it's a joy to beatrice with what before three in the morning can't be good that i'm interested always in the waters of my. question. hello i'm tom hartman at washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture republicans are predictably up in arms about donald trump's defense of white supremacists following the charlottesville terror attack but are they ready to take responsibility for helping

have created this climate of aid in the first place last charles our dave mcauley and i was alone liberal rubble and as nafta renegotiation talks begin in washington d.c. can that deal actually be improved or should we scrap the whole thing and start over last melinda st louis later on in the program. but if any neo nazis donald trump might finally have reached his expiration date with the institutional republican party let's rumble. with a further night's rumble are dave mccall a partner at capital media partners and charles sauer economist and president at the market institute thank you both for being here because so it's not just progressives and liberals who are appalled by donald trump's attempt to draw false

equivalency between racist neo nazis and anti-racist counter protesters republicans too are now openly disavowing the president's remarks mitt romney for example said in a tweet tuesday no not the same one side is racist bigoted not. see the other side opposes racism and bigotry morally different universes speaker of the house paul ryan meanwhile sent out a statement saying we must be clear while supremacy white supremacy is repulsive this bigotry is counter to all this country stands for there can be no moral ambiguity and graham john mccain john k. sick of all these should similar statements condemning the president's words corporate america is also ditching trump and after multiple c.e.o.'s resigned in protest over its is charlottesville remarks he was forced to disband his business advisory councils earlier this afternoon so is this the end of the line for trump if the institutional republican party begins to abandon him if fox news begins to

abandon him it seems to me that is just a very short distance from that to the richard nixon scenario where he's threatened by his own party with impeachment and he says screw it i'm quitting it's more than just his own party right so on that advisory council there was thirty seven c.e.o.'s on it seven of them had resigned earlier today twelve come out with statements against the president but the president has attacked his attorney general he's done policies that is d.-o. did his secretary of defense didn't support he's not done anything that said that secretary taylor said once if he's gone after the senate itself he is ostracizing not just the senate and not just the republican party but his own administration and so all he's going to have left is actually smaller than what richard nixon have always going to have is the white house and i think that itself is scary and interesting to look at what a president a lone in the white house can do i think it's probably still quite

a bit and that's where it becomes frightening and the biggest power is a curse to throw nukes and threaten to do that with both iran and north korea that's makes it even raises the stakes david the the bar for impeachment is both high and low you know it's defined in the constitution as high crimes and mr mean. whatever that means but that's the problem i think that i think the framers of the constitution intended that to be you know really big stuff and and instead i don't i don't know enough about the inner johnson impeachment but you know with the bill clinton impeachment i think it retrospect we can all say that that was really about not a great deal not about the kind of crime that should depose a president who clearly the senate agreed on that but he's in violation of the emoluments bill cause the constitution right now with the with the lease on the washington d.c. hotel legislate well you know it takes a court to be able to determine whether or not he's actually yeah ok i'll give you that or the summit. action is similarly yeah so i mean you don't even have to wait

for robert mueller to come back and say you know dirty deeds were done you've got the emoluments clause you've. argued a bully seen this argument made by a number of people on twitter today although you know i think it's probably the weakest argument by defending basically seditionists he's been encouraging sedition defending the confederacy and that that's a stretch but i think it's just as much of a stress stretch as going after bill clinton for lying about having sex what are your thoughts about you know how what kind of a risk this guy is in america you know a lot of people have said from the very beginning like oh he can never win with with having said certain things oh then he won oh he can't say it off because he's done this or that and this is i think another example of a terrible thing that he's done absolute terrible but is this the beginning the end not necessarily because ultimately we have an independent best a geisha and sure ok so there may be questions about the closet other constitutionally questionable activities by the president but if if anybody's going to take the step to try to impeach him which i don't really see it happening it's

going to be some good it's going to be something big is going to be something that they know they can win on the first rule of politics or do stuff you know you can win on not kind of like oh maybe we i don't see it happening interesting so don't either of you think the republican party is ready to pull the plug on trouble now. i think they've already kind of pulled the plug on him i mean. they they haven't really gone out of their way to support what trump wants on tax reform or health care they haven't they haven't really furthered his agenda on any of his policies every time he comes out and makes a gaffe they don't defend him they throw him under the bus which they should like they like this i mean i'm i'm not going to support what donald trump said or did but just looking at it objectively nobody has been defending him so i think they've already abandoned him the white house is a lonely place and it's getting lonelier because the president keeps pushing himself into the the the institutional republican party though is largely

a wholly owned subsidiary of you know a couple of dozen major polluting corporations and a couple of billionaires i mean you know the democratic party is another hollywood so you know i won't dispute that the democratic party has its problems but we're talking about the republicans right now and i mean do the proof of that is that most republicans are willing to lie about science you know in order to satisfy the billionaires who fund them and and i'm just was wondering at what point do the billionaires who really control the republican party i mean you know if the koch network twitches and you know republicans all over the country sir get shivers at what point do they say to the billionaire and say we're we're pulling the plug on this guy i think isn't pulling the plug and pulling the trigger pulling a plug would mean removing and removing all support perhaps it was a poor poor statement what i'm saying is removing support is different than actually trying to impeach somebody for a big difference you know if everyone said ok you know we're not going to portray him or we're not going to do this that's one thing and you can still be present with having zero support in congress he already has pretty few if you support in

the senate i think zero out of a hundred senators as you like him but it's a whole different thing to actually try to use that phrase again try to actually impeach somebody totally different i get what you meant by trigger you know just initiate international republicans have some. serious soul searching to do after saturday's deadly terrorist attack in charlottesville virginia not only have they encouraged the racism that drove james alex field to ram his car into a crowd of protesters they've also literally tried to decriminalize ran in your car into crowds of protesters right wing lawmakers in at least six states have put forward bills to protect from civil and even criminal liability drivers who kill or injure protesters and if that wasn't bad enough right wing media outlets have also glorified running over protesters for example back in january the daily caller mike rouse posted a video of trucks and cars bumping protesters and told his readers to study the technique because it may prove useful in the next four years does this just go to

show how little difference there is between the institutional republican party and the so-called all right and don't republicans have to take some responsibility for what happened saturday and the people who did what happened on saturday you need to take responsibility for that you know you can you can have other people can try to blame a large organization they're saying we're here because of donald trump we work for donald trump we've voted for donald trump we endorsed trump and there are other people who also voted for don't trump who are not races who are not fast and who are not believers in what happened on saturday without a doubt just because some crazy people like david duke and some of the right people which is awful doesn't mean that's an entire entire organization i don't think republicans across the country need to take ownership of what happened in charge of charlottesville i think that the president when addressing the situation should have taken ownership of what happened in charlottesville i think the people in charlottesville in and you mentioned john though. earlier john a caldwell is on the

show he was he was on fox news crying about this today or and you know it's a big issue in the fact that the point that he made in that interview was that you don't march nicely next to a nazi and so the people around this phrase was palin around with the. people in charlottesville do need to understand that this is what they were supporting in that this wasn't a guy that was you know going through a crowd slowly and just hit the accelerator an accident he started back at the top of a hill gassed it and actually thought he was going to make it through this was the this was a despicable act that needed to be called out for what it was but a musical are treated like doing that which is despicable awful bad but on the other hand you have people who protest on freeways who go in the middle of a freeway a five lane freeway in san diego remember just because they were protest what should there be a death penalty for them if someone crosses the freeway

a major intersection or something like that in a protest and somebody inadvertently hit somebody and that's actually where i completely disagree where i do think and i think laws already protect this and this is where i mean there's sometimes the left proposes laws them like there's already laws that exist you know for the hate crimes bills energy are you able to kill somebody but there's there's the people if you threaten my family while i'm in my car i'm going to get out of that situation but i mean you watch the video the peaceful protesters walking around these cars they're not trying to light the torch is on fire like the end they fall dead in the d.c. during the inauguration that wasn't happening these were just people going about what they were doing and trying to get along and by the way that was not to the best of my knowledge it was not the that was the black bloc guys and there's i think that i believe there's a different story up i'm sure there are there is about seven of the defier you know i guess it's moving along and we just have a minute here fines for big polluters are way down into the trump administration

fact according to a new report from the environmental integrity project a trumpet ministrations collected just twelve million dollars in penalties from pollution polluters over the first six months the clinton bush and obama administrations averaged thirty million anneliese over that same time this is a sixty percent drop whatever happened to the law and order. the lizard threat president trump is cutting pollution already this is an amazing thing i'm doing i you should have like a party a party hat on and something i mean look this is the sears store it is really all that that number isn't in it though where the president has gone through it and we're with the e.p.a. to cut a whole lot of of and re-evaluate a lot of regulations and as such i think they're taking a step back and say ok before we start to sue people and actually collect fines were to reevaluate what's really important and what's not you know you can't stop pruitt locked in the in the top floor of the e.p.a. building with with armed guards you can no longer go up to even the floor that is offices on without an escort he leaves the building to use his phone when he stuck

into his his industry buddies i mean it's totally bizarre and i mean he had them he had them he had them do away with a rule that protected people from from you know pollution from from these factories and then ordered them not to publish that they had done away with the rule well they're all totally bizarre stuff this is the new york times and they're also real guy with stuff like like was the us which defined it lake as as basically any little puddle of water it's like that's going to end up in your drinking water yes a little bit yes a little puddle if we're going to end up in your drinking water that is actually part of the water so it actually says the bill this does not constitute a puddle that's what there's been guard for specific there is being guards in every of these buildings and all of the buildings for years so just say that one secretary is protected by security is times it's from secretary do you think august of scott pruitt is in secret doing all this stuff dave charles great to have you both thank you coming up donald trump campaigned on making our trade deals better

for american workers but as nafta renegotiations officially began could he actually be making them worse off melinda st louis right after the break. all the feeling of. every the experience. and you get it on the old low. according to just. come along for the.

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start out by playing a clip of robert light eyes or the u.s. trade representative speaking of nafta here is. i want to be clear that he is not interested in a mere tweaking of a few provisions and a couple of updated chapters we feel that nafta has fundamentally failed many many americans and needs major improvement. can we agree with those and if so does that mean the light eyes are in the trump people are going to take the stuff on the right road so for decades citizens' groups like ours and trade unions environmental groups have have said that nafta has been in many ways an unmitigated disaster for people in the united states mexico and canada and it is critical for there to be a replacement of nafta and we've been calling for that project it's now the question of whether this three negotiation is going to get us there is very much an

open question we need to see what what actually happens we would and what is important as you said president trump said that he wanted to make it the deal a lot better for working people while we have a list of very clear demands of what needs to be in and out that we have been advocating for decades and it beginning with the provisions at the heart of nafta that incentivize job offshoring and allow multinational corporations to attack attack our laws so will they do that we will be watching that very closely the dynamic that concerns me is and please correct me if you think i'm wrong on those you said mexico the united states and canada have all basically lost with nafta the winners from my point of view have been the transnational corporations and the billionaires who own them or who are made rich by them and those transnational corporations and those billionaires also largely own the entire republican party

and. you know and not them specifically i don't think that there's any international manufacturers on trump's interims cabinet i think it will be a ross i think he's just a traitor isn't a you know it's and he had so many oh he has ok so and so i just you know i'm not sure that. that he has a team that can pull this thing off you know he's certainly not in the party i mean every single trade deal with the exception of p.n.t.r. which. and every other trade deal passed congress the both the house and the senate with a majority democratic opposition and majority republican you know in favor of it and you know is this party going to change their spots as it were well it's certainly clear that within the administration there are some internal divisions u.s. trade representative les hisor has been talking about a fundamental change in nafta again which remains to see what that means but then

we also see if it's our commerce secretary wilbur ross who has said the t.p. ph should be the basis for an after renegotiation of transfers if it partnership which was the the most terrible deal that that. could not receive a majority in congress and then donald trump withdrew from those negotiations saying from the deal saying that it was the worst agreement ever so so we see this internal division we and it will remain to be seen what and what's very worrying at this point is that what we need to see to know in whose interests this is going to be negotiated is going to be the large corporations or is it going to be the people we need to see what is being negotiated we've been demanding transparency for years and unfortunately the negotiations started today the same closed process the same five hundred corporate advisors who have access to the text while the public are locked out have been influencing the negotiations and we have not and in fact

they've doubled down on the secrecy they didn't even have any even a little bit of stakeholder input in the round which at least during the t.p. there was some of that so it's that's very worrying and so and so then you wonder what you know in whose interest these were actually going to see the negotiations when we you know again we've been very clear and actually many democrats in congress as you've mentioned have been very clear for years about what about what should and should not be in these agreements we have to take. take out these these extreme player villages for corporations to sue our government to get unlimited taxpayer money over our our environmental love and now chapter eleven exactly this investor state dispute settlement that empowers multinational corporate agents to attack our laws before tribunals and three corporate lawyers and already three hundred ninety two million dollars have been paid by taxpayers to corporations under these now fdic cases there's thirty six billion dollars pending and and we

need to the first thing we have to say is that has to come out or or they are not serious about really fixing this to benefit working people and the planet and in all three countries and so so that will be the first thing we're looking for and then we need to see the the fact that we have to import food that doesn't meet our domestic safety standards is a nafta you know we deregulate services like trucking and wall street those those those rules need to be taken out we need to we need to address these intellectual property rules that make medicine prices that keep medicine prices so high in the u.s. these rules that undermined by local and by american policies where we can invest our tax dollars locally there's there's a whole list of things that would actually benefit and actually could benefit us jobs because we have seen in nafta that nine hundred ten thousand jobs are

certified as being lost by nafta under one narrow government program that is a severe undercount and that there's certified as being lost by nafta and we need to get rid of these incentives to offshore jobs and we need to lift up the living standards in all three countries need to hope to have forcible labor and environmental provisions in the in this deal otherwise you know we can't tweak this and say that they fix it if it's entirely being. by five hundred corporate leaders i know it's that's that's depressing. tell me about a trade deficit it's you know why everybody's always hysterical about budget deficit some of it in the federal debt and you know that that history i think is largely misplaced frankly the federal debt is private savings and the one time we paid off our national debt we actually during the energy actually ministration went into the deepest and longest depression in the history of the united states but the

trade as a whole different thing the trade deficit talk about so nafta and what actually increased our trade deficit enormously it what we went from a small trade surplus with canada and mexico to a massive trade deficit in the in the twenty four years of nafta and and and this does have a direct impact on jobs because while you have to look at that there are jobs that are supported by exports but then there are jobs that are displaced by imports and when you look at the net that actually does have a significant jobs impact and we and and so it is important it's right to actually look at the trade deficit and to and to rebalance that and but and part of the way that you do that is address these rules that actually incentivised the job offshoring like the chapter eleven and the other i read recently that one seventh

of all as you know states are now foreign owned and that the reason and that this is a result of the fact that starting basically in the eighty's during the reagan administration we had a trade surplus when reagan came into office there a trade deficit by the time he left office and that trade deficit is money that we owe other countries you know dollars go overseas and those those companies and countries for that matter you know china one of the same the countries in the companies the only. they can alternately spend the money since it's us dollars who's coming to the united states and buying houses buying buildings one company is you know and one seventh of our assets and it's all because of this trade deficit is it not yes i mean it is a huge issue and in fact it but i think that it's been played in the wrong way by the administration and saying you know is that mexicans are winning versus the u.s. losing why me what we've seen is and i think it's what you said it's large

corporations that actually it's often u.s. corporations that actually go and then export back to the united states because they're taking advantage of the low wages and working conditions in mexico so so it so it is important to to address this in but we really need to be looking at at and at the rules and in whose interests are they benefiting and we certainly can't have it benefit the the u.s. public and then the people of mexico if it's the largest corporations that are influencing these negotiations will trump have fast track power on those yes he will so what you know what's the consequence of the so what that means is that so fast track is the is basically congress handcuffing themselves and and not an agreement would be negotiated by the trumpet ministration and then it comes back to congress if it's concluded for an up or down vote with no amendments and of in

a fast track to proceed journalist and no filibuster exactly as a simple majority and the house and senate and and the t p p the transpacific partnership was not able to achieve a majority in congress because even even under fast track because there was such opposition to this and in order for that this deal to be and i think what you said at the beginning about the republicans in congress they don't they want the status quo they do not want any change. and so if the trump administration does actually want to deliver on some of these promises they made to the voters who elected them they're going to have to make changes and they're going to have to make many of the changes that democrats have been demanding to to to get the kind of coalition the reverse of the tepee colas is that it's going to get very very interesting and wondering thanks so much for yes think it's great having always great it and that's the way it is tonight and don't forget democracy is not a spectator sport get out there get active tag your it.

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