broadcasting system that has sold its soul for corporate money that we might as well be mice squeaking against an avalanche but squeak we must. oh i'm tom hartman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture is donald trump moves to renegotiate nafta should you be worried about the safety of the food you eat i asked patty lovera in just a moment and max baucus yes that max baucus the guy who killed the public option

has endorsed single payer. real universal health care essentially inevitable last coolio rivera and chris all night long look around. every single day people risk prosecution and jail time just to tell the truth and no this isn't happening in some foreign dictatorship it's happening right here in the united states of america thanks to a set of laws known colloquially as ag gag was the american agricultural industry is waging war on your constitutional right to free speech for more on this war i'm joined by someone who's been on the frontlines of the battle patty lovera is assistant director of food and water watch that he welcomed back i think i'm a great to have you with us so. agag is this are we still doing are we still recycling the story of oprah winfrey talking about beef in the beef industry comes

down or is this a completely different thing it's an extension of that so we have lots of snappy names for these things that so there are things called veggie libel laws and food disparagement and that's a state law that they use to go after oprah for talking about if this is actually. preventing people from exposing problems in production so maybe it's an animal welfare group that exposes practices in a slaughterhouse that are you know when you're not handling the animals humanely when they're alive maybe it's environmental conditions or some other treatment at a factory farm or a really large scale livestock operation and it's essentially said there's differences but what it boils down to is preventing people from blowing the whistle on these practices and might correct in assuming although the first moment says that we have a guaranteed right of free speech and assembly that that really does not apply to private property and the private property rules of the basis of those you can't come in our factory farm because we own it it's not public space it's not even that

obvious you know there's been these of kind of crept up over the last couple of years there were a couple of states a did something in this vein in the ninety's that it. settled down for a while in the last six or seven years it's been kind of this wave of more of these different states has been at least twenty states bills that have been defeated but there's about nine or ten states that have these laws and they're going to three characteristics you see the either say you can't take a picture of this whether from public lands you know that's been one wave of them another is people get jobs to do these investigations they essentially go undercover and so there's more some laws that say if you take a job under false pretenses it's clear it's a crime and then a third one often folks are well in a welfare if they build a case so they may do it for a while they don't just they don't necessarily report it the first time they see it they document the problem for a while so there were some attempts over the years to say if you see a problem you have to report it in twenty four hours and that was meant to take away this investigation power to and then the company because it was that day one

bad apple and then you know in fact it's a systemic problem but the if you criminalize that you have to report in twenty four hours you can't make that case this is absolutely bizarre how do these laws and documents get good shape to push them and who's behind this is an ally in the media industry is you know what's going to be a lot of folks are pointed to alex influence in this earlier on the post nine eleven there was a lot of concern about eco terrorism and then specifically talked about animal activists being part of that universe and really smearing people with that label and then that kind of morphed into this wave of these laws in the last six or seven years i mean industry is absolutely behind them and then the beneficiaries of it and it's kind of extraordinary if you think about it they're saying they need special laws to protect their industry and how they conduct themselves that then other industries to write for trespassing is not good enough you know they'd be need special protections and these are special laws to protect from basically some lawyer from from people knowing what they're doing i mean the public view you know

that in and of itself should be. flying it is should be and sadly in a couple of states as this. snowball keeps rolling i mean people are doing great work at the state level year after year to block these laws but we haven't been able to block all of them and there's one law in north carolina that lets employers sues someone who worked for them bigger than agriculture could be in a nursing home could be to day care facility for being in an area where they won't weren't supposed to be and exceeding their authority so it's really chilling whistle blowing across that state. so. while we have any of these rules or been declared unconstitutional have any of these in a consequential way for that matter if the supreme court not the supreme court said but but there are several of them are working through various legal challenges at the state level because they're state laws so just this week there was one in wyoming and that one went even further instead you couldn't collect the data from public land like environmental data from a stream if you went through private land to get there i mean really extraordinary

so that one there was a legal challenge that basically sent it down back down to a lower court this week so for the good guys at a good week on that one idaho had a law in this vein that got struck down utah's been challenge the people are challenging the laws at the state level a lot of it still being sorted out it's remarkable. how are our powers food water water fighting back how is the animal rights movement fighting back how is the. movement of people concerned just with the quality of their food for that matter i would think that there's multiple constituencies that are horrified by exactly yeah and so so far we've seen this action at the state level it depends what state you're in but for the most part come january your state legislature is going to be and this is something to keep an eye out for so you know and every year we kind of have to mobilize the troops and there's animal welfare groups there's environmental groups there's groups that work on food you know newspaper and press associations have gotten involved in so the coalition looks a little different in every state but people do step up and try to fight these

things but at the same time the industry then tries to shift and that's why we've seen the laws change a little bit every year so it's kind of an ongoing battle what we're seeing now is the. the meat industry the factory farm industry trying to get things put into state constitutions to say they have a right to farm and that local governments don't have a right to regulate that so it's a really a kind of an arms race every year we see a different twist that they want special protections for tomlins these groups the community environmental legal defense fund sold out or has been doing extraordinary work in fact there's a new movie about a quote we the people two point zero friend of mine produced connor's and. basically what they're doing is they're going into these local communities and saying pass a law that you can regulate these things even if they tell you you can't and then fight with the state about it they've had some successes they've had a lot of you know knocking going on but how do these preemption laws work out how how how would a say i own a factory farm in north carolina and i want to make sure that the local community

cannot zone me out that nobody can inspect my place that you know i just want to be bulletproof what do i do do i buy a state legislator do i buy thirty of them do i bring in a think tank i mean is there a so i guess system like with the union busting there's actually what system if you label it yeah there's definitely sometimes it's cheaper than thirty is usually between i would say between one and thirty how many current you have to buy depends on the state but it boils down to using their influence in the state house and we know how they do that campaign contributions you know that that's the playbook and what you see is if you see local governments to distance in an area doing something protected you can't build here or we're going to regulate in this way very predictably you're going to be on the defense that next legislative session the state level because the industry is going to say we can't have these local governments regulating us we need the state to do this and that terminology the folks who fight factory farm who uses local control and a lot of states have lost it and a lot of states have to fight every year like missouri we know folks the missouri to fight every year in the state legislative session to preserve local control and

they have less factory farms because they've been able to do that no local control . it was also famously you know when i was a kid a phrase that was used by george wallace and people like him to say you know we want to control over our school district so we can maintain segregation republicans have been huge fans of local control ever since those days and of course there were you know there was a racist faction of the democratic party back back in the sixty's back the fifty's but that's largely gone away since since nixon southern strategy and that that you know so we assuming that republicans i realize you're not a partisan organization but i'm assuming that republicans have been the principal proponents of these laws and if that's the case is there is there a political ploy is there you know. how do we is there a way to deal with this that actually works i mean we didn't the way to deal with at the end the folks we've seen or been able to do this it's actually not that

partisan especially agriculture and especially the mean industry it's very much about region and it's often less about party and it's more about what part of the state what is the power of the farm bureau in that part of the state the companies they will give to who they need to give to to get it done in the state legislature so the folks who are beating these things back it's often not as clear cut that it's just about as for sale yeah exactly agriculture or big agriculture you know these big companies are the drivers of this factory farm industry they'll spread it around and get it done which whatever party they need to but given that the republican party has spent the better part of fifty years screaming about local control and states' rights is it is it possible to build a political case that basically uses the momentum of that argument or has that been you know we dug looted by by you know republicans being called out as all of us just an argument to preserve racism in their own thing you don't hear it much i think in some places you know it's been

a very useful tool for folks to kind of point to that a pocket see you know you say you want less government you say you want to be closer to home plate. doing the exact opposite i think the folks that have had success in places in preserving local control those are the kind of arguments they make the irony is not lost on all of us that you know the decades ago the history of what local control was for but when it comes to regulating what your economy's going to look like you know what what industry can come in and do what thing communities do know what's best for them so it's it's a strange turn of events. and as we speak the trump administration is renegotiating nafta and trump it originally said he was going to blow it up and he was going to turn it into something that was only good for the united states but it was if he had it now we hear the light eyes are and some of these other guys are actually maybe. they are actually using the t p p is a model that you know i mean this is like so what is what is the renegotiation of now after going to mean for the safety of the food supply in the united states we

have about a minute for you that's the million dollar question so for all of this talk about we're going to open this market in our stuff as you know agriculture and food there's big chunks of u.s. agriculture in the midwest corn and soybeans we send that stuff to mexico you know folks in florida grown tomatoes nafta has been terrible for them so there's winners and losers in american agriculture what's not being discussed is this recycling of the dangerous stuff lots of dangerous stuff from c.p.p. which is about taking away regulations and that's of corporate america lots of these trade deals this is really not about tariffs and how many tires we send or how much corn we send they want to use these trade deals to take away regulations everywhere they can so a lot of hidden code you know we're seeing in the very big not transparent negotiations so far but c.p.p. had a lot of mechanisms that a company could challenge you know your state law or the u.s. law on pesticides or so you know we have lots of regulations we're constantly trying to defend them we don't need more ways for them to be attacked and if we take those t.p. p. anti-regulatory pieces and put them into a new nafta it's going to make that job even harder it's going to be

a most incredible thanks patty thank you are always so informative. yes but coming up republican opposition to single payer health care isn't just bad policy it's anti american more on that was earlier a very chris allman and tonight's long right after the break. all the field we don't know. every the world if you do any of these and you'll get it on the old the old. the old according to just. come along for the.

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with a president's long low rumble our julio rivera editorial director for reactionary times and chris solomon conservative commentator and activist thank you both for being with us tonight thank you so much time it's great to have you you know as the monstrous hurricane our mark hurd holds its way through the caribbean toward miami and south florida a new study published in the journal has just revealed how responsible big oil really is for global warming as the study's authors wrote in the guardian their findings show that nearly thirty percent of the rise in global sea level between eight hundred eighty and two thousand and ten resulted from emissions tracing to the ninety largest individual ninety corporations ninety largest carbon producers more than six percent of the rise in global sea level resulting from emissions traced to exxon mobil chevron b.p. the three biggest contributors so should big oil companies be slapped with a carbon tax or should they face the corporate death penalty. chris listen tom let me just say something i'm sorry go and ok well let me just start off that listen

historical data shows that the sea level was one to two metres higher than it is now from eight thousand b.c. to five thousand b.c. i'm going to blame exxon there and chevron for that is where as well i mean it doesn't make any sense fully aware. what i mean where it's just what i said at all and all of these and this is all you can look this up anybody who's watching at home can look up this information it has little consequence little to none no consequence what we actually do here man man made climate change the rising of the sea levels all these things are full are bogus it's phony and it's been dispelled by a lot of different some of those that are bogus and all the stuff is what that is what you're putting out right now going to result believe reason i said where is because usually climate change deniers say well during the longer minimum or during the little ice age or during the little hot area and what all of your initial made all of his own life thousand finish all of those were regional none of them were

worldwide what we're looking at right now is a worldwide increase of at least one degree fahrenheit so far and about six degrees fahrenheit in the arctic right now you're looking at two to seven degrees fahrenheit increase temperature in the oceans in the gulf of mexico which is why these hurricanes are so big the entire united states in the entire history of the united states at least as long as people and keeping records which was back about four hundred years has only four times been hit by category five storms two of them this week chris well that you know that is just not true i went to wicked pedia and they have a list of atlantic hurricanes from the seventeenth century and the eighteenth century there were nineteen pages of hurricanes in seventeen twenty four two hurricanes hit within five days in the project in north carolina south carolina maryland coast. in our well they didn't have an ability to measure them at that

rate in seventeen twenty two the mobile alabama had to be moved twenty seven miles charleston was hit twice and then if we look in the eighteenth sixty's there were three major hurricanes in the eight hundred fifteen there were nine major hurricanes we have any. nineteen hundred there were eight thousand people killed in the galveston bay we have had major hurricanes two three in one year there were seven hurricanes that hit the united states of america in the eighteen hundreds but let's talk about big oil let's talk about our standard of living now now we have the ability to leave areas when a hurricane is going to hit we have communications we have t.v. we have satellites all these things are because we have developed energy sources or oil that enable us to be react to these things in ways that we never could before i don't want to give up the way that we live now that we can deal with these

things and rebuild in ways that in the seventeenth in one thousand nine hundred you know never could you don't have to give i do not agree and you don't have to you there are julio you guys can have all the energy you want there's more sunlight falling and in arizona than the entire planet needs in a year there's massive amounts of energy out there we've got a huge actor ninety million miles and in it we can but you don't right now because there you've got a five you know our brilliant dollar and your subsidy possibly you and your panels for everyone in this country would make a larger carbon footprint that it would to just keep it would be a spectacular stimulus for the economy all i hear is that if i were in south florida right now and i was told to get out and i had to a storm were coming and i had to hope you know my electric car how far could that get me but i know that the gasoline can get me far and our whole range of cars and gas cars about the same chris right now they're saying is that i know a lot of people don't want to go back to the middle ages and that kind of energy

which we never learned in your harness you're trying to narrow it down a straw man that doesn't exist chris nobody is saying go back to the middle ages you are here so you're talking about bankrupting oh i'm talking about going to the twenty first century i'm saying we've got oil we've got we've got wind we've got sore we've got we've got the wave energy we've got a jewel of thermal we've got the. there's all kinds of ways to view our world is form one tree and we're at twenty trillion dollars so i want to stimulate the economy the bottom line is that we are better than later he doing it because we are new only in the last iow it is not a result of their legislative thing winsor access gets thirty percent of their electricity now from from renewable sources germany got one hundred percent of their electricity several days this summer from from renewable sources denmark is seventy percent i mean it's happening all over the world it does work it does work we don't need to be the ones who are propping up an industry that is poisoning our children and poisoning our this land all man is that big oil is responsible for these hurricanes these hurricanes have been going on from time immemorial i mean

they responded you're the hurricanes i said responsible for the intensity of the hurricane you know you have had horrible i mean a fuel for a hurricane is warm water the water is warmer than it's ever been because of global warming because of that you are going to have a sort of that was total cooling a couple of years ago which one is it tom no there's never go global cooling and then i would try to get out of the air to the things that we actually have records for when we were tracking wind speed we are tracking ocean temperature and what we have seen when you look at history is that. look at alexander hamilton had to leave his island because the math approaches that back when we build buildings out of you know quarter inch wood they blew over and they could release have. a lot of the technology that we have now is due to you know gasoline is a byproduct of care it was a wonderful transition you know we used to light our homes with kerosene lamps we don't do that anymore because we moved into the twentieth century i'm suggesting we

should move into the twenty first century and we will if it's cost effective and it works well ok i'll leave you with that even the guy who helped kill the public option thinks it's time for single payer on thursday night former montana senator max baucus said at an event in his home state that real universe. health care is time has come my personal view he said is we've got to start looking at single payer i think we should have hearings we're getting there it's going to happen baucus his comments came on the same day that massachusetts senator elizabeth warren officially endorsed bernie sanders single payer health care bill a california senator kamel heiress and doors the bill last week the constitution says our government was arrested to serve quote the general welfare of we the people i see a direct line from that statement to values to policies like single payer health care so are conservatives who oppose single payor fundamentally at odds with basic american principles well if the general well welfare refers to health care and even

more so it refers to food and it refers to housing and so we just need to go all in if that's what you think general well welfare means what it really meant was the general welfare that common defense those kind of things but we know that single payer doesn't work we have seen it in denmark denmark has one of the highest death rate to cancer and they have a thing where i have smoking rates in the world well even when there are single payer government run auxerre they can't stop that doesn't i don't have that they're going to you've got you've got to look at there is that is this america has been rejecting this since the twenty ten midterm after obamacare was voted into law ok you although you often say on this show that america is a socialist country if america is a socialist country then why did you guys get your you know what's handed to you in twenty ten twenty fourteen and why did you lose the last election this is not what the people want they want choice they want

a private health care market where they can make their own decisions they don't want to like there are several states right now currently the only have one choice for a health insurance plan that's ridiculous sussed out what americans want i don't want choice in health insurance who i want choice in what i'm going to use that health insurance. for every last thing that i have any interest in doing is if you don't go up or brochures from five different insurance companies i think you know how lovers it saves money when they pay for health insurance by denying care and he has the oh no that's not a health insurance companies do that's their business model line the government death panels it's all right happen but it's government we have and who i agree with you except for we've been rejecting this since one thousand nine hundred ninety four at least since i've been in this town again and again single pair you say oh the government pay thing it's not the government time you know who is the government you and me we are paying but before when we pay now we have to pay

all the government bureaucrats so everybody else and so the costs go way out care is rationed or we go bankrupt look at these hurricanes we're having now i'm a conservative i'm a fiscal conservative i think we should step in and help our fellow americans this is what a federal government is all about however we don't have unlimited money and when you're talking about single payer you're talking about bankrupting our government and we pay we the taxpayer get your say on that you're saying that if an accident essentially a force of nature something out of our control comes in and destroys our home that it isn't appropriate function of the federal government to make us whole but if something out of your control you get cancer for example comes in and wipes out your body rather than your home that it's not appropriate function of the government you know john adams the second president united states was the first one to sign

a health care bill that actually required people to have health insurance you know there was the it was an individual mandate it was this is from is the act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen and you know this is the fifth congress of the united states it wasn't like you know these guys sat around on jay should the government require help. insurance or even provide health insurance how much of the seven are personal health response ability though how about. having to subsidize people who are obese people who smoke cigarettes people who do drugs why should that be the fellow taxpayers responsibility. we are all in this together who you know i'm not sitting around judging you to determine if you're good enough that you are deserving of government protection when you know private and are the guys that are in the companies creating the risk assessment pools and then they can determine the pricing based on that now it's much better to have government do it and that way if government says hey you know we're being killed by cigarettes they can launch a campaign about it then we have launched

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