politick and on larry king according to multiple reports the trump campaign is begun turning over documents to investigators working for the office of special counsel robert mueller the reports contend that this is all part of mr miller's investigation into possible collusion between the trump campaign and moscow so what's the significance of this and what might it portend of anything let's talk about that with lanny davis is in washington d.c. he served as white house special counsel during the clinton administration also strategic media and crisis management expert and in miami kendall coffey formerly served as the u.s. attorney is currently chairman of the southern district conference of the florida federal judicial nominating commission we welcome them both all right lanny will start with you what do you make of the trump campaign handing over documents to special counsel dealing with the campaign they've already turned him over to

congressional investigators well mr coffey will be much more expert about peeling away conspiracies under the major crime would be the collusion crime but as we remember as a political person from president nixon's ordeal during watergate it's not the crime that is un it's the cover up and the president's decision to fire james komi and then participate in a dissembling this honest explanation for the meeting that took place in june of two thousand and sixteen where there was a conversation about the russian government representative sharing incriminating information according to the e-mail to donald jr president trump himself. participated on air force one and denied in a misleading report that constituted potentially a cover up so the subpoenas from mr mueller seem to me to be starting with the

outer layers of a conspiracy to cover up or obstruct and when they if they ever do get to the collusion evidence they still have a crime in obstruction of justice potentially and conspiracy kendall is this he getting to look like it looks like that that sounds like adults. well what we're seeing is is with the turn over documents there's just a critical necessary and ordinary in the sense part of an investigation you can't really speak to the key witnesses until you have every scrap of paper of e-mail of anything so that you've got all the information otherwise either whether it's refreshing the witnesses recollection or catching the witness on some misstatements you're just not ready to go to the witness interviews so that's that's what they're going to do and lanny very properly touched on some of the areas of of criminal law interest there is certainly in the campaign phase and these are campaign documents

of focus on was there a criminal conspiracy collusion itself isn't a crime so what they're looking to do is see whether they have evidence during the course of the campaign of criminal conspiracy which could include anything from hacking computers or conspiracy to accept improper campaign contributions from foreign nationals or a foreign government the additional categories of of criminal interest are of course whether people who went into the trumpet ministration falsified through inclusion or omission material information on their financial disclosure forms or on their national security forms and we know already that there are a couple people including general flynn who got some real questions about that the third area and lanny mentioned this is often the most important area is possible obstruction or false statement and that's going to get a lot a lot of attention that may not be the focus of the campaigns documents because

that was largely pre pre pre inauguration but it's never less all part of the picture because the more guilt you show during the the earlier phase the more motive there is for people to obstruct later on so this is all part of a continuum and while it's significant that documents are be. turned over we still have a ways to go they've got to go through them they've got to categorize them they've got to classify them hannum out all the different agents and it will be a while before their interview so we i think we're still a number of months before this investigation concludes with any findings lenny what do you think the significance is of looking into michael flynn's son. because of the some was involved the father was not going to want the son to go to jail. i don't know a thing about the allegations against the son and i always warn people when they're . attacking clients of mine that there's

a presumption of innocence and we shouldn't let media jump ahead of the facts which they always seem to do so even when it comes to michael flynn son or president trump or anyone those of us that once in a while appear on the great larry king show have to be very careful about any conclusions if the son is under suspicion and dad is going to be concerned and by the way that applies to a son in law the president of united states mr cushion or has failed to reveal many of the financial matters on his disclosure form such that he's had to amend a number of times and the reasons for that omission are very troubling because it can be over and over again that you forget material information so that's an area that he has to worry about i think the biggest area i'm going back to is the president of the united states i wouldn't say smoking gun has admitted to participating if not directing and dictating

a public misleading statement by definition misleading because it omitted material facts about the email exchange with his son donald jr if i were the counsel to the president as i used to be many years ago i would be astounded that the president himself was involved in drafting a publicly misleading statement in the middle of a criminal investigation with that statement is actually potentially evidence of an obstruction of justice kendall levees and i'd also like you to comment being a former u.s. attorney about sarah sanders the person saying that the justice department should investigate more about komi and false testimony he gave to congress to look. prosecute james komi what do you make of that kendall well let me first about the president's alleged we'll call it spinning the statement that is sun was to

issue about the meeting and trump laws or it as we know it's a crime to mislead federal investigators it's not a crime to mislead the press so that will be the key issue but what's going to be fascinating is when the day comes and the f.b.i. and mall are interviewed trump what is the president going to say about that. well lenny apparently was has some technical difficulties with here in los angeles and a fiber connection to miami so if you could pick up on what i was talking to campbell about we apologize to kendall coffey we hope to have him back soon at another date but let me what about what he was commenting on and about the white house claiming that tommy gave false information to the justice department should prosecute him well first of all kendall has it right it's not it's not a crime to lie to the public otherwise we have a lot of presence in jail but it is

a crime to make false statements when you're questioned about it. the president will have to explain at some point to mr miller and it's prosecutors whether he participated in that false statement that was issued to the public if he says yes i did and we'll have to be honest and explain why he intentionally misled everyone was he afraid about evidence of occlusion meeting that occurred in june of two thousand and sixteen with the russian government talking about trashing hillary clinton and what does he know about that so there's a chance that it will still come back to haunt him on mr called me if there was a crime of poor judgment is to call me would be serving a lot of time he exercised poor judgment in the handling of the killer of clinton e-mails the deputy attorney general who president trump raised wrote exactly the truth that mr komi exceeded all boundaries of good judgment and possibly justice

department rules when he expressed a personal opinion on the evidence in public as a investigator you're just not allowed to slime people without charging people and that's what he did to hillary clinton and the poor judgment of sending a letter without any facts that caused the election outcome to change which i believe the data shows was the stream we put judgment eleven days. from the election but in terms of prosecuting him this is donald trump doing is usual change the topic because the focus on him is making him uncomfortable it's an absurd charge by i don't take sarah could be seriously anymore just as we stop taking mr spicer seriously because he carries forward lies from his client and no press that could press secretary that i've ever heard of does that so whatever ms huckabee says she's being told to say and it's just not a serious comment this is ministration it has been a boon to the. renewal of the new york times and washington post the printing press

was in trouble no longer at least on those two papers in trouble the post especially has been doing an incredible job where they get these ins there's a lot to live on well this is a white house that leaks like a sieve which shows very low little oil. yard dot com and has been disowned by the u.k. police treason may said i don't think it's helpful for anyone to speculate on an ongoing investigation but what do you make of trump's comment from the leader of the u.s. . well i think the president trump is referring to the fact that the number of terrorist suspects that are actually held on databases and that the police are aware of individuals it's often the case after the london bridge attack after kally masoud in westminster after salmonella in manchester that police will say we were aware he came up on the radar but we was considered

a peripheral figure so i think donald president trump is referring to the fact that we often more often than not aware but in this case there's been no announced the police there's no been no announcements of any police raids it's six hours now c.c.t.v. was covering the whole of the tube so they have a picture of the suspect if he was on police radar his picture would be on police radar they have very sophisticated image imaging technology they would have determined who it was they would have carried out raids by now one would expect police are saying and it does look from the pictures that we're showing as we're talking to louis the explosive device only partially went off and it wasn't totally destroyed by any matter of means as you're saying it's been reported how the timer was more designed for deaf and gratian rather than detonation which would be a much lesser kind of explosion this could have been much worse. if we think about

the london bombers and we think about their devices. they were packed into small room rucksacks it seems as if this was intended to using a. great deal of explosive that. you know if the police will come out and say it's a viable device it was a device viable device it didn't detonate thank god i mean if it had we would be talking maybe completely different situation. completely different device of that size twenty seven dean has seen more terror arrests than we've seen for quite some time but as we've been speaking about this we've seen even more attacks five this year so a great response today from emergency services but it does seem that something is not working here more arrests but more a tux. more arrests more deaths more proactive in fact. this is present

perhaps we are being more perhaps proactive but how can you determine that a man is going to wake up one morning and decide that he's going to drive a car into a group of pedestrians how can you know that a man is going to mean these devices one would have to understand how long it takes to build them i've seen the instructions in inspire magazine doesn't look as if we could take that long. difficult to infiltrate it's not like going back to the ira where you could have informants within the the structures we're talking about a new wave of terrorism essentially the new normal where as the as they're often called just simply decide to flip. and it's rarely that we see any kind of command and control structure or any kind of directions given. from groups like the islamic state but again let's look at last year that was a chap called. he was smitten the young student twenty years old he plants a device in greenwich nothing to do with any commanding control structure and he

was that was the only example of somebody using a timer so i'd be more interested in whether or not this was just a young dysfunctional young man who's not on the radar well we'll see what. we hope there will be a response in the soon coming. dr harrington is a counterterrorism expert speaking to us from the u.k. thank you. thank you more and more people have been sharing their experiences online from their london underground explosion this morning which went off at rush hour. must be pushing at times to explain. scenario you. just had to run for my life at price's green stage huge stampede last injury. i saw people jumping not caring where they landed or whether they broke bones they would

leaping over the various. there was lots of shouting and screaming was a bit of a crushing these days going down to the streets some people pushed over and trumped . i saw people with money these. people were helping each other. well in view of the increasing number of terror attacks indeed on mainland europe the question of border security is a major political concern there but you use migration chief earlier how to change of heart on the issue of identity checks in the shan guinn's old that was after a meeting with the hughes interior ministers our europe correspondent peter all over a dozen more on the story. well this was one of the quickest policy utopians i've ever seen well certainly in the recent past from a senior political figure to me tourists out there are more police the e.u. migration commissioner was heading into a meeting with the e.u. and shane gans own interior ministers they were going to be discussing the border

controls that were allowed to exist within the shingling free travel zone if you cast your mind back to twenty sixteen austria denmark germany sweden and norway all introduced border checks out there their countries boundary now this was in the wake of of the above the arrival of over a million people the influx of migrants who have twenty fifteen into twenty sixteen also security concerns as well that they wanted to have these extra border checks now the right for these countries to have those should expire in november of this year unless it is prolonged now heading into this meeting with the interior ministers mr are from uplifts seem determined that there was no chance that they would be prolonged during the last two years we've been working in crisis mode. now this is the moment to step out of the crises or i believe is the moment to to go

back to the not among function of washington. but he was singing to every different tune when he came out of that meeting in new security challenges have appeared at the during the last. past years as the most. recent attacks in barcelona in. the sink in both the school may not be sufficiently adapted to address the evolving security challenges. it does seem that the interior minister has told the migration commission exactly what they thought of plans to repeal it all to not prolong the border checks and if we look at the security threats that we face will we just customized like the last month in barcelona a terrorist attack of course. in london on friday take those threats are ever

present or many were unhappy with the e.u. migrant chief's initial call to end the stricter border controls germany along with neighboring austria thinks that it's too early to give up the czechs the german position is clear as long as the external borders are not secure enough there will also be the requirement for controls at the internal borders to stop illegal immigration and avoid unlawful border crossings we must adapt the deadlines for eternal border controls to the real challenges. over the past number of years europe has seen a whole range of deadly terror attacks where free movement within the e.u. has seemingly played right into the hundreds of terrorists.

two other world news this hour north korea continues to ignore calls for after it fired a missile over the northern japanese island of hokkaido it is the latest act of aggression in the regional crisis over peeling young's weapons program japanese citizens in several regions were warned to find shelter as the missile passed over

with the details. the missile has touched down in the pacific ocean at this point they're calling it an unidentified missile we are getting some new details about the missile itself it actually traveled a total of two thousand three hundred miles that's three thousand seven hundred kilometers before falling into the pacific ocean and that it reached an altitude of four hundred eighty miles into the sky and many are suspecting that this is a response to the united nations security council recently there were new sanctions imposed on the d.p. r. k. at the u.n. security council north korea promised a response this is being seen by many people as that response now we're also hearing from south korea the president of south korea has called for an emergency meeting of the u.n. security council to discuss this recent launch with the general assembly in full swing here in the month of september with the big we many world leaders speaking in the following week so this is quite

a time for an action like this to take place all eyes are on the united nations and on the korean peninsula where this all comes after seoul tested on earth to surface missile on whedon's they imitating a strike on a north korean military bunker. i i i think. a taurus which just seoul is capable of striking any target in north korea so it has also recently been holding military drills with the u.s. in the face of six your weapons tests by north korea over the last decade with some insight korea have also been pushing for u.s. nuclear weapons to be deployed on the peninsula but the country's president has now ruled out a dump the possibility the new reports now from seoul. president moon said he does not agree that offending tactical nuclear weapons would improve security

here on the peninsula jim and i do not agree to south korean news from develop our own nuclear weapons or relocate article nuclear weapons in the face of north korea since a threat. to north korea by having our own nuclear weapons will not maintain peaceful the dream the new salon however as moon has already demonstrated the option of introducing different types of ed advanced military equipment to the peninsula is not entirely out of the question considering we witnessed the deployment of that here very recently a bad missile defense system despite heavy protests poll shows sixty percent of south koreans did support the act but to get a different perspective i sat down today with one woman who organized the main demonstrations against the deployment of the process of deployment of fat in south korea is not democratic i know it was not transparent the government did not get any consultation or agreement from the villagers living in some june as well as

there was no discussion proper discussion in the pile and the deployment process has been very untransparent we say that this is a part of the us people. so the official reason of deployment is to protect the south korea from the threats from north korea but then we believe that this is not going to work in that way well there you have it it seems tensions escalating on the korean peninsula have much to do with the u.s. pivot towards asia it was a pivot begun by obama and just how far president trump is willing to take it remains to be seen or former u.s. congressman ron paul told us the u.s. should let korean leaders talk it out. i think the proper thing would be for us to get out of the way and encourage south korea and north korea would talk with each other that might be really something important you know i've been thinking about that like why couldn't it leaders because there are some leaders and

a lot of soft koreans that would like better relationships with north why couldn't we encourage and get behind saying look south korea we encourage you to talk to north korea and see if you're going to sit down maybe united states and china could both be observers or something and to get it moved on but not for us to constantly stir up trouble by having our military confrontation about building up and having these war games what are these war games where are they practicing you know is so unnecessary and confrontational and it doesn't mean that if we didn't have war games that we would give up something on our defense our side has to worry about the bush doctrine which tries to you know make it our official policy that you need to have preventive war well a preemptive preventive war is aggression and that i don't lie. another topic to bring you up to date on this hour there is cautious optimism coming from russia after talks on syria in the capital of kazakhstan are. over at the news

wall here to tell us more about it and what have you heard about the talks the results in kazakhstan at this stage unit hi well the news that we're getting from the capital of cows and stand as the sixth round of the so-called astronaut talks conclude you know they are really you said the word optimism there were they are really good reason for optimism because it has been announced that the long strain of this process of creating the four deescalation zones in syria let's just take a look at the map where these the escalation zones are. hopefully we can go back to the map right now ok are they are this process has been. it is eastern. there are four areas that are very close to border with lebanon and most importantly the province that is the area which has of course been most volatile

when it comes to frictions between the government forces and the syrian opposition this is where it was most difficult to reach an agreement and according to russia's and boy to the syria talks and asked and. people who will make sure that there is no escalation and these the escalation zones will be russia's military police and also similar units from turkey and iran and really. is saying that this is finally something that puts syria on the road to peace what about the actual fight against islam which they are actually will just listen to what he had to say i want to bring you up to date on that afterwards. we consider the establishment of the deescalation will still be a major milestone it is just the lawyers at the end of the time who for the syrian people but made to feel more secure. for progress in the near future. but i think the overriding all this of course is the fight against islamic state and how it is now progressing well that is progressing very well i have to tell you

on different fronts according to mr le grange you have who we just heard from the kurdish units that are u.s. backed and also some of the fighters of the syrian moderate opposition who are liberating rock he's saying that they're very close to doing that and about sixty five percent of the territory has already been put under control of these forces and they are trying to kick as my mixtape out of there when that happens out of nowhere islamic state that will be very important because this is what we called this is what they called their doctor the capital sure and in the meantime of course the syrian government troops they broke the siege of duras or and now they are pushing forward to liberate the whole province and this is very important because as islamic state keeps losing land they are they keep on losing the oil fields and that is the source of cash so if they don't have any more cash there's no caliphate of course and i just want to show you another map that milestones of

liberating syria when it comes to getting the. all fields captured the big oil and let's just see if we can show you this map. here we are first of all of course we can look at palmira which is just right here this is a very important section for the wall this is where the government captured territory with the oil fields then the advanced further towards war and this is the more most oil rich province and in the meantime the kurdish forces that i was telling you about the. state of the access to all near hostile so there you have it if the oil revenues for islamic states go down this will bring us much closer to the end of that terrorist organization in syria you know if that dries up they've got problems they were trying to thank you very much for not ok valid is where we leave the news for this hour join me at the top of their with

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