welcome to me sophie shevardnadze the north korean nuclear crisis is testing the results on the international community for the permanent members of the u.n. security council still struggling to agree on a common strategy will the world's powers find a way out of the crisis and can the united nations serve its purpose and prevent all out war while. the united nations. is my guests today. north korea's nuclear test sending the world into crisis mode the syrian war in full swing and the world's super powers my. distrust the united nations is left standing as the only place where emotions can be cooled and peaceful solutions

hammered out but can't step up to the challenge elevations of corruption and inefficiency how can the international body regain the global trust and off already have enough clout to make sure the world does not descend into conflict. russia's envoy to the united nations mr newman it's good to have you in our program welcome it's our first so going to start right away russia's u.n. delegation is dealing with several pressing issues right now namely the north korean nuclear crisis with a country reporting a conductive to hydrogen bomb tests now at the latest security council session you said that a military solution to the crisis is impossible but do you seriously think any calls for a military solution go beyond emotions or populism i mean does anyone seriously want war. hello so fickle nice to be with you

i hope they are not we had the next throw of the security council meeting. on the reason test and everybody everybody strongly condemned that it was indeed a flagrant violation of low previous security council resolutions almost could hear including the latest on the twenty three seventy one you know nobody i believe once military solution everybody won once the crisis but it is all peacefully but the problem is that recipes for a different. some countries some god that is like the united states france japan u.k. south korea and others say we need to impose new set of sanctions on the got a key to deprive them of the means to develop their nuclear ballistic missile test program and to bring them back to the english a negotiating table so we get out of sight as we went to russia and china that we're going to actually get to the sanctions before we talk for size lay about the

sanctions to oppose the countries are proposing we're russia's position is that further sanctions own p.r. neon will not work i mean let me or putin says north koreans would rather eat grass than give up nukes right so if calls for restraint aren't changing anything and neither does sanctions obviously how well's do you get out this mess. yes indeed sanctions unfortunately do not work first day i ignored secondly they have been long time factor the certainly. new set of sanctions may be motivation to the negotiating negotiating table but that of the new new for the essence we stressing when the political and diplomatic solution. jan in the us has already proposed even in july an action plan to solve the

crisis with an initiative on double suspension which was going to study criticised by mickey hated by the way i do don't know what she found so insulting in that then she said that as she said if she has something better than the new sanctions maybe the united states could come out with it we would only welcome it we would welcome any efforts and then initiatives to start the genie in dialogue like on the bow of the swiss initiatives we would welcome the efforts of the secretary general anybody can help but like you've sat there americans are actually opposing the strategy proposed by russia and china do using a stance a real chance with america opposing it. what what is the option i mean if they want it should be completely excluded because the consequences will be too dire and they may seeing that they still deny time for that but it's never it's never too early to start the process so why are your he one partners insisting on further sanctions

on north korea if the sanctions clearly are not working what is the point. that's exactly the question that we're asking the security council nikki haley gave was a history lesson in all of us security council resolutions on deep got to be it built that and not working that exactly proves the point so like you said you some bastard to the u.n. said that north korea is begging for war and called for the toughest measures possible against it does in north korea is ready for that. we never do is that it is not to pick through the common weal i would say the international community rejecting it so i don't see why this should be they should be forthcoming now with the new sanctions as which they can see that to be insulting to them so it will look at it from the north korean side and if they are

not ready for this war why are they so defiant of the international community what makes them so brave. that's not to be the question that they should address to me. because i think that you you bet them that actually. or at least early how there are they any and i think right i mean you can't not think of what makes this guy so sure that he can do what he's doing what is the answer that you find for yourself when you ask that question. well we understand what all the motives because their world has shown evidence of what happened to those leaders that voluntarily voluntarily gave up their nuclear programs and maybe that is also a fact of the in what they're doing which is not denied in any way. of course of

course the stakes are being raised too high by by all parties by all sides in fact you know there are other crisis and the world rushes un mission house to deal with just recently you proposed a resolution concerning a peacekeeping mission in mr new crate now the claim president has talked about deploying peacekeepers for a long time but kim isn't happy about moscow's proposal what is the difference between the two approaches and why do you feel yours is better. thought about bald ideas floating. vague veg talk about certain peacekeeping mission in ukraine that was by by key if for some time but we we have taken that as a disguise to implemented the minsk agreement because the only plausible solution to the guys at the moment agreement indorsed by the un resolutions un security council resolution so we didn't hear didn't hear anything definitive

a conclusion from them on the peacekeeping mission while oh a proposal is based first of all on the. twenty two zero twelve twenty fifteen which means the package of measures be implemented the means could prevent it is a solely at the at protecting the special monitoring mission of the ois sea observers the lie the factual content is not in thrust that there was any political or or or other. because these stocks belong to the established formants like like the cement always see which i mentioned or they go into group or the normandy formant. i want to move on to syria because it will be part of the discussion at the general assembly of french president emanuel met close says fighting terrorism is to priority right now so i figure it seems like the assad must go rest is not the dominant stance anymore has something changed in

how your un colleagues view the situation. it can not but it made to it even the reluctantly by those who didn't want to admit that this occasion on the ground in syria is changing and then it is changing for the better. you know that the process led by. turkey has led to the establishment of this three day escalations a zones. where life is coming back to normal work humanitarian aid people with the forces old and being being negotiated. at that in that. possess in syria. with every day the situation is changing you can not to cannot deny it but we can see the political horizon in the syrian crisis we need

more political life but because a solution can only put be political. i mean you that were working that yes that it . has changed in the security council and the u.n. in general and why why do you feel like the russian iranian and turkish efforts to advance to peace process in syria are more efficient than those that are let by the united nations i didn't compare the efficiency i said that these two processes to me individually i'm quartering them only because it's pretty obvious that the efforts undertaken by the three countries are much more efficient than those they've been undergoing for years now by the un so why do you think because i think ours is more efficient why do you think it's more efficient. i don't think i hope again the branding them with more efficient less efficient i'm just saying that these efforts. play here and i'm going to be good to the geneva process very much

by by creating conditions for for the geneva forces led by the you have to succeed . all right fair enough i want to move on to what's going on inside the united nations president trump recently wrote on his twitter that the u.n. is just a club for people to get together talk to have a good time that's a quote is that just another populist announcement from trump or is the u.n. really losing relevance. well he was not far from the truth indeed the us is a good place to meet people and have a good time but it's not all about you have of course un liza logan is ation multifaceted they're going to work in moment not only in peace and security but in many other areas. which which should not have anything instead of us it is very active in the economic and social area it is doing human rights it is doing the law it has planted over the specialist agencies in various fields of

activity is un is a very busy place and a very important one because for people who aren't directly placated and un work observers like myself it does seem like you know mostly what u.n. is doing is resolutions resolutions resolutions and that's the only thing they can really get done. that that's not legal that's called little the. these word that has been done by the lead to great results in fact you know that the new u.n. secretary general antonio good tennessee has embarked on the on the form of their going is ation proposing proposing in so-called repositioning of the united nations system to make it more effective and closer to the present day challenges. this is a drag that will full late the during the general assembly this fall we're waiting

for the for the proposals to materialize but the threat. is very interesting we want to make the united nations more relevant or rather bassett or we're going to take a short break right now and when we're back we'll be discussing the recent diplomatic route between russia and the u.s. stay tuned.

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possible can any consensus on that be reached at all. we don't need any radical reform of the goodies ation we need some certain fine tuning yes indeed. you are good acts that this again is a musician is old by all member states and they will have a say big and small in what's going on in it and they we'll need to have a voice in the whatever the forms are being proposed because it should be an intergovernmental inlet paul says. the company is the gunther these are the owners of these are going is ation they should have a say in the reform process to that way of course have some incredible or exceptional cases one powerful countries actually nor getting you in a frugal for military action and just go and do whatever they feel like doing and

that for sure ruins to u.s. credibility how should the un react to those kind of situations. of course you know that the little actions are in the miscible and un was was not established by its founding fathers to ensure. and save. the peace and security in all the world and the un has the final say and should have the final say on any action in particular a military one which without un approval would be a legitimate you know exchanges between american and russian and voice in the un have often been quite heated especially lately yet you are saying that behind the scenes to diplomats are we're trying to be friendly to each other be professional how does that work i mean how do you go for tea with someone who was just i don't know for instance calling you a war criminal. i

didn't engage yet in many of the water awards with my colleagues and i hope it will stay that way because i think that the united nations and security council in particular should be it should not be a place for few thought ethics. the spotlight the must do must there at that excuse they should be a place you should be a place. which is which should which should be form its main responsibility to maintain the international peace and security i didn't have those exchanges. was very well received by my colleagues indeed the outside the security council room well we know from the inside the security council who are all friends. we maintain very friendly relations and that's important personal relations matter. so is their professional comradery a cast feeling between diplomats dat persevered despite their respective countries

relations i wouldn't call that gust it's i wouldn't call it that i wouldn't go to constant songs to excuse a professional commodity as i agree so like on one hand you are the one doing the face to face negotiations but at the same time all diplomats follow orders how much influence do you and your partners actually wield personally i mean if your american partner wants compromise and there are wide house balls doesn't hypothetically what can you both personally do to change that. or the co co the u.s. ambassador. regulates it with with the white house you should make a haley wouldn't comment on that but in our case any ambassador any russian invested in the world would have quiet quiet and flexible but unity in

formulating the company's position. but of course the final say that suggested a little in diplomacy is with a capital but we. rather free what we can. and most most often but the can do all the time we are in full agreement with a capital so like if you look at the recent situation the relation between us and russia have been pretty dire and you said that it's probably worse than during the cold war how do you manage to work efficiently in an atmosphere of hostility created by the current russia west standoff. it so happened unfortunately that this if you're the council maybe is one of the few you platforms left for us and the us to quote that i hate and i said initially when i left here that i will i will not make i'll but let the deliberations close

to the i will not make peace and security has to stall by let the little issues and that's not in our that additional to no political culture and i will stay that way we we have developed a good report with nikki haley. she is committed to doing what she can. to make it happen and we are trying to out there i hopefully that's their platform that is in the security council will help as many things including improving the rush by the russian american relations. you know this was a question from our viewers when they heard that we had an upcoming interview with you they wanted me to ask personally how do you manage to have a friendly relationship with your american colleague when you know the two countries are pretty much at a state of cold war. look

i. never never imagined that the russian and the american people have anything like hostility towards each other it's the political situation that that is to blame but on a personal level we are all humans first of all secondly we feel sympathy towards americans and i feel that americans feel sympathy and sympathy towards russians so i have no problem in communicating personally on good terms with any american court a court ignoto of the making haiti but go to court igs in the mission and then elsewhere. so i heard you say that other countries have been also calling for an improvement of u.s. russia relations which countries are you talking about and will washington listen most importantly. many countries privately and openly say that much depends on the alibi that the little asians and

it's not appropriate that solo these days and they should be improved and that will be for the best for the better of the world and not just our two countries so recently moscow says that it considers terrorists and u.s. law enforcement inspection rates on russian diplomatic mission in america a violation of diplomatic immunity president putin said that russia will go to an american court over a property rights do you think legal action can be successful here. i don't think that it's appropriate for me to comment on that common sense been made in most and i don't see anything to add to the example that i agree that moves that were made to not only which moves but how they were made were very friendly but how do your colleagues in the united nation reacted to this situation because

it was all over the news it was huge everyone was talking about it surely they also had a window which situation they would suggest to to the u.s. law enforcement's inspection rates. we didn't discuss it with them frankly we didn't have time for that it's run so fast here that it does leave it opportunity for now it's a discussion we didn't have simply with the paternity issue to discuss it but since you since you reminded me reminded me i will raise the issue with them a bit later so you know me another interview that i also wanted to ask you how you know both moscow and washington there were very optimistic about mending relationship after donald trump's election but then the latest events show that the situation is actually getting worse why do you thing this hopes never materialized . yes and you know the answer to this question yourself and it's mainly due to the domestic did they mention albeit not only of course but that they missed domestic

dimension when the political station within the united states of course fact did badly too because we fortunately it became a very convenient. including in the domestic domestic. political political battles that are raging here so you fail it's more the resistance from inside the american establishment to warming up ties with russia rather than that in resolving differences objective lee home for inc the relationship. president he was campaigning in the show about the world's he promised to deliver old improving us that i should relations but unfortunately due to many. more or judge them he will be able to do so do you feel like yes can you from your u.n. stance and position influence that do something that could get this relationship

going better. we have to do what we can do we told you that i'm committed to improving these relations working together for the better of the world working together with the united states and other problems of course. on the outside the security council hold that step by step will lead us. if we see the the movement. the the the movement though those two investor thank you very much for this insightful interview will wish you all the best of luck were talking to mr new bands. discussing the many challenges the u.n. is facing today from north korea crisis to fighting terrorism and syria saying great talking to you that's it for this edition of sophie and co analysing the next . months of the.

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