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well good well acted and i'd be. all over the big show the big one tonight i talked with a ray mcgovern a twenty seven year veteran of the cia and now an activist for peace transparency and accountability in our government in two thousand and three he co-founded a group called veteran intelligence professionals for sanity made up of mostly retired members of the u.s. intelligence community for the past fifteen years they have fought to bring.

forward the truth whatever it seems to be counter to the government line or the media propaganda machine most recently they came for with a bombshell analysis saying there is no proof that russia hacked the d.n.c. last year and in fact there is evidence it was a leak from inside the d.n.c. their report up pence everything our government and the mainstream media have been feeding us forcing down our throats for months so the big show here now my conversation with ray mcgovern. right thanks for being here and welcome so since even before the presidential election we were already seeing our media push this russia russia russia storyline narrative you know new cold war and aired of that they've been pushing you and your colleagues with the recently put out an extensive memo showing that the d.n.c. was not hacked that it was almost definitely a leak instead of

a hack can you go through some of the ways you know that. well we've been saying for a whole year now when i say we this is really out of my technical expertise and when i was a national intelligence officer. working for the head of the cia and his community role i had call on expertise from all over the place from the scientists from the engineers from anyone ok and that's that's the way you work in this kind of you and so when all this hacking came up i looked at our little roster of specialists and i said mike. for my tech to form a technical directors as a. look at people who worked you know kim of this will be over one hundred years for n.s.a. and very senior positions wow you know this is a great use of my god it's so you pick the right so as bill binnie who is the most experienced and who actually contrived or set up many of the collection systems and

as he still uses i said bill you know tell me about this and he said well the most important thing you need to know is the difference between a leak and a hack now a hack has to go question that work and sequoyah costly and that we cover the internet you know as n.s.a. says. ironbound you know we get everything nice and then i say it's everything and so i said come on everything million billion trillion sorry yeah and now i can talk about it because it's not and has shown exactly how you do it right the trace routes within the system fish because of that i've mapped them out i know where they're so trust me ray yeah if the n.s.a. had this kind of thing they would certainly have knowledge it by. evidence of an internet hack yeah and so what this was surely or it was a was a copy off a computer. drive something like that an external storage device and that doesn't

go over the. network and so n.s.a. can't get that ok now that's the kind of negative evidence had for a whole year ok i mean like you can always have rumsfeld come up and say now come on guys the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence right ok prince you learn a kind of thing in prince you can i said so in other words if there's no evidence of w m d weapons of mass destruction that doesn't mean you're not there so you always have people say that now. but six weeks ago we learned that independent friends friends are scientists like us who have no access to grain just said you know this really smells let's go into the meditative let's go into the forensics of this so abraded hack of july five last year and let's see if we find out more about it and they did and reports started coming in about six weeks ago five weeks ago

and the first thing we did was jump on them and i quizzed dollars specialists i said bill bill benny what do you think he said well this is what we're waiting for a q e d you know for those of you who haven't had geometry in the last. week if you didn't have a job another year or so years ago you don't know but that means the theorem or the theory is proved quite a demonstration of that which was to be proved that wow well this is a story he says yeah sure it's a story and we crafted a story where we bet it with our with our veteran intelligence professionals for sadly for two weeks which is an unusually long period of time and those who signed on very happy with it coming and then the nation took an interest in it and we said wow now a nationwide magazine is interested and so we cooperated with patrick lawrence who you know was a little delaying because he kept asking questions and questions and questions know

how terrible it will all of a journalist i mean we're not used to that. so he did a really good job and now of course the nation is under great pressure because this is so counter-intuitive this is a nation magazine nation and i can see it and it's you know it's kind of so. so much again it's the kool-aid that's been drunk for a whole year you know the russian russians or you guys have put out many many memos starting back with w m d and so i'm sure you're used to this kind of pushback going against the national narrative being pushed by the mainstream media to go see it back then with some day or so you know even when we were on active duty so to speak as intelligence than less when we said the russians aren't ten feet tall. pentagon they don't like me writing out of there are. so you know we're used to this but now the neat thing about this is we have not existed right we're looking for the truth and on

a matter of this significance if as i suspect having done my personal poll eighty percent of americans believe that we have that clown in the white house yeah thanks to the poutine that's it's pretty bad you know right now i hasten to add. that we wanted to all kinds of what i call cognitive dissonance. because people say oh oh they're trying to get they trying to trump off the hook. and why would anyone want to you know there are so many reasons to impeach strong to legitimately go after him yeah yeah i mean like my grandchildren i'm going to have. pure air to breathe right in what i mean is that not enough there's legitimate reasons to go after trump and instead we're focused on this bogeyman and it seems was going to play the role of al franken here why did seventeen intelligence agencies say it was

russia. well number one there aren't is he there only sixteen and there's this super imposed super structure of the director of national intelligence was supposed to coordinate and but be that also a seventeen wasn't seventeen but hillary clinton immediately said seventeen everybody says seventeen and with new york times at seventy and then wonder of wonders james clapper and john brennan two gentlemen and they used the word loosely not very well known for their. credibility he said no you know i know people say it's seventeen but it really was it really wasn't seven he was how many were frank and how many whether for no. three three and actually actually not even three because these were hand-picked analysts now you know for our intelligence experience they were you hand-picked analysts and you have

a conclusion that you want every you see you pick the right i know this whether careerists but what they actually believe what you want to so the whole thing was pretty transparent the memo that they came up with is as i've said before disgrace the intelligence professional profession because it gives no evidence to support these we assess we assess and we assess a little bit more and we assess you know what does assess mean that means we're guessing we don't have any evidence. right some of these terms to people that are in the intelligence communities they hear assess and i mean all that means they came out with an analysis that showed the button but inside the community assess just means it's kind of our idea they have but then they say high confidence right confident we had high confidence that their weapons of mass destruction were a rock so the sorrowful thing for us is that so many people in the agencies in the intelligence agencies and all seventeen so many people know what kind of

fraud this is being perpetrated the american people and that one. ends with weapons of mass destruction one hundred snow that it's not one has come forth and blown the whistle now with weapons of mass destruction with three foreign service officers or in athens one in money goalie one in washington this is it that's that's fraud we quit you know. short of tour and short of career and some some respect but this time we have nothing and that's kind of maybe we'll get some maybe somebody will be watching here and say you know this is really important russia is not a little big country we should do what we can do to right the ship why it's so important and it's actually very dangerous where we're pushing the world to go towards nuclear war the nuclear scientists say we're two and a half minutes from midnight or whatever and you know it's also unnecessary now

there are people that are very interested in having a tense relationship with russia right and those of course are what more francis called a blood soaked straighter i mean a load a lot of money and tensions with russia and it's really very sad to watch those people with the inordinate influence they have policy making witnessed the fact that fifty four cents of every dollar we pay in taxes goes to the military. and you actually confronted representatives. adam schiff about this you had a moment a moment with him where you know and he is the he's the ranking member of the house intelligence committee so if anyone is going to know it's it's him weeks ago when the president said this to misquote him the conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to russian hacking were not conclusive. regarding wiki leaks now it was you asserted as flat fact. ever actually did this

do you know more than obama. well i can't go into the classified information i have every confidence that the russians use wiki leaks whether it's really the sun sure they don't participate in it worth the russians would be describing the studio that's where it was that we will hopefully find out that lives. but i don't have any question in the conclusions of the intelligence you have every confidence or no evidence that right no i can't share the evidence with you. that i'm full of joy because it's bogus security let me just give you a quick thing so your audience can. when when this discotheque in berlin because in the eighty's ok it was bombed ok we lost two soldiers seventy nine soldiers. gravely wounded we know it was the libyans had we know because we had intercepted encrypted libyan message from their security services it worked we

did it and we escaped complete detection ironic right so i had it so it was ronald reagan when he bombs the hell out of the compound and killed one of his adopted won't daughters you know and he you know the world how do you know was the libyan so reagan comes to us and says to me that message that we get away says we are released this message and we. don't there really is no no we can end this and they don't know we can decrypt is so not only was. give it give it to the media so we did. and within two days the whole world said my god there it is you know we did it one thirty in the morning and nobody knows about it and it was legitimate so what my point is simply there are times when it's it's a matter of state it just makes an awful lot of sense to blow a source now did we suffer from that well we missed that so i follow up we have other sources you know the ways to get information this is important enough so that

adam schiff should be able to say look i've seen those sources and they're very personal and give them to is or you should just keep his mouth shut and say well that's what the seventy i mean for you i mean three intelligence agencies tell me. since this memo came out and these are very significant claims from very significant people like yourself it was the government response been to the fact that this basically seems to not be a hack and is a leak and therefore is not russian well we've been used to this response ever since we started making a lot of trouble weapons of mass destruction years ago. not them see they can do that because they control the media now people govern your exaggerating but you know if you look at the new york times to home everybody looks for what they can say you can see that they suppressed information is thoroughly important at the put things together they want to connect the dots well and they were dots

there that the new york times doesn't feel is fit to print why because it's the check with the white house for if you go to a quick break but i'll be back in a moment with the rest of my interview with ray mcgovern. on the trial that we have spent countless hours going through documents that tell the story about a. corporate media really uses to talk about the. i'm going to clear picture about how disturbing. corporate conduct is the mark these are stories that you know no exception to my pepto your post to the american with the question. you guys i made a professional is powerpoint to show you how artsy america fits into the greater media landscape our team is not all laughter all right but we are a solid alternative to the bullshit that we don't skew liberal or conservative and

as you can see that is bar graph we don't skew the facts either the talking head lefties talking at righties oh there you go above it all to look at world artsy americans in the spotlight now every glee i have no idea how to classify as and it actually took me way more time and i care to admit. to get. the feeling. every the world should experience. and you'll get it on the old the old. the old according to gesture. for all to come along for the raw data. welcome back here now is the rest of my conversation with a veteran cia analyst right mcgovern fact in two thousand and four three months before the election you know bush. james rice of the york times found out

that essay was scooping up all our telephone calls and all our e-mails three months before he went to his people that new york times and he says we gotta get this out and i don't i can't do that why to close the election why well he acquiesced in that he should have blown the whistle you know but he acquiesced ok so what happens a year and three months later ok the sever of two thousand and five now. reason reason goes to his superiors this is you know the saloon bar is a little awkward you pay me big bucks i've written this book on the side it's going to be really awkward when this book appears it's in galley two weeks you've got it and they'll say well how come we didn't put any of that in the new york times it has to do with it as a scooping up all our emails and telephone calls in direct violation of the fourth amount of customs united states. so what was the muckety mucks of the time

and they say mr bush we have to part of his you know you can't do that can't do that there in the oval office ok yeah the head of the sulzberger in that this guy who was ever head of the the washington office and they said we have to do that why don't understand come up mr president we put this off for a year and three months. or so they went and published in december fifteenth and i made a big big impact but it was a year and three months too late and your time disapproved of having done the exposé and raisen is the greatest guy the best one of the best investigative reporters but he didn't have the well maybe it's too much to ask but the. if he blew the whistle we wouldn't have had four more years of bush well if you. was there of to go back a little was there a moment that you decided you had to go from active. becoming

you know a bit of an activist for sanity and well i was for sanity think. there wasn't much sanity going around in the years of the bush administration i had been retired for a few years had enough of the to be back on you know active duty so to speak a different kind of activity but when i saw our former colleagues. really being corrupted because bush said i want to make war in iraq it's your choice to get the evidence it was very clear to us what was going on and it took until two thousand and eight until the senate intelligence committee issued a report saying that prewar intelligence on iraq was unsubstantiated contradicted or even nonexistent those are the words of the chair of the senate intelligence committee. unsubstantiated contradicted or even none exists now

i ask you what does none existant intelligence. and we knew that was going on ok and least trying to blow the whistle before the war we would three most of the president before the war more acknowledge only one got any play and that was because we happened to find a sympathetic phone press a p porter who put it out on the wire that was one part of. it speaking of having it published overseas for this last question i want to ask you about someone you're giving you and your colleagues are giving an award to seymour hersh put out a recent article and he was forced to put it out over seas again but about how the syrian chemical attack which trump used as the reason to begin you know direct bombing of syria you know he put forward very clear evidence that it. was likely a regular traditional bombing that had a store of chlorine and other things and. you know his incredible reporting doesn't seem to have gotten much play on our mainstream media despite this being such

a crucial issue so talk a little about the zero play. now he usually beat he used to be able to publish in the new yorker new yorkers you know with the kool-aid. new york review of books same way they london review of books they paid him to write this thing and he was all set and they said well we can't do that because make it look like we're supporting trump and the russian and that come but we're supporting the russians here so he said well yeah but it's a show that we can't go we'll hit we'll give you a five thousand dollars so we want you know had a friend in germany deaver devalued is a pretty big. pretty broad sheet and to their credit they said well you know it makes sense to us it's been. checked and double checked you have quite a reputation will publish it and they put immediately in an english version but if they get anything and so this thing where the present united states is is attacking

a foreign country without so much as saying hello to congress and without as much as say a low to the intelligence people yeah that's how bad it was he saw some pictures of these babies and see if they don't and then who covers up for him mad dog mattis secretary and this these are the generals around that they have so that's story my god you know i mean here the russians look on at that and i say my god you know not even the generals could see it could rain him in and watching our media celebrate is move this is the one thing that all of our media loves trump for any time he vamos or sells weapons to another country they're big. remarkable with and i mean all those from from being the you know a really terrible person he became president president so he finally issued the cruise missiles from those ships out there in the med become presidential suddenly it's a magical formula suddenly

a president that's the problem is that could happen again it's very scary but thank you for raising the alarm and for all your great work and people can go to ray mcgovern dot com to learn about everything you do and thanks so much for i think you really. crazy my mind blowing stuff there but i want to move to a completely different topic now i want to talk about ghent belgium and i know what you think anything is. oh you do is talk about getting belgium the love of god so much it up i don't know golf steve buscemi psoriasis anything anything other than more about john belgium but no i say no you start i'm going to keep talking about dan. it's leading the way that city get belgium is leading the way as a sustainable commons based city it's this totally bizarre idea i know it's going to it's going to sound crazy but it's bizarre idea where the people of the town

come together to work on things as if they all want to be part of the same society it's bizarre a new research report shows that within the last ten years the city has seen a ten fold increase in local commons initiatives the report defines commons as any shared resource which is co nd or co governed by a community of users and stakeholders under the rules the norms of that community i think said at the center they would never work in america well in fact it already does believe it or not there are some things like get belgian right here in our own american communities did you know that they're ordering all book from amazon for ten dollars or twenty dollars which is then packed in a box by overworked underpaid employees and then that book is shipped

across the country and then you read it and you just. burn it would you use it to pay for your bird cage or throw it out do you know that's not the only way to read a book it's called the public library now imagine if the same thing as the public library were done with say tools. you need to use an electric saw once every three years right most of us or not so on a whole bunch of things every once in awhile zombie comes after saw out sharing is so much easier nowadays could be easier with smartphones and apps right we could have a whole revolution that is to get started to see the beginnings of it we could easily have a tool share app that allows everyone in the community to register their tools and share them at hardly any cost we have begun doing this is some for example ride shares and car shares but most of these things these apps as these sharing

community is is still profits profit seeking corporations rather communities just doing it to have a better community it's a business the ruling elite don't want us to know this idea is even possible they'd get belgium is even possible they don't want to know there's a much better more sustainable more cooperative way of behaving and living such a realisation would hurt their bottom line to hurt their money or hurt their profit but more electric saws and have holes that are built and sold and shipped across the country the better it is for them basically the less sustainable the better and the richer the corporatocracy gets the more they have the military they have to militarize the police to protect the insane inequality in this country and around the world that's all the time i have but i have live shows coming up in philadelphia washington d.c. and more for details or a vote for your city to be added to the tor just go to redacted tor dot com it only

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