tired members of the u.s. intelligence community for the past fifteen years they have fought to bring forward the truth whatever it seems to be counter to the government line or the media propaganda machine most recently they came for with a bombshell analysis saying there's no proof that russia hacked the d.n.c. last year and in fact there is evidence it was a leak from inside the d.n.c. their report up bence everything our government and the mainstream media have been feeding us forcing down our throats for months so the big show here now my conversation with ray mcgovern. right thanks for being here and welcome so since even before the presidential election we were already seeing our media push this russia russia russia storyline narrative you know new cold war and aired of that they've been pushing you and your colleagues with the recently put out an

extensive memo showing that the d.n.c. was not hacked that it was almost definitely a leak instead of a hack can you go through some of the ways you know that. well we've been saying for a whole year now when i say we this is really out of my technical expertise and when i was a national intelligence officer. working for the head of the cia and his community role i had call on expertise from all over the place from the scientists from the engineers from anyone ok and that's that's the way you work in this kind you and so when all this hacking came up i looked at our little roster of specialists and i said mike. the form it takes to form a technical directors as a. look at people who worked you know kim of this of the over one hundred years for n.s.a. and very senior positions wow you know this is

a great use of my god it's so you pick those guys right there as bill binnie who is the most experienced that who actually contrived or set up many of the collection systems and as i say still uses i said bill you know tell me about this and he said well the most important thing is you need to know ray is the difference between a leak and a hacked now hack has to go question that work as a call cross the internet we cover the internet you know as the n.s.a. says iron iron bound you know they get everything nice and then i say it's everything and so i said come on everything million billion trillion sorry yeah and now i can talk about it because it's not an has shown exactly how you do it right the trace routes within the system fish because of that i've mapped them out i know where they're so trust me ray yeah it's the n.s.a. had this kind of thing they would certainly have acknowledged it by the evidence of an internet hack yeah and so what this was surely or it was a was a copy off

a computer. drive something like that an external storage device and that doesn't go over the. network and so n.s.a. can't get that ok now that's the kind of negative evidence had for a whole year ok i mean like you can always have rumsfeld come up and say now come on guys the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence right ok prince you learn a kind of thing a prince you can i say so in other words if there's no evidence of w m d weapons of mass destruction that doesn't mean and that they're ok so you always have people say that now. but six weeks ago we learned that independent friends friends or scientists like us with no access to going in just said you know this really smells let's go into the meditative let's go into the forensics of this so abraded hack of

july five last year and let's see if we find out more about it and they did and reports started coming in about six weeks ago five weeks ago and the first thing we did was jump on them and i quizzed dollars specialists i said bill bill any way you think well this is what we're waiting for every q.e.d. you know for those of you who haven't had geometry in the last. week if you didn't have a job another year or so years ago you don't know but that means a theorem of the theory is proved quite a demonstration of that which was to be proved that wow well this is a story he says yeah sure it's a story and we crafted a story we did it with our with our veteran intelligence professionals for sadly for two weeks which is an unusually long period of time and those who signed on very happy with it coming and then the nation took an interest in it and we said

wow now a nationwide magazine is interested and so we cooperated with patrick lawrence who you know was a little delaying because he kept asking questions and questions and questions know how terrible it will all of a journalist i mean we're not used to that. so he did a really good job and now of course the nation is under great pressure because this is so counter-intuitive this is a nation magazine nation and i can see it and it's you know it's kind of so. so much again it's the kool-aid that's been drunk for a whole year you know the russian russian boy you guys have put out many many memos starting back with w m d and so i'm sure you're used to this kind of pushback going against the national narrative being pushed by the mainstream media to go see it back then with some day you know even when we were on active duty so to speak as intelligence than less when we said the russians aren't ten feet tall. pentagon they don't like me writing out of there are. so you know we're used to

this but you know the neat thing about this is we had access to grind we're looking for the truth and on a matter of this significance if as i suspect having done my personal poll eighty percent of americans believe that we have that clown in the white house yeah thanks to poutine that's it's pretty bad you know right now i hasten to add. that we wanted to all kinds of what i call cognitive dissonance. because people say oh oh they're trying to get they try to trump off the hook. and why would anyone want to you know there are so many reasons to impeach strong to legitimately go after him yeah yeah i mean like my grandchildren i'm going to have. pure air to breathe right in what i mean is that not enough there's legitimate reasons to go after trump and instead we're focused on this bogeyman and you know it seems was

going to play the role of al franken here why did seventeen intelligence agencies say it was russia. well number one there aren't. you see there are only sixteen and there's this super imposed super structure of the director of national intelligence was supposed to coordinate and but be that also a seventeen wasn't seventeen but hillary clinton immediately said seventeen everybody says seventeen and with new york times at seventy and then wonder of wonders james clapper and john brennan two gentlemen and they used the word loosely not very well known for their. credibility he said no you know i know people say it seventeen but it really wasn't it really wasn't seven he was how many were frank and how many whether for no. three three and actually actually not even three because these were hand-picked analysts now you know for

our intelligence experience they were you hand-picked analysts and you have a conclusion that you want every you see you pick the right analysts whether careerists but what they actually believe what you what so the whole thing was pretty transparent the memo that they came up with is as i've said before disgrace the intelligence professional profession because it gives no evidence to support these we assess we assess and we assess a little bit more and we assess you know what does assess mean that means we're guessing we don't have any evidence. right some of these terms to people that are in the intelligence communities they hear assess and then you know that means they came out with an analysis that showed the button but inside the community assess just means it's kind of our idea but then they say high confidence right confident we had high confidence in their weapons of mass destruction were a rock so the sorrowful thing for us is that so many people in the agencies

in the intelligence agencies in all seventeen so many people know what kind of fraud this is being perpetrated the american people and on. as with weapons of mass destruction hundreds know that hundreds not one has come forth and blown the whistle now with weapons of mass destruction with three foreign service officers one in athens one in money go only one in washington this is it that's that's fraud we quit you know. short of tour and short of career some respect but this time we have nothing and that's kind of maybe we'll get so many somebody will be watching here and say you know this is really important russia is not a little country we should do what we can do to right the ship why it's so important and it's actually very dangerous where we're pushing the world to go towards nuclear war the nuclear scientists say we're two and

a half minutes from midnight or whatever and you know it's also unnecessary now there are people very interested in having a tense relationship with russia right and those of course are what more francis called the blood soaked straighter i mean i loathe a lot of money and tensions with russia and it's really very sad to watch those people with the inordinate influence they have policy making witnessed the fact that fifty four cents of every dollar we pay in taxes goes to the military. and you actually confronted representative adam schiff about this you had a moment a moment with him where you know he is the he's the ranking member of the house intelligence committee so if anyone's going to know it's it's. when the president said this to misquote him the conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to russian hacking were not conclusive. regarding wiki leaks.

it was you asserted as flight five. do you know more than obama. well i can't go into the classified information lives. the russians used wiki leaks whether julian assange and she was a lawyer participant were as a russians would be described in the studio let's argue with that we will hopefully find out about lives. but i don't have any question in the conclusions of intelligence you have every confidence or no evidence of that right and no i can't share the evidence with you going through a regime that unfold as well because it's bogus securities let me just give you a quick thing so your audience can. when when this discotheque in berlin they quiz in the eighty's ok it was bombed ok we lost two soldiers seventy nine soldiers. gravely wounded we know it was the libyans had we know

because we had intercepted encrypted libyan message from their security services it worked we did it and we escaped complete detection by ironic right so i doubt it so so as ronald reagan do when he bombs they could off his compound and kill says one of his adopted little daughters you know and he you know the world was what how do you know was the libyan so reagan comes to us and says to me that message that we get always is we release this message and we. don't really be as though no we can intercept they don't know we can decrypt is so not only was it. give it to give it to the media so we did now and within two days the whole world com and i said my god there it is you know we did it one thirty in the morning and nobody knows about it and it was legitimate so what my point is simply you know that there are times when it's it's a matter of state it just makes an awful lot of sense to blow us orse now did we

suffer from that well we missed that so i follow up we have other sources you know it's always a good idea for me if this is important enough so that adam schiff should be able to say look i've seen a source of this and they're very person and give them to us or. just keep his mouth shut that's what the seventy i mean for you know i mean three intelligence agencies tell me since this memo came out and these are very significant claims from very significant people like yourself it was the government response been to the fact that this basically seems to not be a hack and is a leak and therefore is not russian well we've been used to this response ever since we started making a lot of trouble weapons of mass destruction in years ago. now. see they can do that because they control the media now people say. you're exaggerating but you know if you look at the new york times to home everybody looks for what they can say you can see that they suppressed information is thoroughly important

at the put things together they want to connect the dots well there are dots there that the new york times doesn't feel is fit to print why because they checked with the white house with go to a quick break but i'll be back in a moment with the rest of my interview with ray mcgovern. i'm john harshman i'll give you what the mainstream media can't tell big picture we'll go deeper investigate and debate all so you can get the big picture. the mission of newsworthy is to go to the people tell their side of the story our

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months before the election you know bush you know. james rice of the york times found out that essay was scooping up all our telephone calls and all our e-mails three months before he went to his people that new york times he says we got to get the sat and i don't i can't do that why to close the election why well he acquiesced in that he should have blown the whistle you know but he acquiesced ok so what happens a year and three months later ok the sever of two thousand and five now. reason reason goes to his superiors this is you know the saloon bar is a little awkward you pay me big bucks i've written a book on the side it's going to be really awkward when this book appears it's in galley two weeks you've got it and they'll say well how come you didn't put any of that in the new york times it has to do with an essay scooping up all our emails and telephone calls in direct violation of for them out of the customs united

states. so what happens the muckety mucks the time and they say mr bush we have to part. now you can't do that can't do that there in the oval office ok yeah the head of the sulzberger in that this guy who was had ever head of the the washington office and they said we have to do that why don't understand come up mr president we put this off for a year and three months you know so they went and published in december fifteenth and i made a big big impact but it was a year and three months too late and your time disapproved of having done the exposé and raisen is the greatest guy the best one of the best investigative reporters but he didn't have the well maybe it's too much to ask but if he blew the whistle we wouldn't have had four more years of bush well if you. what was there of to go back a little was there a moment that you decided you had to go from active. becoming

you know a bit of an activist for sanity and well i was for sanity and there wasn't much sanity going around in the years of the bush administration i had been retired for a few years that inevitably back on you know active duty so to speak a different kind of activity but when i saw our former colleagues. really being corrupted because bush said i want to make war on iraq it's your job to get me the evidence it was very clear to us what was going on and it took until two thousand and eight until the senate intelligence committee issued a report saying that prewar intelligence on iraq was unsubstantiated contradicted or even nonexistent those are the words of the chair of the senate intelligence committee. unsubstantiated contradicted or even none exists now

i ask it what does none existant intelligence. and we knew that was going on ok and least trying to blow the whistle before the war we would three most of the president before the war no more acknowledge only one got any play and that was because we happened to find a sympathetic. press a p porter who put it out on the wire that one pilot. is speaking of having it published overseas for this last question i want to ask you about someone you're giving you in your college giving an award to seymour hersh put out a recent article and he was forced to put it out over seas again but about how the syrian chemical attack which trump used as the reason to begin you know direct bombing of syria you know he put forward very clear evidence that it was likely a regular traditional bombing that had a store of chlorine and other things and. you know his incredible reporting doesn't seem to have gotten much play on our mainstream media despite this being such

a crucial issue so talk a little about the zero play. now he usually be he used to be able to publish in the new yorker new yorker as you know with the kool-aid. new york review of books same way they london review of books they paid him to write this thing and he was all set and they said well we can't do that because of make it look like we're supporting trump and the russian and that come but we're supporting the russians here so he said well yeah but it's to show that we can't go we'll hit we'll give you a five thousand dollars so he said we want you know he had a friend in germany dever. devalued is a pretty big. pretty broad sheet and to their credit they said well you know it makes sense to us it's been. checked and double checked you have quite a reputation will publish it and they put immediately in an english version but if they get anything and so this thing where the present united states is is attacking

a foreign country without so much as saying hello to congress and without as much as say a low to the intelligence people yeah that's how bad it was he saw some pictures of these babies and say wow they don't and then who covers up for him mad dog mattis secretary and this these are the generals around that they have so that's story my god you know i mean here the russians look on at that and i say my god you know not even the generals could see it could rain him in and watching our media celebrate is move this is the one thing that all of our media loves trump for any time he vamos or sells weapons to another country either because clearly remarkable wasn't i mean all those from from being the you know a really terrible person he became president president so he finally issued the cruise missiles from those ships out there in the med become presidential suddenly it's a magical formula suddenly

a president that's the problem is that could happen again yeah it's very scary but thank you for raising the alarm and for all your great work and people can go to ray mcgovern dot com to learn about everything you do and thanks so much for i think you really. crazy my mind blowing stuff there but i want to move to a completely different topic now i want to talk about ghent belgium and i know what you're getting it when i. hear you oh you do is talk about getting belgium for the love of god so much it up i don't know golf steve buscemi psoriasis anything anything other than more about getting belgium but no i say now you start i'm going to keep talking about damn belgium. it's leading the way that city get belgium is leading the way as a sustainable commons based city it's this totally bizarre idea i know it's going to it's going to sound crazy but it's bizarre idea where the people of the town

come together to work on things as if they all want to be part of the same society it's bizarre a new research report shows that within the last ten years the city has seen a ten fold increase in local commons initiatives the report defines commons as any shared resource which is colonna or co governed by a community of users and stakeholders under the rules and norms of that community i think said at the center they would never work in america well in fact it already does believe it or not there are some things like get belgian right here in our own american communities did you know that they're ordering a book from amazon for ten dollars or twenty dollars which is then packed in a box by overworked underpaid employees and then that book is shipped

across the country and then you read it and you just. burn it when you use it to pay for your bird cage or throw it out did you know that's not the only way to read a book it's called the public library now imagine if the same thing as the public library were done with say tools you need to use an electric saw once every three years right most of us are not so on a whole bunch of things every once in while zombie comes after us you've got to get the saw out. sharing is so much easier nowadays could be easier with smartphones and apps right we could have a whole revolution that is to start to see the beginning that we could easily have a tool share app that allows everyone in the community to register their tools and share them at hardly any cost we have begun doing this is some for example ride shares and car shares but most of these things these apps as these sharing

community is is still profit profit seeking corporations rather communities just doing it to have a better community it's a business the ruling elite don't want us to know this idea is even possible they can't belgium is even possible they don't want to know there's a much better more sustainable more cooperative way of behaving and living such a realisation would hurt their bottom line to hurt their money or hurt their profit the more electric saws and battles that are built and sold and shipped across the country the better it is for them basically the less sustainable the better and the richer the corporatocracy gets the more they have the military they have to militarize the police to protect the insane inequality in this country and around the world that's all the time i have but i have live shows coming up in philadelphia washington d.c. and more for details or

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