washington request told from moscow on the sidelines of the un general assembly with syria and ukraine discussed in a closed door conversation. u.s. officials they're running out of diplomatic options over the korean peninsula tensions even going as far as to say the north would be destroyed if a conflict breaks out plus. more than eight eight arrests actually on the third consecutive night of violence in the years of use and use it seems sparked by the acquittal of the policeman over the killing of a black man. good

afternoon this is out internationally kevin thanks for tuning to us revenue and the world first than russian and american top diplomats have met at washington's request for the first time since the latest diplomatic spat between the two countries are new york correspondent has more on what. to listen discussed during the forty five minute conversation. russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov and u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson held a meeting on the sidelines of the united nations general assembly now the meeting was initiated by the american side the issues discussed specifically were syria and ukraine in syria there are accusations being leveled by the united states that u.s. backed rebel forces were directly attacked by russia now russia says that these rebel forces were not attacked that rather it was only ice still forces that were

attacked but the area in question the issue is the city of darryl's or it's important to know that this is taking place as there have been breakthroughs in the negotiations in russia iran and turkey have actually reached a breakthrough a document has been released and deescalation zones are actually being a stablished in the country and the northwestern regions of syria in the it live province and elsewhere we're actually starting to see breakthroughs in deescalation zones in the country be established as a result of the negotiations that are taking place in kazakstan between the three parties now it's also important to note that another issue that was discussed was the issue of ukraine and a lab rob and rex tillerson discussed implementing the minsk agreement for peace and deescalation of tensions in ukraine there's been ongoing fighting in ukraine in the east in the donbass region and the us secretary of state and the russian foreign minister did discuss the possibility of implementing the agreement and

making sure there were no tension oh look you know inherently risky to contribute to the news website we've heard officially what they talked about why do you think washington cooled this meeting with this morning. well obviously there are there are some sensitive developments taking place in both syria and in ukraine in syria we've seen that both the u.s. allies and russian allies are making progress towards that east in area of the year for its sort of all over the euphrates region so there are fears that there could be some kind of a collision which is something that i think the trumpet ministration wants to prevent has through the russian side would also of course be caned on preventing any collisions between the realities of the two powers on the ground so with the developments in syria rachel syria reaching a sensitive phase particularly in that eastern region the close of the border with

iraq i think that the americans thought that it was very important to focus on the fact that there should be no kind of collisions whatsoever i think it also points out that the facts which is an important issue the trumpet ministration despite the congressional pressures that despite the presence of anti russian voices in the administration such as licky halley deal with a message to the u.n. to mr trump doesn't appear to have given up it seems in a city on his efforts to improve the toys between the u.s. and russia although how much will be successful is something which is open for debate of the ukraine issue as well there have been some tensions in eastern europe some maneuvers in sweden as maybe you know there was also a message here trying to reassure the russians that there was no card that escalation they want a solution in ukraine so i think it's generally you know the fact that there are

some middle east and developments european developments which imposed to the americans to hold this meeting at the same time it reflects the fact that the trumpet astray ssion as i said despite all the local difficulties domestic difficulties and still wants me. b. to improve toys with the russian government yeah things are things looking up after the last diplomatic spat the tit for tat with the closing of the embassies do you think this is a step back from that again they're saying ok well if these things up let's talk a bit more dialogue again as happens. mirasol i think it is an attempt maybe to repair or or my a cup of some of that damage but you have to remember that you know the trump president disadvantage at the same time you have a congress which is very anti russian you remember the a sanctions which congress impose which i think made it makes transmission very difficult if you want to

indeed improve ties with russia and you also have the fact that you know step by step the faces in the administration who were supportive of russian american dialogue and improving russian american toys most of those faces have now what you know. have now resigned to have been displaced taken out of office i referred to michael flynn the former national security advisor steve ballmer the former chief strategist and many other faces as i said who were supportive of improving toys are now gone i you left with the parents the russian faces and at the head of those people of course is nikki haley who is assuming more and more very public role perhaps the only figure still left in addition to trump himself would be a foreign minister rex tillerson but you know how much can trump and tell us and indeed stand up to that and to russian i think it will be extremely difficult

periods so ali thanks for your thoughts there is conservative for the amounted to news website. so as well as the sideline talks between russia and the u.s. folks at the u.n. general assembly this week too is likely to be drawn of course to the situation on the korean peninsula and washington is hinting indeed that it's pretty much exhausted every diplomatic post ability on that score as jacqueline bouvier reports now really sort of sounds like the military option is sort of becoming the frontrunner for them we've had the american ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley saying that she feels that the united nations security council has really already done all that they can when it comes to north korea and that she's really already prepared to hand off the crisis to the u.s. secretary of defense adding that in that situation north korea would be quote destroyed and that's something we have coming from a diplomat i said yesterday i'm perfectly happy kicking this over to general mattis because he has plenty of military options if the united states has to defend itself

or defend its allies in any way north korea will be destroyed and we all know that and none of us want that none of us want war so there we have haley saying she's happy to hand it over to mattis and not long ago we had he himself describing briefly what that would sort of look like what a military option with north korea would look like and very best words saying that the response would be both effective and overwhelming any threat to the united states or territories including. or our allies will be met with a massive military response a response both objective and overwhelming we are not looking to the total annihilation of a country namely north korea but as i said we have many options to do show and in the same light many remember all of the comments that we've had from trump himself fire and fury and whatnot and amid those threats that we've heard coming from the president he's repeated a number of times that talking with north korea just isn't going to be effective

not really diplomatic words that we have coming from the president. himself and on sunday trump also referred to the north korean leader as rocket man and a tweet comments that are unlikely to go without a response and it's worth noting that while some in the trumpet ministration are still hopeful for a diplomatic solution calling for it it does seem that the focus has sort of shifted from that as sort of like an afterthought and going more towards the looming military option the co-founder of the national campaign to end the korean war thinks the north korea is ready to try to find a diplomatic solution but it's not something that washington has so far presented to pyongyang it will not negotiate the nuclear weapons unless the u.s. sends its hostile parlak policies toward the d.p. r. k. so consequently you've got two sides in a tug of war and that we're left with very little option other than considering

fire and fury and in reality that shows not only a lack of creativity but arguably violates our commitments under international law as well the idea that in a tug of war you have to let go of one end of the road you have to have the courage to do that and then use creative aspects of conflict resolution to get the job done . elsewhere this monday syrian media claiming at least twelve civilians were killed by a u.s. led coalition air strike and. we contacted the u.s. central command for clarification it says the strikes targeted eisen infrastructure a correspondent has been covering the advance in both syria and iraq he looks mixed at the similarities in u.s. led coalition military tactics in fact in both those countries the u.s. led air strike in question reportedly targeted. one of isis is remaining

strongholds in syria located about forty kilometers to the south of the strike apparently according to these various sources killed at least twelve civilians most of them women and children we've reached out to the u.s. led coalition they say that they have no information regarding civilian casualties but that they're investigating as they usually do on the sixteenth of september coolish and conducted one strike in syria let's engage. a craft it's happened to hundreds and hundreds of times in mosul it is a new no isis tactic to surround themselves with civilians isis job just make sure make a point to fight in buildings which are occupied by civilians this is their human shield their. aircraft shield they who often in vain that u.s.

led coalition jets will avoid hitting isis if there are civilians around them but as we've seen in mosul often that isn't the case three weeks ago rescuers in mosul told me that they expect to dig up as many as five thousand bodies out of the rubble out of destroyed and collapsed buildings in the city of mosul most of them women and children. we heard from the director of the syrian affairs form can also say he told us that despite numerous incidents of civilians being killed in military operations the u.s. led coalition still doesn't seem to change its approach to strikes. since the start of the operations in mosul time and again i think we lost count on the many times when the united states wanted to hit an isis or a target and then suddenly there is a huge massacre taking place and this is really hurting and reflecting negatively on the united states' efforts to. establish its own project sort of the old regime

protected regime in eastern part of syria. struck in next what's happening in st louis there's been a third consecutive night of violence in the us city in response to the acquittal of a police officer killed a black man sunday's demonstration started again as a peaceful march but again descended into rioting as property was damaged and police officers were assaulted more than eighty arrests were made. in what's now when a familiar peaceful marches turned into chaos by nightfall protesters amiss mushy windows and throwing trash cans at offices there are also reports of police being attacked with unknown chemicals now on friday demonstrators broke a window at the mayor's home angered generally and that city has been swelling

since a judge cleared former officer jason stokley of killing anthony lamar smith in twenty eleven. oh i don't know your. social commentator logan thinks that people came from other areas just to cause trouble and to turn the protest into a riot they should have known absolutely especially in st louis because that's where you had the infamous michael brown hands up don't you think that right there in a same area just a few years ago i think it might have been in twenty fourteen as was a lot more recent research rice united states of america so a definition would be producible want to present i think what happened was the people who came from other places for to express purpose of making their protests

turn into a riot so it's hard to really stop that from happening most of the people that were there were not going to from the area some of them were of course take advantage of the situation for their own personal injuries they want to lose freida whatever but it's not really about people feeling any kind of way about the officer or the person at di they really don't care about they look at it as opportunity to be able to get themselves out there to be in front of media cameras and to get attention. in the afternoon moscow time ahead italy's regions have all given there is no allowing genetically modified crops but nonetheless now the european courts pulled rank to let one fama so g.m. corn there it's caused a big row we'll tell you all about it. choate's seemed wrong and. just told. me the book is yet to shake

out just because the ticket and trade equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground.

i guess if you're into a military option you love this next joint military drills between russia and belarus so well on the way scores of airplanes helicopters tanks and combat ships all involved in playing out a scenario to eliminate trespassing military units is the plan the first stage of the drills practiced countering direct threats to better routes and repellent militants check it out ok.

so yeah an impressive show if you're into that kind of tough stuff but anyway it has prompted some western officials to express big concern of what they see as a threat to european security because of this were some reports. we are now in northwest russia and it's all in with a name that perhaps sounds nightmarish for or for in the telling of got to know will be heading off from his office to solve in seventeen military drills. that taking place just

a hundred kilometers away the joint exercises between russia and by the roots and that we today the state and well haven't signed into invasion of europe so far as i can tell but a concert to some media expectations perhaps the drills very sitting huge media attention long before they even started west and the fishes have been a little more reserved in that but just a little bit they're about to do an exercise in russia. that's going to tail up to one hundred thousand russian troops moving into into that country the great concern is they're not going to leave and that's you know that's not paranoia that's active concern among among the countries the data from the russian and i would say that the russian ministry of defense suggests that the total if only thirteen thousand troops are going to participate and that's from both sides and the majority of them are from balad which by the way but in the eyes of washington and some european capitals the numbers could be ten or even twenty times higher something must go says it finds quote astonishing we were surprised by german defense minister or

some off on down lion statements including the number one hundred thousand plucked from thin air referring to russian soldiers participating in those twenty seven thousand exercises and the supposed to danger that they pose to europe tanks artillery fire fighter jets they'll be all of it late in the day. and perhaps putting the jewels in the spotlight even more than is expected to attend the drills as well. indeed ruslan my of reporting that one of these drills attracted negative media attention even before they got under way some outlets even described them as a secret plan to invade nato countries so that we traveled. one latvian town very near the russian border to find out what people really thought about the so-called potential russian invasion moon tomorrow i think this is all a joke nothing will happen i know that. seriously of course everything will be all

keep these russian drills are actually an answer to nato drills in the baltics. no no everything's fine here there's no negative information representatives are invited to russian so all the dangers of being exaggerated journalist neil clark says it's not russia and belarus that are about to aggressively. we've got a real double standard here russia and belarus are allies they are carrying out these exercises they're very transparent there are international observers there and russia and belarus of both got very good reasons to be to be carrying out these military exercises the nato critics are being very hypocritical we're living in an orwellian kind of propaganda framework at the moment where the countries who have done the attacking of other countries the countries that have posed a threat to world peace are pretending to be the countries under threat and but in actual fact it's russia which is acting here defensively with good cause because

we've seen what nato has done and the destruction they've caused around the world the. european union's top courts overruled the tally in law and allowed a farmer there to sow a genetically modified crops it's caused to be grow it's to spite every region of that country saying they were against the controversial food source this goes back to ninety ninety eight the speaker farm as soon as screens that was questioned. this is going question was authorized by the european union back then as you specific seeds that reportedly had no adverse effects on human health of the environment but they're nearly fifty years after that he faced fines from the italian government who argued that indeed the crops he sowed could pose a risk italy years previously asked the european commission to ban the use of g.m. seeds nationwide but it was turned so then we moved to twenty thirteen the issue the ministerial decree that led to farmers being sued including that guy but this now new e.u. court decision effectively overrules all the well some farmers in italy give us

their thoughts on using genetically modified seeds. i believe that if italy has decided that g.m. owes will not be grown on its territory that decision has total legitimacy those who come to italy have the opportunity to buy and taste a large amount of local products these products are the result of years of work and one hundred year old farming history what will we gain from g.m. most if a sovereign state decides that certain laws are fundamental to its economy i don't think it is right that the e.u. can interfere with those laws. if you produce in italy and you are italian you should follow italian laws not force things that go against those laws we work here and we do not break our laws we respect them we completely reject g.m. seeds we produce high quality products in farmer ghana. course this is potentially a huge story the fears over g.m. crops are wide and they are varied they range from mind of food allergies to much

more serious cases things like inveterate miscarriage birth defects even cancer despite that the e.u. court approved some g.m. seeds usage in italy we discussed that with a number of experts. these crops are forbidden because we still do not understand what the consequences are so far there has been no proper and in-depth research for this reason we do not know in five years ten years twenty years what can happen surely this ruling creates a president that makes it urgent and necessary to conduct research and experiments the choice to use g.m. seeds or not should not be dictated by economic political or social parameters but must be dictated only and exclusively by technical choices and scientific analysis there is a very strong conflict of jurisdiction the which cannot be solved because there is no upper or toits above the european union the european union knows will prevail on

the italian law from now on so with is certainly allowed every genetically modify farm to farm well we speak a lot about genetically modified organisms because it is a very true and the topic because people are interested in these but there are many conflicts of jurisdiction between between the euro and italy i don't see as a positive thing this infringement of italian laws by the european union. for me for now kevin our new news got you covered with the world's big news stories from r.t. in about half an hour can join. prescribe medication is widespread on the u.s. market and

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justice committee about whether the shadow chancellor schools but no new private prisons is enough to end the crisis was no laughing matter we go to edinburgh to speak to stand up comedian and frankie boyle's writing partner state about new liberal censorship crushing protests in britain all this coming up in today's going underground but first today as u.k. government targets for the british economy collapse under a government led by a leader who didn't want to leave the european union a former goldman sachs banker makani will be delivering a speech in washington strangely it's seldom that u.k. politicians accuse conny governor of the bank of england of being political even called ministers don't much argue that the bank should be the last place to set interest rates that affect all of society but possible tory replacement to theresa may jacob reese morg isn't any politician this is where you come very. if i may move on. if you're going with the. obvious the economy didn't arguably give

a satisfactory answer the subsequent in antecedent to those but more intensively substance subsequent to those about the economic implications how is the economy do we actually i mean of course. that is a regular who go in conversation between any given or it is going to the subsequent event is seated and whatever else the goldman sachs man would say we're going to imagine what conversation will follow today's lecture in washington when he publicly discusses things with i.m.f. managing director christine lagarde remember her forget the jail time many would have liked for her predecessors for impoverishing hundreds of millions of the developing world the present i.m.f. m d was up for jail time but she didn't end up doing it was characterized as a plus side at c.n. we see on the plus side for her she is not going to have jail time there was no sentence handed down so this is a big slap on the wrist and what we're talking about is christine lagarde the managing director of the i.m.f. find once found guilty what you have to say criminal charges what used to resign

well if that's unclear it's going to be up to the i.m.f. board no she didn't have to resign which is why she could have a criminal conviction and be chatting about bricks it with canadian banker macone that's kanina besides of one of the most critical leaves in the u.k. economy interest rates while opposing the british people's vote to leave the european union one longtime ally of germany corbin who leads europe's largest socialist party in britain is the shadow fire and emergency minister chris williams and leading light against their liberalism he joins me now chris welcome to going underground so why is it taking so long for the labor party seemingly to come to terms with supporting the trade union movement that created it. well i think the policy was to some extent taken prisoner by neo liberal ideology which pervaded the policy for far too long really and i think it led to a situation where party leaders felt they had to distance themselves from the so the doctor wing of the labor movement in order to to win power i think was a mistake of go to sleep jeremy corbyn who was overwhelmingly elected twice as

always project himself all his support for the trade union movement it was him self a form a new piece falls on organized and i think. this i got to shift to now people have recognized that the sort of attacks on the trade union movement on the mining of the trade union movement over the years has actually left people in a policy position and indeed the trade union legislation is led directly to the explosion in low paid in secure employment and i'll think there's an appetite for something different and obviously generally epitomizes that and that's why we're in such an overwhelming majority of labor support in terms of the members one of the things which was contained in our manifesto this time to get a lot of attention in the media was a very significant proposition and that was the notion of a right to vote so that when a company is threatened with a stripping. hedge fund coming in and flog it off and sucking the workers making

them redundant or offshoring you know good quality jobs or low wage economies there is now all the would now be under labor governments an opportunity for those workers to be given the first right to refuse or to buy that company out and so what we would do is create a network a worker cooperatives you mention that policy surely it is breaks it that allows labor to make their lives as a commitment arguably that would be illegal the creation of corporate of the kind you just mentioned there because it would be encroached on the e.u. legislation about protecting corporations well look the e.u. was in perth i mean brits it's a low blow no indeed well indeed potentially is and indeed i gave an interview to my local media on the nights of the referendum when it was obvious that we had lost as i campaigned for the main i was on the wrong side on both occasions in ninety seventy five a boat to come out in this our campaign to remain in the last um both times but no i mean i think. i think it would be obstacle certainly if you know if we remained

in the european you i honestly it's saw some specific advice on that by the house of commons library as the explicit question actually about the about bringing about the railways into public ownership. for a loss of a c. in twenty fifteen before it might become back in twenty seventeen and they were very clear that actually there wasn't any e.u. impediments if you like that would actually be insurmountable in the you know you would be able to what your way around that things are going to the atlantic well indeed of course caldwell of course with artillery absolutely i agree without them do but you know we are we are in a situation now where the labor party is very clear on the point that we are going to come out of the european union we respect the democratic will of the public even though most of the members voted to campaign to remain and indeed most supporters voted to remove them to the rail you know votes has been hard and we've now got to ensure that when we come out of the european union that we try to create an economy that works for everybody it works in the georgian people not just those at the top

of society if you think that that was what i was trying to bring in through the back door with the so-called henry the eighth bill widely spoken about as well the most important piece of legislation ever to go through the house of commons and that's why a critical germany corwin's opposition to the repeal bill was absolutely i mean i think my worry is that by besting these powers in the hands of the executive the government ministers will make it much easier for them to effectively britain insua deregulated tax haven which triggered article fifty some considerable time ago now we've got what is eighteen months left probably less than that now. i just don't think we can negotiate a deal that would work in the interests of older people so what we've said is let's have this transition period not give us a bit more time because clearly what we want to make sure is that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater in our manifesto which i think is probably the best manifesto we produce it's. very conservative well no i mean about i think it was one which captured the imagination i've never known i've been

a member the last forty four forty one years and i've never known people. because we're talking about the manufacturers' like a bestseller you know took some of the shadow foreign minister out it was the you didn't win but are you confident and your the share. minister for emergency services after all you covered that though back you were going to be a table just lation will mean it will be more difficult as an emergency minister in government under called in the premiership to bring back into democratically publicly accountable power so much of the emergency services which were privatized under new labor and tories we don't just want to kick the property is out of the national health service what we believe actually is really into delivering public services prophecy it's got no place at all because when you think about it the profit sector when they take on public services how do they make their margins make the margins often by. diminishing the quality of the service but predominantly is by screwing the workers into the ground and actually diminishing that conditions and what we want to make sure that we do is we create

a economic virtuous circle where we see the public services which actually benefit the general public and should we value our public servants we recognize that public services actually define a decent society and actually know by putting the money in the pockets of ordinary working people and paying public sector workers properly and not just seeing as a plaything for you know the private sector as it were to actually create economic growth you know if in fact the labor government brings more of it into democratically well no good no no we are absolutely no labor would it absolutely make it variable the better weather is very conservative about five before going into that for all we know by next easter when the reported to the granville tower fire emerges from this this night in moore. will in the area looking at this report into its become emblematic of. britain privatised britain as it were you have much faith in it given that he's restricting

it to the immediate causes of the fire we've said that that should be to stage an inquiry process clearly we need to get to the bottom of how the fire started why spread so quickly why the residents who lived in in grand forks are were ignored because they predicted a catastrophe would happen before they were they were heard but what we want to see a more fundamental inquiry looking at how was it possible that those political decisions could be made you know the whole issue around deregulation externalization i got to tell you in my view dreadful tower is a direct consequence of almost forty years of neo liberalism without the second tier i think which looks up the sort of environment that allowed the kind of whole deregulation agenda probably in a general cuts agenda to permeate our sort of you know public sector discourse that you know my fear is we won't learn the lessons and just very briefly. if you were in government you can guarantee there will be critical machines of emergency in other words absolutely no i mean we are committed to

a fully nationalized national health service not only that we've also said that the challenge of of the day to day is a national care service we have a demographics at a time bomb going off and. you know we've got lots of people who have become infirm people are living longer and they have to sell sell their house in order to be able to pay for the care that's completely wrong there's a kind of just or me working class people never really probably have a couple in their life many of them would probably encourage them to mortgage fancier to buy their council house for example so you know put themselves into debt as well i appreciate that i know i don't diverge from that no i agree we went along with the book i think the problem was that we didn't actually you know when we were thirteen years ago but we didn't know so much about the rights of we didn't invest in new council housing and one of things of course of jeremy corbyn very strong commitment in our manifesto to build a million homes half a million bush will be council houses council housing was was

a two words which didn't sort of speak their name for the last sort of thirty or forty years it was very much you know the trajectory was divesting ourselves of council houses and i think i read some statistic recently suggested the thirty five percent of the houses which had been sold off and now in the provinces sector and the rents being charged are you know two three four times four times what they would be if they were a council home and that then is being subsidized through the housing benefit system we have a crazy housing policy in this country which is geared to subsidizing high rents both in the sort of social housing sector to put it that way but also in the private sector since the twenty seven billion pounds a year it's been spent on housing benefit it's absolute madness we should be using a proportion of that money to invest in new homes that would generate new jobs it would talk about social need and you know get rid of the housing crisis is just plain common sense is really absurd thank you. after the break the form of vice chair of the conservative party response to accusations from chris williamson well

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welcome back into the show we heard from shadow fire emergency minister chris williamson who gave us his views about why but more than eighty people died in london in june in the tragedy joining me now is chair of britain's parliamentary justice select maybe he's also a former foreign minister and former vice chair of britain's ruling conservative party bob thanks for coming on the show. basically chris was very very direct with us more than eighty people died as a direct result of deregulation and privatization why i have an inquiry he didn't say that what i have but i think chris is just completely water them out there i'm sorry to say he's in

a particularly ideological view about this which i don't think bears out the facts let's give it a bit of context shall we this is a terrible awful tragedy but the context to it is this over the years there were all that time that chris has been saying they have been deregulation done by both these own party and the conservatives. just according to me but i think that's probably right but he does have to think this was sort of why was that done because ministers on both saw is actually acting on expert advice and throughout that period over the last twenty years or more we have seen until the tragic events of graeme fall the number of fires to be domestic fires and the number of deaths in fires steadily go down until. when we had graham fall we had been at all time low so. catastrophes like lack of knowledge and so forth but actually the total numbers there or thereabouts and any number of desk. these are all much smaller and the keep it to remember is that we had throughout that period had

exactly those type of regulations in place but as usual when we get a really catastrophic issue like this one i suspect the inquiry and i'm not going to prejudge the inquiry unlike chris is likely to say there's a number of factors that come together around this i simply just simply say it's all down to near liberal the liberalisation is i think just too sweeping and what we actually need is to have the details i suspect you may find a number of failures here came together and so we got to learn the lessons around how to prevent those some believe the tide is turning on the day when this is going excuse things by saying experts told us this so we've abrogated our responsibility as the experts all the time do you think it's the government's job to ensure safety oh absolutely nobody results from that but when you draw up the detail regulations around things better fire safety regulations also building regulations absolutely right that you act upon the best very often experts scientific advice and also off

the open the best firefighting advice now technology moves all new products come on the market and so you do have to be regularly updating that but again that's why i had to make a sweeping accusation like that is easy and accurate we've got to think in terms not just of the particular construction regulations. was there enough taken to take onboard this particular combination of products that seemed to be unused in the fighting but also things not just wood or regulations right but were actually being properly enforced as well local for example having a regulation about fire doors if the doors as he suggested in on some floors here were being propped open that's what we need to have the inquiry to get to the hard evidence about before we come to conclusions david amos just told me the other day the head of your party parliamentary group on fire safety said the review could have save the lives it may have done but we can't be certain of that either in trees because for example dave this particular concern i know has been around sprinklers now sprinklers can work in some circumstances but the advice that i have

been is a minister from the professional firefighters was a huge wording there when you said suggestions of the government is putting fires if you'd risk in tall buildings by potentially removing provisions with sprinklers are factually wrong absolute right because if you were against sprinklers no. it would be removing provisions as we are not never had done so i think that's completely twisted round there a way with it was reset what we had said the advice was that sprinklers can play a part but they are not the only party and that i think we will find when we look at the detail remains the case now the details of that review i can't speak to us i've never government by that time i was the minister at the time as the back of our house in quest when it was set up and i ensure that our far advisors gave evidence to that inquiry made all the detail of the you think it was a inclusions i think in our house conclusions were polled proportion because they said that there were a number of sprinters can play a role and the government my successor as minister that successor wrote to all the

housing providers very specifically drawing attention to that now sprinkle that will resume the chief of staff stands charged with not acting on that very report that you're talking about well actually other you were there was a lot of work that went on after that so again that's right compressing. a number of events the other bit to remember is this there's a lot of evidence shows that sprinters can be helpful under certain circumstances but they're not the whole picture but of course it is austerity presumably which made the government sack thousands of prison officers when it comes to justice presumed we hear about it all the time when you're just a select committee do you do now recognize that that kind of cutting was wrong at least i'm on record as saying that trying to screenings trying to get republic up to fall we had come into government with a massive deficit i don't quite understand really was to pay off a lot of the city of london that thousands of prison officers. were fired that the head of the prison officers association said on this program you know it's only

a matter of time before one of them down there that makes a completely massive a wrong assumption if you know i'm a saint a loss is a city in london at all it was the disastrous economic policies of the brown government that got us into this mess the massive debt was a public borrowing that had been run up the fact we were paying more debt interest than we were on the whole service for example so that was what was wrong of a twenty to twenty or a crash the crash was not because of the bad brown policies they were already in place the lady worst of there but there were certainly make it easier but it's background policies that made it worse so they were going to be reductions but i'm the first to say that their doctors went too far given what the government didn't do as he does richard he was also put in place measures to reduce the risk the prison population when you're either cut the prison population or you have to employ more officers that's part of that sounds like labor policy to what do you think about when jeremy corbyn the leader of you know western europe's largest searches body saying prison officers are right to reject the defacto pay cut off what are they got by the two percent rise which inflation running two point nine percent means you are slashing the wages of people in the justices but you usually

motive in inaccurate words not the case at all it's not dissing them yeah well let's be accurate so the increase is not as much as inflation so you might say in real terms that trade up to let's put it in those terms because you know. the street keeps telling us oh no this is. the great thing we've stopped the pay gap what we have the wages the movie it we have to do what we have because the economic circumstance beginning to stabilize that we have started to move away from some level of control people ought to welcome that but of course he got hold of socialist and right to call it that he's not a social democrat he's a marxist socialist jeremy corbett so he of course would come from that point of view but i don't think that's responsible i think most prison officers do a good job i think they're entitled to an uplift in their wages as the economy continues to improve but we can do that more as well but he won't. the other hand he won't criticize the approach sometimes of some trade unions which could be very obstructive to workforce reform i think because it's to show

a bit of imagination to give management to ministers have got to show mentioned nation around it was so that the prison service have to reckon unions have to recognise that reason movement may not be as much as you'd like. but let's try and build on that constructively a role in seeking to make them a confrontation out of it sure mccolgan seems to want to whip up thank you. well from privatized justice to public humiliation as we joined stand up comedian actor tom stayed in edinburgh scotland where he launched his new show i swear which is across the u.k. until december while here we are in a noisy gilded balloon theatre in edinburgh to talk to the comedian tom stayed you're going to be touring all this fall or autumn and winter with this show swear where you are under british broadcasting regulations what's the show about well. it started out i was trying to explain the way i punctuate words which.

i swear. where oh in that well it's very much about it. because it also what i'm trying to do is just sort of be a truthful comedian and say how it is without beating around the bush it is. is a serious issue isn't it i mean that when you were writing this show swear you absolutely sure you never thought in the back of your head to self sense of the chilling effect of censorship in devising a show like this oh that's too much because you'll get into trouble well i think ok now we're getting serious i think we're living in dangerous times my man my biggest worry is that we live in this name and shame culture so as soon as you have an opinion if it isn't the same as the majority's opinion all of a sudden you get this sort of feeling from from whoever whoever's there to name and shame you everybody's in allowed an opinion whether you like it or not this is

this is how somebody else feels about a certain subject so you don't think tasteless jokes so more a borat than selling arms to saudi arabia well. no i mean that isabel was already not mad but the british authorities don't see it that way no no the problem is you've got a lot of anger in this world right now for me and you've got a lot of anger and and you may call it isis you may call it you may call it anything you want but to me it's just anger you know and i mean so to try and take the. cell and guns that the saudis or whatever and put some light on it and not take it too seriously you kind of get rid of that anger a little bit you know what i mean to make this world a bit of a better place and that's a that's pretty much the comedian's job is to sort of poke fun you know at the ridiculousness of it all because everybody knows what the right thing to do is we

just don't do it you've co-written of course with frankie boyle and there are serious problems that he got into and but by inference you go into do you think the. british authorities or british commissioning editors say on television programs we'll look at your comedy and go. you know him little and boil a little another bit that you dangerous right now well they don't like they might do that you know that's that's another part of this they totally might do that but do you recognize that you know we're going to get all the royal variety show and do your comedy in front of royalty when you make jokes against the british military and against nature wars around the world yeah. well i mean that's that's something you should have met bishan it was. due to that and that is a goal for some people. and you know that's a goal for some people for me i just want to i just like to i don't really have too many goals the only goal i really had was to become

a stand up comedian and then and then everything after that is pretty much gravy whether it make it on a royal variety program who cares you know what i mean but but i more concentrate just on the people that come to the show enjoy it and then come back and maybe one day i will make the variety show maybe they'll go that's the best that's the best nato joke we've ever heard for crying out loud demand for of a. somebody thank you york was a canadian immigrant or maybe canadian migrant immigrant that i've migrated over here another of a lot of people that i moved here i'm not a bird a lot of even the liberal media love your photogenic leader mr trudeau i mean i understand that he's allowed canada to exploit massive weaponry to saudi arabia. what do you think about mr trudeau's policy and saudi arabia to sell and just

selling guns on its own you know just to kind of anybody is wrong first of all big money and a lot of it canada and britain and yeah but if you're doing things for money things can get pretty evil now can't they tell you're not going to be selling guns until you get rid of guns and all that sort of stuff. this stuff is all going to go on so i guess if i was just and you know he's in the he's in a marketplace and he's probably as if somebody else doesn't sell him too well you know that kind of thing but i've never agreed with that selling guns to anybody but as their own i mean that's the market for justin's probably go on. you can make is a little bit of money here guy giving more and more information about climate change and how quickly it's all happening isn't easy to write jokes about it or hot or i do have one nice joke on climate change and i disguise it but when we were talking about the saudi arabia how women aren't allowed to drive and all that sort

of stuff and and in the comics mind you know that's a horrible thing but i my you know you try and twist it around how did you go i think that's a fabulous idea because just purely for environmental reasons because you have sixty million people now the drive pollute the pollute the air you know it's all there be playing saudi arabia. oh yeah i'm going to. because i love me so i mean yeah of course any you can take on that topic for sure man and maybe it's actually important to take it on but i think i think there's probably better comedians to take on something like that than a person like me i'd just like to i like the human condition more than i then i like topical things you know i like what's going on in here more than what's going on out there because what's going on out there changes but what's in here seems to be universal fundamental kind of thing you know say we're going to put all the details of you know big on our website thank you very much.

jonah stayed there speaking to be the edinburgh fringe and you can see it on stage touring right across britain right now but that's the end of the show and we'll be back on wednesday discussing chelsea manning donald trump and l g b d i q plus rights. with award winning drag queen. on the. floor and secret service. as the syrian government pushes to finally end the war washington again calls for regime change also the media north korea the so-called russia.

medication is widespread on the us market and a frequent cause of death. like everything was ashes my family was literally coming unglued i had actually planned. to commit suicide watch all who has made antidepressants so commonly used we were doing what the doctors told us to do we were being responsible and what the real side effects. was. what i did was done on

a cocktail of lethal drugs. just because something's legal doesn't mean it's the international community continues lee emphasize about one or united iraq as a slogan maybe an approach of the politicians but in reality on the ground iraqis are. united and to me as kurds are not the ones to be blamed for what is happening in the rest of iraq and the direct wrong directions that iraq has gone through. washington request talks with moscow on the sidelines of the un general assembly with syria. discussed in a closed door conversation. also ahead the u.s. officials and their diplomatic options over the korean peninsula tensions even

going as far as to say the north would be destroyed if conflict breaks out. more than eighty arrests are made on the third consecutive night of violence in the u.s. city of st louis sparked by the acquittal of a policeman over the killing of a black. nine pm in melbourne midday in glasgow and two in the afternoon right here in moscow welcome to our to international i mean an o'neil our top story this hour russia and america's top diplomats have met washington's request for the first time since relations plunged to what's been described as an historic post cold war low our new york correspondent killam up and has more on what circular often rex tillerson discussed during their forty five minute conversation. russia's foreign

minister sergei lavrov and u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson held a meeting on the sidelines of the united nations general assembly now the meeting was initiated by the american side the issues discussed specifically were syria and ukraine in syria there are accusations being leveled by the united states that u.s. backed rebel forces were directly attacked by russia now russia says that these rebel forces were not attacked that rather it was only ice still forces that were attacked but the area in question the issue is the city of darryl's or it's important to know that this is taking place as there have been breakthroughs in the negotiations in russia iran and turkey have actually reached a breakthrough a document has been released and deescalation zones are actually being a stablished in the country and the northwestern regions of syria in the province and elsewhere we're actually starting to see breakthroughs and deescalation zones

in the country be established as a result of the negotiations that are taking place in kazakstan between the three parties now it's also important to note that another issue that was discussed was the issue of ukraine and the lab rob and rex tillerson discussed implementing the minsk agreement for peace and deescalation of tensions in ukraine there's been ongoing fighting in ukraine in the east in the donbass region and the u.s. secretary of state and the russian foreign minister did discuss the possibility of implementing the agreement and making sure there were no tension ok we'll have some reaction to the meeting a little bit later in the program but as well as the sideline talks between russia and the u.s. focus of the u.n. general assembly this week is likely to be drawn by the situation in the korean peninsula on washington's hinting that it's pretty much exhausted every diplomatic possibility. really sort of sounds like the military option

is sort of becoming the frontrunner for them. we've had the american ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley saying that she feels that the united nations security council has really already done all that they can when it comes to north korea and that she's really already prepared to hand off the crisis to the u.s. secretary of defense adding that in that situation north korea would be quote destroyed and that's something we have coming from a diplomat i said yesterday i'm perfectly happy kicking this over to general mattis because he has plenty of military options if the united states has to defend itself or defend its allies in any way north korea will be destroyed and we all know that and none of us want that none of us want war so there we have haley saying she's happy to hand it over to mattis and not long ago we had he himself describing briefly what that would sort of look like what a military option with north korea would look like and very best words saying that the response would be both effective and overwhelming any threat to the united

states george territories including. or our allies will be met with a massive military response a responsible. and overwhelming we are not looking to the total annihilation of a country namely north korea but as i said we have many options to do show and in the same light many remember all of the comments that we've had from trump himself fire and fury and whatnot and amid those threats that we've heard coming from the president he's repeated a number of times that talking with north korea just isn't going to be effective not really diplomatic words that we have coming from the president himself and on sunday trump also referred to the north korean leader as rocket man and the tweet comments that are unlikely to go without a response and it's worth noting that while some in the trumpet ministration are still hopeful for a diplomatic solution calling for it it does seem that the focus has sort of shifted from that as sort of like an afterthought and going more towards the

looming military option. well just back to that meeting between rex tillerson surrogate roff american russia's two top diplomats let's get live reaction to the meeting at from political analyst john vause and she joins me live just perhaps before we get into one of may have come out of the meeting why do you think washington requested housing the meeting in the first place. well it's standard policy in washington to cover all the bases so we can't take away from the fact that they requested a meeting that that necessarily means that we're going to see a warming in relations however it is a positive step. one of the big aspects is of course syria with russian on the u.s. forces closing in on eyes will endure or is or do you think that today's meeting will help to avoid clashes between the competing forces fighting in the future we

have seen some very little skirmishes. diffidently we've already seen some of the u.s. backed opposition forces being injured in a previous russian bombing runs on isis and other associated forces so we're at the point where there is a possibility that american advisers if they are present there with some of the so-called rebel forces might be in harm's way and definitely the united states would like to avoid any kind of an escalation of that type especially when it looks like the syrian forces are about to wrap this up with a complete victory the russian foreign minister and his u.s. counterpart also discuss the conflict in ukraine we know do you think any progress towards a workable final settlement will be coming out of this. well the fact that ukraine is being discussed without the presence of the

regime in kid of means that basically the united states is making an effort to step in to take priority in resolving the issue if there were. an effort to make a more negotiated settlement between all the warring parties then of course the representatives would have to be present so i think what we're seeing here is that president trump and his administration has given up waiting patiently for something positive from kiev and they're trying to limit the damage and i guess this has got to be seen as a very positive step in trying to at least wind down the fighting. on the school in kiev we know how prepared separate draft resolutions on introducing u.n. peacekeepers in the area off conflict i suppose the hope is that the meeting could lead to some sort of compromise regarding the issues. so

naturally there there has to be a compromise because there are there are you know warring sides involved here and russia is not going to allow the interests of ethnic russian citizens of ukraine to be ignored so i don't think we're going to see a one to one compromise here because something that russia exercises in the u.n. security council that ukraine does not exercise is a veto so if things do not go in a manner that russia considers fair and protection ery to the russian population in the region then i don't think we're going to see a speedy compromise but when the compromise does come it will be in accord with the necessary humanitarian protections for the russians because russia will not hesitate to veto anything that harms their interests clearly a lot of aspects discussed meetings the political analysts join the balls initial

live from belgrade. moving on there's been a third consecutive night of violence in the u.s. city of st louis in response to be acquittal of a police officer who killed a black man sunday's demonstrations started as a peaceful march but the send it into rioting what property damaged and police officers assaulted more than eighty wrists were made. i was i. play in what's now a familiar pattern of peaceful marches are turning into chaos by nightfall protesters smashed windows through trash cans at officers there are also reports of police being attacked with unknown chemicals on friday demonstrators broke

a window at the merge home under in the city's been swelling since a judge cleared former officer jason stokley of killing the lamar smith in twenty or. more order. of social commentator on three brian logan believes that people came from other areas just tickles trouble and turned the protests and too right. they should've known absolutely especially in st louis because that's where you had the infamous. thing that very same area just a few years ago i think it might have been in two thousand and fourteen. so.

i think what happened was it came from other places for to express purpose of making the. so really stop that from happening most of the people that were there were not really from the area some of them were of course. dangerous they wanted to whatever but it's not really people feeling any kind of. person they really don't care about they look at it as opportunity to be able to get themselves out there to be in front of media cameras and to get attention. and here in.

if. politicians do something against. me put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or some want to. have to go right to be cross with a white woman for a scream or can people get. interested falls in the waters of our. city.

you're back with the r t joining to military drills between russia and belarus are well underway scores of planes helicopters tanks combat ships are involved in playing out a scenario to eliminate trespassing military units the first stage of the drills practice country in direct threats to balad reuss and repairing militants. i.

an impressive show for military watchers and others alike but it has prompted some western officials to express concern over what they see as a threat to european security reporting in my f. . well now we northwest russia and it's all in with a name that perhaps sounds nightmarish for or for in the telling of got to know we'll be heading out from here to the office to solve in seventeen military drills . that taking place just

a few hundred kilometers away the joint exercises between russia and the way that we today the state and well haven't signed into invasion of europe so far as i can tell but a concert to some media expectations perhaps the drills very sitting huge media attention long before they even start to worsen the fishless have been a little more reserved in that but just a little bit they're about to do an exercise in russia. it's going to tail up to one hundred thousand russian troops moving into into that country the great concern is they're not going to leave and that's you know that's not paranoia that's active concern among among the country the dates of the. fund suggests that the total phone li thirteen thousand troops are going to participate and that's from both sides and the majority of them are from bollywood by the way but in the eyes of washington and some european capitals the numbers could be ten or even twenty times higher something must go says it finds quote astonishing we were surprised by

german defense minister or some off on down lie and statements including the number one hundred thousand plucked from thin air referring to russian soldiers participating in the twenty seven thousand exercises and the supposed a danger that they pose to europe tanks artillery fire fighter jets they'll be all of it late in the day. and perhaps putting the jewels in the spotlight even more than is expected to attend the drills as well. respond in my of reporting there while this drills attracted negative media attention even before they got away some outlets even describe them as a secret plan to invade nato countries we travel to a lot near the russian border to find what the locals there think about a so-called russian invasion. moon tomorrow i think this is all a joke nothing will happen i know that. seriously of course everything will be ok

these russian drills are actually an answer to nato drills in the baltics. no no everything's fine here there's no negative information representatives are invited to russian drills so all the dangers are being exaggerated. journalist new clarke says it's not russia and belarus that have acted aggressively we've got a real double standard here russia and belarus are allies they are carrying out these exercises they're very transparent there are international observers there and russia and belarus of both got very good reasons to be to be carrying out these military exercises the nato critics are being very hypocritical we're living in a well again kind of propaganda framework at the moment where the countries who have done the attacking of other countries the countries that have posed a threat to world peace are pretending to be the countries under threat and but in actual fact it's russia which is acting here defensively with good cause because

we've seen what nato has done in the destruction they've caused around the world. the european union's top court has overruled at talian law on a lot of farmer there too so a genetically modified crops that's the spite every region in the country saying they were against the controversial food source back in one thousand nine hundred eight the farmer in question was authorized by the european court to use specific seeds that reportedly had no adverse effects on human health or the environment but nearly fifteen years later he face fines from the italian government who argue that crops could pose a risk. well italy has previously asked the european commission to the use of g.m. seeds nationwide but was turned down in twenty thirteen be issued a ministerial decree that led to farmers being sued but this new e.u.

court decision effectively overruled it some farmers in italy gave us their thoughts on the use of genetically modified seeds. i believe that if italy has decided that g.m. owes will not be grown on its territory that decision has total legitimacy come to italy have the opportunity to buy and taste a large amount of local products these products are the result of years of work and one hundred year old farming history what will we gain from g.m. most if a sovereign state decides that certain laws are fundamental to its economy i don't think it is right that the e.u. can interfere with those laws. but. if you produce in italy and you are italian you should follow italian laws not force things that go against those laws who work here and we do not break our laws we respect them we completely reject g.m. seeds we produce high quality products in former ghana. all the fears over g.m.

crops are wide and varied they range from minor food allergies to more serious cases like infertility miscarriage birth defects and even cancer the spiked up the e.u. court approved some g.m. seeds usage in italy and we discussed it with a number of experts. if not these crops are forbidden because we still do not understand what the consequences are so far there has been no proper research for this reason we do not know in five years ten years twenty years what can happen surely this ruling creates a president that makes it urgent and necessary to conduct research and experiments the choice to use g.m. seeds or not should not be dictated by economic political or social parameters but must be dictated only and exclusively by technical choices and scientific analysis there is a very strong conflict of joe's diction the which cannot be solved because there is

no upper or toit above the european union the european union lol will prevail on the italian law from now on so with is certainly allowed to every. modify farmer to farmer we speak a lot about genetically modified organisms well because it is a vote and the topic because people are interested in this but there are many conflicts of jurisdiction between between the u. and italy i don't see as a positive thing this infringement of italian laws by the european union. and afghan asylum seekers who face taliban death threats is back in britain after the u.k. government lost a lengthy court case over his plea for safety twenty two year old son mean biggs out was threatened by the taliban because of his contacts with the afghan government and american military and fled in twenty fifteen he was detained this

july after britain's home office missed his asylum claim he was put on a plane to turkey last month but the pilot refused to take off after seeing him weeping and in the stress big ziad was finally flown to cobol last tuesday despite a u.k. high court injunction which meant he should not have been sent home secretaries now accuser. of contempt of court as a result he arrived back in britain on sunday while his cases refute i've been in contact with him. from his room in kabul where he was told he couldn't leave. i think he's said that he's scared he's anxious he's worried about things going outside and he thinks he for that he was a real danger just by being in a relatively secure area he was very very scared it will be and he was hoping for this moment for him to return back to the u.k. have him to return back to safety to be with his friends and be with his a foster family and simon was in detention for a number of months before this removal attempts so he was subjected to dispense in

which. is an inhumane thing for many many people for a number of moms who are then attempts to return him back to afghanistan somewhere where he is. the home office sees the number of detained asylum seekers being returned or leaving voluntarily rules slightly in the year to june big zones lawyer say he's bounced on to a shift in home office policy. time him is an extreme example of this he was subjected to removal attempts where the pilot refused to play him as a result of that the home office seemed to be destructive and therefore removed him with two and a half hours notice not allowing him a chance they could buy twenty one but more importantly allow us to make a legal case for his return this is something which is happening more and more as a result of the change of the home office policy recently i mean there are many people in detention centers who are moved without any notice who are also suffering

this is well i'm forty enough don't have the opportunity of having a lawyer or having so many people advocating for them so i'm happy that we're up three seven but i feel sad that that many more who we haven't been able to say. well as far as britain is concerned afghanistan is now officially safe for people to return despite a resurgent taliban threat in several regions but some big zones plight is far from unique. to seeing kill worked enough to understand for the british army as an interpreter was blinded in one eye he fled in twenty fourteen after getting death threats sought asylum in britain in twenty sixteen but faces deportation to we got reaction from a military analyst who blames prime minister treason may for making asylum more difficult. i mean they could be obviously the case for human rights and this is also linked to the e.u. and the european union because the u.k. wants to leave they want to pull out of the human rights commission as well that

links the european union the u.k. government it's a trend because the current prime minister may when she was over secretary she was extremely strict and said about this whole process of limiting in immigration into areas they have targeted a student visas and asylum seekers there are loads of deportations without due course of justice or evidence so we're just seeing basically the rule of law being tightened to the extent where the u.k. government are ignoring human rights in some countries where specially if they are responsible in the case of afghanistan for the problems because of course the afghan war has been going on for sixteen years and the british do not want to admit defeat or failure there so they are saying it's a successful war and the afghans can continue to live as the need for them to have asylum in which is quite laughable because the taliban are stronger than they've ever been the afghan government only control forty percent of the country so that means afghanistan is more dangerous than it's ever been in sixteen years there be

more civilians killed this year in afghanistan than entire sixteen years of nato being there. french police refusing to police to sacramento authorities paying gangsters to behave just two of the stories i did over the past twenty four hours two are you true page always worth a look this is hard to. match geysers financial survival guide stacey let's learn a salad fill out let's say i'm not sure i get any or at least grease the fight well street spot thank you for helping.

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and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle as the syrian government pushes to finally end the war washington again calls for regime change also the media war regarding north korea and the so-called russia threat. cross-linking just some facts i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have a row he is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis poll and we have dimitri he is a political analyst with sputnik international all right gentlemen as always crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it first i'd like to talk about the cantle izing piece if i can say in the new york times our team sputnik and russia's new theory of war how the kremlin

built one of the most powerful information weapons of the twenty first century and why it may be impossible to use. sounds like the opening of a twilight zone episode mark i read the entire article it's a big investment in time. i don't really know what he was trying to say well i mean i think some of it i think it's pretty clear that. because of its counter narrative approach to what liberal mainstream pro-american publications like the new york times put out there is no greater threat to russian civilization then well you peter i mean are you know already yeah to me as well oh if they're watching you you're you're part of the problem too you're right we're all guilty here this is standard

in full war screed. it was not standard because it's quite exhaustive it is twenty four pages long i printed out print printed out print it out twenty four pages long it's it's it's quite amazing. as the headline as you pointed out our teaspoon nick in russia's new theory of war basically doing back to the western mainstream media what they've been doing to run a. new theory of war demon. is saying something different is that a new theory of war please note that the russian never says what war first it's always that west you know in ukraine would have war with russia you know in information week of war with russia well the point is that the divides the history of. the good one before two thousand and nine two thousand that and the bad one

which is now. and the author jim rutenberg break i think we're going there the whole time i didn't know there was a group of about well if he has praise for the period when we could meet valuables and paul and what were seen as. the russian media for foreign audiences who hired professionals from b.b.c. and radio. europe well jim rutenberg if you read the american press all the time you will see that american press that record in rio was to do with the russian government and most peaceful putin all the bad warlords that you are now using forty so maybe in a few years i'm sure he's going to have a few words of praise for us and and the game he will sign and i'm going to a perfect example of projecting your values onto a foreign politics please you know this is what mistakes did he find. a story of a girl of russian origin b. even in germany who first said that she was raped then she and this is

a story that originated with german media local media was picked up by a russian language television network and i believe mistakenly picked up their story ok yes in january two thousand and sixteen which means almost two years ago they quote them to find a better accusation against us well the mass destruction in iraq war you know was largely so you would see in new hampshire that's all you got ok that's what you got . there isn't an important point that there is no more difference between the peacetime in the water it's a good the united states and the worst are always a poor it's completely new because even during the cold war you have some you have the cold war but it was the cold war you have the second world war and though we are without poor and it's a. drugs war on terror it's own words so what's really interesting to me is that i've been here for the entire history of this television station and i would say the first time we made an impression was during this crisis of two thousand and

eight people started to tune in and then it was really the so-called arab spring like all of the sunni winter we had a different narrative and then it you sort of ukraine in syria and we presented a narrative about those conflicts right there it was starkly stark. different and this is what really really angers them the freedom of speech in the west is a complete illusion and you know i saw in france and depended on the current us contending the opening of all tea in french and so i mean this is a right it should be in december i think and there's a real panic because they're going to last. in france you have only one idea in on all the tunnels and during the last campaign it all defunct and it's all the private one we're supporting and. and so just the idea of having it and there's

a tentative. we are not going to support that mode macor for instance even if. you want to put any nobody in and it's a panic. this clearly don't want any competition they don't want their monopoly to be broken but i think the timing of this is interesting i know a little bit of the background story of this is that this was an article that was in the in the making for a while from what i understand stan but its publication now the illegal seizure of russian properties in the united states the assault on the consulate in san francisco and other things is there a pattern you know mark in what to expect here i mean it also comes of the same time as is that they are pushing our t.v. and sputnik the f.b.i. investigations are pushing russian media to register under the foreign agent registration which is a very slippery slope media as foreign agents. of course will be

a mediately met in russia by dentical critics in the west have long critiqued russia's foreign agent registration act which if you don't get your quote has not made you want to be a media which is a copy of us now they're using this politically and they they have no problem with me let me know just but it's clear that when rashi. introduced oh foreign agents registration act the western side said but it's not used any longer in the united states so no use for a pack in israel that's for sure knowledge that we're going to use it more excited arabia and we will see how it works and i can assure you that. times will continue in france in some days because usually when they start to complain again it could be any. interest you have to or to. be a week and it would start in france on their way to protect the public spirit quote unquote by the powers that be i see there is

a pattern here i see this. in meddling which have not been proven at all no no ok and not at all. the starting of saying sions taking a property in the united states now this campaign against our team sputnik i have i think of one individual very often julian assange because if you have embassies that are being violated under international law. he could be told picked him to the same procedures in attacks of the united states is done and it's always the same with the us who are getting the ok so it's a deal so every scene is a lot against it what you're talking deviance you're talking questioning. the new york times represent the right main decision. that is they have big problem with. question more it drives them to question how dare we question what they say

how dare we quit because we saw there. it was in my service in the u.s. military that made me question more of the u.s. government sorry guys but you know we do question more if we look at this or we look at this twenty four page screen there is one important paragraph in it this is the way. they work the headline is about russia's new theory of war the media and everything page eighteen out of twenty four sixty five paragraphs in we have this in the lightning paragraph and our tease coverage of trump has not been wholly uncritical chris hedges the former times times correspondent said trump had a penchant for lying and deception and manipulation and edge schultz pleaded with his guests who's going to stop donald trump i did show called they don't need to maintain the same any oh yes many times right but even though the classified

intelligence assessments seem to the struggle what exactly made the russian out flutes influence on the election so nothing serious it described r t n sputnik is sitting at the center of a sprawling social media network all my friends on facebook that included third party intermediaries and paid social media users or trolls but it provided no detail about how that might have and i would point out to everyone watching if you want to blame me you can blame me i gave donald trump the benefit of the doubt because i agreed what he had to say about foreign policy which he has thrown to the wayside but if you want to blame someone at our team for electing donald trump you can blame me because i'm the only one who gave him a fair shot r.t. america very liberal and progressive ok go ahead you well i think salvia raised a very interesting issue in no way that the us propaganda machine be damaging certain people where there is a great american noble bolt it would be deep you know my cave even looks like

a not cool enough to moby dick you know which is russia and and and and we just recently acquired a great story you know down the road try to break convince them eric in public that it would have a deal with jordan us on which we could. exchanged. out of hand by the cia exactly in exchange for sure you know it's given us proof that he didn't have his information from russians that time wise move from you remember eight starbuck dating him captain mike let's return to coleman said let's return to the shows we don't want to die but warms to go off to that moby dick so this is the story with this is what i think the crosstalk is it always brings in the literary angle here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on just.

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when so many find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. welcome back across like we're all things considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing just facts. ok gentlemen let's switch gears here let's look at a look at the north korean story here i'm holding here a an article from antiwar dot com which i encourage everyone to read a gallup poll u.s. majority backs attacking north korea most don't believe the u.s. attack will happen in the next six months. i took interest in this example going to you is the media establishment did it get again did it again you know oh it's

going to get it just about to come about that tour and that kind of going to have a war and in my opinion you know when you use to us to people where is the ukraine . i don't know we're so human to human one isn't. is not some career i'm not sure they can find where is it but then they know that it's a three and that's what's very you. know you know it's a threat. so this is this is the you know we've discussed on this program the danger of the r t but you know it's the it's new york times it's the washington post they're the danger here they are the danger because they are the drum drums of war and they follow the message they get from the state department from the intelligence community from the deep state you know you can't neglect c.n.n. m s n b c have fox you know the big networks and this sure they're all pushing they love war because it brings them profits right and the hype to war i don't think at

least in the short term there is going to be any military action in north korea i think the u.s. is just going to have to accept that north korea now has a strategic deterrent unless they negotiate their way out of it which will mean compromise. which they're so loath to do. simply because north korea has far too strong a conventional deterrent seoul in the way of over artillery pieces on the other side of the d.n.a. and at the end of the day they have a so-called ally with china who will not allow the regime to me the most important thing about this poll numbers i take a slightly different stance we see that number has increased from forty seven percent in two thousand and three who want military action against or or were willing to accept that the fifty eight percent now but. partisan divide you have eighty two percent of republicans now backing the war whereas thirty seven percent of the democrats backing the work if we go back to a conflict like libya. or any of other obama's military actions we would have seen

reversed numbers americans are so partisanly blindly divided that as long as their candidate is leading the country to war they will back to the war but what does not going to do you see democrats protesting against any of it well i don't know what happen to the anti-war movement but you know mark is right here it's very interesting because. we presumably trump supporters they want something something must be done we've heard before here you know this is putting he's putting himself not only into a strategic corner he's been himself into a media corner is well ok we don't have time to talk about daca and immigration reform but it looks like he's led or be interested apparently put the place down again ok and he's getting stuck with this north korean thing that has been turned into a media hype story well you're right i think they have defeated himself when he didn't resist. to stop when he allowed basically you know he's age to

be to be fired all of them anti-war people you know if you really mean he will get out of giving up my from the get go absolutely and we have another example i think a positive one rand paul you know congressman from kentucky made this speech when he asked the question you know we asked starvin seventeen media and yemenis you know are they on the brink of starvation there is an outbreak of cordura what what will they give me is think i. suggest all of our viewers to go to youtube to look at that speech on the floor of congress it's a brilliant speech specifically on the renewal of the use of the a you m.-f. the. continuing resolution since two thousand and one updated in two thousand and three has been used to justify military action u.s. military action all around the world on the orders of the executive without any

congressional approval of versailles on the grounds that it's against al-qaeda or against terror and this is the forever when isis didn't even exist when when he was there when he came into so i mean we would not agree with the libertarian rand paul and everything but he deserves credit for this which everyone should know and i think this speech is also relevant for north korea because rand paul which took in about seventeen million yemen just stopping well because of the new sanctions which presuppose not just their arrest of ships carrying weapons to north korea but also their raft of ships carrying fuel to north korea they're going to freeze twenty five million people in north korea this winter would not going to save albright say about something like that when it came to children in iraq ok i just was this is what. it was when i thought it that's what she said a gentleman nikki haley again i'm absolutely convinced that she has advanced degrees in hillbilly studies i'm absolutely convinced that not satisfied not

satisfied i'm reading from an art now i'm satisfied till aside u.s. pushes for regime change as war in syria winds down so the u.s. and nikki haley are not satisfied everyone we all know the words. that are no no no no no no no no no rolling stone will have to pay some kind of copyright but i don't want to push it. ok it was a good point because they tend to weather the meaning of the advisory opinion and then you are interesting it's exactly the same in france because it was told that we don't need anymore to have any. of those. i don't remember the country and there are newspaper. we need a said that couldn't be part of the transition we don't know what they want school to get is a lost this is the first visit on form to which is not so friendly and went through this over the last to do some compromise exactly words which were told they don't

want all of us know because if they compromise they see compromise as weakness ok yes and that's what they do that is called to the internet because we're sure they're going to deal you can compromise you have to destroy him completely because the same sort of david the show has during the last six years and so we must be destroyed there is no i tell you there is a league because the west was wrong in everything that it's done in syria they have to have assad gone to justify there is lot more ridhima well i think it's what's need to be called that and for i just loved it well not going to be satisfied until we see a strong and stable syria and that is not with the police so we're. going to stand a libya syria what other well if you want to throw in there some ali you know yemen syria and his father was not a perfect place but can anyone say that it was not stronger that it was not more stable than it is now when you know when that controlled by the friends of the

united states rand paul i think was right when he basically said in his speech that we were out on the same side with isis in syria i think times in place and actually in my opinion it would have some consequences on the rest of the u.s. but it to can the world because they lost in georgia you know sitter they lost with assad. in libya will be a part of the solution and there was you know. victory in ukraine exactly in my opinion in ukraine within maybe two years it would be more or less or maybe it would be you know essentially. you're far more optimistic at the. top of the question is what the us are going to do further because it usually is a cunt promise the poor to any kind of terrorism sure i'm sure gangsters in. the world and they give the poor it's what happened in kosovo for instance to give give a poor word to the i've been in i know the can do that's a permit the poor work to the opposition in syria for instance and some very close

people to us that they left their lives to paris their lives to work on camera close to langley. they were sure they would there would be a president and minister in in some months years and those in a lower there would be an interesting in the very life it was a lot and no i don't want to just set the bar with the ukraine i was a pessimist until saakashvili got back to a few days ago these days kelly never stops play everything explained who is go ahead saakashvili is the former georgian president who was hired by does hold a share of the hold of georgia. and while it was here george you know therefore i don't know for embarrassment here you are our biggest political prisoners organized to deal with ukrainian citizenship by the great democrat president poroshenko he was the point that the governor about their son after fifty people were killed there brought into live finale nationalists which other corruption and and i like that they can take out of corruption and when secretary was a better aunt what i brought for our shank or stripped him off he has ukrainian

citizenship that great democrat who of course will never agree to bring your strip in sorest top of each or they were seated at your right i don't know how saakashvili by chance with their parents of the biggest greenie and factions for the bottom and illegally cross the border back to your green and some call he is now growing into the main overtone and to push a force to their way back in after him of some right wing ultra nationalists absolute conclusion conclusion i was a pessimist i saw it at last for many years now that sort of saakashvili is because these guys they can mess up things into our worse we'll we know it will be like a cancer is that what i really don't understand is that i thought saakashvili was going to be groomed to run venezuela after the forced regime chain. yeah i mean what you're learning say is that i think your friend is saying you know i guess he is a part of this international elite who was built by the u.s. you know to to to to go in power in all the countries are going to try to control

you know you're going so he's using it were eligible fake politician that's yet to be this is not so fake politician it was interesting when he was you know this is a vice governor was a. young girl he was a. gate up to him are you going to get the ball so it will go up there are you are you have such a you know a police elite were able to lead any country you want to give them ok after the crane it would be as you say maybe even israel and after they can go back you know i'd only been friends you know maybe you know there are the you know it's not such as it's going to criticise him thanks to saakashvili. stripped of the russian citizenship and saved us from a lot of trouble so don't blame your base i can't really talk is really is the right dime a dozen he's a typical neo con neo liberal he's one of mccain's proteges clients the

strong man he well you know by the night however is going to take on his his story there jake. trapper just loves john mccain you know mimics anything else to say i bet he's going to be a big supporter of president the problem in the ukraine is a bow to get your losers of course from russia and i think and i had you know i was you know generally ready to go down this path run out of time but as part of the program many thanks to my guest here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are you see you next time and remember crosstalk. well nobody thought of a marshall when the. islamic states claims it was behind the month just

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for headline stories this hour washington requests talks with schools on the sidelines of the un general assembly with syria. ukraine. u.s. officials are running out of diplomatic. tensions even going as far as north would be destroyed. more than. a third consecutive night of violence in the city of.