after a time they were going underground is just a few miles away from this studio london i was taught of the largest arms dealing occasions on the planet coming up in the show we need a government and an economic and industrial policies that are not stuck in some nineteen eighties tynwald of neo liberal as u.k. labor leader jeremy call been calls out neil liberalism of britain's trade union congress conference we are asking is shadow chancellor richard book about greed nationalizing justice after decades of a neo liberalism and who is regulating the regulators we speak to award winning broadcaster national treasure no one edmonds as he fights financial regimes on the tenth anniversary of the collapse of britain's middle the world bank and from the headlines will review the claims of payoffs in caracas and the right royal bum on

the freehold free for all all of them all coming up in today's going underground but for us it's arguably unsurprising that today a tory british prime minister like to raise money should have a defense secretary address one of the largest arms dealing festivals in the world before donald trump's three hundred fifty billion dollars deal with saudi arabia now threatening tens of millions in yemen there was out of courtesy of want to raise maize heroines. this was the most corrupt commercial transaction in commercial history of all time it was sanctioned by margaret thatcher who son mark thatcher was paid twelve million pounds as a bribe on the deal the greatest irony of all though is that the son of the saudi defense minister prince bandar bin sultan who was the saudi ambassador to the united states at the time was paid over a billion pounds into his accounts which were held in riggs bank opposite the white

house in washington d.c. some of that money found its way into his wife's account and inadvertently he claims into the accounts of two of the nine eleven hijackers that your son mark strongly denies receiving payments from the deal and prince bandar similarly denies allegations about accounts and nine eleven the saudis did force the british government to end its serious fraud office investigation into the deal though but today u.k. defense secretary michael phelan who was all for funneling u.k. arms to al-qaeda linked rebels in syria to overthrow its government speaks at the arms dealing meeting in the xcel center in east london that's fallon who clearly does not agree with u.k. foreign secretary boris johnson about the so-called told you so brigade those who oppose british policy he said it is difficult to deny that they have a point the told you so brigade. well i don't agree with that so boris johnson the foreign secretary is wrong well i have to say the words that you're trying to quote to me i don't have them in front of me just trying to them well i'll have to look

at them it's unlikely anyone will go to jail for selling arms today in london to despotic regimes that could endanger british security let alone that of millions of civilians in fact quite the contrary even the corporation tax is accruing from arms sales will arguably be diverted to guaranteeing the solvency of banks in the city of london rather than paying for britain's prison system a system that disproportionately locks up the poor the reality is that presided over a tory cup since two thousand and ten there's no ten thousand less operational staff than the was in two thousand and ten working after more prisoners well joining me now is the u.k.'s shadow sector estate for justice and shadow lord chancellor richard bergen n.p.r. is a maze arguable legacy of prison riots suicide and understaffing in an era of auctioning off private contracts to the highest bidder shuttle just before we go to prisons the legendary brokers in all the branches on the show

a bit later and he says that the labor party i don't german corben is the bookies favorite to be the next prime minister would sweep the boards if you said a bit more about our small businesses were being affected by predatory capitalism in the city of london and the bankers why aren't you saying we'll jump on jeremy called in the labor same how i've made clear that we wouldn't want the city of london and the banks to get away with what they got away with before and that's a fragile ation is needed and we want to rebalance the economy as well and actually in some way the small businesses have been treated badly by the banks and are getting the loans need to expand that's one of the reasons that we had a policy reason a best man's ok well let's go to rebalancing justice arguably entirely. dicta bill that the u.k. prisons are in crisis with uprisings in british journals this crisis been going on a long time it's a conservative created crisis we objected to the conservative government putting

them reprise novices by seven thousand since two thousand and ten and the lurching from incidents incidents in our prisons and it's just getting worse and worse no there's no doubt that thousands of been cut but how on earth can you save the conservatives when it was a labor party that pursued the policy of privatizing justice and force weren't designed designed constructed measure violence twenty five year prison contracts this is all under labor so let me make it clear the position of labor in two thousand and seventeen and that is we are deeply deeply uncomfortable with the idea of profit been made from the incarceration of human beings under labor government will be no new private sector prisons but you still have faith in g. four s. and today the private contractors running so many of our for profit prisons right now the tagging scandal that g four s. have been exposed for instance that g four s.

run prisons repeatedly do does beg the question what does g four s. need to do for the government to consider whether they want to continue with their contractual relationships with g four s. without a doubt you're saying no more new prisons it's either moral or it's immoral to make cash of punishment a labor government and jeremy corbyn would not renege on these twenty five year contract which i should say bracks it would allow maybe legally allow them to do well we'll be looking into that and say the manifest at the last general election said clearly to be no new private prisons under a labor government because what businesses have told me is that whereas in the past you may be able to say oh look the public sector prisons are in a much better state in certain private sector prisons that can no longer be said to the case is a crisis in the public sector prisons and a crisis. in the private sector prisons as well assuming that none of the shadow cabinet are secretly directors of any of these companies why can't you make a commitment right there to nationalizing these justice services in this country

now well the next general election will be reviewing our policies everything will be fully costed and coming out with a new an expanded manifesto on just this and everything else but we want to solve the crisis of drugs overcrowding understaffing and violence in our prisons first of all by starting off in proper investing in our prisons starting up by getting one thousand extra prison officers lifting the public sector pay cap to stop the crisis of people leaving the president's prison service as well because it's not just about the courts that the conservatives have caused or decided to make in prison officer numbers it's also the fact that that has allowed some more violence in our prisons less order more disorder and that has meant that experience prison officers are leaving the prison service i went to a prison just a few weeks ago and half the prison stuff there had less than a year is service and that's quite incredible when you think of the demanding job doing so what we've got is a kind of deadly cocktail of experience prison officers leaving the service and

experience prisoners remaining in the service all too often almost running the show in the prisons ok well there may be some movement of the pick up who knows from juries or may but as of today i mean what are relatives and parents of young offenders supposed to do when i presume you agree with the majesty's inspector a prisoner says not one young offender institution is safe in england and wales not should shame the government has been real inaction from the government since that announcement let's remember as well that those people in those institutions are children and they have to be treated in a different way to adult prisoners and we've got to get that aspect of just this right as well you just because if we don't it makes it more likely that people are facing problems won't be rehabilitated won't be given a stake in society and could end up more likely in and out of the out. prison service when they get older you can you make of it to overturning blair or tory privatization of prisons what about probation would you take that under democratic control nationalized probational as it says as i said in our manifesto will be

reviewing the probation companies private probation companies unison neighborhood g.m.b. all seeing them instead of taking power and then bailing them out which is what they are we start out with where we start off as our manifesto said with a review into the role of these private probation companies the levels of refining are too high levels of recidivism are too high and that's fighting to keep society say rehabilitation is important not only for the former prisoners or the prisoners themselves actually important for the whole of society i have heard plenty of instances of people going in prison without serious drug addictions coming out with serious drug addictions and actually committing more serious offenses when other universe than their own private prisons prisons both in the public um private sector can become and are becoming academies of crime if there's disorder in there if there isn't the stuffing in there and if they're washed with drugs it was chris

grayling who created these twenty one private community rehabilitation companies can they be legal action against him i mean what presumably you would say the whole of this justice system is in is in crisis and it's being created by this privatization is the conservative record on just this which they consider to be one of their strengths but clearly now one of their will is say they are going to employ more prison officers and so on with the former director general of the prison service will we consider news of the week that things got so bad in his words now it seems that the occupation of ministry of justice ministers is to issue cheery pressure elise's saying everything's going swimmingly was in fact it's not i did some research which showed that despite the government's boasts about getting more prison officers in after their original seven thousand a third of. prisons have had a fall in the number of prison officers since january this year that's simply not good news at all but the government's record when it comes to just a sector illuminates the failure of the government's ideology and agenda across the

board because as i say the prisons showcase austerity not working showcases the results of concerted cuts in the probation service showcases the failure of conservative privatized and the near liberal agenda which they've pursued of cuts and privatized ation has only failed in the just this system it's failed right across the board which is why in my view they failed to get all of the reasons that failed to get the majority that reason may was after back in june well ok you are committing to reviews presume he's another review when it comes to legal aid restoring the other legal protections that were before the the bailout of the bank will be exciting news is that on the monday of labor party conference just coming up there will be will be launching the back report into access to justice including legal aid one of the first things that happened after jeremy corbyn became leader the labor party in the first leadership election was that lord really about sets of this access to justice review which is looking at legal aid deserts where legal

aged isn't available it's looking out the effects of the legal aid sentencing in punishment offenders out conserved in the democrats brought in so there will be announcements arising from that very shortly and not really going to tell me then what about free legal aid for people whose families people who died in police custody all these things will be considered in this report but i'm going to pester did say that would start off by reintroducing legal aid in relation to family law not would be a start and wants into reintroducing further areas as well because in about three days we've a blairite david learn we do some work for the ministry of justice what do you make of his report that i think one of the young black people young people of color nine times more likely to get prison than white people i think that he should be should be commended. reports of the most disturbing things in david lammy reports was sad that there's a great disproportionality in the number of black people in prison in the u.k.

and then is in the united states of america which if you think about it is quite quite incredible i'm glad that the government says in response to. reports that they're going to give serious consideration to what we do need serious in relation to data collection in relation to monitoring to ensure that we get rid of discrimination in the justice system under the police regulators looking into the recent shootings of people of color in london over the summer but i would like labor m.p.'s who voted for war is that killed displaced or wounded tens of millions of people of color and now implicitly criticizing british police for being racist i think david la may as always spoken out against racism should be commended for this voted for the iraq war well jeremy jeremy corbyn should be commended for opposing the iraq war opposing intervention in libya positions are shared on both those issues and david imus should be commended for this report which will inform labor policy in tackling discrimination here in the u.k.

and the justice system shatter launch answer thank you we'll have the tory perspective on saturday's show after the break deal or no deal how would winning broadcaster know lebanese came to blows with the bankers after taking lloyd's to court for three hundred million pounds the headlines a weapons windfall in the middle east on the back tracking piece from the bolts of a civil coming up in part two of going underground. yanks this is what happens to pensions in britain. as a report. welcome

back today blairite former labor johnson alistair darling who began bailing out the city of london and prepared britain for austerity gives a speech on the anniversary of his paying off the debts of one of the u.k.'s largest mortgage lenders northern rock here he is reflecting on twenty first century advance capitalism i was on all of the family and i was sent to get the morning bread and milk and i happened to notice a copy of the f.t. and i saw it on the chance for a better have a look and see what's going on abortion and i was standing there waiting for it to get up and i read this report that the french bank society general had warmed up suspended dealings with three of its farms because it couldn't value them anymore because of the subprime crisis on the same. page was an article saying one of the german regional banks was in trouble so i phoned the treasury and said if it's happening here it must be happening in london yes new labor chancellor alistair

darling heard about rumblings of the worst economic catastrophe in the western world since the nine hundred thirty s. whilst perusing a newspaper on holiday well some a demanding justice people like brokaw sitting legend know will lead mince with me is arguably one of the reasons why i'm in broadcasting with he is no all edwin's the here infamous british broadcaster no less i was going to try another you missed us ok famous i was going to have a funny conversation with you but you were outside parliament not because lots of m.p.'s want to complain about swap show and now are not having much of a laugh in they have been meeting middle cromwell who is chair of the all party group on faith banking and he's showing a lot of interest in lloyds banking group and the aftermath of the h boss' crime which was described here in this very building as the worst banking crime in british history will visit get people from lloyds to respond to that but these are

these are the banks that were bailed out by the british taxpayer and you believe that their actions were not the actions of a reputable institution well i don't think standing here is the appropriate time to go into the detail of all this but the fact of the matter is six people went to prison in january and lloyd's have apologized they've had miti liability and they put into place a compensation scheme there are many people in that building and many of the victims who feel they are not conducting that scheme fairly compassionately and swiftly but that's really what it's about our not looking to create massive waves but we do have a problem in the u.k. banking industry that needs to be looked at why do you have faith in select committees given that up. of the billions hundreds of billions pulled in to save the british banking industry at the expense of the taxpayer very little scrutiny

many people believe was applied by select committees in parliament i think very little scrutiny was applied by almost any of those organizations that form part of what i call the regime the regulators have been on the case when we've got a situation where independent board it's a banks are conducted by the very companies like a p.m.g. you make millions out of them when you have an inquiry into a bank conducted by one of the big four city law firms who make zillions out the banks you can't talk about anything being independent and that's one of the issues that we were talking about and one of the things that we as a society need to look into do we want fair honest transparent banking i suggest that millions of people have suffered ten years of austerity one that they've changed the names of the regulator financial conduct authority so forth and they would be the first to say but we depend on people who have worked at the big five old it is and so on and the big five legal. companies because they have the

experience to understand what goes wrong therefore we have to. apply what you might accuse them of being the revolving door how you know the the the truth of the matter is these people are employed because they know where the skeletons are they know how to malpractise they know how to get away with things without actually breaking the law i mean we have a banking system in this country where the proper people the real people are being sell assault sold financial products which then turn out to pay in appropriate i think a p.p.i. and then i heard the banks are fine but they've already built that into their p. and l. i mean it's an extraordinary situation where they push the law i mean imagine you may have a driving license and you would abide by. the highway code you don't go out each day and think well i'll keep breaking the law until i get called but that's how the bankers operate yes but the way you are talking sounds very similar to the way when

he has had a chance to john mcdonnell talk about banking practices do you think you're going to see this in as a shadow chancellor is going to come up with something for it. or i'll say something else on a political level but please you know you stopped me i was walking through here doing something else and we've latched on to the subject the only reason i'm here is because my businesses were destroyed by lloyds banking group h. boss and they went into administration and we are now negotiating the compensation see any reason i'm here i'm not on some sort of great campaign on not being bob geldof about many other businesses are alleged to cuba affected his huge numbers of people i mean lloyd's have publicly said they is one hundred million pound compensation fund i guarantee you it's going to be billions when they went at the beginning of p.p.i. they said ninety million is the contingency they're now in for eighteen billion

they mislead maybe not always knowing all the facts themselves we're being fair but they're pretty bad at their forecasts but the other thing which you won't broadcast but i find astonishing the aforementioned mcdonald's and there's a fellow with a parrot jeremy covert yeah they could cremate into that place just up there they would go in on the biggest tidal wave of public opinion if they said they were going to clean up the city and he stated they make stupid comments about student loans and then don't fulfill the promises they made if corbin say that i am going to clean up the city he could wipe out the tory party only son has tried to say that in the united states and it was the party protecting wall street oh i don't hear a clinton to try to destroy i don't hear anything about. u.s. politics now as i've just shown i know very little about u.k. politics i'm just making the point things need to be cleaned up and you brought up

the subject to mr macdonald i did ok just very briefly forget about deal or no deal which is very very difficult to head of my generation but the critical of critical importance swap shop in this time of austerity surely you're going to present a come back for that seminal television never i never go back but i do admire you for one particular reason and i don't know whether your anticipated this but i've never ever met a broadcaster. who matches he spirit and his microphone. no lebanese thank you. no lebanese there on the green outside the house of lords we should add that lloyds banking group for its part says we are committed to doing everything we can to support those affected and we are continuing to make good progress in getting offers to the victims of the fraud joining me now there is a keen deal or no deal found to go through the week papers none of the broadcasts of all the liberal democrat front bench are lembit opaque and i understand lembit

that when one thousand five percent of our geographical audience won't understand what i'm talking about mr blobby you are in a stone commanding some sort of troop troop action against russia nothing to lobby about this i said i do this as with boris johnson actually the foreign secretary would you believe now that starts me without my eyes it would only thing he's pointing at me just called them bits do you come here often sinister nasa says a rapid trident which the british are involved in against russia starts on saturday they're celebrating a future is in conference don't be so our annoyed easily back by now anyway let's go to his old friend actually the barclay brothers newspaper the telegraph oh yes interesting headline here the telegraph says denis can the rebels against germany corbin as he votes with tories for repeal pale. most important piece of legislation in british history it's been called never mind that it's more important to rebelled he's actually done the fingers in the past at labor rebels he said once that he

wouldn't do the cross party stuff and lo and behold he defines his leader he's meant to be an ally of jeremy corbin's and votes with the tories does anyone really care he walked out of an interview with going underground accusing me of being a far right conservative he accused me once of having him being in parliament when i was in short pants and only because i'd dared to make a jocular jibe at him doesn't like it up a model wearing shorts and well i wasn't he was empowering it he said i was in school when he got elected that we were in the cage when he came back from his throne here presumably you went to this which i think is a reference to this anyway the conference in the east end of london selling lots of arms is from i wasn't there some but i read about it it says a u.k. arming repressive regimes five point three billion dollars worth of weapons license to menace and a big congratulations to all those british companies involved it's a triumph of exports option great feather in the cup for the conservatives and when

you look at who they're selling them to saudi arabia for example lots happening in yemen that provably with weapons sold from the u.k. huge contradictions about the hundred governments there is about british government's position on human rights but they're very happy to take the military dollar here from what are regarded as repressive regime is firm but you've shown in this run the morning instead of that have a look at this headline here the shadow of chile falls on venezuela pinochet than the taurus dictator there and has to be said trying to friend to the west in martin that's only a hugely supported because nine eleven the anniversary was this week of the installation of dictator in america all that happening but it's being loaded into the venezuelan democratic system now what's interesting here is a slight rerun of the sort of fake news we've had. crosses decades in south america venezuela is being accused the government has been accused to be not of not being democratic of being involved in fraud but hold on a second look at the results that president to do is got two thirds majority in the

national assembly twenty out of twenty three state governors twenty two out of twenty three local state assemblies he's got a landslide that's the reason may can only dream of now they've got these merril actions coming on it's got nasty why because it seems that madieu is not that popular with the west so you get headlines like chaos in caracas but it seems if you look objectively at it it's nothing of the sort of the world is referring to veterans nine eleven sanctions is going to institute financial sanctions or by maybe even ahead of the opec meeting next week and it has no death squads yet in fairness and that they would add. how you jump so smoothly after prince harry that's prince charles is on his thirty third i think the guy who used to wear the nazi uniform his birthday on friday was a one off who doesn't wear as good of this song is about freeholds the guardian reports duchy of cornwall residents fight unfair freehold ban got long story short

in some parts of this even terri's father them prince charles prince charles yes and i head to the throne you're pushing the connection because it's very simple story here this is residents want to be able to buy freehold they say that by and large if you fulfill certain conditions you should be able to do it but they're not allowed to because the land is owned by prince charles throwing in the fact that he owns twenty million pounds a year private encumber he earned that money fair and square just as buckingham palace is earned by a moment i'm going to sideswipe you i agree i don't think there's anything wrong with him not selling the fields because it's one way that for example in their national trust you know go on go and i can see your so on thing about this. national trust dancer be a fine thing the national treasure sucking up to them or holds back free holds as well to protect important architectural bill. things and other property i see no problem in this and wait a minute these people knew exactly what they were buying exactly. whatever you were accidently being probed royalist maybe like nothing wrong with

a light renting something in the crown estate say in central london regent street or whatever and that particular game you're going to look at certainly no problem with a predatory head of state. no doubt thank you very much oh lord. long live the queen . for the show will be back with the tony award winning director of also on the week of the anniversary of the failed peace accord is something to discuss like the treading the boards back called news to kill civilians today tell them you can touch writers and you will see on saturday thirty five years to the day u.s. u.k. back to israeli defense forces defacto borders with sabra and shatila massacre in beirut killing up to three and a half thousand palestinian refugees. candidate donald trump ran on a campaign that not only question many foreign policy board to doxies but also

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