welcome to deny. camp tonight's entire episode deals with various aspects of climate change and the fight for our survival as a species in the first half my dog with ed fallon a climate activist and the director of bold iowa which is being sued along with

other organizations for hundreds of millions of dollars by energy transfer partners the oil and gas giant responsible for such projects says the. blind and hiring mercenary army. to go after peaceful activists fun for the whole family now they're also suing the people who stand up for our future for clean water and for a livable world in the second half i'll go through how exactly the horrible flooding in houston proves that unfettered capitalism is eating us alive but first here's my conversation with ed fallon. hey ed thanks for joining me illegal to be here so i don't you for many years and you're always on the ground fighting the corporate just drugs out of our country and the world how are our spirits out there admiral oh morales ok you know we got donald trump to deal with on top of all that

but you know we keep fighting we're disappointed they started running oil through the dakota axes pipeline but we still got a big court case here and that was our way it would stop the flow of oil so over there that pans out there will be then the early next year that we're in the media that would as is yeah that would obviously be here the drill here drill i want to get into the laws there that they're pulling against you you along with many others are fighting against it or go to access pipeline which you just mentioned which is not just in north dakota cutting across your homeland of iowa well first let me ask you what so important about stopping this pipeline do you know it's just it's just oil infrastructure right what's the problem oh good point you convince me. you know it's there or there's the potential for five hundred seventy thousand barrels of oil per day running through this pipeline and if you just look at the carbon emissions from the oil in the dakota houses pipeline that's the equivalent

of six to sixteen i believe in new coal fired power plants you know and weak i mean look at houston we can't continue to me i don't know who i don't know who's still out there who doesn't get it but apparently there's plenty who do and they're refusing to move forward on the policy change we need but but this is pretty critical you know we thought we had a start and then along came donald trump in reissued it and now we can start in the courts well i'm hoping to do this as a person of some of these other battles some of these other play plans yeah and it seem like obama just wanted a good held it up to kick the can down the road because it's not. he was against pipelines he bragged about lying more oil pipeline than anybody but but anyway to get into this lawsuit energy transfer partners the evil villains behind the pipeline are now suing earth first greenpeace other organizations including gold on

which you're the director of can you talk a little about the lawsuit. well the big basically they want their wanting a billion dollars from us and i hope they've been studying on how to squeeze squeeze blood from a turnip i mean they can take my one dollar car they want i be happy to sell my chickens given the proceeds from that and maybe i'd even get my cat involved in some kind of a i and i were invited grads there to steal your check and honestly about what needed to get these yes no so had the bottom line is we've hurt them pretty bad between the the protest movement that cost them a lot of money and the best new campaign we started seeing banks and other financial his divisions pulling out of financing part of the projects we were pretty dead and that's what we wanted to do because we believe we've got to stop this fossil fuel infrastructure from expanding and so their response of course is not to try to find a way to move beyond fossil fuels but as the sewer is the ship the shoot the

messenger who saying that we've got to change and what are you what exactly are they claiming you did that was wrong or illegal they're calling it racketeering which is fascinating to me i've never thought of myself as in the same league as they are the poll that is kind of cool to be there. so they're alleging that we we misrepresented the facts we described then in terms of they were unflattering and and untrue we misrepresented the the reality is that they they claim that this pipeline this is amazing they actually claim that the pipeline is going to reduce climate change which is incredible but they're saying we misrepresent the facts and based on that we use that information to fire up people to donate to our causes which they claim is racketeering so i'd is a pretty weak argument but they've got a lot of money and the same lawyer the defense trump and a lot of his lawsuits is the guy that energy transfer has doing this lawsuit for

them yeah it seems very similar to what trump likes to do what. just drowned his opponents or people who died lived in lawsuits hoping they'll you know take a saddle manner back out or whatever but this lawsuit is is not just harmful to you it's also dangerous for the precedent it would set if if energy transfer partners were to win this it will mean that peaceful protesters can be financially destroyed in court even if they aren't already brutalized by police by the police states. or. talk a little about that. you know this is

a huge attempt to silence the right to speak out in opposition to policies and practices that you believe iran and it cuts across the political spectrum the case i mean it does it does as well i mean it is silas's the freedom of you know pipeline dividers to speak out you know is going to apply across the board and you know we see this happening in state legislatures at the federal level even sometimes in local local or jurisdictions where they're trying to find more and more ways of keeping us quiet while in and out here in iowa or in the pipeline fight there was one county that increase the fine for civil disobedience leading arrested from three hundred bucks to two thousand rugs and all over the country using those kinds of initiatives and so this one is the mother of all anti speech initiatives because you know if they're successful it could absolutely silent you would bankrupt a couple organizations maybe a handful maybe

a law and it will also silence a lot of people who would then be really afraid to speak out but i you know i am optimistic we can win a. yeah i mean i'm obviously you have freedom of speech on your side but also there is other good news and that is that this shows what a huge impact a small number of activists have had on this corporation or these corporations that are putting in these pipelines i mean i mean they're sending us down a suicide path of fossil fuel extinction and you guys have at least you know shot a couple arrows in them for anybody out there wondering whether one person or only a few people can have an impact against these monsters this is kind of proof don't you think oh yeah this is a this system is extremely encouraging because there's no way they would be wasting their money filing this lawsuit if we hadn't had any and i you know i'm i really want i'd love to be a fly on the wall of energy transfer partners corporate boardroom because i wonder

if they really think they're going to win this or they're just trying to send a message trying to find a way to silence us to scare us i don't you know i get it and i don't think our country has come far enough down the wrong road where they're going to win this but they could take it far enough where they drain resources from organizations that have lawyers they can afford lawyers i was not one of them so you know it's not going to doing us in that way if it keeps girliest vote possible that i could get subpoenaed i could i could up to travel to washington d.c. or new york i think the key of the case might be heard in new york and if i do that i'd love to love to visit with uli but. you know i don't i don't see myself doing jail time over this i don't see myself losing my flock of chickens but. i see it as just being a way to drain resources but again i think the main point is we're having need that we are pretty hard we need to the armor of this beast and that's one of the coming

out years and this is not your first time in court with energy transfer partners you there is a they seem to see suing you and other activists is kind of a hobby of their. well it is an interval and specifically in the month of august that because it was last august that they see the bald iowa and i have a citizens for community improvement and by name myself and had a nice and they sued us and the goal was to get the court to issue an injunction to prevent us from engaging in any kind of protest that might lead to civil disobedience now in that case the judge threw it out of court but not till you know we dropped a few thousand dollars trying to you know find back against it so again as part of the goal not just a silent speech but to you know take your take away limited finances because these guys said they were a bottomless well of money we have limited right resources so i didn't think i was going to win some of them and so i want you and i want to hear your resources and like you just said they also are hoping to win some sort of decision where you and

other. activists leaders are allowed to be involved in protesting at least if they can just got some of the the leaders then they they figure they can you know get away with their pillaging of the world a little more easily you also served in the in the iowa legislature for fourteen years so you're one of the few people who's tried to make change both on the inside of the state government and outside on the streets do you feel one is more effective than the other what it what did your experienced teacher about that oh they're both really really important i mean think about the civil rights struggle you know the the passage of the voting rights act the civil rights act i mean that that really is what changed the change the improve the situation immensely for blacks living in the cell but none of that would have happened without protests civil disobedience the marches the rallies all that so important so you know i think more good people should run for office and more people who have people who

vote should be really really meticulous about making sure they're not voting for some social up of just getting in there to benefit their own nest and that's hard because you. sometimes these politicians of commands with a nice big smile are in the glitzy brochure that lives i didn't pull before but you know what you get in if you're the right kind of person with the you know a clear head and a good heart you can do some really important stuff and so i would love to see more people running you know i think one thing is coming more and more clearly is that i mean the republican party is is so far gone that it's not even worth talking about some levels even though they hold sway but the democratic party just more and more shows how incompetent and ineffective and actually out of touch it is and i you know right now i think it's even odds as to whether the democratic party can be saved or whether it just needs to be replaced and leaning toward the latter up but again i think it's important to have people doing good work on the inside and on

the outside yeah they're good terry fell a little or both and it is amazing to watch the that the corporate democrats have done no self reflection over the past two years they seem to have not realized at all why they lost to someone as horrific as donald trump just they seem to show no change what one more thing i want to get to before we wrap up you were also filed followed by tiger swan the mercenary army that was hired by energy transfer partners talk a little about about tiger swan and what you know about the. well times one yeah they they got they cut their teeth apparently over in the in the middle east you know doing doing doing anti-terrorist work and they don't actually refer to us as a jihad like movement they referred to us as you go terrorist it seems that they can't get the terrorist thing off their brain but they didn't you know they operated i without

a license they finally got one but well after that already you know then following us there are there are water protectors appears in for example has been you know she's in she's been followed her residence has been sort of you know under surveillance maybe mine has too but i'm in the sit in the so many cars out here i don't know which ones block the tires one but it was a nice black one without the license plates i don't know but. they've done a lot of things that are really questionable and that offend most americans and i'm really glad that they're being exposed by the series of articles by the intercept and you know the bottom line is they're going to keep their word they want to keep just go and they're trying to make their decision it does look as look as bad as possible so they can keep working for energy transfer partners and other companies but you know the only security firm doing this stuff again we were a nation right now where this kind of covert operation isn't just something happens overseas is it happens right here and you know red are all small towns and big

cities even if it's happening and we've got to be aware of it and push back against it without being afraid there's no point in being afraid if you're afraid then they went wow thank you so much for being one of the good guys out there fighting as this continues down fall how can people are keep up with all your work. well this really content contact us boulder. with dot com is my e-mail address we're actually just in the process of retooling our website and facebook page but that'll be up and running probably within the next week or so so look for us there and keep in touch we we love getting cards letters and boxes of candy and fallon thank you so much keep trying and. let's go to a quick break but if you don't have time to catch every redacted tonight then check out the free pod cast you can listen to it on your on your on your drive to work when you're shopping for groceries all the times you can listen it's called moment

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and you can get it on the old the old. the old according to just. walk a mile or more all come along for the ride. vehicle it looks like. it would be analyzed from the bottom sit. with me like you let me know i got. the three. minutes. welcome back i'd like to take a minute to politicize the catastrophe in houston i want to take the there's some

furring of the people there and use it to make a political point. not really i mean i do but i'm going to but it's my fault the problem is any event already has the politics that is used bed into it some of the takes us a while to put our thoughts together on a tragedy but that doesn't mean the politics weren't there from the beginning furthermore as naomi klein points out this week in the intercept if we sit around with our thumbs up our bloods for two wigs and only then explain the politics of the situation it'll be too late and the powers that be will already have exploited the situation for their own hands naomi klein didn't use that wording i don't think she said bombs up above she said in an ideal world we'd all be able to put politics on hold until the immediate emergency has passed then when everyone was safe we'd

have a long thoughtful informed public debate about the policy implications of the crisis but we can't do that because we don't have the time or the news cycles in one week or less or incompetent virulent our bill and truculent fly actual into mainstream media will have moved on to bickering about donald trump's tweets furthermore even the people saying don't politicize this are politicizing it if you listen to them or they go do not politicize it you goddamn liberals are always politicizing catastrophes how dare you satan worshipping stacks of dog politicize this flooding and it's the gays too they gave that. you can claim we shouldn't politicize moments like this but life is political life is philosophical and only when things are truly dire do we tend to

see what actually matters but when things are not dire not urgent we filter our actions through the stupid and hateful political ideas if those you know the viral image of the people in the nursing on elderly people in the floodwaters not getting any help needing help if those elderly people were dying not from a flood of water but instead were obvious their necks in debt and therefore lacked the one e for health care would we go running to their aid with that image have gone viral or would some of us. for not having enough money so now that we can all understand the don't politicize this means nothing as in fact kind of dangerous let's get past the elephant in the room of course the houston flooding is at least partially due to climate change even if you don't believe that you still believe that deep down deep down you know the records

being broken year after year whether the drought storm surges wildfires or just heat are happening because the planet is markedly warmer than it has been since record keeping began these record setting events are happening more and more frequently we're in a hundred year we're having a hundred year floods every on the dam and sit near going oh there's something a little unusual going on. but beyond the obvious points about climate change there's much more to be learned from this very sad event think of everything positive you've heard you've heard or seen in houston during this catastrophe think of neighbors helping neighbors think of the strangers saving people's lives think of people picking up dogs that they have to don't even know who they were they belong to this is put in the boat bring them to safety think of the viral moments of the storm and flooding think of that nursing home they desperately needed help

and soon got it ok do you have those thoughts in your head all the positives now now think about this all of those moments are outside of capitalism they are outside of the market economy nobody asked for money to rescue a person nobody said how much will you pay me to go save those elderly people in a flooded nursing home no one said well i'll save the americans but of anybody's undocumented come because boats going to keep all right show me your papers before you go on about even if your papers are a little soggy no one said that no one cent i found three dogs they belonged to but i picked them up because i'm pretty sure i can sell them or cook them up and do a nice dog stew. no one said that and if they did they were met with a near universal revulsion they would pulse of people who are making money off of this all of the beautiful and caring acts we see in moments like this in true

catastrophe is because it enables us to see outside of capitalism outside of the market economy we see our shared humanity we see what really matters in our tiny transitory existence there is no time for the nonsense during a natural disaster with no time for that no one is shopping for pants or crockpots or their third t.v. for their fourth bedroom where they have one or obscene the waste no one's buying crap you know i did not have new device to help you put on your socks when their house is flooding you just use your so far away just bending over to put out your socks in full every day. introducing searchlight or pain free no bit overweight or governor. every day just place your sock on the cradle lower the

cradle to the floor it's like your foot is it that easy search light or put the socks on for you so bending over itself that you'd never have to do the secret is that you'd be able to get experience the sock opening and places it in the perfect position so all you have to do is like your good gear then when you want to take them off the socks lighter makes that easy to somehow everyone gets their socks on during a flood even though they're sucked of ice floated away they said who knows it somehow everyone's got on i don't know how it happens but it does. because we don't time for the crap ok now think about some of the awful things in a hurricane harvey in the flooding in houston i'm sure there are some people are price gouging i'm sure that's going on there is the fact that poor people are far more likely to be devastated by this flooding there's our incompetent president tweeting. during the storm there's oil and gas refineries releasing chemicals into

the air in the water because they haven't been well regulated at all and didn't prepare for this nearly everything disgusting or morally repulsive you can think of in this event has its root in materialism consumerism and unfettered capitalism that tell you anything the profit motive who we are and what we should really care about it takes the best and purest elements of our being and turns them on their head and as these floodwaters recede the corporate monsters will rise up and exploit this tragedy for worth they will milk it they will do all they can they will take over lands they didn't have access to before just like happened in new orleans they will did not. know you didn't fill out the day properly right there so we're not covering your house they will they will reprocess homes and cars they were condemned public housing they were trying to even replace flooded public

schools with charter schools privatized education here here's video of george w. bush dancing at border in eastern charter school in new orleans to celebrate how great it was to use hurricane katrina to public education. the balancing of our society by way of natural disaster is ugly is that dance

which should be labeled a hate crime let's be honest climate catastrophe will continue to tear apart our society as we saw in new orleans as we're seeing in houston and as naomi klein said in the shock doctrine the neo cons and neo liberals will use these moments to push forward disaster capitalism but if we look closely these disasters show us the past and humanity for profit is factored into the equation that's all the time i have but we have live shows coming up in philadelphia and washington d.c. and other cities for details and to vote for your city go to redacted tor dot com also you can check out the dot com site for dac to deny we have all kinds of content there good night.

oh no. no no i mean. our culture is awash in lives dominated by streams of never ending electronic hallucinations that burst fiction until they are indistinguishable we have become the most diluted society on politics as

a species of endless and needless political theater politicians more than just celebrity are two ruling parties are in reality one party to corporate and those who attempt to puncture this vast breathless universe of fake news just signed to push through the cruelty and exploitation of the neo liberal courts are forced so far to the margins of society including by a public broadcasting system that has sold its soul for corporate money that we might as well be mice squeaking against an avalanche but squeak we must. most people think just stand out in this business you need to. be the first one on top of the story or the person with the loudest voice of the biggest raid in truth to stand out on the news business you just need to ask the right questions and

demand the right answer. questions. hello i'm tom hartman at washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture donald trump is waging an undeclared war on immigrant communities all across the country is this about law and order or about making america white again alinsky good in just

a moment and with net neutrality on the chopping block are we in the last days of a truly free and open internet scott greer and valerie irving into its rumble later on in the program. with his one hundredth day in office almost in the books donald trump doesn't have much to show for himself when it comes to legislation he has however managed to orchestrate a massive and in some cases brutal crackdown on immigrant communities all across our country they're living in fear like never before but now some are fighting back just in time from a day for more on this i'm joined now by amy goodman a journalist and host of democracy now welcome back it's great to be with you tom great to see you and by the way congratulations you got a new book out democracy now twenty years covering the movements change in america and it is absolutely spectacular thinks time yeah that's what is happening in

this city this week and it's the movement changing america on every level from immigration to climate and a fine thing it is so give us a picture of what's going on here with regard to trump's immigration policy what's your sense of what's going on is you know it's interesting we're on fifty. city tour around the country last night i was speaking in burlington at the unitarian church and there are two young mexican immigrants silly placebo's and. the costs are. came to the church they were just in jail held for almost two weeks their major immigrant rights activists have been for a long time they work with a group called migrant justice and they were picked up and it was only because of the mass outcry that nearly two weeks later they were released now as we were coming in to vermont i got word that in denver. a man who had taken refuge in a unitarian church named arturo hernandez garcia two years ago when i visited in

the church in denver colorado was picked up as well despite the fact that he had a letter from the obama department of homeland security that said he was not a priority for deportation when the activists from groups like the american friends service committee called ice and said what are you doing with our tour oh he's been here for is like fourteen years in the united states is married has two kids i said we no longer have priorities i thought that was an interesting way to put it because the letter had said he was not a priority and i had just been in that church because jeannette does geta who's also a mexican immigrant has lived here for more than twenty years has just taken refuge there since trump came into office because she's concerned she'll be deported she has little kids i talked to her ten year old roberto. his son roberto and he said to me my mother cannot step outside i am my mother's voice and what's interesting

is time magazine just last week announced a hundred most important people on the list jeanette this get the mexican immigrant taking refuge in the unitarian church i mean churches and even whole cities are declaring themselves sanctuaries and that's really important in fact california is considering becoming a cow a sanctuary state the movement to protect people just what's best in america that feeling that we are a nation of immigrants that we came from somewhere as well and when we see someone who has been threatened i mean that's what we document and democracy now we're documenting these growing movements this mass outcry each time and our turo or similarly or a key k. is picked up it sends shock waves through newly. in the communities across the country because they're afraid that they could be next you know president obama

deported more people than any president before him my recollection is correct he was referred to as the deporter in chief. how is the trumpet ministration qualitatively and quantitatively different from the obama administration i mean i get how different they are in their rhetoric and and rhetoric could be terrifying in or of itself but in actual action well that's a very important question yes even his allies called him the deporter in chief he deported millions of people and he laid a foundation as in many other cases when it comes to the drone war he expanded it and trumpets continuing at the expansion of wars in the middle east he expanded that and trump is expanding it but right now right in the beginning in the first weeks of the administration this first one hundred days i mean what donald trump has laid out is he wants to deport all people who are undocumented so people are deeply concerned this is just the beginning. and the vaio language

he uses to talk about people who have worked in this country for decades jeanette this getta when she stood at that church when she was named one of the most one hundred most important people in the world by time magazine she held up her two thousand and sixteen tax returns and she said i'll show you mine now in president trump should show you his she's paid taxes for years and that's a really important misconception many people have is that people who are undocumented in this country don't pay taxes they do and that is something that has to be conveyed by the media all over and the level of support she's gotten so many death threats as she sits in the streets but she doesn't just sit there she organizes from morning till night to protect others. and i asked her what gives you hope and should because i get so many more letters and emails of support the denver

police chief came to her to say i will protect you you tell me when you get a death threat the mayor of denver the congressman we are seeing a level of organizing that isn't just very noble activists in the streets i went to a meeting in new york it was packed with hundreds of people they were city council members from across the country they were state legislators they were mayors and they too were saying how do we protect our citizens documented and undocumented alike how do we provide sanctuary one of the things that we know about undocumented people in the united states is that they're not all from mexico in fact they're not even all from south of the border and in fact donald trump imports people in tomorrow lago because he thinks it's very elegant and people european x. white people with european accents and maybe some of them stayed after their visas expired who knows but there's a lot of undocumented irish in this country there's a lot of undocumented germans in this country there's to the best of my knowledge

i'm not seen any evidence that this is ministration has any interest in going after anybody who has skin the color of yours and mine that this that and when jeff sessions went down to the border and in his prepared remarks he didn't use the word when he spoke but in his prepared remarks referred to people he was to give him credit he was speaking of the drug gangs you know but he referred to people coming across the border as filth. this see it seems to me like there's just a huge racial subtext here am i imagining oh i mean not at all look at the people i've just named hardworking people in this country they're not part of the drug gangs they're part of what makes us proud to live in this country he is sending a message to all emigrants and i mean i think your opening where you talked about make america white again is so important there's a reason why the ku klux klan endorsed donald trump for president why david duke

endorsed. donald trump for president we have seen this back to when he was one of the leaders of the bertha movement rate president obama the first african-american president the united states and he continually year after year trump wasn't even running for president then trying to deal with him i said and say he could have been born in the united states i mean you know when he accuses others of fake news it takes one to know one he's the father of it. here's a clip from president trump today i'm not i can't see it from donald trump today at the n.r.a. here it is. we've done so unbelievably at the borders already they tried to use it against us but you need that wall to stop the human trafficking to stop the drugs to stop the wrong people you need to all but listen to this we've already see a seventy three percent decrease never happened before in illegal immigration on

the southern border sits byelection my understanding is right after two thousand and eight right after the through the great crash essentially when so many people were being thrown out of work that. the flow of undocumented people the united states and south of the border actually reversed that it went it didn't go down seventy three percent it went into negative numbers so is this story another law i mean and does he i mean i don't know the exact figures but the figures have been going way down and make no mistake about it people don't leave their country because they just want to be in the united states they leave because of enormous pressure women perhaps because of sexual violence because well i mean look at nafta that's great sucking sound. people who are being forced from their land looking for where the jobs are and we have to take responsibility for this people

want to stay at home. but when they cannot survive they move on and many have come to the united states and we have to look at the structural issues that make that happen not to mention the legacy of the reagan negroponte activities in years and salvador honduras guatemala not corroborate in fact the thirtieth anniversary of the death of then lindner who was killed in nicaragua by the contras an engineer who went to help the nicaraguan. simply to build a democracy now trump has also started this program within the department of homeland security where you can call and read out your neighbors i remember when i was living in germany and reading the rise and fall of the third reich by william sure and early on in like thirty three thirty four hitler start a very similar program you could read out your neighbors and people would call in a radio stations and do what was called denunciations talk about how their neighbors were not loyal or maybe they were jewish or gay or something and people

get picked up it's kind of funny in a way that over the last twenty four hours a lot of people been calling the illegal alien hotline and talking about well i think i almost got abducted abducted last week. but i thought and alien right bought an extra to read write and they've been they've been you know punk and d.h. has been in the minute we have left i'm curious your thoughts on the deeper meaning of this i'm really troubled by this in a historical context we're not the first country to have done this i mean the fact of the matter is we are an amalgam we're a country of many different peoples and president trump has repeatedly reiterated that he does want to make this country wants to what in a sense you could say in his view of things to make the country lighter and whiter and it is a strong message that's being sent to his base and i think it's very important you know we're leading up to may day and they're going to be thousands perhaps tens

hundreds of thousands of people in the streets all over the skies. tree demanding fair treatment for immigrants who are hardworking who have helped to build this country just as we're going to see in the streets tomorrow april twenty ninth this major climate march i mean the organizing is non stop. well the the issues are nonstop amy goodman the new book democracy now amy thanks so much trying so much to have. growing up if donald trump were really serious about tax reform would you roll back the reagan tax cuts that are more that i was rubble it's got greer and valerie urban right up to this point.

it's called the future we don't need something. everyone in the world should experience freedom and you'll get it out of the old the old. the old according to just. look at the modern world come along for the ride to. the mission of newsworthy is to go to the people tell their side of the story our stories are well sourced we don't hide anything from the public and i don't think the mainstream media in this country can say that i think an average viewer knows that r.t. america has a different perspective so that we're not hearing one echo chamber that mainstream

media is constantly spewing. we're not beholden to any corporate sponsor no one tells us what the cover how long the coverage or how to say that's the beauty of archie america. we give both sides we hear from both sides and we question. not letting anything get to bring it home to the american people.

to trust administration can't say whether or not it's tax reform will help the middle class for once at least they're being honest as it stands right now the trump tax reform is really just glorified socialism for the rich let's rubble. with me for tonight's rumble our sky greer deputy editor at the daily caller and valerie irvin senior advisor to the working families party thank you both for being with us and i could use the details are still fuzzy but according to an analysis of the new york times donald trump's tax reform plan is essentially a wealth redistribution plan times interviewed a number of tax experts and found that trump's plan amounts to a multi trillion dollar shift of wealth from federal coffers to america's richest

families and their errors republicans it seems have literally one idea cut taxes for the rich and it never ever works if we really want to reform the tax code why don't we just roll back the reagan tax cuts we had three decades of the fifty's the sixty's and the seventy's where we were for an entire decade each one of them we had over three percent. annual g.d.p. growth and then reagan came along and we have not hit a decade of three percent g.d.p. growth since then why don't we just go back to the tax policies we had before reagan screwed everything up well i think the main problem with trump's tax reform plan is there's no underlying vision or problem that it's aiming to resolve it's like we're doing all these minor changes were overhauling the system we're passing this big legislation and all it does is slightly lower taxes for rich people and for and for corporations you know the corporation tax rate goes from thirty five percent to fifteen percent that's basically the most dramatic overhaul that's in this plan there's no really under a lot what is the problem there was also no plan it was

a one page bullet points which they said they'll get to later. but this is no surprise to me that this president would go as far as he's going to cut taxes for the very richest in the country and i think it's in line with him being anti-government he's the president of the united states he's cutting enormous tax taxes for the richest of all of us which is going to have impact on services and how we actually run the government so it's all like connected this is what the grand plan when he came into office so this was not a surprise but for his people out there in the world that the people who believe that he was going to you know stand up for work for working class people he just you know threw him a you know a rotten tomato it seems scott i don't understand why conservatives are freaked out i mean the the tentative scoring on this from conservative organizations is that it's going to add two to five trillion dollars to the deficit but you've got some

progressive organizations that are close to and it could be twenty trillion dollars over a decade i think that's probably a high number but i thought the conservatives were all about trying to reduce the budget deficit and raise it although it seems that every republican president since nixon has raised the debt and every democrat jimmy carr. we had a balanced budget bill clinton had a bill about balanced budget but you know nixon reagan bush and bush all blew the budget i mean it just ticks totally expanded the debt well i would say this for conservatives tax cuts care matter much more than the desperately needed i don't really to be honest of both sides want to be honest we only care about the debt and deficit when the opposition parties in power we only care about it we're like well why are they cutting the debt more i think republicans and democrats are just as guilty about this we only care about those when it's an issue we can use against the opposition that isn't powerful democrat is the guy there is always going to get certain that this is where how we're paying for this tax cuts they explain that we

have so much job growth we're going to have so much growth in the economy that that's going to pay for itself well we're not quite sure about that and there's all these other plans that he wants to implement that he might not have the funding for it might add exponentially to the current deficit we have so there's so there's too many that you can't call for the expansion of all these government agencies at the same time working with this tax bill that nobody really feels very emotional about i've been seeing this from the service side most people are just you know they're not very upset about it like they were with the health care bill they're just saying it is like there's not an underlying drive for what is the what is the big problem that this is solving i'm sorry i was going to say they're right really beat the drum for the deficit during the election cycle and so here we are with a plan that's going to quadruple the deficit we don't know what it's going to do to that right but it's not going to make it better and so i'm not hearing the voices coming from the right about why can such a bad idea it seems you know some years ago donald trump was asked what his favorite book was and he said p.t.

barnum's the art of making money and i don't think that was i think that was a moment of that great honesty. p.t. barnum was of the opinion that it really didn't matter what was happening what mattered was what people thought was happening that perception was more important than reality and in the art of the deal trump basically echoes that on multiple occasions you know talking about how to kind of flim flam people how to get the publicity all this kind of stuff so it seems to me like this tax. plan which is literally one sheet of paper with some bullet points and this is not legislation this is not a serious proposal it's insane that it's even being treated like such by by people in congress and by the press frankly it seems to me that this is just p.r. this is just for his base of and by his base i'm talking about his donor base in the in the coax and the other billionaires who support him and who support of the republicans absolutely he's doing what he said he was going to do and so much as well which is the take care of his. really well being fred. i mean that's why i

said earlier it's not a surprise so like he keeps check checking the boxes he's going down his list check check check check you know my first hundred days he's got to say that he's made some you know accomplishments he's got to talk to his base and tell them that he's doing everything he said he was when they say it's him fulfilling his all the base i think is betraying the real base that got him elected by going into these measures not so much with the tax reform but i think definitely with his health care plan that was promising to kick off millions of his own supporters from their health insurance i think with this matter he just needs a legislative achievement and it looks on paper it doesn't look as offensive as the health care bill and most republicans are who are going to support it there's not to be this huge battle as there is over health care and there's not going to be a deal like toral consequences that would happen if there will be there will be a huge battle when they translate the bill of points into legislation then you get a. further republicans or democrats yes but within the republican party i don't see

the type of battle that we see over health care old find out republicans have failed once again to make any progress on repealing and replacing obamacare on thursday night after to bring a new health care bill to the floor failed after g.o.p. leadership discovered they didn't have the votes to pass a new bill would have repealed important protections that obamacare put in place for people with preexisting conditions so the republican failure mccain machine keeps on chugging seems like the more they try to placate the co. caucus the freedom caucus the more their health care plan becomes unacceptable to the rest of the country at what point are they going to read the writing on the wall and start pitching single payer something that people actually want well you would get out so i'll go i will say that the democrats pushing they are you know a player who is they are its stance you close it for opposing it this yes is yes when. there's actually a bill it's called h.r. six seven six that john conyers has been reintroducing year after year after year was it was a democratic

a solution endorsing it or it has one hundred ten sponsors and i was represented so then why isn't that why did that go through during the obama administration it would have said that's a whole nother issue but to go back to health care with a rebuttal democrats are promoting is just that it gets absolutely no publicity because the you know network television america is totally fascinated with republicans and has no interest in what the right going to what i think something really interesting is happening and it happen started happening in the town hall meetings when republicans were going home to face their district residents and people were saying there is no way that we're going to agree to you know throwing obamacare out the window we like it they didn't know how much they liked it until they the prospect of it getting taken away was just like looming i think republicans are saying that on the ground in their districts this is a very popular still and very needed and i think the single payer issue sort of came up out of of of the republicans trying to shove down the throats of the

american people this you know let's throw obamacare out and give you something very par plus people in people who plan around here is really irrational alternative it's why every other developed country in the world has adopted that or some variation comments are now open on the f.c.c. is website for a new plan to gut net neutrality plan which trumps f.c.c. chair hi announced earlier this week would rip. peel the groundbreaking open internet rules put into place by the obama administration back in two thousand and fifteen those rules ban internet service providers like comcast or a t n t from key creating pay to play fast lanes and they also ban them from blocking content that might compete with them or that they don't like the american internet is now going to look a lot like china's but instead of the government blocking websites it'll be corporations and they'll be doing it for profit how are republicans really going to defend that so they're going to kind of ignore the issue like the when they want to

sell off your private your internet history to eyes you know eyes to providers with the same thing i do i'm very skeptical about this maneuver because we want to keep good net internet open and neutral we don't want to have corporations aside in this matter because they could be handed over to activist groups are and anybody they complain some website is over the both the right and left can use this to silence political speech in a whole host of other about your so it's not just going to be making a profit off of off your internet history or anything like that it also has the potential to suppress speech just because people are upset about it which hurts the first moment which america is great because we are the last bastion of free speech good on you for being honest i was going to say i liked everything that he just said i think a lot of people who have not been paying attention to this issue are now tuning into it especially because of what trump just recently did about like making all of our information available on line and people got really like nervous about that so i think this net neutrality was an issue that

a lot of people sort of like ignored or they didn't get it but i think people are tuning into it like this is this is like around our first amendment rights and like what one of the corporations doing controlling who gets access well in some of the biggest piece in the country time warner and comcast own the two biggest cable television networks you know sort of fox and they're not talking about it on here it's all it's like there's just this complete you know nobody will this is. yeah dispy think that was internet drawing movement that came from twitter and social media when people learned that their whole internet search history might be available for corporations to sell it off people were livid about the there wasn't driven by the cable news networks is german by average people who found out about this if you were in there it was an instance but it wasn't even discussed on corporate me answer it's really a tragedy scott valerie great having you with us thank you so much and now the big picture fact of the day it turns out that all that worrying might do you some good after all a new study out of the university of california riverside has found that worriers

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good evening we begin tonight with continuing coverage of now tropical depression harvey the storm has dropped twenty five trillion gallons of water on the lone star state thirty nine people have died and dozens more have been injured overnight though two explosions erupted at a chemical plant in crosby texas meanwhile vice president mike pence visited texas and urged americans to help texas in any way they can and i'll be after the president i want to urge every american. to do what texans who themselves are oftentimes dealing with hardship in their own household their own family are doing that is find a way to help. you can go online you can donate resources or you can do like thousands of americans are already doing and will be doing in the weeks and months ahead and that is find a way to get here and be the hands and feet and compassion of the american people to help these families help these communities rebuild trade each other as has been

following all of the latest news and has this report this is an area of confusion while the chemical company argument says that there was two explosions and residents reported hearing pop like sounds local fire officials are not calling the incidents explosions they're saying that it was more of small intense fires something that plant owners predicted what happened see the chemicals at this company and what the company uses these chemicals to make things like foam cobbs and hoses well those chemicals they need to stay cool but the intense flooding knocked out all of the electricity and two sources of backup power therefore resulting in what officials are calling a chemical reaction that resulted in a fire i don't want to die did these are man should be explosions we're trying to make sure that our citizens are comfortable and what's going on and that they know the truth and so with that these are small container ruptures that may have a sound they have a sound of a bomb or something of that nature this is not

a massive explosion. there are nine containers total and this is just one of the three containers they lost refrigerator in on so we can expect similar type decompositions and other of the trailers and maybe even all nine of them but workers cannot assess the situation from the ground because the water levels still remain too dangerous while officials are saying that these chemicals are organic proc sides and they believe the chemicals are non toxic but at a press conference earlier today richard rendered an ark my executive would not say that the materials were in fact non toxic but he did say that the fumes of worm noxious officials even compare the smell to that of a barbecue but and buyer mental agency at expert says that this is more dangerous let's take a listen in general these types of materials will be. if they if they either. they're going to be gases that are probably not what you'd have for

a little barbecue they'd probably be in many cases or dangerous you certainly would want to read it because that's the kind of thing that could get in your arms and cause problems you would never want to be exposed to and you're scared and that seems to be exactly what happened to fifteen deputies who responded to the fire they all complained of respiratory irritation and went to the hospital thirteen of the fifteen deputies have been released but what's also concerning is the fact that there are more fires to be expected. we fully expect that the other eight containers will do the same thing. the water is still in our facility in preventing us from seeing the facility. and we believe at this point the safest thing to do is to allow the other eight containers product in those to degrade in. officials nor the plant executives can determine exactly how big these fires will be or what kind of damage they will bring it's all speculation at this point but what we do

know is that the smoke that was seen from these fires was estimated to be about thirty to forty feet tall right now residents within a mile and a half radius have been evacuated but environmental experts warn that while these chemicals are out in the air to wear as much clothing as possible and to find something that you could keep over your face like a mask to prevent you from hailing the material and they add that the fire could spread quickly throughout the air in this case that maybe having a lot of water around it isn't necessarily about that. and the state department has ordered russia to close at the consulate in san francisco as well as to an expelled ings in washington d.c. in new york city the move comes in response to russia demanding the u.s. reduce the diplomatic mission in the country are to correspondent jacqueline has a story. based decision by the u.s. to close the consulate in san francisco in the two annexes one here in d.c. and one in new york city is really signaling a new low for relations between russia and u.s.

now this follows a new round of sanctions being signed off by president trump earlier this month trump himself has repeatedly said that he hopes for better relationships between the two countries and in fact just days ago expressed confidence that that could be achieved yet again and i hope that we do have good relations with russia i say loud and clear i've been saying it for years and i think it's a good thing if we have great relationships or at least good relationships with russia that's very important and i believe someday that will happen it's a big country it's a nuclear country it's a country that we should get along with and i think we will eventually get along with russia all this started last year when december in retaliation of allegations that russia meddled in the us presidential election the us decided to expel thirty five russians from the country. about time russia took it in stride and did not react but throughout the year we've seen further sanctions imposed and earlier this august the last straw was finally struck and putin did order about the u.s.

embassy reduce its numbers in russia by seven hundred fifty five members now today we do see the u.s. as reaction to that reduction closing the consulate and the two annexes the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov has expressed his disappointment by the move from the u.s. saying this was not started by russia and the timing of the u.s. closures is actually very interesting today the new russian ambassador to the u.s. housing arrives he has already started on the job and said that russia will react to this decision without any hysterics whatsoever both countries have called for better relations between the two of them and yet washington sort of tit for tat approach really does seem to be getting in the way so now we can only wait and see what happens. washington d.c. . defense secretary james mattis signed orders to deploy additional troops to afghanistan today the details will be released later next week meanwhile the

pentagon has confirmed there are more u.s. troops in the country than previously thought parties on your part until it has been following the story and brings us the latest on yeah that's right manila until this week the pentagon acknowledged eight thousand four hundred troops in afghanistan but speaking to reporters this week a pentagon spokesperson admitted that number is actually closer to eleven thousand a difference of twenty six hundred but it turns out that original figure did not include troops on so-called temporary assignment as the spokes person down a white explained madison's decision quote the secretary. the secretary has determined we must simplify our accounting methodology and improve the public's understanding of america's military commitment in afghanistan in keeping in that mission the pentagon will now include troops on temporary assignment in afghanistan politico reports mattis himself alluded to the lack of transparency in the numbers telling reporters traveling with him last week quote there's

a very strange accounting procedure i inherited which apparently did not count troops deployed to afghanistan iraq or syria for less than one hundred twenty days at a time now this is where things get tricky because while mattis reviewed the procedure for counting troops in all three of those countries these changes only apply to afghanistan leaving syria and iraq still in the dark in fact this very administration announced in march it will no longer disclose troop levels in either country quote in order to maintain tactical surprise according to the pentagon last week president trump and nouns two will send more troops to afghanistan this week brother of the secretary of education who also happens to be the founder of blackwater erik prince was granted an op ed in the new york times to proclaim contractors not troops will save afghanistan secretary mabus will report on the situation in afghanistan to congress next week and promises to introduce more facts

then but for now while the pentagon is attempting to bring about the guise of transparency we still have no concrete details spelling out the president's path forward in the country only that quote we will win while what exactly victory means remains vague. thank you leon for more on this we're being joined now by former u.s. diplomat jim jim good of you to be with us tonight so for the last few years the dia d. has insisted that there were about eighty four hundred u.s. troops on the ground in afghanistan today we find out in fact there were much much more. was this a blatant lie i think probably not it's i think at any point time you take a snapshot and say about this money and of course the explanation is and you can take it for what it's worth that they weren't counting people they're deployed for a lot less than one hundred twenty days when you have a constant rotation people coming in and out you know i can understand how eyeballing the total number any given time would have some flexibility to it if

this is designed to be a more accurate count. i think that's a good thing but really i think we have to put in the context of what are we doing there and that's what is not clear to anybody at this point when we're at this point the semantics i think actually do matter especially with you we're here for this sure last monday when when president trump announced that he would be sending more troops but going back to this though was this an effort on the obama administration to make it appear as though there was a drawdown on troops that it was greater than it truly was it could have been a look i'm hesitant to accuse somebody of a deliberate deception unless i have some reason to think so this could have been just bureaucratic inertia in many respects and this is the way we normally count people this is the number the way we've always been at this the way we've always done and so on so forth maybe it was a desire to do exactly that but i don't think we have to prove that at this not at this point so now that the top administration did come out with their own plans for afghanistan like i said you were here for it with me just last week. if you want to

call them plans because we sat here and dissected it for about an hour at least kind of a plane it said but it's kind of a plan but you know why don't details not really heavy on anything as promised that if anything he promised he'd be more opaque and there'd be less transparency more surprise where is going to be accountability in afghanistan if this is going to be the u.s. approach i don't think there is i mean it's it's kind of the trust me policy and right now at least with the segment of the population that supports mr. trump that i don't think necessarily was expecting this from his said ministration remember he said his he said himself his first impulse was to get out he's been very critical day of these kind of missions and was well as in syria and iraq in places like that and you see where the i think part of that reflects the staffing the business ministration where in some sense the swamp is one where he is doubling down on what

the policy was in the past making a few little tweaks on rules of engagement but there is no strategy there is no end game there is no nothing as far as anyone can try as i recall if i recall correctly last week you said what came out of the administration last week could have come out of president clinton or president obama or jeb bush i didn't have that sort of directly right right so we're already sixteen plus years into afghanistan are we going to end up being a permanent occupying force there i mean that's how the local theater and some people have actually said that we should be doing that that we should be there for fifty or one hundred years we should be in iraq for a hundred years look how long we've been destabilizing germany japan how long we've been in south korea there are some people who think the solution to instability is for the americans to babysit it for the rest of history it seems i don't think that's a strategy i don't think it's a good way to handle our responsibilities in the world i don't think it's america first i don't like it when americans for people don't like it when the united kingdom it about right so it's exactly and it's you know again i think we have to

look at the bigger problems he's having his administration with congress with the rest of his agenda and for whatever reason he threw in the towel on the you will be back to with you to dissect that i'm sure thank you so much for your expertise. iraq's prime minister is expected to announce the full liberation of the city of tal afar from isis tell far is considered to be the last stronghold of the terror group in the north of the country mara guys you have spoke to people on the ground in that war weary country with the bits of. iraq. with violence and it has adapted following invasion and occupation by america iraq has steadily grown its military now it's just an. iraqi whether they even knew just how many soldiers are protecting them the only one in. the. man.

that could be. here is some perspective iraq's population ignoring kurdistan is roughly thirty million of those approximately nine million adult men and one in three a third of all men a soldier has. to. see. if it. had. a. it's a vicious cycle workman hanging over teaches needing schools.

abandoning their fields and. service pays much better. than. mosul university once the second biggest in iraq but it's seen better days just like everything. now it's in the city is the kicker though classes are in session. with walls and ceilings still. nevertheless young men are abandoning study in favor of easy money in the police forces they get guns. and opportunity.

too often you'll hear the stories everywhere troops raised to use this private shakedown. and protection rackets violence has become a currency. but this con lust you might think isis will be defeated and they'll be no need for this huge audience. so but america and britain. years ago find that it's sometimes a city. with.

the system as it may it's cooled a war economy. an entire nation adapts to live and thrive in perpetual war. for iraq. the city of kirkuk in northern iraq has approved participation in a twenty fifth referendum on kurdish independence the city is not technically part of the kurdish region in iraq but has a fig nikken kurdish population. the city's council turkmen an arab members boycotted the vote a government in baghdad strongly opposed the referendum iraq's neighbors iran and turkey have also criticized the referendum so for more on the significance of this upcoming vote we're being joined now by nouri quote myers is the assistant professor at birth cert technical university gary thanks for being with us today.

so first i got to ask you how do you see the kurdish referendum playing out in iraq . it was previously cited by the kurdish regional government to organize this referendum however the city of kirkuk was an included in the. let's say concept one of the cities which was actually according to the two thousand and five iraq constitution was not. part of the of the kurdish regional government and it wasn't in the kurdish region now the provisional city council which has been created after the two thousand and three american invasion in iraq they decide. to join the referendum which was also boycotted by the turkmen and ups so the key players in the region do they will they recognize this vote as official no matter what the outcome is depending who are these key players if you ask the kurdish

regional government do to organize the referendum because they do seek independence but if you ask government and order people who are living in the region such as turkmens and are up they want to recognize it obviously so they think it will be like a fraudulent vote correct do you think the u.s. will support the independence referendum well i got news from the turkish media and of course there are unofficial news actually. americans also are in favor of post. the referendum however they. also said that there is not sort of an objection from the american site. that referendum will be organized so right now everyone's pointing fingers he has been directly approving it actually interesting now or can you tell us what is turkey's position on the us arming kurds in order to fight isis. well we had several

occasions recently to see the turkish position in this regard it was for instance highly criticized by turkey then last week there was secretary of defense visiting turkey and he was harsh to criticize by president of the ground when he showed the pictures of the gun ski even by the united states to p.g. forces with alleged. codes in the hands of p.k. and during the operation or a series of transferring weapon exactly there were several occasions for that especially in last year's attacks and turkish army was conducting operations inside of turkey against. unpacked american drones found in. caves in southeast of turkey especially in cities of should knock one sounds like

turkey is not happy that the u.s. gave arms to that expression writers exactly why why then do you think perhaps the turkish the turkish paper that published the secret location of the u.s. bases in syria do you think the paper did that as sort of retaliation for the u.s. army the kurds at all i mean i don't see that there is certain retaliation but it was rather proof to show that actually americans and the kurds their act together in the region because as far as i know there are not official american bases in syrian territory so those are the areas seized by the kurds from isis and they are just used by the american forces i guess so it was meant not to hurt hurt americans but more is to show the turks that they existed there exactly because we have the american turkish alliance in the region and i think that the turkish government or

turkish side tries to trust america to uproot and. just seeing that these bases and areas by. forces are used by the americans or the alleged to fly american flag over to show that this is an american one so they really tried to get also some sort of. protection for not being hit by the turkish army for that very interesting perspective thank you so much for your insight. the f.b.i. says a complete lack of interest from the public in hillary clinton e-mails justifies withholding the documents that bureau has rejected an open records request by a lawyer this week attorney. made the foyer request as part of a push to indict mrs clinton for perjury so for more on this we're being joined now by that attorney tie clevenger type think you so much for being with us this evening so first i got to ask you can you tell us what made you decide to tackle

the clinton e-mail issue actually it wasn't an indictment i have filed our grievances against her in arkansas trying to get evidence for this board says. i just got tired of watching power powerful people get away with things that would send the rest of us to prison. you know it's it's not just a democrat thing it's a bipartisan issue is that sort of a passion project for you it is yes i mean this is not i didn't start with hillary clinton i've done this kind of stuff on my blog for years and what are the grounds for getting someone disbarred how is has clinton and her team have they met a certain threshold that that would hold them liable to being just far. well if you destroyed thirty thousand pieces of evidence and you lied to congress about it under oath yes that is grounds for disbarment and if any other attorney had done the. tourney anyway they would unquestionably be disbarred and

so in that case we should talk about the f.b.i. do you feel that the f.b.i. got it wrong in not recommending charges against clinton last year. i don't know how they could have got it gotten any more wrong i mean it's a joke what they did there's absolutely no excuse to say that that is not a matter of public interest and in fact after they first told me that i responded in the letter with an article from the washington post i said here google these search terms i did that anybody who follow the twenty sixteen election cycle knows it was a matter of significant national interest now you know a lot of people watching this are going to are going to say you know that that maybe you're just a trumper and that you're doing this to back the president. can you explain some of the motivations i know you did at the top but can you get into that a little bit more and explain why you feel that this has to be done. well that the

main thing is nobody else was doing it i am a republican i have never denied that on my blog however i've gone after as many republicans as democrats so it's not just an attempt to pick on hillary clinton in fact it actually started more as a matter of exposing the politicization of the various state bars that's what this began with i'm working on a book partially on that subject and so i decided to use the ultimate illustration and so i started songs bar grievances and then on the f.b.i. side filed the four years to get some of the evidence out funny they should say the pull it is that politicize ation of the bars i was just going to ask you then do you feel that the bureau itself has become politicized and that their their job and their role in american society cannot be neutral anymore. it's almost like they're trying to destroy their reputation but i'll tell you within the last twelve hours i've actually changed my view on what's going on i don't think this is an attempt

to protect hillary clinton after senator grassley and senator graham wrote their letter saying the. former f.b.i. director komi was already drafting a statement to exonerate ms clinton even before she or the other witnesses were interviewed i think is this is simply an attempt to protect the f.b.i. celt it's got to be embarrassing to them to show just how badly they botched this investigation not accidentally but on purpose and for political reasons i'm certainly looking forward to seeing more come out of your investigation thank you so much for sharing your insights with us very interesting clevenger. thanks very much. and that does it for me that's the news and i know a chance to go in for as scholtz reporting from washington d.c. i will see you next week.

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. he's a surgeon turned satirists who risked prison and worse to joke about powerful military leaders and religious fundamentalists boss a muse that is known to many as the jon stewart of egypt is back and he's my guest on this edition of politic. politicking on larry king it's a return visit for my guests this evening basim yousef he's the cardiac surgeon turned political satirist don't know many have done that who for a time had the highest rated show on television in his native egypt he was forced to shut it down under authoritarian rule he's in america now and he's on set with

me for the next thirty minutes we'll get his scalp was sharp assessment of trump's presidency so far and find out why he's pitching a morning after kit for muslims in america he's also author of the revolution for dummies laughing through the arab spring and he's the focus of the documentary tickling giants welcome back oh that nice to be back the washington times recently described donald trump as a gift from the comedy gods to professional you murderess you agree absolutely i mean look at the ratings of s n l and daily show i think a lot of people has survived in the comedy fear and even been added to the comedy because of the donald trump's little trump is great for comedy horrible for america you think it was one of his roasters at a famous comedy central roast of government to remember that do you think he and i know mo and i'm not sure if he has

a sense of humor do you think he does know it's not just about the. sense of humor i think he doesn't have the sense of being a public servant if you see how he reacts to criticism in general i mean specifically for the humor and satire but he doesn't understand the idea that if you are running for office or you are in a public office it is part of the job of being criticized i mean if you look at him for example in his. press conferences oh does anybody have a good question for me does anybody playing nice can you it can you be nice to just begging people or asking people to be nice it's not people's job to be nice and when he can solicit perience in the corresponding dinner that was a big thing that was a big it was the first president ever i mean reagan missed it because he was shot it does whether you do you more comedy writers write all or shahrzad clee and he said no i'm not going to take this because i'm above criticism and he doesn't

understand the idea of being a public servant and that reminds me a lot of what i saw in the middle east peace people who are in any kind with or i'm not in you even have to go all the way up to the president or the king anybody like a minister or some public official they consider making fun even criticizing someone in a political position a sign of lack of respect we are very big about lack of respect and i think i see a lot of various ways you blow up from doing that what do you think of his using twitter. i mean just. well. we can joke about him using twitter all you want but what he's doing is a part of cutting they undermining the media don't isn't an immediate listen to me and he is late to this while you do like feet news media so i speak to a lot of trump supporters and it doesn't matter how many facts how many pieces of

information you tell them oh the media are by you who are guests in july of two thousand and sixteen and yet to do this to you boston before dol trump became the g.o.p. nominee we talked about his campaign rhetoric of. america's democratic process we will play this for you now observe all right you're looking at democracy you're a doctor is your prognosis that american democracy is that you know i think the american democracy will be able to be healing itself because used to you have institutions and constitution in place that will will actually make sure this will happen the thing is i know that you guys are very worried about donald trump being you know xenophobic creases whatever back in the movies that's monday we are used to that but here's the here's the difference i think it's not going to be the worst thing to have these people rise those kind of hatred because people will come to

understand that people are running on empty rhetoric is not enough. it's all of this fake patriotism all of this hate all of it will fall nothing what if he wins so what i mean people lose so was so would that mean like the you know it's not going to be like and improve our again great dictator people will understand that this kind of rhetoric if i mean it will be painful i mean it's not going to be an easy right but even if he wins eat people understand that their problems among going to be solved by empty rhetoric their problems not going to be sold by just saying let's make america great again i lay amazing in suspenders. he. when president two hundred twenty five days yes better or worse than you expected i think it's the exact exact legs not surprised by it and no surprise it's just it's the arc of the whole empty rhetoric that they built up to support anything though i support anything that he's done i can't see anything that he

has done he allowed those i mean just to be fair he kind of lake interfered to allow these eight of again niggers to come in and compete in a computer or in the robotic competition that's the only one thing that i remember . i want to see pronounce his name all c.c. . the head of egypt a fantastic guy and said he's done a tremendous job under trying circumstances. what do you make of that well. it is no surprise these are peas in a pod these are lake authoritarian people who somehow find each other it's the same thing if you look at the issue between. the other and i think deep down. envy c.c. he says how are you all these people in g how are you passing all of these. people

being on your back and i think he envisage as if this is maybe the first time in history that an american president look up to an egyptian prison hoping that he'll have his place the only difference is putin has a sense of humor he is i've been with him he's funny he's. good i mean putin is kind of. is a dictator that he knows what he's doing. ok you recently teamed up with the entertainment side café yes to pitch a morning after kid for muslims in america watch this folks. i'm here to tell you that terrorism sucks right but there's this other aspect to it that we usual overlook. that day after. this is a day where people who have nothing to do with the incident get treated as if they were actually did it but this ends today introducing the muslim morning

after the morning after to to protect you from anyone who may want to hurt you because they think you. know i don't know because i'm. going to stop you every day take it from targeting us why don't you open it and see for yourself the muslim or. american flags over your house and everything. to remind people that the c.p.u. with. something like a white person. a framed picture of you in. music . especially. the symbols in the now i can go to any library i want and if you order now with throw in a key chain with an older according to help you get out of. town i hereby condemn yesterday's attack. by that will do for now.

how do you come up with this. article i see yes. it will be available on amazon soon and. i have always talked about. what does it look like for people like us in the morning after. because i'm really scared i mean i was in the in the in the restaurant with friends of mine when the chelsea bombing happened and all of my friends their reaction was a human reaction it's like is everybody ok i mean is anybody hurt and my reaction was who did it what's his name is his name mohamed are we screwed i mean this is like our reaction every time we find ourselves being apologetic every time this happens we go oh we ought to peace loving people islam is the peaceful first of all don't do it because we don't owe anybody an apology and second nobody will ever

believe us in this x. and so we i don't and doesn't just affect us it affects people who look like us who by the way a huge portion of the word you know latino. african-american who look a little bit like us you have christian arabs who exist you have jewish persian who by the way were one of the people who were affected by the travel ban because somebody in the eighty's and mr understand that there's a lot of jews also in iran so we came up with this idea so of course like there's the t. shirt there's the flag there is that so you can so you can tell everybody that your bag is safe there is a framed picture with toby keith this is how to. speak like an american i like this because this is going to look at some. an automated condemning device i hereby condemn that there's that but they also like this because this is like a special kit. for them looking muslim so and this

only has one t. shirt to say. i am not a muslim so that would be enough so late just like get out of my hair and wonder if you had this for real whether it was i think it was i mean well i think we should start accepting modems with where it is gets yet and non muslims were as gigs you had to do something and put this together oh yeah i mean the people look at favor. brian carmel and blake and we're going to like that one of your dog well kathy is a new platform and they are actually getting into the used to platform and they are their own part of their products is also scary and they came up with this and by the way brian carmel was to a drive through he was jewish where they were if so was it off and he is one of the finest people i've worked with and he me and him we come up with this ideas about like how to bring people together through humor. and the team and caffie every one

of them just like wonderful people have idea yet one don't call in. it's not twenty nine ninety five. problem i think you know what i think it was so. awesome stay right there we'll be right back with more politicking after this the muslim mourning after king if you think. about your sudden passing i've only just learned you worry yourself in taking your last wrong turn. to us we all knew it would i tell you i'm sorry. so i write these last words in hopes to put to rest these things that i never got off my chest. i remember when we first met my life turned on each pair. but then my feeling started to change you talked about more like it was again still some marshawn to view those that didn't like to question our arc. and i secretly promised to never be like

it's one does not leave a funeral in the same as one enters the mind it's consumed with this one different speech as there are no other takers. claimed that mainstream media has met its maker. your watching our team. basically everything that you think you know about civil society has broken down. there's always going to be somebody else one step ahead of the game. we should not be. normalizing. we don't need people that think like this on our planet. this is an incredibly tense situation.

if. you are and this is why we're pleased to announce did debut. the morning after kid. for anyone who looks a little bit muslim. it. would be. good people. might think. this is

a little bit about that. oh my god i'm so sorry it's just i don't know why it happens all the time. but go back to taking that was a clip from cafe dot com starting my guest. pitching his morning after kit for muslims in america he's also the author of the. for dummies laughing was flying and the focus of the documentary tickling giants in the united states is often called the jon stewart of egypt have you met john i mean i met him a couple of times at the retired he he looks really leafed he's having this he'd be having a great time we will have in you having a great time but like i understand you've been he's been doing this really. seventeen years to be that sharp every night yes it is ok what did you think of.

that was. that was heartbreaking to see all of these people coming on one message to face how they were in power and powered and thing that they can this would not have been. happening a couple of years ago it is just that many physicians of giving voice to these people when somebody sees the president as a bully or as a racist and he gets away with it a lot of people are encouraged to follow suit but what is heartwarming is that just a few days after what happened in boston they were reduced to a cubicle in the trump praised the boston protest you know. and day. to day i'm home along time do you really think that he thinks that the protesters against white supremacy and naziism were would be the other hand well i here's my theory is no other and here's what i think i would like from i think he

doesn't care about what you and me or people who look at these people as receive think he's speaking to his base i mean for his for his base for his supporters what they see are a bunch of liberals crying and screaming over how a president could do that and i would like to quote something that van jones said then jones the c.n.n. contributor and host and he's been here is a wonderful and very eloquent person he said tonal trump for many of his supporters are for lakewood you simpsons for many black people they know that people knew that you simpson was was pretty much in will do what happened maybe was guilty but he had the right any. and for them he has the right enemy he's just trolling the liberals trolling the progressives and they hade the little mind does it hurt you that the political morning console poll done last once showed

a majority of americans support the administration's muslim travel ban does that hurt you. it doesn't hurt me personally but it kind of it just shows that fear works fear is a is a wonder is it is a very powerful tool and he that when they do that if we we don't mean all muslims but as a matter of fact they do i have been in political and in other places where i have met a lot of supporters and they believe that anybody who belongs to that religion is anti american they don't see. the difference between someone who is radical or someone who's just you know porn after nine eleven george bush spoke out on a muslim citizens or because he at his say what you want about george w. but in death moment he knew that he is president for all americans and he would

have he made of it and many muslims serve in the army and there are many people who are part of the society and because they hate was good getting out of hand after nine eleven as a matter of fact one of the very first victims of hate crimes after nine eleven with an end egyptian christian he was not even a muslim he was like an owner of a deli and he was killed in his shop and he was christian and a couple of indian seeds were killed too the problem with hate is not like when you say like the muslim but it goes far beyond the muslim bad when you have like three individuals from indian descent that were killed or eleven used christian were killed on his porch that's why we we had this idea of like well to muslims like you know like they off our back it when when when discrimination arrives it discriminate doesn't. apparently the president's somewhat cushion and has been put in charge of solving the middle east for now that would be lovely oh my god question or oh he will do a great job i mean i thought of that i think he looked at the middle east it's

already a mess how how bad can he get that it gets all given question or why is that insoluble bill clinton i don't like to drop names but he told me that the british irish was a piece of work piece of piece of pie to the middle east. or it. first of all every american president he comes of for years it had to do something that would actually matter in the middle east he would have to do radical changes that could actually affect his chance to be reelected so nobody wants to touch that file until the last year or two terms which is not enough second you have basically two nations to ethnic groups and you have lay people from lake jewish people from all over the world to settle there you had

people who palaces bear from palestinian and the palestinian people over eighty there they have been lent they can they're being settlements how can you solve that but it's been haitians yeah. i think right at the same food aid zacky well why didn't the palestinian home get the like i feel like i'm in a jewish home exactly the dish you're dissing food but at the end of the day i think land is is the number one cause for all for feud and for conflicts all over and there's so let's look problem of land but how can you solve i mean like i would be a little bit vice because i'm an arab and because my my my wife has a palace to come from over half palestinian but. you cannot solve the problem while you are building settlements and you are denying them can the united states solve the problem. the united states has solved many. many conflicts during sentries during the years by putting pressure on the players i don't think they united states would like to put pressure

on the israeli government as much as they want to put it on the palestinians because at the end of the day israel knows how to market itself and they have they're pretty much powerful beyond the president they have people in congress and the senate and the lobbies so i think it's going to be very pressured very very difficult to pressure at blick an israeli government that does not want to have peace or do you think of fake news fake news you were made go living with a fake news you want to look at fake news you come to my country and i can show you what for you can use it as a matter of fact one of the very repeated cycles of faith to news that we had piece of news that we have actually captured the commander of the american six fleet when america tried to interfere and for many people he's still a prisoner in egypt and people believe that. you want to talk about usenet speaking of the army in egypt has actually claimed that they have found a cure for aids people believe that at we like i mean when when he was

a fake news and i'm not impressed you come to my country i'll show you what free. news in america oh absolutely i mean les just like a couple of days ago this guy from fox news the guy who did this leg. videos mocking the chinese people in chinatown new york he had i saw a shark in texas and he was talking about like a fake picture that is circulated many times before anybody would like a simple google. search know that this is fake they deal with fake news as facts and. then of course one of the most circulated piece of news is like how obama is a secret muslim how he co-founded i says we've been having this lake three years before you guys got it so for once know it we were ahead of you guys you have a fox news in egypt pope the whole media is fox news the only difference is it is state sponsored so all of the news outlets is owned by the state whether directly

or through businessmen and it is fox news twenty four hours. i mean it's even even late now the state is interfering intertainment and drama and comedy they basically they are owning all of the outlets so there is absolutely no way to go outside of that control you are often heckled aren't your performances you know that happened a couple of times by people who were sent by the egyptian council but that didn't happen again thank god you can visit your use the generals running a country yes what do you make of generals in this administration some people think that in these particular particular generals we're better off well just a couple of days ago who was it so a very defense secretary said he actually like he didn't. agree with donald trump

all of the transgender soldiers up yet so he's kind of like he stopped that so i think this is good i mean this is this is the i mean you can say whatever you want to with america but the the biggest thing that and that's why in that video i told you it you could have trouble but the foundation is good he will not have a general coming up with troops taking over power or forcing the prison to do whatever if he's a bad president we just leave it out but the worst thing is to bring a tank or a gun into a conflict of ideas because you would have no conflict you just have the gun you just have to thank you. and this is this is what you what i respect about like what's happening in europe and what's happening in america it doesn't matter how bad it is you're not going to have the president being overthrown no matter how bad he is overthrown by don't we know the thirty four percent of americans support him . does the egyptian leader have that kind of support. well here is.

all they do there i don't know how how on this the polls are but the problem with egypt and the middle east in general the people look at the army as the most horrible the thing ever there it's morse the army is more sacred than religion and many people supports the army or whoever is representing the army out to fear of chaos because they look at syria they look at libya look at erratic and we don't want to be this so we're better off having a dictator that keeps things together other than just fall into complete chaos and this is the kind of narrative that dictators in the middle east have proven it to for many years it is a mead or chaos and and syria was a perfect example when bashar asad found that his position was threatened he destroyed the whole country so i either continue ruling the country or you would have no country. so you're saying that the three percent is swayed by things like

that yet and i think if you would have lake of a similar poll in egypt to be much higher than thirty three percent because they are not just thinking of him as a person they're thinking of safety if he's there if the army is there it's safety cannot they don't understand that you can supersede the army from the state the army is the state is stability you cannot separate the three are you a pessimist you know. looking at what happened to me i think i'm doing pretty well . thank you for coming back thank you so much raising you thank you so it's or i like to buy the first get of course. awesome we thank you for your time today and thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things and don't forget use the politicking ash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking order your kids. about your

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