there was just so much confusion some rumors were being spread about a nice man on the loose but i don't think that was true again with all of this happens it's easy to jump to conclusions because you're really on edge think what's going to happen here next i live near the back end of the tube so i'm guessing most people leaving the front entrance is a got no idea how many people would have been injured but someone came out and said that some people had been burned but we've seen that or so she said this woman in floods of tears walking towards me and a guy behind her on a bike he was saying is just an accident don't worry people it brings out the best in people when this kind of thing happens to them you see it again time and time again are going to say especially look those were probably see it some time going around the world in the face of adversity people often do band together and try to help each other as best they can and often put themselves in danger as well to try and rescue other people because your instinct is to run here but if you see somebody injured or you want to go and help them to. let's talk about that you know the kind of psychological impact this could have although it wasn't is the fear is

it could have been this explosion the stampede the panic the experience of being so close to something like this there were children on this train and what kind of impact is this going to have on them in the future of course that's what was no idea at all just to stress that no one as far as we know so far as come forward to say they were behind this could have been a single person with a grudge so a lone person maybe with just do not know but of course terror terrorists want to strike terror they want to make you think every time we go into an airport every time you get on to a metro every time you go to a shopping center look at the alert syria moscow just a couple of days ago just someone a phone saying the potentially thousands of people have been the shopping centers here in russia just over but you can't take a risk of somebody on a on a on a phone striking terror and that's of course what they want to do it doesn't have to be sophisticated could be as much as a threat. now we got chris on from the line former u.k.

army intelligence officer chris is kevin know it look here i'm with you talking to your high up you can hear it's going to be like hi there so what do you make of this incident crude of course we've seen the pictures. it's nothing to the. news of a second one but we've heard no more what's up until this morning and indeed who could even be behind it. ok so first of all and it's apologized because i haven't slept in forty eight hours and i've lost my voice ok we'll get a you clearly get world anyway and place and secondly i was an intelligence officer but my main specialization was as a cancer responder supposed operator so during the seven seven bombings the suicide bombings on the metro in london and she doesn't stop and the subsequent ones i'm twenty one seven i was to conduct a cobra national emergency committee as subject matter specialist on these bombings

so i was very very familiar with it and this morning when i came back from a fully alex also knows little about voice by going to phone call and it's on the news.

we saw the device failed to function the only of the caveats is that this could be nothing close to the top and it could be a building which you can accuse against and actually mix together and cause a reaction so we do need to wait to get more information as well and should other unlikely that's exactly what one. passer by there whether it was there or not and over he treated he said hang on i was on the train let's not forget let's not jump to conclusions this could have been a builder or an electrician simply going to work yet maybe had some chemicals that make spotted together could have had some wire in the bag maybe was going to wire

a light bulb you don't know it's very early of it i mean obviously people want to try and work out very quickly what happened but of course the crucial thing as nicky was saying just now is that train is going to be full of security cameras and so where the platform is wherever said person or persons go along with things so it can be pretty easy very quickly a lot of thought to get the images of who brought on board no. i mean i wouldn't say it's easy to say they will definitely get the images image to some police counterterrorism investigations i personally believe they're the best in the world and we've got some good people in the world but they're very good and we also have more c.c.d. the c.c.t.v. cameras. in any other city anywhere in the world so they will get him the peace in the investigation it will take time but as you rightly identify increasing they'll put all the information together they'll go through the business but it's going to be telephone evidence. witness statements now go through any other sort of

information and obviously backtrack and look at networks support staff and i think crucially when they mentioned when they stated this is a terrorist attack i'm going above and accidents and you know we know that some are going to go for it all i would say it's the last of you saw this modus operandi the source for attacks on. the failed attempt in twenty one seven resort foods acts on seven seven so they do tend to repeat them i just hope there's not another three devices out there that may well function hi chris it's technically in the studio here with kevin. as you just said you know the priority for police now is to find whoever is responsible or whichever group is responsible for leaving this device on this station train excuse me we know that the area's been cordoned off we know there's helicopters above and residents have been told to avoid the areas also schools on lockdown given that this person or these people are still need to be

found how safe is the area at the moment and what do we know about these reports of a second device being developed deactivated. what would say you know when there's a terrorist incidents when there's a bombing when innocent civilians are killed obviously it makes huge international press coverage and it's a very sensitive time but there is actually a reality about this terrorism is used by terrorists as a strategy to achieve a national political and at school or religious objectives they do it because they know it makes those terrifying images. and actually talk about your mess casualties that was done back in the day by al qaida if we look at recent incidents apart from florence they tend to be sort of you know a dozen people twenty five people and hundreds and thousands and if you live in the united kingdom. or one hundred thousand jobs to be murdered and you're one hundred

sixty times more likely to buy you a one in sixty million chance when to buy terrorists it's not going to happen unless you're incredibly unlucky because they know it works if they can appeal to our fear is whether we're in u.k. and america and iraq or russia it works and that's why we have to look at chris we've got to go across very few to the most politician place. question speaking live let's cross over from the public. firstly any member of the public with any information about this incident should please call this as a matter of urgency. any urgent information of course then call nine nine nine and plead guilty was any background information they can cause on the on terrorism hotline on zero eight hundred. eight hundred seventy eight seventy nine three two one. also anybody with images often people take photos and film at the scene of such incidents any research into the air with images from the incident can contact us we have are we have

a web site where they can download images to and asked broadcasters to run that website address across their ticket tape over the next day. and finally i'd ask the public to remain vigilant across london and to be alert and assisting us but not to be alarmed thank you very much i think a couple of questions. so it's very much alive investigation and we're following down the lines of inquiry i said. it's a live investigation falling down the inquiry as i mentioned. you have to get the details of the injured from the n.h.s. to say the n.h.s. have said at the moment you have got eighteen people being treated in hospital thank you very much. what catches me in there because basically you have a lot same fairness i took some questions and then pretty brief says obviously they're busy at the mo when they're getting on with their investigations as to what to what happened here chris how we're on the line i don't want to strain your voice

too much more but we really appreciate your insight here going back to what happened the smalling just reminding our viewers if you just joined us chris hunters former u.k. army intelligence officer and the terrorism expert still with us. the only good that can come out of this chris is that i think donna what your judgment on it is as the expert that this could have been so was so much worse by the looks of it so much more damage could have been done. you're absolutely right primarily you know we could be thankful that this is a failed device and i say that only from the limited information so far but certainly you know with my experience and expertise the information was just the plain old high explosive device. it doesn't mean that that's exclusively the only benefits when a device fails it's basically a forensic gold mine we can identify the. d.n.a.

the biometrics you identify the type of device a certain groups using you can cross references with other devices that we use in other pieces of operation and potentially even tie downs with certain groups or bomb maker in addition to that we can also information see our colleagues around the world in intelligence military law enforcement so that their bombs and missiles and police officers on the ground and the members of the public will be aware of that type of device to be used by particular terrorist groups. so that it can lead us to other elements of the network the recruiters the finances the trainers and the sort of switches on the ground and if we can get control of them we can actually choose to strike them at a time and place of choosing or we can shape them to assistance in developing the operation in our favor rather than being a victim of the terrorists and chris in light of this morning is incident do you

think extra measures will be taken now to boost security on the london underground this comes of course that the country is already on high alert it's our work more could we expect to be done. i think. the underground is the safest mode of transport anywhere in the world one of the oldest of course and if you look at it and compare it some of the criminal and terrorist incidents it would rank way down. of course when this incident like this when these any terrorist incidents likelihood of any of us being killed injured were said by terrorism is one could supply be low but the reason why you think this is because danger is real fear is the most and they use a specific strategy so the stakes and influences so they don't have to kill thousands of people who would kill ten people in a barbaric way and it makes you so what would be even a star for coming on with a study of voice and are you certain we really appreciate your time like can tell

you before you go no we can hear you we we appreciate it we've we've heard you talking for a long time it's a bit poorly we can now say that apparently metropolitan police sources say that that device planted a person's great tube station in london quote only partially exploded they're saying it it didn't go off so you go back to what you're saying there that it's going to be a goldmine of evidence there you can see so much of it was left you don't know whether the perpetrator or perpetrators took care to take their fingerprints away whatever whatever is going to be a lot that the police are looking out there chris we're going to leave you for now take a loss ange put your feet up come back to a significant across this while i have a bit more insight from you later and see a time when you hear army intelligence officer and terrorism. all right let's now go to some images from inside that train if you're just joining us is that international it's quarter to two in the afternoon it's kevin only care in the studio it's called at midday than in london and that's where the main news we're

rolling with this. this morning at eight twenty this morning no these images. of the train filled with immediate aftermath of the. of what happened that device you can see the doors closing there somebody having the wherewithal bravery to sit there and film even zoom in on the thing that is going off in the corner a plastic bag looks a bit a little bag just an ordinary shopping bag. with a plastic what looked like some describing it maybe a margin. maybe a paint with some why is sticking out of it no when i first saw this this morning when we first got the quick feed of this one of my journalist colleagues here said the wires sticking out of it no surely not it looks a bit sort of acme made you feel like you're also a cartoon thing but it's far from a cartoon it's far from funny this thing went of course of. course a fireball in that one carriage not

a huge amount of destruction to the courage certainly didn't blow the roof the windows the doors you can to see some sometimes before but now we're getting that this news in from the police that indeed as seems to be the case this thing didn't go off as was intended to create is it may be though kevin as chris hunter that our guest just then former u.k. army intelligence officer and terrorism expert he said this device was almost identical to the bomb explosions we saw in the london london metro back in two thousand and find my five now we're hearing during the investigation trees are made the u.k. prime minister if he's not done so already it is late morning then we showed you for late morning so i guess it's happening now. chairing a cobra emergency committee meeting to get a handle on what's happened here of course to as you say in this note mickey to get a handle on where the perpetrator or perpetrators are because we don't think they've been apprehended yet police haven't said anything much about that and they

certainly haven't speculated or said who might be behind it eighteen people taken to hospital we're hearing from the london ambulance service but we're hearing things. no fatalities but we have seen some people burned there are reports we've got a picture of a chap on our site that tweeted a picture interest say look a skull was burnt and you heard your skin burned so quickly is no way to avoid it was a flash coming at you you can duck but it. is still almost impossible to get out the way isn't it heard. there we're seeing now turn round pictures these were a bit earlier on people really in a state of shock trying to make their way to work the last day or the week thinking hey get this day out the way it's the weekend and this all unfolds now london metropolitan police made this statement about two hours ago now following what happened this morning at eight twenty in the morning at parson's green station on the district line the london chuen. has been declared a counter terrorist related incident and will be managed and controlled by the

metropolitan police counterterrorist kemal clearly we are investigating a critical and extremely serious incident this morning at around eight twenty the emergency services were called to paulson's green to deal with what looked like an item makes loading to a small degree on a tube train there have been a number of people injured and we all still assessing the extent of those injuries for the moment obviously the station and surrounding areas closed off whilst we undertake a thorough review which transport police and the other emergency services will be assisting with that investigation as it unfolds throughout today at this stage we are still in the very early stages of the investigation and it's too early to speculate on any next steps this instant comes though after the u.k. home office just thursday yesterday said that the number of total related arrests

in britain rose sixty eight percent between june twenty sixth and june twenty seventh seen as a lot to deal with the don't hear about when you do hear the figures and shocking about the the. potential attacks that have been held at bay now these figures include arrests made after previous u.k. terror attacks in london or manchester of course the. growing becomes of some young people injured terribly this is the fifth terror instant than in the u.k. this year.

here's grim reading isn't it what we heard from two witnesses saw what happened this instant in west london this morning of the. sound explosion sound and i tell. the interesting next to the tosha in the car each i turned my head. and i saw the fire merged towards my side so i literally just said and meanwhile the lady was screaming crying so i get no i'm fortunate people you know me. so i tripped and people on top of me so i when i get oh it's

very difficult to stand up i just suddenly saw lots of people running towards me to panic mode i knew that something state is a top and so i stood up the doors were open a dispute with coming into the station. just arrived and i just i thought myself but not know it was what i was running away from. the sort of patrick who send you a political analyst and executive director twenty first century what i call my patrick side of you on the line at a time again like this here we go again what you make of this instance another act of terror played out in a public place in london causing a lot of fear thankfully not too much damage because it appears it didn't go as the perpetrator planned. yeah this looks like almost a rerun of the july twenty first two thousand and five. were bomb it was a backpack bomb to detonate and just kind of smoked its way out but you know that was writing out their mouth over the last seven seven incident only

a few weeks before. roughly the same area as well richard parsons green are very close together underground stations in the sort of. west part of west london but this is to call this an i.e.d. and almost generous i mean we were watching the video footage of it it's kind of bizarre you have a man a bucket there which is just going to earlier where everyone standing around taking pictures of it and it it's not it's for social media and it just kind of looks shouting about it looked so innocuous that was my first thought you look at this thing just could be a playing with a couple of why sticking out if you know or as one witness said they don't jump to conclusions but a building could've been a decorator somebody go into work with some wise did a bit of light bulb or something like that as well just mix the two things together and buying up it went but far from that because the police are taking extremely seriously we just heard the assistant. chief commissioner the police confirming

they're saying it was an improvised explosive device will yeah but pretty crudely made isn't it. you know it's those the kind of reports we can we can say that this was a type of flash bomb that was sort of crudely constructed with a large industrial catering bucket a man ace and so looking at the aftermath of it it wasn't exactly the explosive it was a problem because there's no it seems like the underground carries around the bucket is there a perfect condition maybe some people terrorists and who might have been immediately sanity of those for the terrorists to see why it's not very effective seem to have been injured but you know the police is saying hey what they're thinking at this point now this is come out is that they didn't go off properly didn't go off as was intended that this wasn't this thing as it was supposed to be

it was supposed to cause a lot more damage a lot more devastation that's what they're now saying that it was a kind of a. hard hearted to tie it just didn't ignite properly not scary what could have happened. you know to the term that counterterrorism officials were use will come out later in the inquest their investigation will be that the device was quoted by a ball will be sort of the term that they use to sort of determine whether its potential as a major explosive device or not but you know what this has done in terms of terror if this is a genuine terrorist incident not very effective or didn't do a lot but what he did do is bring this state into a severe and critical raising the terror threat alert sort of situation so that the government on a full terror alert and so forth of the round ups the security around and put everything on sort of a high gear so that's the actual result of it whether it was meant to be something

big earth or not or whether this was actually an effective buyable device is yet to be determined until investigation is going to. the media is already under. this world of oil wars really. cross right now patrick just only got thirty seconds i'm afraid you know it's easy to come down and say yeah could the authorities more yeah yeah yeah yeah but if you look at the other side we hear about so many attacks that have been averted how would you say the security forces the security managers in britain are coping with everything the that they're being thrown of they do pretty well and they briefly. you know you could say that well. these types of incidents. so lets you just put everything in full lockdown and you go in sort of. mode if you go to if you go to

a city like about that actually had regular terrorist attacks and real suicide bombs and people getting killed over a weekly basis. you know we're out of time afraid my friend thank you for your time of day where this project is political analyst and executive director of twenty first century dot com i'm kevin i mean this is our international we're continuing our coverage of this terrorist incident this morning in london with my colleague joining us right after the break. eighteen years ago i traveled across the united states exploring america's deadly love affair with the gun if a bad guy tried to get to one of my family members he would have better a lot better and i think they are encouraging when i buy my baby says my book was published in the year two thousand more than half a million americans have been killed by this in the u.s.

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live from moscow this is our to international vs our pictures from the scene of the terror incident on london london's metropolitan police say they are treating an explosion on a london underground train as terrorism multiple people are confirmed to have been injured many of those with burns these are live pictures from the cheap station armed officers on us you can see there are lots of emergency services right now the site as they have been for the past number of hours the incident took place parsons green station on the district.