big body corporate interest has thrown down a lot of boys that's how it is in the news culture in this country now that's where i come in. i'm in it still i've done are to america i'll make sure you don't get railroad you'll get the straight talk in the straight news. all the worlds. and all the news companies merely players but what kind of parties are into america play party america offer much more artsy america on personal. in many ways the news landscape is just like if you real news big names good actors bad actor and in the end you could never know your audience so much parking for all

the world's a stage all the world's a stage all the world's a stage and we are definitely a player. on larry king now from london a indelible anyone x. if i feel like i want to write music and continue recording. it will be time for that i like to be free i don't like to schedule i'm one of those performers that. i get nervous and i put so much into my performance that i find it exhausting and a lot of musicians love nothing better than being on stage and i don't get that i don't know so i think i think about one and a half hours is really maximum you could change one thing i would give a gift of intelligence and humanity and compassion to anybody that was in a position of power so that they would make sensible decisions plus we've gone through a lot of political correctness and i think for good reason because we. actually

asking people to respect each other but of course those cookham correctness can go into strange places too all the eggs on larry king now. well good oh larry king now we're shooting today from london where we're joined by award winning singer songwriter philanthropist humanitarian activist the iconic annie lennox last time you were here you were releasing an album of covers will we see another len example at this point you know never is more what oh i don't know what are you doing i'm doing a lot of things i'm spinning a lot of plates i do things that i enjoy doing and i actually recently just before interesting because he won a really prestigious prize called the pool of price in stockholm in sweden you know and string together you know just me and it was all very secret because they wanted

it to be a surprise and so i perform one of his songs and that was lovely and i like to do one off things like that you know just i just sing and play on the piano and if i feel like i want to write music and continue recording i think will be a time for that i'm not sure i like to be free i don't like to how have a schedule where i'm from fit obliged to stick to it you do a lot of concert you know not only more i mean i had decades of doing hundreds of concerts and tutoring and travelling around the world and then i had a period in my life and i had young children and i said i can't to it with my children's to it's really too much i must be a mother but i did performances and i did appearances and interviews and i did a few two hours. and i took my children with no two and now they're not little

they're not little children anymore no twenty four and twenty six so are you going to sing in two or i don't know it's true mr lighton i'm one of those performers that is i get nervous and i put so much into my performance that i find it exhausting a lot of musicians love nothing better than being on stage you know you know the ones that. all of those kind of they love it they just lie there and the place and i don't get that i don't know sir. i think we're one and a half hours is really maximum when you said in two thousand and fourteen that you'd stop writing you were too happy yarkas little occasion very happy. if you work less. what it what are you doing. i have. i'm like i said lots of different interests and it's almost like i have volved into becoming an advocate an art activist for hiv and aids and this really kind of took

me on a different journey and i could use my music as a platform for that so i would and i still do perform for various fundraising events why why a show b.a.'s it wasn't an arbitrary choice it was something that i was exposed to because back in the one thousand nine hundred three i was an invited to perform for nelson mandela's launch of his hiv aids foundation which was called fordable six x. four and while my deva was at that point he was still healthy he decided to put his focus into hiv junia's which he described as a genocide at the time in south africa where thousands of people were dying not getting access to treatment and when i saw and when i witnessed the horror of that pandemic face to face and as mandela had described it which is affecting women and children they were the face of it it was as if like i had a huge insight into what was going on or why we couldn't walk away from it to that

group why would that stop me from singing and writing and working in well it didn't stop me completely but. i suppose what it is is that i quite enjoy entertaining people but there's another aspect of me that feels that i need to use my platform for women's rights and ups really in a way what i've been doing are you still an artist first i'm a pearl additives before an artist in my sensibility i suppose now the the activist bit has eclipsed a lot of the so our usual fame which is there for good i would say i try yeah i try to do that couple of things about music and we'll talk more about driving as the business changed much you think just a little for the worse or might a say you like streaming i like certain aspects of technology i love things like instagram i love the in you know i love to i take photographs and i nothing fancy

is just i phone but i love taking photographs and i love the instantaneous act of putting and yeah putting a photograph on instagram with a little common justice just to have that commentary with people just to see it can be very divisive and when i was on facebook and before that my space remember my space done done and dusted we're just accelerating with technology so quickly now but i use facebook for more serious issues and i sometimes blog what i'm thinking but for many years i found that to be so divisive that people like me and really what it said and i thought are not trying to make people angry i'm just trying to say i'm just trying to make people think but people i think they use those platforms to sometimes get their under of the chest you know and i don't really want to get into divisiveness it's everybody has

a right to their opinion like modern technology yeah i think some of it but i think when it's used intelligently and creatively. i think it's an incredible thing you said recently that you've encountered a lot i'm a surgeon is that behavior growing up were unsure how to deal with it or labyrinth when we just want to hear it was just in a general psych geist you know i was born in the fifty's and growing up as a teenager i think there was a lot of hard core male behavior towards women you know attitude on up here i grew up in aberdeen in the north east but in general just in general across the world the my expense of being a woman was that you sometimes things you were it was a kind of putdown and from men as well as. no it's really tricky to describe i mean times have changed so much and are continuing to change what was normal then and was acceptable is not really acceptable anymore it's that's

definitely good you know i mean we've we've gone through a lot of political correctness and i think for good reason because we are actually asking people to respect each other but of course political can correctness can go into strange places too because people aren't being authentic but i would still prefer that people were spent for men were respectful of women women were respectful of men decent behavior is firm and as i'm a better order now like for example i've been a fan of domicile i've overgrow women as equal i work for women i never thought good to hear but i never thought that was odd i think i've thought about this a lot and i actually think that the word feminist and the you know it's a bit like art when you see art. people have different relationship to it and people take a meaning from the word feminism and the take their own interpretation of

that word so some people feel of feminism is this and someone else might think well from isms completely different and they feel just as much as they own it for me fett feminism means the empowerment of women and girls so they can have a decent life with education with access to medical care sexual reproductive health care access to the things that in the western world women like myself have had the privilege of taking for granted because when you travel to developing countries you get to see. something often like it feels a bit like the middle ages you see young girls under the age of eighteen who've already had a baby and are pregnant probably married to a much older man you see that but it can change and like just like. female genital mutilation is changing now it's changing at the grassroots level that young women

growing up don't want this to happen to them in the west we didn't even know it existed know which threaten what what is the orses the circle what is that all this well it relates to this experience that i had i was taken by oxfam by comic relief and. when i went to uganda malawi i was with four of six with lots of experiences going into townships and seeing that women were disempowered at a level that the so shocking domestic violence renie. things that just seem to be like that's the norm or you know rape is a weapon of mass destruction in the congo or wherever i mean if you look at history you know that women have been raped as a weapon of destruction so i saw these things that became so real to me and then i felt coming back to london i live in the western country we were very fortunate

suffragette movement empowered my generation and the generation just before me my mother's generation were given the possibility to have the right to vote before that's not so long ago we couldn't vote and also women weren't working as lawyers or doctors or politicians or i mean i wrote a sister's doing for the themselves back in the eighty's and it was all about that it was a celebration of women's liberation but there's so much further to go so i can look at myself as a global feminist and the circle sorry that was your original question is an organization that was founded a few years ago only a couple of years ago actually basically trying to encourage women who are so resourced to come together it's a hub it's a place where we can inform our ourselves about various women focus projects around the world and we can be supportive of those projects do you think performers ever do do it go i'd like to say yes i do i do because it is such a you're in such

a previous position that you have a platform but i would say also that if you're going to represent an issue be sure that you really believe in it and that it's not just a stepping stone for you to be to look good you know what wouldn't you say to quote the old auction you have come a long way baby couple long way baby over into i have a come a long way of and women come along yes i think our much earlier is it getting better and better every day or. and i think there's still a long way to go but i think what's important is that people actually know. how to create change and that one can shout and be a you know oppositional and sometimes that's necessary that kind of anger is necessary to create societal cultural change however you must create a movement a collective movement before you can create a tipping point and that's why i when i was asked what do you think about. donald

trump and obviously at this time in march as things are changing every month as you say in march i was part of the woman's march that i i'm involved here for international women's day every single journalist asked me so what about what about you know the comments that were made them such a stick comments that were made and i actually said well you know ironically it served a purpose because it actually i'm tubes a kind of attitudes and such and stick us to towards women that they could rally up against and become become less complacent up next sammy on our secret talent our favorite vice us we'll discuss our ongoing advocacy for a child be age that's after this. i'm tom hartman and i'll give you what the mainstream media can't help the big

picture. and when you question more find what you're looking for this. dog. will go deeper investigate and debate all so you can get the big picture. in case you're new to the game this is how it works in our economy is built around core. preparations from washington to washington controls the media the media and the. voters elected to businessman to run this country business equals power you must it's not business as usual it's business like it's never been done before . back in london where the great enemy linux h.i.v. is it's a major issue in developing countries in america i don't know about england we were

talking about no one talks about it it seems i think people think it's been cured that they wish well there are ta tales if you get a job be you probably don't get a's in america yes at the treatment is not a cure the cure hasn't been found to have the treatment has worked yes the treatment works and. that i think the first thing to say is that the stigma of a child he is very very strong people still find it a very very hard issue to discuss in front of their friends in the family in america or just don't leave it all to because they think it's done it's a done deal but it isn't a done deal and it's coming back especially in african-american but not in a poor places in america in england oh yeah it's here oh it's in london it's in every major city it's all through the country and people just don't want to recognize it but if i can take the opportunity while i'm having a conversation with you about it i think the thing that everybody must do is if you

are all going off and you're having sex unprotected sex get tested get tested so you know your status first and foremost know you're still this still up why is it getting less attention because they trigger. i think everybody wants things to but nasty things to just not exist and i think that. after the huge we have outrage and protest that was. happened didn't suffer sysco happens all over america i mean it was so successful incredible campaign to get people access to testing and treatment and actually what happens if you look at these movements for change that they have a big tidal wave and actually they get somewhere and so the mountain has been climbed but then no longer have you reached the spin a call of that mountain and then there would be another one ahead of us so the young generation coming up are not as aware as we were in our twenty's on all of

a sudden this hideous play suddenly for everybody was that people thought if you share a mug with someone if you hug someone and you kiss someone there are all kinds of misnomers going around we didn't understand what it is about now we have the drugs now we have the treatment you can live with hiv and you can lower your. discount until it's very badly susceptible as president george w. bush yes to the most forward in emerging countries that's right pepfar pepfar money from america has been totally transformative in all around the world it is truly has been a remarkable thing where gifty i totally agree with perla game of if you only knew questions actually like this who is your childhood celebrity crush cliff richard cliff richard loved cliff richard you'll do pleasure. drinking or wine

in white wine i often. see with nice sigrid town secret talent. i can cook as who would you trade places with for a day. sebastian salgado. he is the most incorrect student photographer who's been all around the world photographing extraordinary human experiences and if either so many things i'd like to be able to do in my life i would love to have been a photographer like him looking mentally for talk you tag taking pictures. is that the camera or the person holding the camera is it's both but i think it's the person really something we all should be paying more attention to global warming climate change climate change without believe there are deniers that they're crazy denies that it's crazy what's a luxury you care where we're about or surprise or i wish that some of us

sharing your every woman needs voice or as a nurse a stranger's job you've ever been i worked in a fish factory and i had to go underneath the machines with like waterproof. like a saw wester and a keep. with a hook cleaning underneath the machine that was flipping the fish with waters fish water on my hand and we have it all marked or. something you wish you were better at i wish i was better it's our focusing my in my mind i am a little bit distracted and i like to focus better or do you have a favorite vice at will it's really vodka martini yeah because i'm going up from the white wine. like a vulcan martini funniest fan encounter i was in a big gathering in scotland an awards ceremony over time people were

drinking and drinking in scotland they like to drink they got very drunk and at the beginning of the thing they're all very stiff and all very formal. so the place is everybody is completely blind drunk i wasn't actually regrettably and i'm sitting next to a man is various different but then he gets a little bit kind of loose and his wife is completely gone staggers up to me and says over my shoulder maher husband loves you he does him as he really loves you. so to me that was very funny. some social media questions for you dear miss mack nineteen seventy three would you make a comeback either alone or as the eurythmics you never know i never know dang of course of a thomas in twenty seventeen in what ways is the average person still ignorant about h.i.v. and everywhere people just don't know the fundamental facts they don't know for

example that a pregnant woman has it have a positive can give birth to an h.p.v. negative baby with the right kind of an intervention they don't know that they don't know basic things that some people still probably think that you can cut it from sharing a man or a cup or tourists hours do you think your voice is changed through the years i think it has changed somewhat in what way i think as you get older your voice gets more mature i mean it's i think it's a little lower than it was but it's i think i've become more myself and it's it's wrong it's quite raw force now is a troubling with the higher notes no i think i think better than i did in some ways curiously. jean venturis when that voice soars you make such an indelible impression what does that saw come out of there has to be a story of struggle or pain behind all that gripped i have never seen anyone so powerful on stage right where is a kind of a compliment and i think it's always

a mystery you know where to saw what is source that you've got you can see it it's your inner spirit it's what it's what. it's an expression of your existence human expression music is so emotional unlike other art forms people will cry when they hear music this all of a sudden you could just be in tears i find that happening have it do you find out enough to understand the other it is it's just the universal language of the soul whatever that is you bring it to the stage i realised that performance is a powerful place and gather with an audience gather together you make a kind of magical connection with that with the audience you know with this music that if present to them and this suddenly if if you do the job properly. there should be in trance they should be cut to fit it by by this kind of how would you say a mormon is being held to the sky to spell really if it's working then digs with tell

us about your friendship with freddie mercury why was he so special well i never really was friends with ready but people think i was because there is a quite a beautiful picture where i met him for a mormon and somebody said all to have your picture taken and it's touching you know it's like i'm in a dress and i very rarely ever sequin dress and i'm camping it up and fred is arm around him and his company you know and it's just a moment and i'll bet a lot of people i mean david bowie for one everything i've sung with. dave you want to admit a good and sung with some of the best the most extraordinary singers on the planet and and there was freddie just for this moment i think this was in the eighty's and i never got to know him and why do i think he was special because he was flamboyant and he dared to go beyond the boundaries you know and people didn't even think he was gay that those were back in the days and it was hard for him to come out and

and acknowledge that he was gay and then further that he was suffering from hiv and it you know struggled with that dan you know crossover term a stew of any prince stories yeah one prince dory. prince came to see us mics and we were performing in a tiny club somewhere in new york you know like a little basement club and he heard that we were performing and he shows up to come and see us not only that he waits backstage and it's a tiny dressing like a cupboard and he waits to see us and in the end i think david gone for a drink and it's just me and him in the tiny little room and he was incredibly shy but he actually didn't really almost didn't say a word and when he did say something he whispered it and kind of looked away he couldn't make eye contact and it was slightly awkward and i was trying to when people are chai in front of me i feel so uncomfortable and i want to make them feel

good and i was saw in all of him because for me he was extraordinary had a great hour with him he was funny and he's funny or we are and that's a thing that's what it was said that actually when he was relaxed he was hilarious and very outgoing and hurt i wish i wish i could have had a chance to kind of level down and have that fun warman with him because i think we would have laughed a lot more real a poor do you have any regrets in your life. so many regrets so many i can't count them. you should do with them you serve yeah forget it well because the chopped liver you said in a two thousand and fourteen rolling stone article i'd rather be not successful and happy than be super successful and miserable obviously did you do music regular ever make you unhappy. yes the the aspect of the loneliness of touring the hard the hard kind of the rip repetition of it made me very unhappy

and also that being famous as is a different way of being and i've always kind of strive to avoid it like oh it's just a projection it's not me me is me but that's a projection is you it's you it's me but it's a projection so. it's an aspect of you that people think they know and they kind of know that aspect but they don't know you as a person so that's another thing to discover does that make sense but a serious and that's how it is but some people play into the illust game and i know i'm not comfortable being part of that so i i kind of rather shy away from it how are you when you meet someone famous that you don't know it's a good question i'm awestruck by them these oh i'm off struck yeah i'm off

awestruck by them and i know that i don't know them yet until i get to know them the real person is not what i'm not what is giving me the or struck ness that's the projection or who if you could change one thing you know the way is a wand what would you change i wouldn't i would i would make i would give a gift of intelligence and humanity and compassion to anybody that was in a position of power so that they would make sensible decisions and handle this world in a better place so that would be there would be i would take all the weapons away i've taken all the weapons away and were projectiles. well you know the list is endless tragic this is so offensive and it's somebody who could horrible it's his it's a kind of insanity yeah it's insanity and there's so many i realize that the world is mot the world to these modern we're like we're all thinking that we know

everything and we don't and our opinion is the only opinion and we were not kind to each other and that's just so much i could say about how crazy the world is and you are going to like oh we don't have time for the fake by guest anyone except more about all the musicians the circle go to the circle and geo and there's always you can find me on twitter at kings things signing off for london see you next time . i've got to do just that if you're watching all of. us.

what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to be rich.

but you do like to be prosperous like them before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the. first sydney. for. me. oh i'm tom hartman at washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture republicans are predictably up in arms about donald trump's defense of white supremacists following the charlottesville terror attack it.