dead or injured british soldiers is based on a pack of lies told the board coming up a days going on the ground but first today is september the eleventh the anniversary of the washington backed coup to oust the social democrat president of chile salvador allende it marked a watershed in the so-called cold war and the beginning of a new new liberal facts right economics that would destroy the post-war consensus his milton friedman of the infamous chicago school who inspired reagan and thatcher talking about what pinochet's military dictatorship in chile meant to him and its not so much the death squads torture and cia training surely was a case in which military regime headed by putin. was willing to switch the organization of the economy from a top down to a bottom up performance and in their process a group of people who had been trained at the university of chicago in the department of economics who came to be called the chicago boys played

a major role in designing and implementing the economic reforms in fact powerful elites would use this military dictatorship as a touch tone for privatizing everything in civic society and they took the credit for a boom even though chile's copper mines the big source for revenue in fascist chile whenever privatized at all these elites would go on to support islam is to movements in their quest for ever more territory and resources the u.s. and u.k. would fund the groups linked to saudi born a sum of bin laden and of course sixteen years ago today bin laden would carry have an attack on the united states both nine eleven is of the product arguably of a system that according to one academic can and must be replaced humans have a fundamental. the rate for the free creative work. to drool be any kind of.

domination mr servant. of the poor simply really should only a nice or true lucian is going to have to justify. but if he could be dismantled the groups were free cooperative we're just. talking you know i'm from ski there in the new film accidental anarchist is the former u.k. diplomat collin ross he saw the nine eleven two thousand and one attacks first hand and he's the founder and executive director of consultancy independent diplomat thanks so much for coming on the show good just to see you again so we know that within minutes of the nine eleven attacks in washington the new york the so-called deep state which are getting so much as open ludden as iraq just take us back to what it was like you saw it they attack first and i didn't i i wouldn't say it was immediate i mean i there was a tremendous sense of the u.s. and indeed to a degree the u.k. government being totally bewildered by what happened on that day i remember being

in the u.n. security council the day off the woods and the u.s. delegation being without instructions about what to say at the u.n. security council about the attacks so the narrative of having to go off to iraq took a long time actually took several weeks but you saw in a sense that two things are connected there was a policy vacuum off the nine eleven the government didn't know what to do had to respond to had to reassert its legitimacy to defend the population and the neo-cons jumped into that moment and claimed that iraq was the major threat that's what i saw that's how that story began with a diplomat as a share at the memorial service in new york you describe in your amazing film of phonies. accidental abacus. what it was like when tony blair if you call the people here for the foreign office in london is having a ball nibley one of these one foreign office people just to be fair to my old

employer there were a number there were number ten people which was different i mean there's a culture in government that the top dog barks the loudest that everybody has to make way and that was a culture that unfortunately seemed to inform their behavior in even in such a sensitive and tragic situation as the families gathering together after nine eleven that you know we have to clear away we have to make sure everything's right he's going to get this pew to hell with the whole poloi they can wait outside in the rain except in that case the holy ploy where families of people who've been killed in the attack so it was a particularly egregious experience now on this anniversary why do you think today's race still refuses to give access to information regarding saudi connections to september the eleventh two thousand and one i don't know but i can only speculate what seems to me to be absolutely over us which is the saudis would have put pressure on the u.k. government not to release such a report because it would be embarrassing to the saudi government because although

bin laden and the nine eleven hijackers were in many ways opposed to the saudi government there is no question that the global policy of the saudis in promoting wahhabi and extremist ideology around the world is the garden from which terrorism has grown and that there is an intimate connection between the policies of the saudi government and the explosion of extremist terrorism around the world and that fact has to be denied and the u.k. has a very lucrative relationship with saudi arabia which it wishes to protect the saudi government. doing all they can to fight islam well they've created a monster which now in some ways they are fighting that they were part of that creation and the continuation of the fight in the terms that we have. the war against terror has in a way legitimized that battle as a legitimize the opponent in a curious way because bin laden and the others wanted

a war and we gave them a war when in fact after nine eleven there was a choice of whether we treated the perpetrators of that horrific attack as criminals or legitimate fighters and incense by in a sense by declaring a war on terror we legitimize the enemy if you see what i mean the attacks you opposed to afghanistan when it was pretty dangerous as you've written about what does it make you feel that the hundreds of british soldiers still there in afghanistan and all jumpers escalated fifteen thousand of us soldiers of today. what is going on today is the logical continuation of a policy that has been going on for a long time under previous administrations too but evidently it's a failed policy taliban is increasing its territorial control in afghanistan clearly there needs to be a discussion with the taliban if that conflict is ever to come to an end because the current balance of forces suggest there's going to be endless conflict in

afghanistan which is a horror show and nobody predicted that would happen after the allied intervention in afghanistan after nine eleven there was lots of kind of idealist rhetoric about bringing democracy to afghanistan which i think looking back and again i was part of this was incredibly naive incredibly naive that you could just go into a country and transform its institutions transform a deeply fractured and divided country into care here and democratic unity that was just stupid in the extreme and yet that was the rhetoric we happily outed after using nine eleven and saw the light and found it independent diplomat this consultant see just lead. to better consult was it depended on funding very often more often than not. i think you've mentioned that you tried getting money from richard branson before realising something startling yeah we tried to get money from richard branson foundation before realising that virgin

organization was holding a kite flying a kite surfing festival in the occupied territory of the western sahara where we have advised the people trying to allow ourselves to terminations for the western sahara at the front of the program which is illegally occupied by morocco and you know an occupation in which version is now complicit by holding sports festivals and building hotels in morocco except etc etc and this to me was the starkest example of the case where when you're trying to transform a system in favor of justice to a very uncomfortable extent your relying on the people who are already powerful in that system of injustice to get funding you can't run on fresh air you have to pay people you have to travel you have to run an organization and that means going to where the money is and sometimes that means facing these very uncomfortable choices about who gives you money i wish it were not the case i think every leader of an ngo probably feels the same way as me it's best to be frank about it because i

think it's a problem that we need to address like it was your brother to come on the program and send in my belly. asking for funding for my. brother the a bit of these were also the fact that you realize you weren't the good guys that you always thought you were when you're fighting the battles on the british foreign office is what you say to people in the foreign office today but it's a career where i think people in the commentary. believe we are the good guys on north korea yeah in this go to korean crisis. everybody thinks they're the good guys that's the trouble. and i think in the british government like all western governments but i suspect in all governments people are surrounded by people telling each other. a narrative that they're doing the right thing and it is one of the reasons i'm convinced that creating an elite of people to run affairs according to a different moral system is

a profound mistake and it is why i believe in their philosophy of amec is a most people governing themselves without such institutions and because at the moment tens of thousands of refugees escaping a country with a defacto leader. was one of the good people we know there's a debate in israel israeli arms for the me and government to see the situation. as a part of the analysis i think i think is a very good example be it a nobel peace prize or suchi was all operated by the kind of bad all celebrities. group you know george clooney isn't that this world is this kind of humanitarian political heroine and now she's revealing how to true colors now she's in government and i suspect you know it is government that does force this odious position upon her of defending what is essentially ethnic cleansing in iraq and state of the i'm sure she's doing it to keep the military happy because if she

doesn't get the military happy and tell their version of events that they're protecting all the people of rakhine state which is a great test why she would lose power she worries about being deposed perhaps a military coup is on her mind so she thinks she has good reasons for taking this line publicly but it is despicable she's defending what is essentially atrocities and potentially genocide we're talking about in the case of the right i should just ask about the role of sanctions because. nikki haley the u.n. the america's best of the u.n. saying this will be the way with north korea sanctions after all what you were part of against iraq that killed all those children head of the two thousand and three war what. actions against countries and in conflict. sanctions is now. very broad spectrum of things from comprehensive economic sanctions to naming people and cutting off their bank accounts and access to the financial system or stopping them travel with travel bans individuals within the system so

you're looking at that spectrum when you're talking about sanctions the needs of the civilian population must always be paramount among the factors when you're considering sanctions the people of north korea have suffered enormously comprehensive economic sanctions may have their appeal as a coercive measure against the regime but if they are going to cause comprehensive suffering to the north koreans and they need to be real politically as a percentage of the target well i think i'll do it but i think politicians need to get a lot more intelligent and did the media and the public need to get a lot more intelligent about how they talk about sanctions that we distinguish between certain types of sanctions so we get to know what a good sanctions what a bad sanctions i think you know targeting individual people who are responsible for instance for war crimes is legitimate and is one of the few sources of coercion that the international community may have short of the use of force there are people out there who will do bad thing i doing i was going to bother kim jong un's family and friends going again you may well be right the options are very bad you

know i'm not claiming that targeted sanctions against the regime are the answer for this crisis but i'm also saying that economic conference of economic sanctions against north korea will cause an awful lot of damage to the population have already suffered and therefore i think they should not be the choice but equally military force should not be the tool of choice that doesn't leave a not an awful lot of options apart from actually talking with the d.p. r. k. regime which is obviously the way this needs to go garner us thank you after the break as suicide bombers target bug around their base in afghanistan in the past few days a former advisor to the pentagon describes the power corruption and lies in the longest war now with donald trump escalation all this and more coming up to him going underground.

welcome back many u.s. officials have resigned over the global war of terror which has cost american taxpayers more than two trillion dollars and destabilize regions right around the world after the attacks on washington new york sixteen years ago today one of them

is an iraq veteran who has worked for the pentagon and the at the state department before resigning over the usas longest war in afghanistan where british troops continue to be deployed multi award winning senior fellow at the center for international policy matthew hoh joins me now from wake forest north carolina matthew thanks for coming back on the show before we go to this longest war this post nine eleven longest war your reaction to yet another attack on this time on baghdad air base in afghanistan in the past few days. well the attacks are getting you know as long as we're there this one the taliban are tying into the fact that we recently dropped leaflets on to that part of afghanistan northern afghanistan and now in a leaflet there is a dog carrying a flag purportedly the flag of the taliban i guess the white banner the black banner of the taliban but it has a qur'anic expression on it and so understanding that dogs are seen as unclean on

healthfully in muslim culture this is an incredibly stupid thing to do is why you know us we have forced possibly draw. pictures of dogs eating quranic script yet you know it boggles the mind that you could be this incompetent but it also could be another thing out it could be then that the this understanding that we're at this point in the war in these wars where. the generals who are in charge of the wars who really control the war trump goes along with what president trump goes all of what they say they are attitude is a gloves off attitude that way these wars would be conducted is the end state is military control is is waiting by military force and that means punishing the population and that then trickles down to the lower levels and so you

have maybe one star generals or colonels or majors who make these decisions because they feel empowered to do so so this goes in line with what we've seen in the broader american campaign throughout the middle east in iraq and yemen in syria now with the airstrikes with just the punishing air strikes against populations where they buy our air forces or by the saudi or forces just devastating city's infrastructure and slaughtering people yelling at. and i should say trained by all the best to our fair in britain but i mean on afghanistan maybe even before the first of the new trump escalation arrived it suddenly emerged that there were only supposed to be eight thousand u.s. troops there and suddenly four thousand extra troops according to the wall street journal are in afghanistan u.s. troops whether they come from well the pentagon is going to say in general mattis who is now the secretary to fatten said and this is you know united states not to

go on too long a tangent but united states we've had a tradition or they're supposed to be this understanding of civilian control the government civilian control the military that's been completely abrogated here where you see that three of the most important positions in three of the positions that trump is really being weighed in on by the secretary defense the white house chief of staff and the national security advisor or all either former generals or in case of him mcmaster a serving general have a military junta democratically elected leader. it is but this is these are the dangers because what you have is that whereas in under bush and obama as incredibly immoral and impractical and counterproductive as their policies were the middle east at least there was a political or reject or a goal tied to their end state and those policies were governed by a president and a team of advisors who weren't who took the political considerations into

effect under trump the military generals who are in charge of these policies no longer have such restraints and more importantly no longer see the world in anything other than their own military lenses so again this is how you can get these men who see themselves as modern day legionnaires roman legionnaires who view the american empire as the apex of civilization that warfare is a constant state. throughout human human history and that these wars must just be managed by violent force by subjugating the enemy population not working with them not trying to set up elections or win hearts and minds or do any kind of economic development and so that's what you see here but i'm going to get on to the development in a second but when you are in the state department within the as just after nine eleven did you deliberately on the count the number of u.s.

troops being deployed to u.s. wars. no no they did not dated absolutely not can't do that they would do there's always going to be a fudge number right because you've got all these thousands of people moving back and forth but that's not what this is this was a deliberate under-counting. general mattis who is now the secretary defense he claims that it's not my fault this is the policy i inherited however just a few years ago he was in charge of our entire essential command which includes afghanistan so this was his policy and now he stands there lies and says he doesn't understand how this policy works because he's new to this situation that why and in the lies on top of about why they were lying about the numbers just kind of just really goes to show that malfeasance that is presence within the pentagon within the american militarized foreign policy and then of course within the trump ministration that allows all this and forces it really through it's through the way

it handles its own government its own military they obviously have run up or a british operations when they're over there as well but i mean more than ten thousand british servicemen and women were killed or injured since nine eleven in deployments fighting the good fight in afghanistan you're talking about allies what about the fact that there are millions of school children school girls are being educated and all the other things we're told about the happening because we're spending these hundreds of billions of dollars. oh absolutely for many years for many years for the better part of the last decade and a half the american government in the british government in. nato and other european governments have said that our troops they are are our service members who are there in afghanistan killing and dying are the benefit to the afghan population can be measured though it's so great and one of the things they've said is all

these millions of schoolgirls all these schools we've built in security we provide have allowed all these children particularly girls to go to school in the millions and what we know is it's not truly afghan government amidst the numbers have been false the average attendance is only thirty percent of what the afghan government and the american government have been reporting for decades for a decade and a half basically and in some places it cases it's as low as ten percent of the student population actually exists that was being reported so great and see if they have health care and have comes all these things and lies i mean is the most visible outcome of the whole afghan war seriously i mean more drugs on the streets of in a city washington d.c. and london. yeah absolutely and at least i believe in in europe you're meeting you're out you're the heroine is coming from afghanistan any united states we're

still lying about it and our government claims it's all coming from mexico which is impossible is the only industry the only thing that has been successful there besides the the american in the european defense contractors that have made just tens and tens and tens of billions of dollars off of these wars has been the drug trade in afghanistan went from having almost no poppy cultivation. to you know the growth of the the plants that produce the heroin. to now having about ninety five percent of the world's supply and the law that's associated with this is that the taliban are control drug trade now the taliban will tax a drug period and take money from it of course and for the most part but the people who are control of the drug trade are the very people that americans brits danish canadian you know except for forces had been in bed with for the last decade and

a half they they are the people in the afghan government they are the war the words the militia commanders and the afghan governors in ministers they are the ones who control the drug trade and we've known this as assuming the it's not the international heroin cartels that are talking directly to the white house they to ten downing street and that if the arms companies is it worth now then when general eisenhower talked about the military industrial complex. hijacking democracy it is it's it's worse because it's in the united states there is a complete disregard for providing the social services needed. at wawa we go abroad and kill people so under president eisenhower and john f. kennedy saw the same thing and lyndon baines johnson as well who succeeded john kennedy who didn't run for a term in office again because as president because the vietnam war was immoral and

unwinnable he knew it but also because his domestic priorities providing health care to the people in britain made him possibly even improving upon a civil rights situation were impossible due with the vietnam war and so what we see in this is why america can kill a million plus people in the middle east since nine eleven and while we also have the highest murder rate in the industrialized world it's why we're the biggest arms export are and we also personally own three hundred fifty million guns right it's why america has eight hundred military bases around the world and the most prisons and the most prisoners if you look at where our priorities are and how much we're spending on our social services you will surely see that our priority is either militarized efforts overseas war or militarized efforts at home so yes i think it's much more so than under eisenhower just briefly and finally if us still at the state department then do you think that there will be voices in

a state department viewing a hydrogen bomb from north korea as an opportunity to sell arms to south korea more than anything else oh absolutely and we've seen that we've already said they've shrunk present shoppers already authorized the sale of more weapons to south korea they were going to increase the amount of warhead amount explosives at the korea south koreans could have on top of their bombs on top of their rockets on top their missiles which is going to create an arm through a little mini arms race on top of the arms race it's already existing in asia but absolutely and of course for years now going back through president obama and under president obama's manners ation plan for nuclear weapons. we now have usable nuclear weapons smaller more usable nuclear weapons and so now we have a president from with these generals around him who see the world only in a military view who have usable nuclear weapons with north korea

as a potential target so it is a very very dangerous situation but it's also a gold mine for the for the united defense companies that euro thank you and that's it for the show will feel wednesday when the british broadcasting legend the lead winds advises u.k. shadow chancellor john mcdonnell german corben to power by a landslide field and keep in touch by social media will feel one hundred sixty nine years to the day of one of a lot of just official mass executions in american history the hanging of members of island st patrick's battalion fighting on the side of mexico against the usa. eighteen years ago i traveled across the united states exploring america's deadly

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