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they all come from the same lobbying firm multinational business services. already hired by philip morris to contest the effects of passive smoking on health and headed by a certain jim toth see a master of influence. amazingly in washington the heart of american power this lobbyist is still well established. as he never answered our requests for an interview we went to see him without an appointment with our documents in hand and a hidden camera. i . informed him to say yes he works here who are you is the difference in journalist i'm looking for. and i'm looking on the knob. of the new point
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meant no new i was just looking for him because i called from france but you this is a concern these days is the good news american lobbyists can be welcoming. we even managed to have jim talk to you on his cell phone there. are a couple of refrain here please. jim can you hear me. i want to ask you some questions susan system not to. work. because you have the set up a strategy to discredit to work for us con man you are so i wanted to know more about this. well. i don't know if you're just talking about.
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me and i know if you do your work in congress i'm going to ask you i can say no i'm going to have to as you believe. understand you if you like the welcoming lobbyist you love the angry one asking you to with no play enough to sleep now join each night leave you could lose your yes please please i am motoring you out can't just leave now that it's out. of here ok do you understand that you have a tough life. here and you cannot go back to. do you had to end like that. in the end mr trott's he did a great job well at least for the industrialist. back then and he pressed martin arguments were brought into the media spotlight. by this health journalist on a major national t.v. channel a few days after the publication of the famous study. let's get back to our hot dog
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study remember they asked the people did you eat a hot dog they didn't ask them did you put it in a bun did you put ketchup on it did you put mustard on. you might be saying who really cares one way or the other but that's important because it may be that it's not the hot dog at all that's causing this increased risk of cancer or maybe it's the bun maybe it's the ketchup maybe it's the mustard so you have to be careful when you read these studies not to say oh this causes this. the powers that be didn't go any farther than one nine hundred seventy s. nitrites file which could have resurfaced remains locked away. you're probably wondering what susan president thinks the woman targeted by the lobby. we showed her the documents and what upset her the most was seeing that fellow scientists had played along with the industrialists. these professors will get paid
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a huge amount to do a review by in this case probably the american media institute i mean thousands and thousands of dollars they probably get more from doing this kind of thing than they do from their regular jobs. seeing your name like this. my goodness a i gave a lot of people a lot of work. were you aware of this well i was aware that the processed meat community was concerned. but not aware of all the extent of this. twenty years on and she had turned the page. not of interest anymore that's how the public awareness of science goes it's of interest in that it's not of interest seen in all that work but today but it doesn't it doesn't matter i mean it's still in the literature and. it may influence
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people in future and it has influence people in the past and that's fine. but another scientist involved in the case has enjoyed a much more flourishing career. a scientist paid by the american meat institute to shoot down susan preston martin's work. david clear found. today david kerrville is head of the u.s. government's nutrition program and he's invited all over the world for a scientific conferences where he gives his experts point of view. totally independent. this week to. introduce reasons why the meat is important to the healthy diet it's been just. on that day he was in france speaking to scientists from around the world about meat and the link between processed meat
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and cancer in order to denounce backed up by a power point the climate of fear panic and even hysteria. then we know because we were there. it was right at the start of our investigation when we barely knew about nitrites and had the need of enlightened specialists to help us. so there are new reviews published this year that say nitrite is not harmful and others that say it is harmful. i don't think anybody really knows. definitively what the answer is. a few months after this handshake you can learn more about the industry and doubt bells started ringing. so we took advantage of our trip to america to ask him for another interview.
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only this time with a lot more cards up our sleeve. do you remember the american meat institute no never no i was interested in the scientists was interesting martin yes do you know her i know who she is i do not know her personally i do remember reading a paper on her desk for the american media institute you know i found this and it was prepared for the american need to institute. ok. this is something different yes. this was done twenty years ago roughly so. i had forgotten about that do you remember how much you were paid for this evaluation though i do not as i said it was twenty or twenty five years ago you didn't know when you were working for the american to do this or that philip morris
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was opening there. i'm not going to say yes or no at this point in time because it's more than twenty years ago did you know that the tobacco strategy moto was docked our product no i never heard that the twelve year productive to. that was not mine and that was not my intent my intent was to do an evaluation. if i had read these papers and. that there were not shortcomings in the papers that there would not deficiencies in the papers i don't think i would have criticized them but don't you think that your point of view would be stronger than your argument stronger if i hadn't found that you had been wrong by the american meat institute. no i don't i don't think that. would change it wouldn't change my point of view it might change your point of view that you tend
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to not believe what i'm saying because twenty five years ago i got some amount of money that i don't remember. for making progress he can't remember how much but he does remember getting paid. but you have to understand that the industry is a money making business so they're very risk averse they would not fund a study that. someone proposed to them that eating hot dogs increases the risk of childhood cancer why would they fund that you know they would only fund something that says proposes that childhood cancer is prevented by eating more hotdogs or there's no relationship you know that they're not going to fund a study that. is bad for their business. well at least he's honest much of the meat industry is lobbying depends on collaboration with paid scientists
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and that's still how things work. during a conference on processed meats and cancer. of french scientists confirmed that. there is no reference on the subject internationally renowned expert. he speaks and acts casually and doesn't get telling us how things work at five to give that's. just it was. speak to me. it's a. good point. to beat it to the. moon. because if you soon does it. it's because if you all get into. you should she meet. me at the. c.d.c.
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this. is going to be what you did was a mystery she didn't put on the. fears of people been saying about rejected and this is a. real. the show i go out of my way to launch you know a lot of the really packs a punch oh yeah it is the john oliver of marty americans do the same we are apparently better than the blue things that seem to see people you've never heard of love redacted tonight i'm president of the world bank so take your time to let me seriously send us an e-mail the local wal-mart selling you on the idea that dropping bombs brings police to the chicken hawks forcing you to fight the battles
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that still. produce offspring to tell you that what we gossip a template file for the most important. off the bad guys i'm telling you i'm not cool enough to buy their product. all the hawks that we along with our audience will watch. but you should when you can you learn to do you know melissa i know but mary and one million people don't die. he killed people even danger you. know no one's income to worry everybody's around him and that's.
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when those truths seem wrong when old rules just don't call. me. yet to shape our lives just becomes the ticket and in detroit equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. the two thousand and eight economic crisis turns some countries into pigs these are the countries with. needed austerity policies if you are in
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a situation. even the recession. very bad idea it doesn't work it makes millions of people very unhappy those who are unemployed see their wages decline. decade good other results. by the people. i mean to. sound like. they see something and not get it. while the same mission is still in place one of the consequences. of this is the truth the concern is that the consequences are actually quite acceptable to the decision maker.
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a few days later professor corp a said to some emails and photos of scientists he suspects of being close to the food industry. to americans he came across at a conference on meat and cancer. and nathan bryant. as we checked out these scientists profiles we discovered a document which should certainly never have been on the web. internal report issued by the american meat institute. it lays out the strategy for influencing the decisions of high profile organizations. this organization is the i r c you for national agency for research on cancer
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little. this institution based in the old france is the world wide reference on cancer. in two thousand and six. the scientists classified nitrites in the probably carcinogenic category of products group to. and that was bad for business. so lobbyists are fighting to have this classification changed. page sixty four of the document. change in the i.r.c. nitrate nitrate classification from two to be. possibly carcinogenic. the strategy has a name i am arcee challenged. it notably involves the two scientists we were interested in andrew wilkow sweet and nice and brian.
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armed with our brand new file it was time to set off to meet the meat sectors heavyweights. welcome to nashville tennessee the capital of country music and notably the hometown of johnny cash. it's here that the american meat institute is holding its annual conference. in this huge building to be precise. the meat industry in the u.s. is very very big business. all of the world's biggest players are here. smithfield number one import with a turnover of fourteen billion. dollars a year cargo the giant with thirty three billion dollars a year in crude alone and. enticing people all divisions
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record holder this year will mate with all of our divisions between b. or poultry and prepared between the thirty seven billion and forty billion dollars in revenue so it's a snowball many very small companies. and. we checked it's over forty one billion dollars. after half an hour we spot a face in the crowd that rings a bell. that will in their tasting nibbles at every stand. that's right page ninety two of the i.r.c. challenge document with the short hair the american me the institute senior vice president of public affairs janet riley. institute please sir you know i'm lieutenant try that now yes headlines on the new book i'm looking for close to on to system tend to answer and question about seduction type found. it's is this document it do you know it i'm sorry. i wanted to supposed to.
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poke it and i didn't see it registered and no no actually it was in fact just so but i have some important question could you give me a business yes of course i have mine step journalist caught just a question but i want you to know what do you know about the eos challenge you know let me octet into your camera and silly know what i'm good at that it's about not touch and tenses think you know this is my study and i want to know who came so much for our interview not me why you disagree with you why you are. having been escorted outside. this is my press conference ok i've been ordered to show id we try one last time. it's clothes do it to looks like what tobacco industry did twenty k. that's your opinion that's your opinion what we're doing is providing science based here if you doubt this that our products are safe and that's all i can say right
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there but are you paying those scientists know you've got a camera rolling don't you. look a leaf for such cases we always have a plan b. on the list of i.r.c. challenge scientists there was one who agreed to see us the first on the list. andrew wilkow scheme. we had to madison wisconsin. this city in the north of the united states is home to andrew mohl koski and the company of hot dog king oscar meyer who we came across in the preston martin case. the scientist worked for this company for thirty years. he now teaches at the
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university. but he doesn't hide his proximity to the american meat lobby. presented with our i.a.r. see challenge documents he acknowledges everything. almost. so did the meat industry paid you for this i received some compensation for my time as well as the others how much i am likely to say a minute thousands tens of thousands of small. small amounts. can we have an idea. descending nitrite seems to be a very big thing for industry. looking for a substitute. has been attempted. and was it a tall failure. something as chemically simple as nitrite.
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and as unique as nitrate having a substitute has not been possible to anyone's ability but if there is more risk of getting cancer don't you think it's important to try to find a solution. now where we disagree because they do not believe that that risk is is true if there is no risk at all. i think the risk is. if it is indeed. on hearing that we pulled this expression. so for andrew mccallum ski the colorectal cancer or the hundreds of studies on the dangers of nitrites none of it exists off you go nothing to do with it. in the united states it's thanks to scientists like neil county that the meat industry has been able to cut another notch in its belt. surprisingly in the health conscious state of california.
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this imposing building is home to the state cabinet level california environmental protection agency. we have an appointment with sam dell sent deputy director for external and legislative affairs. to show us a document that doesn't exist in any other american state well michelle or not i am . selling. so this is the lists of all the dates it's a list of substances judged dangerous to man by the state of california. to do business here manufacturers are banned from using these substances or they are obliged to warn consumers and it's very restrictive because there are over eight
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hundred products on the list so good example that would be tobacco smoke entirely and there's other things like as benzene that would be something you know we have come in things like exhaust and then here we have ants britain and then as aspirin you know it's a special note especially for pregnant women oh here's kind of an odd one but you know these are a breath of bird. you know if you want to eat this go for it but be aware that you maybe don't want to eat it every single day so i'm doing fine i tried it i tried is not on the list. it's been here since nitrites has been targeted but procedures have never been seen through when we believe the chemical meets the criteria for listing we post what's known as a notice of intent a list and that triggers a period in which people can submit public comments on whether it does or does not meet the criteria we review the comments before making a final decision to complete. the nitrites here are the comments that swung the
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scale of the seven contributions six come from food industry lobbyist. and with thirty one pages the winner is. before the interview we show. our documents on the. challenge and the attempts at influence. based as an avalanche of proof gathered during months of investigation he ends up taking out his cell phone to take photos. however in answering our questions he seems less inspired. we. it's their business if they think that they can. influence the decision be on the science but we want the science to the talking do you think it might have been that some times
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you are many created by the industry we. do our best. to make decisions based soley on the science regardless of whatever. pressure or words and say persuasion may be made by a any outside group. ok. california will read examine the dangers of nitrites but not before next year. for the lobby it's a mini victory time gained and profits not lost. in europe a new study on nitrite was expected in december two thousand and fifteen almost a year later it still has not been.
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