowd again more people and it was. some time some leftists might engage in a few fist fights or window breaking but we have seen at least seven politically

motivated murders by trump supporters or people and bold and none of this is a surprise and i think the idea that society is divided is also absurd this is a rising fascist threat that's all it is and i think the russians know very well what clash is a really looks like given that they are the ones who almost singlehandedly defeated the nazis they're not about protesting ok richard spencer calls for peaceful at and a cleansing that's like calling for a peaceful genocide. people want to commit mass murder that's all there is to it and they want to hide behind the first amendment for the first amendment does not give you the right to incite violence this is a rising fascist threat this is like going back to the early days of the nazi party and saying like well you know we should support their right to free speech we may not agree with it but they have a right to say it content does matter and you're not allowed to say every anything

and any right you're not allowed to yell fire in a crowded theater these people are promoting genocide. president gave a statement condemning the violence in charlottesville and calling on americans to show unity were closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville virginia we condemn into strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred bigotry and violence on many shots on many sites it's been going on for a long time in our country. not donald trump not barack obama. has been going on for a long long time. it has no place in america what is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives so there we have the president saying that this has been going on for a long time the sort of division in the country that america is really anything but

united and then here we have this incident today and what's interesting to note is even before the car plowed into the crowd of protesters there had been a state of emergency declared in the area there was a heavy police presence with more than a thousand officers to me to have been there the police were in riot gear and the virginia national guard was present and so it's not fully clear how this happened how this was possible that this is allowed to happen we know that they were trying to break up the protesters but this simply had been declared as unlawful but obviously when you have large groups of people it's hard to just get them to leave and go home but this original protest by the white nationalist was because there was plans to remove a confederate statue what some see see as a racist symbol from the city and this isn't the first time we've seen an instant like this back in may down in new orleans there were plans to remove they actually

did remove a confederate statue in the city and they actually did it there at night in order to avoid such a large turnout of protesters during the removal there were still protesters there but they did do it at night in order to avoid what they feared could be a violent protest such as this and frankly we've just seen a lot of division here and the united states on both sides of the party. on both sides of the aisle of the political aisle we've seen comedian kathy griffin doing a photo shoot holding up a bloody severed head that was meant to resemble the president she regretted having done that later on she said. that she had gone too far but many accused her of listening violence with that sort of stunt we've had place here gone on in new york city that depicted again the president being killed in the end so we've seen just

a lot of division here and this is just one more incident we're seeing today where one person has already been confirmed to have been killed by the incident today and many more injured it's possible that the body count may rise obviously we hope not but anything's possible at this point. ok let's bring in a guest now michael maloof former pentagon official joins me on the line now when he was under better circumstances. i just want to talk first about what exactly has happened today got into a heated debate with a guest earlier who was adamant that this was a deliberate attack and a lot of people use a kind of ockham's razor mentality they see a car plowing into people and they immediately will say that this is tantamount to a terrorist attack they might be right they're also incidents where that isn't the case and it wasn't deliberate for numerous reasons i always believe as a journalist that we have to be cautious in these circumstances so we know for certain what's your take on what you've seen. well it's an unfortunate development

what happen it's only about two and a half hours from where i live most roads built on this in the from the washington area were you know. it started off as a local incident of removal of a statue as you pointed out but this has had the tech the effect of galvanizing. and already polarized country if you go over the all the you know radical left in the radical right and that's what we're see that manifested itself in this this way and you're absolutely right about the car that plowed into the one thousand people one of whose unfortunately you know did now there is another report that suggests that the car was going down the street and people on the sides of the street were pelting rocks and the car accelerated to get out of the way and then back out. in an effort to to escape now and again all of this is. the women are still subject to

further investigation and they do have an individual in custody of the car but this really reflects the deep divisions ever occur in the united states and have been for some time and i think the election of donald trump of course helped magnify and manifest this because they still have not accepted the fact that he won this election. and you're going to have people critically from out of can out of state out come in and out as they have another demonstrations and actually be a professional rabble rousers demonstrators in this this is what i believe has begun to occur in charlotte. i mean we know about the violent tendencies in the history of the far right what about those on the left who were very quick to say that this is all the responsibility of those on the right of this suggests that including donald trump today saying it was blame on both sides do you believe he

was. yes thing it bad that basically this is being done some to i for political guy . well you know i think this is all political you have the ever since the election you have seen now. more liberal types in the united states calling for taking up arms are calling for the a coup. this is this is unbelievable yet they they they drape themselves in the cloak of righteousness that they're about free speech womanhood that's the interesting thing about charlottesville that was their own to thomas jefferson was one of the originating writers of the declaration of independence and the constitution it is and it's right it's ok for people to protest and with that's the beauty of our constitution if you can protest but when it gets violent then you have to take concerted action to work well and that's what's occurring right now and in a very responsible way i'm right but it does reflect

a deeper. polarization in the united states that is occurring and only because and. trunk one and people do not want that man to succeed it is agenda even going so far as wanting to work with issues with with russia on a myriad of it in a myriad of areas and so this. this and you have as i said people coming in from the outside who are absolute all right wing types. they're up there. they're still fighting that war the war of. it's the certain us civil war in some respects and you saw confederate flags flying totally out some areas it's awful but. i think that there are more of a minority because in a prevalent way charlottesville and indeed all of virginia believes in equal rights

and you have a people who are. i get asked by what you as a career in the majority of the folks both insurance we once were do not share these extreme sentiments whether from what. we know to an extent what we're going to be dealing with when there are protests like this we know these the people on the far right who are demonstrating who of course for violence and we know that there are going to be people on on the left who are determined to stand up to these these fascists as they see them the or thirty's know all about this in advance how is this able to actually happen the violence kicked off much earlier in the day prior to this car plowing into those people the authorities have national guard on the ground they haven't disappeared it why were they not able to stop this from happening in the first place and this ingestion from some sources and several guess we've had is that the local police in particular are very reluctant that suggests that maybe they are sympathetic to some of the far right protesters. but i think it it came on as you pointed out much

earlier than expected there was a huge rush hour people you know think the media mind was overwhelmed you know to get out of and from there but it was quickly brought back under control by you know by police who were back there for the national guard of the national guard even though they're in all or have not been caught you know it's been for some years now to be reduced to. a remarkable job in there and they're doing it with restraint. or they are doing it with these strikes some some people have suggested too much restraint and they're supposed that is always going to be the very difficult situation for them or in forstmann whether to go in at the first sign of of unrest or not what is the solution is there one because we're bound to see more protests of a similar ilk how on earth does does anybody do anything to prevent another tragedy unfolding. well we still have tonight there's talk that these demonstrations could

go through the night and i think that the police are going to be a problem they're going to learn from what happened today and they're going to reinforce. people have a right to peaceful demonstration but if it gets out of me and it becomes violent then they have an obligation to stop the violence people can peacefully protest under our constitution but they cannot resort to violence whether it's from the left or the right and i think that you know you talked about you talked about restraint by the police if the given all the cameras in the park and the press that are out there please stop a cop pushing or shoving somebody in and beating him with a with a stick it in there that snap snap grab if you will of what i was shot their fleet people have started yelling police brutality so they've got to be careful here they're constrained somewhat you know how the execute this that's why they they use pepper spray and and other means before they resort to and. baikal thanks for coming and giving us your thoughts michael maloof is my guest former pentagon

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