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injury and of course i'm a want to be. it's a good life to beatrice that's what before three in the morning can't be good that i'm interested always in the waters of my. first sip. the next election will be in twenty twenty under you is that absolutely certain i'm not going to be calling a snap election. we are live in downing street where the prime minister is due soon a a significant announcement i have just chaired a meeting of the cabinet where we agreed that the government should cool a general election another year another election. potence accuse the prime minister
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of breaking her word and of pursuing a cynical plan for party political advantage the polls for example showing massive leads for the conservatives much of the media establishment are saying this election is a foregone conclusion campaigning ahead of the u.k. general election was immediately suspended after the attack in manchester there is to be frank far too much tolerance of extremism in our country you need to look at saudi and qatar the forming of mosques in this country a number of polls in the u.k. are showing a large drop in support for prime minister theresa theresa may changes have a manifesto policy on social care after just four days but insists it's not a u. turn nothing has changed. nothing has changed the polls are once again the shifting be conservative leaders narrowed considerably it may come down to the scottish national party to be the kingmakers what was a sure bet from the start of the campaign is now not so obvious that it's all go
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forward together for the man not the do what i want you to have your choice over your future. buds trying to seventeen. he's going to be a. disaster for me. is going underground on the green outside the british parliament. makes a deal with the political group previously linked to protestant paramilitaries some argue it's like jeremy corbyn had won the british prime minister in a coalition with. previously linked to the ira coming up in the show.
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the boss of britain's biggest union. to. join what do you think your electoral game say about media power in britain in terms of the way we've been treated by the written press. to say the least some of the most vicious personal attacks that i've ever seen on a politician in some ways that's what you expect. from some. i think the offended number of people also went for our families as well which is unacceptable i think and people have rejected that. so they've cut through all of them instead because we get legislation we get relatively balanced broadcast media coverage. if i was a newspaper editor. thinking our views page after page after page for nearly
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six weeks of denigration. and. so maybe. reporting the news that would be helpful for the balance media restrictions of the election has happened do you expect the media to continue to. expect them to live up to the. founders that the general public now now want which is fair fair coverage proper debate a move away from personalities the culture and policy and whatever happens you think renationalisation of monopoly utilities and attempts to stop people having to use food banks is firmly on the political agenda manifesto for it to be extremely popular and we tested a number of individual policies and poems or other did and proved to be extremely popular i think because people felt that there are concerns of the water industry or energy industries or they felt were being ripped off and that had enough of them especially thank you very much len what do you think of the bias of the b.b.c. during this campaign well i think the bias of the media spin something has been
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regressive including the b.b.c. and i hope that what will. this particular election as the. rejection of the negativity that the turris and the british media of try to portray surely it's time for us to get back to them across a debate where those differences i don't know how difficult it is to take knighthoods are right but i think in crowds we could be happy that he got his knighthood last time because this time he wouldn't even get a caustic. lorica answer berger's just here was done by the b.b.c. trust for bias against corbin what did you think what did you think of the way for instance the b.b.c. was done by the b.b.c. child i've just told you i didn't i didn't i didn't i don't believe that. the british media in general of been if. to jeremy corbin in particular the violet tax that he's had to put up with on the license that literally ordinary
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people have rejected. decided to look at policies look at a decent genuine honest man and give them rewards and the rewards i believe will be a step towards governments in hopefully the not too distant future you can now do you think aaron banks and the bad boys. anything and. take risks public. thinking about negotiations. with the. british. you know the indications that the position of. the british government really is going in. it's a big victory for the. quickly from everyone saying you couldn't
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huge in that. and certainly that is going to be. something that. you have to do you. have any. big retail policy that was saying that this is something that's really popular and you can get behind i think also a seven week election where you're not really gauging that much you're repeating strong and stable constantly but not engaging in terms of interviews not in debates not in terms of going out and about meeting the public i think that was quite difficult and a tall order as well but it is the opposite of what happened to you you thought you were going to lose them cameron was going to lose and you were well we don't quite like that we spent a lot of time in twenty fifteen getting on a bus to to the west country and really trying to win all those seats the media failed to spot it and said it's impossible for you to win in fact it was an impossible and everything came together and we did win what's fascinating is that
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you're right the reverse this time everybody thought it was impossible for it to lose and she seems to have lost in the sense that she's not got an overall majority of the problems of an echo chamber being developing when you're sitting inside downing street i think there's massive issues here in that the commentary is getting it wrong on such a regular basis and they're basing it on information that constantly seems to be a bit dodgy really so you're absolutely right to raise it as an issue who would now confidently predict elections in for some vindication of a few opinion polls just like maybe you go of to a point they actually predicted this but about four or five days ago and actually the last polls was saying that because it's a pretty similar to be having a seven point. victory so look nobody's covered in glory when this in terms of the commentary or in terms of pollsters because it's not down to one member jim messina who failed spectacularly with hillary clinton after being successful with obama. is
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it a beltway problem like it was in d.c. for clinton this other global jasmine's out of people thought the kind of techniques that we used by a bomb the first in two thousand and eight which is very very focused very very specific digital campaigning targeting people was the answer to everything and that's something that some polls have been a so. i think quite a few examples where that hasn't quite worked in a number of occasions so i think there are going to be huge questions for pollsters and political strategists in retrospect was the dementia tax a attempt to bring progressive politics into the. some might say was to the left of corban it was definitely attempt to solve one of the biggest problems of our age which is people can afford their futures because they're living longer now there is no solution to that that doesn't involve spending a lot of money and no political party is going to come up with a solution that is going to be wildly popular the problem is doing it in the middle of an election campaign when you haven't rolled the pitch you haven't prepared people for it and that turned out to be
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a completely disastrous thing but you wouldn't expect any other prior tory leader to bring in a policy to solve that conundrum by taking it from the core. demographic vote of the conservative party i think you wouldn't expect somebody to do it in the middle of an election campaign without having reprieve all the page people about it and that was definitely a huge mistake and the fact that they you turned a few days later was clearly seen as a huge problem because there wasn't really that much else in the manifesto that actually looked good or look strong what about the impact of terrorism because jeremy corbyn. very quick to talk about racism a cozying up to the saudis who according to wiki leaks it shows that there is the sourcing for isis money comes from the persian gulf it's hard to say what impact terrorism had on this election theresa may was criticised for having cut police numbers by twenty thousand jeremy corbin for having being seen by many people as being a kind of terrorists friend neither of them came out of that debate particularly
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well but one thing i will say was that public service is an austerity certainly seems to have been a bigger issue in this election than most people thought it would be so was it the economy stupid i mean wouldn't you have told him that it's always the economy stupid in different manifestations people are. public services in this country people are concerned about. people have got lots of interpretations about what breaks it means the truth nobody really knows anything but we. wouldn't have been better if labor wins. because the economy is about to tank that's always a difficult game to play you want to win any election that's in front of you it's better to be empowered than not to be in power because you never know what's going to come up so i think playing that game is a bit sort of dodgy. the biggest issue facing this country is definitely breaks a. situation where.
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because they don't have the backing of the house of commons. to be blaming the. i don't know that it's necessarily going to be. because that's just the reality we lost the referendum on the e.u. when i was responsible and you get a lot of criticism if you're on a campaign that fails and so i think that's fairly inevitable in this case ok thank you you thank
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washington washington. voters elected the businessman to run this country business. you must it's not business as usual it's business like it's never been done before. welcome back i'm joined now by the internationally famous comedian tom walker who plays a news journalist character jonathan pie in a world tour that starting next year thanks for coming by the going under a tent war zone where it is a media war zone on college great if you make of the journalists out there very similar to the john pike character where whenever i meet a journalist they always assume i used to be a journalist and they there is always a look of recognition because the way you do it is so similar to the way the i guess it well there's always that's there's there was that particular voice as well you know you know there's always but you know to do you know funny voices with me
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well enough and one on earth is going on with this election ok it's crazy i mean i'm a bit of a lefty so you know i couldn't i think it's a great result for labor you know i just said if labor again to see until results to say that's a win for labor what she's done rather than creating a strong and stable government she has hopefully create a strong stable opposition which i think is an amazing thing for democracy no matter what your politics are when it comes to expectations are they affected here's the way that broadcasting voice of authority if you yourself with having doubts about the success of goldman's message in britain by the way they say i thought his i thought his message was loud and clear i just i wondered whether it might have been too little too late and the electorate the electorate are pretty fickle as we know. and i have no reason to doubt the polls this time. we didn't have any reason to doubt i suppose that the trump poll so we didn't get the bricks at all from the last election i mean the last election was such
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a shock which weeks kind of forget so what do you think about to resume for me going with the d p one is bonkers and going to the queen. i think is the largest party she has probably got. she's got a g t to try and form a government i guess more. so then labor and i also wonder whether labor are actually in a better position to be in opposition at the moment i wonder whether they're quite ready for government yet because you've got all these playwrights within the labor party that have only been up and gone jeremy colvin it's all right isn't it for the first time you know so it's going to take a little while for for all the blair writes in the centrists in the labor party to finally get behind their leader you know take them a few days to get used to that. yeah a few of those red so-called red tory blair right near liberals they said to me you know war. labor would have done much better and it would be no interest me i think for one of those other nonsense but what's the difference between me and smith you
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may as well go for may because they're too center right parties oh that's what that's what labor would be back to being a blairite new labor it would be back to that he won this election because you look at the manifesto use his manifesto was do whatever your politics is his manifesto was demonstrably better and it was a socialist left wing manifesto because he had nothing to lose and then the country have looked at that and gone oh my god some social housing some social equality. trying to eradicate homelessness i can get on board with that rather than strong and stable government but the labor red tories are those that say they still appear to be saying and these are the same people who sympathize with walking through the lobby with theresa may for the austerity cuts on benefits or the still thing that has to be done because most of those people in labor that say that would be out of a job today if it wasn't for corbin's campaign and actually if those people had got behind called maybe there is no doubt in my mind that they'd be walking into
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government right now but they didn't and i've had. anecdotal. evidence of labor m.p.'s on the doorstep thing their leader well if you hadn't done that you might want to few more seats and you'd be in government right now what is the scale of the treachery even if you sit. involvement thanks to jeremy goldman's leadership was also going to balloon him still hate it because the reason they've always hated him is because he's unelectable while he's just he just. avoided a landslide against him you know that a socialist agenda does not play well with the electorate it's totally been debunked the idea that they're wrong that the centrists the blairites they are they've just been proved wrong i thought this was going to be a funny interview that while i make love to. all the rest of it but this of course does have serious consequences in the immediate future for the national health service for the food banks and all the things you talk about your comedy routine
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and. how i will be able to be able to cope with because she can't now steamroller over everything she wants you know if she does manage to form a government you've got only a strong opposition and not a strong opposition of tory light opposition you've got a socialist left wing agenda and whether your politics is is not left wing or right wing government and a left wing opposition that's how our system works that's what that's when it is healthiest i'm not i'm not sure a hung parliament is it's the best thing for us but i think our democracy is in a healthier position today than it was just going to the young people of your. gig . and of course people said it was the young turnout that helped so much you know there's some of them including for the first time what do you think they're going to make of the effect of their vote of course mainly for cool well i think they should feel elated i think there's a lot of young people who are going to be angry now i think there's
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a lot of young people who might think well we didn't win the election but in my view we did it can't be underestimated the treatment when you look back at the start of this campaign there were some pundits it was now the realms of possibility were saying the trees mate was going to walk back into number ten with a majority of two hundred well. she somehow she's now all right she's still the largest party but it isn't dropping. she got small and never missing coping well. politics never ceases to amaze and when you think about the embankment not just broadcast journalism the press itself is a massive failure of the room and. the oligarchs and. pretty much any shows the power social media i mean i'm always a bit dubious of the power of social media because i think a lot of it is just being in your own echo chamber i think but i think social media really did encourage the young people to get out and vote because they're being bombarded by all their mates going to vote vote vote vote vote you must vote was it
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in fact the conservatives that are in their own echo chamber or trays of believing choosing the way it works both ways i think yeah i think it works both ways but you know you can't blame theresa may for looking at the polls just before she got that she told the election of going it's a no brainer let's call it the election and you can't blame people for trusting those polls really i mean what's around it is because people stick out. well then you get into the bible cause teleco shah. well now with me outside the palace of westminster makeshift studio is the broadcaster of all the liberal democrat member of parliament. break during the course of events what did you think when. you may finally released that statement saying i met the queen at twelve thirty and very quickly went on to saying after she said i am the prime minister that she would protect us from terror attacks like
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manchester and london bridge i don't think she's been following the election results because it gave the impression that she thought she had the legitimacy to continue as prime minister to hold on a second now to reason may be decided. to cause an election notwithstanding the fact we need to have them every five years by statute she could to stop now to two years and said i want to mandate for breakfast and then it went the other way in other words she didn't get the mandate which is saying carry on regardless of what she said best of three tell me about the diva that is now part of the ruling coalition of this country her lifeline here is the democratic unionist party which is a loyalist party dedicated to keeping the north of ireland in the united kingdom there is a natural alliance between the conservative and unionist party think that's what the technically called and the do you pay but these people are clever negotiators when
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i was shot at texas state for northern ireland i saw what they extracted as a deal from tony blair in exchange for votes and it comes to millions they're great at getting public funds for example. if the reason may think there's going to be a small price tag here so you can think again they are going to be intransigent because they hold the keys to power not of the trees are made but for three hundred eighteen or three hundred ninety nine paise. very likeable people in my view but they're not the kind of people you want to be beholden to because they'll probably win the negotiation there was some social media that there was a strange kind of hypocrisy here because juries are made criticised corbin for being a supporter of the ira when the. glee is aligned with partisan paramilitary groups in the north we all know that the ira were in direct talks with the british government up the british governments perhaps right back in the early one nine hundred seventy s. different colored governments but the same narrative how did the peace process work
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if not by negotiation and dialogue what's interesting though is that it didn't really affect will tarnish gary coleman more than that actually you might have got respect for it because anyone who knows a pressing about peace talks knows you have to speak to the enemy really good. and he. was prepared to speak publicly while conservatives were indeed in private maybe. they'd rather do. a progressive coalition with labor in the palace of westminster. they'd rather have a deep element in the british government than a progressive alerts dot's writes but i can explain that while the d.p. and the conservatives are in a way ironic as an alliance based on all the connections the shin failing point is about
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a principle which they set years ago that they won't sit and not building i used to talk to them and say why don't you come in and make your case there are no we can't do that we can't do that on principle i wouldn't even begin to try to persuade them about that what ever reasons it's just their reasons if they don't like the color of the carpet whatever it is they're not going to go in there so those seven are out of play but here's the interesting consequence it means that we have got six hundred fifty active parliamentarians in that we've got six hundred forty two if you exclude the speaker and the seventeen fane m.p.'s that makes another two deputies and that is actually going to read all it's up to the election you double things take away the nobody first that's right and then then you produce like the call that you were thinking of at the beginning and the cards are wild card here because it basically means that series mates trying to get a majority from around six hundred four that's around three hundred twenty three hundred twenty one just gets over the line of the d.p. but what kind of a wild alliance is that they want about the liberal democrat performance
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a great success for tim farron establishing his leadership is someone who's going to bring back the party of lloyd george they had nine m.p.'s just before the election they went up with twelve and within that they lost five of the nine they were defending but scooped up these other seats and regained some that they had up to twenty fifteen to make up the difference that's a fact the first form of spin is it's a fifty percent increase well yeah for more people saying instead of being paid ten pence for doing this interview i get fifteen pence which i would be grateful for by the way the third way of looking. it is the first time the number of live demo and police increase since the days of charles kennedy around two thousand and five that was the peak point but that was sixty three and pace to go up by something like four or five at a time means that to get to that level will take about fifteen elections luckily
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since treason a strategy seems to have enough elections until to get to result probably others fifteen in the next five years it's arguable whether one can really understand the so-called red tories on corbin's backbenchers peter mandelson was just over there seeming to say he was pleasantly surprised by what sort of fight do you think your record is going to have from the very m.p.'s that benefited from his manifesto arguably but who plainly don't share his release offical believe that peter mandelson said he was pleasantly surprised that means he was using unrepeatable language behind closed doors about what coburn actually achieved he might only be pleased about that because coburn represents everything that new labor was against and here's the problem they've already tried to stop calling first time round he wouldn't have even had enough nominations if people hadn't felt sorry for him then they tried to get any increased his share of the vote and now just when everyone thought it was time to accept the and behold he's increased the number of m.p.'s
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for the first time since tony blair did in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven he's the most successful labor party leader in recent times since tony blair was never in mandelson's plan it also means that we have moved on quite roundly from the new labor agenda to. very clear left wing agenda he can write the ticket now and he if you place this right in a funk correct about thinking this could be another general election soon if he can portray himself as the reasonable left leaning likable prime minister and waiting. the. big thank you. hope you enjoyed that requested favorite from the latest season going on the ground will be back with another great season going on saturday the second of september but till then keep in touch by social media will still be reading lol your communication with the team.
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