on larry king now the breakout star writer and creator of insecurity. it was. trying to break into the industry and be told no your work doesn't really have an audience nobody's looking in creating work online where at an audience of people are like oh this is great i fell late i just conflict because i grew up in predominately white neighborhoods where. you're not like other black. i'm black so does that mean any black people just be on my. back or do better this company. money you look great. understand that you sing your song on insecure call broken.

and i don't know how you break it put explained it to me all next on larry king now . welcome to larry king our special guest is isa ray the golden globe nominated breakout star writer and creator of the emmy nominated a speedo series in secure he said heads are wrong content company called presents a collection of essays was a new york times best seller she's been named to forbes thirty on the thirty m. glamours thirty five under thirty five less and she recently graced the cover of the hollywood reporter now in its second season airs sundays attempt thirty pm on h.b.o. now this was digital genesis this was a webpage show so i created a web so called them in. benches of awkward black girl in two thousand and eleven

and this show was sort of. inspired by and secure was inspired by that web series but it's a more version that's a bit more grounded and closer to my life what were you doing before you created the world should work and working several jobs working actors no i wish i could get a job as an ashes i was working. at a museum i was working in a nonprofit world so how did you get the idea to do web show what i came up with that idea in college you know my most successful web series was my third web series and i created my very first one when i was just a board procrastinating senior in college and wanted to figure out a way to justify using facebook and youtube out of time and was like yeah i could create like a soap opera basically about what it's like to be black at stanford and it was while i was simultaneously trying to break into the industry just tradition traditionally by writing spec scripts and pilot scripts and things like that and

then being told no your work doesn't really have an audience nobody's looking for that and then creating work online where i had an audience and people were like oh this is great and that first show my senior year of colleagues you know i always remember why i have direct access to an audience i should probably keep doing this and you know then five years later i came up with the awkward black girl series that was stanford equal to its reputation it was a great school with great people who were it suited to hear how the city was not the you didn't like the i want to know this is a very. very secluded. not at the time that i was there you know i'm a big food year there were just a lot of asian spots you know chinese food and i was like why can't you do more now it's amazing now the city that they need so how does this lead from a web show to h.b.o. there were a lot of steps in between there are a lot of failures and false starts but. really just attention honestly that you

know once my one time launch my first episode it did way better than my other two have series and you know the first time that i was in some things i was kind of intimidated and. we raised money you know i didn't have any money while i was producing it i just had a lot of help to bring a date i didn't bring it to called me actually you know i i had other opportunities and other networks and then h.b.o. said hey we like this series do you have any other ideas that are with the title. i came up with as i don't just because that's how i felt i was writing in my journal one day and had an epiphany moment it was like oh i'm awkward period and black and i had never seen those two words together before and i felt like they perfectly describe me and describe characters i wanted to see on television because you know i related to tina fey and larry david in all these you know the white characters that i shared a sense of humor that i felt like i had but i didn't see people so it is

autobiographical. i would say without a biographical i would say that it's close to my life for sure you recently said quote we wanted to paint that this character's in between two worlds and is just in a constant state of discomfort she's not black enough for the black people not wide enough for the white people i felt like i just was constantly uncomfortable you know because i grew up in predominately white neighborhoods where white people be like you're not like other black people and i will i'm black so what does that mean and then you know some black people just being like. be back or do better and i was always trying just struggling with what the definition of blackness is and i found myself limiting black males as opposed to realizing that blackness can be so many other things and i think that's what inspired me as of late just also very open about sexuality right i mean yeah to an extent yeah other people think. more than

my own. is your own dormant. i wouldn't say that but i love that you know i just love talking about it i feel like conversation that was funny what's in store for the second. this second season explores sexuality whether dormant or active and it. just explores the you know black women kind of in the workplace you know we tackle equal play this season and we tackle. what i call it the whole phase where you know women go through a period in some time the system life time of sexual liberation ducats the whole thing yeah with with my with apprentice many are seventy million at sixty is their executive producer and other people to get h.b.o. is a terrific place as nice a great place and there's just so much freedom there and is a really smart like they make smart suggestions and they also know when to get out

of the way of something i know about well as i said are you originally from here. oh yeah i grew up in one of the hell of. it now you live here yeah porn raised from honestly it doesn't matter what i say can. go anywhere i say working which i misread also now. high school kids talk like we're going kids so how does it work to be honest. so have you been hit. i want to bring on board. how are you still saying. i guess is easier a the hit show was in secure water career you were going along oh it's a choice of words you were born in l.a. but spent years in senegal i did. i was very young i mean i was

probably four or five you know that when i went to kindergarten out there twice they had me back before i was a beautician yet he still is you supposed to be retired but he's not but yes he's a p.c. hero there he's here he has a clinic in inglewood does senegal have a great effect on you. there's some there's a confidence about just knowing where you come from and knowing that you know my family is there was there i think that that influence just how i saw myself in the world you know i'm an african-american you know quite literally and that my mom is from louisiana my dad is being in senegal where your race was the majority. that have an effect that different approach i mean looking back on it when i went back to visit in my you know high school and college years absolutely as a young girl i didn't quite see it that way just felt like the default and so. and i also didn't think about race as much as

a younger girl but you know as an older woman yeah absolutely. again it contributes to the confidence you feel in the comfort i feel around you know my own people mostly in the effect on your life of jerry seinfeld and larry david their sense of humor just in terms of making the mundane and the ordinary and the relatable extremely funny i just i love that i love and i at happened today in my own work with you know something my siblings and i in my family love to joke about are just our observations of people and they have their people and behaviors so thought well and you know i just wanted to do that for what i observed about you now black people in the workplace and. just other experiences that i've used that there's such a thing as segregated you more white you move versus black you know i think that touches on just seinfeld was a very white you know and there are a lot of you know they were in new york and there are

a lot of white people and i think her did a better job at shows like friends and i think growing. seeing that. even in standup comedy special they're always like white people be like in black people be like and that was kind of that kind of represented what the sit com era was to me of just like even executives being like well we can't put black people in this because you know black people don't find this kind of stuff funny there's you they were just assumptions when we were all watching the show you know black people watch the most television out of any group and so the idea that we couldn't be the leads in a thirty rock or and obviously that's created by tina fey but we can be the leads in friends because we're not relatable and we don't share this sense of humor i always found into the great malcolm x. . and he really point to things having said what's it like to not see yourself on television. i mean what's it like to live like i had the privilege of being able to see myself in the entire ninety's going to see versions

of myself and what i also saw was that taking away was that disappear i saw that disappear and alternative reflections of black women specifically shown on the screen where you know there were black women that i did not know that i did not necessarily recognize that were entertaining but weren't the people that now and i and that's kind of what compelled me to to create who i knew you put a lot of people on the show and secure you have to because they have to be actually surround myself with competent people so that i also feel more insecure. we're all in security are we in this business you have to be a secret you can't you you have to pretend like you're not to a degree which may be. somewhere and risotto and stroke me if he's not holding a script. for another movie use if he does never script an aerial he's panicked that's real that's one hundred percent real like i was just talking to

a producer like i'm always thinking about what the next movie is no matter what you know how great something is going right now you're always worrying about what's next. not many shows pushing a black woman as a star. in this era you to others say that again it's going to lead to more shows i think it already is i think sunday kind of started the wave with it with carrie and scandal and then you know you had executives saying scandal to hit let's just make more scandals have more black leads and then once those failed they were like well there has to be something else and i think there are more black create is and people of color creatives behind the scenes telling authentic stories on them and putting themselves as leaders or casting leads you think you will first do no no i was. you know i was an inspired first sure. i don't think of myself as the first part of seinfeld and larry david or two of your kind of heroes

but you more doesn't isn't the first thing that comes to mind when you think about you. i think i think i have a sense of humor for sure i think you need it but i don't think of myself as the first anything. coming up. tom's favorite vice trade places with for a day or some politics will be right back. our

culture is awash in lives dominated by streams of never ending electronic hallucinations that. fiction until they are indistinguishable we have become the most. society on politics as a species of endless and needless political politicians and celebrities are to ruling parties are in reality one part of corporate and those who attempt. to.

breathless universal make just trying to push through the cruelty and exploitation of the neo liberal force so far to the margins of society including by a public broadcasting system that has sold its soul for corporate money that we might as well be mice squeaking against an avalanche. we must. secure in that second season he tweeted in twenty fifteen the trump was everything that's wrong about america in one person still. yet so you're not shocked by any of this i'm still side i'm still devastated. not surprised not the best person where do you think it's going. does anybody know i just have a constant question mark you know a question mark of panic i'm not entirely sure i'm i'm optimistic that you know

just the fact about you what i do what could i possibly up to make you optimistic i think that worldcon there were uniting to a degree against him. but it's just a matter of turning that unity into actionable and actionable plan and actionable steps and i just i'm more aware than i've ever been ok we are going to play a game called if you only knew just throw some questions out there you don't have to answer them that's course not a quote martin just don't be nervous ok who is your childhood celebrity crush. dark skinned michael exact thing. why they left and they control. guilty pleasure. there's a song called vanderpump rules that i watch i buy it at the end of pump. yeah it would be a problem rule you call them vanderpump food and it applies to see good talent.

i don't know ok who would you trade places with for a day who. she's fine or does something we should all be paying more attention to. this president and stuff it's also luxury you can't live without. massages and best compliment you ever got. now that you have money you look great. strangers job you. have any strings yeah i've never had a strange show. do you have a favorite vice. i love talking people like via social media who stalked i cyber stalk people. because this is

a me it's entertaining i had to know about them they don't know i don't have to ask many questions it's just it's very intimate when something you wish you were better at life funny is fan encounter. i was going to the bathroom and someone recognized me via my show and said hey broken and they were in the stall next door to me and i thought that those funny it was funny think. best perk of being a celebrity. free stuff free food when i go to restaurants and they recognize this over me let me for food is there something you long believed to be true and realize wasn't. i mean i do believe in santa claus until i was like fourteen fourteen they did a really good job or you got arguments in school right i just thought that people didn't know they were cynical i felt sorry for them do you have

a boyfriend. not answering that well no i don't know not answering it. because this is you said i didn't have to carry the message is this some dry and great she good to know is this man anybody's business. ok fine you don't have to tell me i don't care i read about it in the enquirer anyway. we have a couple social media questions for you be new and as we did you find the strength to be so honest with you art you seem to be so steadfastly yourself and it's refreshing thank you there come from. the necessities this feeling like i will want to put what i wanted to see out there you know i was complaining a lot about what i was seeing and you know and in that commentary when i had a blog it was just like you talk a lot of math you know why don't you do something and i think that author empowered me to be like yes and then the validation of people responding to the work only

adds to the confidence. so you always kind of a stand up person. stand up and without speaking your mind oh no i've been passive aggressive and i think within a certain group of people but i think i've had to come in to openly speaking my mind i'm very reserved in siding for the most touchy world of is there anything that you want to bring from misadventures of war good black girl to insecure that just won't work out. to the more cast members i think we've had like cast members sprinkled in season one in season two but you know in a perfect world they all make pop up somehow some way and you good boss. i think so i think so and zone very hands on i have to be but i'm also very collaborative. same time yeah good alex jones and we're co-creator

larry wilmore have a guest star on insecurity we've talked about it we just have to find the perfect role i can e he's busy tell ask why can't you ask him. when you see him a lot i'm sure i'm going to see him tonight ask him. yeah you're right tell him my yes yes can ok will do weird black girl is the name i heard you say you were talking about me. couldn't fly i heard you say insecurity can't go on forever so what's next. that's the question i mean i want to do soul mates i want to i want to do you want to do i want to make films i want to produce i want to do stuff outside of the entertainment industry that i want to just take to meeting him isa really in ten years that's hard come on who are you want to make movies and do i want to i want to i want to have a studio. owners do. you make it thank you see it in your eyes you'll make it.

ok i understand that you sing your song on insecure call broken yeah i don't think i've ever said. it and i don't know how you break it but i mean explain that to me . it's really something that one of my best friends and i just an account as they say and came up with she was trying to just figure out like what was wrong i why i couldn't she keep a guy you know what was it about her bag kind of shiny guys and that repelled guys and i thought girl you might think it might be broken and we just found that larry is and then started talking in our voice in our vaginas the voices are talking in vagina voices basically and. the vagina was singing the rap song nama so in our lives yeah i mean. we had badges no voices what i had what i'd call it

where i wanted to move was so for example we were like. you know that guy was second for me and when he came over i was like it was like i don't think you. and so we just go back and forth and you know the guy was attractive with like god like you know and that's what i have a john with. your other friends do this with you just me and her. you right raps in real life. under the influence of alcohol you. have you recorded i have with my friends you have a brother not so no not probably some of them are kind of public but nothing serious that would say do you think you could be a rap singer no. the god of the town i think donald glover ruin it for everybody. what's the work life like each week on insecurity it's a lot of hours but you know it's it's fine you know i'm working with a lot of people that i love and respect and admire and it's just really

a lot of. it's a it's a labor of love do you gather there's a debut get together and how does it work when you reach scripts well we have a writer's room pretty much six to seven months out of the year and so i'm in that with them basically outlining the show and then we shoot this last this past season we shot for three months. monday through friday and simultaneously edited and now i'm literally editing the last episode as we speak shoot were all around the world around l.a. yeah allround south l.a. because that's where the show is centered which is where i grew up and just wanted to highlight a and a part of l.a. that hasn't gotten a lot of sign in the past this is city cooperate it was been great yeah they're very excited you know city officials have approached and then of course the silly city of l.a. it's just nice to have people filming here so used to us thank you so much

continued good luck thank you so much the stakes are really i guess the first step to the season of been secured airs sundays at ten thirty pm on h.b.o. as always you can find it on twitter king's things i'll see you next time. you're watching all of. a bachelor sudden passing i've only just learned. taking your last wrong turn.

knew it would i tell you i'm sorry. so i write these last words and. hopes to put to rest these things that i never got off my chest. i remember when we first met my life turned on each breath. but then my feeling started to change you talked about more like it was a game still some more fun to feel those that didn't like to question our arcade and i secretly promised to never again like it said one does not leave a funeral in the same as one enters the mind it's consumed with death this one quite different i speak to you now because there are no other takers. to claim that mainstream media has met its maker. odd. all the feeling of knowing the names of. everyone in the world should experience linda

and you'll get it on the old the old. the old according to a gesture. that the man will come along for there are. all the worlds and all the news companies merely players but what kind of parties are n.t. america play r.t. america offers more artsy america all personal. in many ways a news landscape is just like the few real moves big names good actors bad actors and in the end you could never know your audience so the car can be played all the world's a stage all the world's a stage all the world's a stage and we are definitely

a player. i do not know if the rush. state packed into john podesta scheme ailes and gave them to wiki leaks but i do know barack obama's director of national intelligence has not provided credible to support his claims of russia i also know he perjured himself in a senate hearing planned three months before the revelations provided by edward snowden he denied the deep n.s.a. was carrying out wholesale surveillance of the us. the hyperventilating corporate media has once again proved to be an echo chamber for government claims that cannot be verified you would have thought they would have learned something after serving as george w. bush's useful idiots in the lead up to the invasion of iraq. it is vitally important that the press remains rooted in a fact based universe especially when we enter an era when truth and fiction are becoming indistinguishable.

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