donald trump pushes for reform of the united nations saying the world body hasn't reached its full potential. in recent years the united nations has not reached its full potential because of bureaucracy and mismanaged. u.k. media is abuzz with speculation over the london bombing suspects a c.c.t.v. footage emerges appearing to show one of the men involved all say. more than eighty arrests a major in a third consecutive night of violence in the us city of st louis sparked after next police officer was found not guilty of murdering

a black man. and i welcome come to life in moscow you're watching r.t. international. now the u.s. president has made his first speech at the u.n. where he spoke about reforming the international body. changes to the u.n. structure something he has long. in recent years the united nations has not reached its full potential because of bureaucracy and mismanagement while the united nations on a regular budget has increased by one hundred forty percent and its staff has more than doubled since two thousand and we are not seeing the results in line with this investment president tribe's a first speech to the u.n. was dedicated to u.n. reform which he's been calling for for

a long time now un ambassador nikki haley also spoke right after president tribe stating her support for the idea of spending cuts in fact she was the driving force behind a six hundred million dollar cut to the un peacekeeping budget this year donald trump has a businessman for seeing potential and he sees great potential not just in this reform movement but in the united nations itself the trumps remarks seemed to contradict his earlier statements regarding the u.n. considering he's never actually been happy with the body the united nations is not a friend of democracy it's not a friend to freedom it's not a friend even to the united states of america united states is one of one hundred ninety three countries in the u.s. pays for twenty two percent of the budget we need the member states to come together to eliminate integration sheehan. and to ensure that no one nation

shoulders a disproportionate share of the very militarily or financially the united nations is that wonderful. but for the benefit of the u.s. has such tremendous potential that we go up to its potential when you see you so they don't because it's a waste even though trouble criticized us spending and bureaucracy he also stated that the u.n. is. changing under secretary general antonio terence this is interesting because in june this particular secretary general seemed to oppose any budget cuts saying that it would create an unsolvable problem to the un now it's clear that the u.n. is set to change but the question is will it work out with less funding. american reporting there will donald trump is expected to speak at the u.n. general assembly on tuesday bus ahead of that washington did request

a meeting with russia's top diplomat will have the details of what was said a bit later in the program. u.k. police continue to withhold the identities of two suspects arrested in connection with last week's two bombing earlier the city's mayor gave a summary of what we know so far although more information has come out in the british media. there have been two arrests significant progress for the police to continue their investigations are just at the site with the room where the people used to live with the rest of asia but you'd appreciate if you the suspects know charles she's yes despite a lot of the official information is yet to be confirmed we have certainly seen the press here in the u.k. really be abuzz with alleged details on potential suspects now certainly they've been focusing their attention on two men specifically one of them an unnamed eighteen year old man said to have been for all of iraqi origin the media here in

the u.k. have been reporting that this is a young man that had allegedly arrived to the u.k. when he was fifteen years old following the death of both of his parents back in iraq now they've been reporting that he was arrested on friday evening near the port of dover and they're claiming that he is according to them the key suspect in this whole terror related latest incident in the u.k. because they've been circulating images captured by c.c.t.v. cameras where a young man can be seen carrying little bag which is a grocery store here and this is the exact same bag that was captured in images inside the carriage of where this homemade device had partially detonated on friday morning and the second young man is actually being named a second alleged suspect according to the media they are describing him as twenty one year old for rukh and according to them he was arrested on saturday evening outside a chicken shop in west london now the media here have said that they've tracked

down what they're saying is his facebook page that says that he is from damascus syria that this was a person who had studied english in london and worked at a events company here in the british capital and they have been saying that in the facebook page you can see that he lived somewhere near heathrow airport and that he had arrived in europe via egypt to back in twenty third. there's also been lots of attention given to the foster care couple that are reportedly were having these two men in foster care at certain periods throughout their presence in the u.k. and there are lots of reports about the neighbors describing them as a beautiful couple they're reported to be seventy one and eighty years old they are said to have fostered hundreds of children including migrants over a period of over thirty years there are reported to have been honored by the queen for their services in terms of helping children back in two thousand and nine according to media reports here the neighbors are saying their god is there has

been a social media support page created for them so certainly lots of attention given to the personalities involved in this latest terror incident bunch more information get to come in terms of official statements as this investigation continues the situation reporting what we also heard from the races company where human bennet's and he believes it's important for the media not to whip up hatred in society in the wake of the attack. be tired of a styria is building up around pass and scream does not contribute to a kind of unified society obviously all of us don't want to see such acts taking place inside the underground but we have to understand that as a consequence even the people who are perhaps described as come from the background coming from different parts of the world one of the consequences we live in a world which is rich with conflict with god be clear that we don't want muslims or the muslim community that has been here for hundreds of years to face the

consequences of a racist backless which is a really been taking place for the last twenty years and we would like to have balanced reporting on this and not the kind of moral panic that seems to be taken place in season parts of the media. now there's been a third consecutive night of violence in the u.s. city of st louis after a former police officer was acquitted of murdering a black man sorry murdering a black man sundays demonstrations started as a peaceful march but descended into rioting with property damaged and police officers assaulted more than eighty arrests were made. was. by nightfall the marches had turned into chaos protesters as you can see smashed

windows and three trash cans in offices the rules are reports that police were attacked with unknown chemicals on friday demonstrators vandalized the mayor's home angry the city has been swelling since a judge cleared former officer jason stop plea of killing anthony lamar smith back and twenty left. or all your own oil or oil. oil oil. oil or oil. a lot of anger there's a lot of frustration and there's a lot of people felt that he we will not be heard and it's so important that they call the chinese the narrative of violence is never justified on the any circumstances even though people may say that there was

a mitigating factors in this case here but personally i don't think is acceptable particularly when you say it you're harming your very own community. that's been undermined fruita. joint military drills between russia and bettering star underway at the moment schools have airplanes helicopters tanks in combat ships are involved in acting out defensive maneuvers the first stage of the exercise is simulated countering direct threats to better rigs and repel a foreign fighters. well

the drills which officially end on wednesday have led some western officials to express concern over what they see is a direct threat to european security the slonim myatt as more. but you can see right now behind me it's the states they joined russian bell that was merely treat exercise this process that's been put into place really by any problems that sound

like. the joint exercises between russia and the rates have been signed into invasion of europe so far as i can tell that's concert to some media expectations perhaps the drills very sitting huge media attention long before they even start to western the fish oils have been a little more resolved in that but just a little bit they're about to do an exercise in russia. that's going to tail up to one hundred thousand russian troops moving into into that country the great concern is they're not going to leave and that's you know that's not paranoia that's active concern among among the countries the data from the russian and i would say that the russian ministry of defense suggest that's a total of thirteen thousand troops going to participate and that's from both sides and the majority of them are from belize by the way but in the eyes of washington and some european capitals the numbers could be ten or even twenty times higher something must close as it finds quote astonishing.

but let's now see what we've got here. would be n.p.t. the more the nice seventeenth seat nothing new actually but these are the working horses of the russian army. well earlier russia's president putin arrived in the leningrad region to observe the exercises the country's defense minister sergei sure who was also there and they hailed the drills as being of the highest level but as we mentioned earlier these about her exercises have seen some sensationalist media reporting some outlets have even suggested they are pretty lead to the invasion of eastern europe we traveled to a lot of the in town near the russian border to find out what locals there actually think about the likelihood of an incursion by moscow. i think this is all a joke nothing will happen i know that the american forces are seriously of course

. these russian drills are actually in answer to major drills in the baltics mult dar no no everything's fine there's no negative information representatives are invited to russian troops so all the dangers are being exaggerated we've got a real double standard here russia and belarus are allies they are carrying out these exercises they're very transparent there are international observers there and russia and belarus are both got very good reasons to be to be carrying out these military exercises the nato critics are being very hypocritical we're living in an orwellian kind of propaganda framework at the moment where the countries who have done the attacking of other countries the countries have pose a threat to world peace are pretending to be the countries under threat and but in actual fact it's russia which is acting here defensively with good cause because we've seen what nato is done in the destruction they've caused around the world.

now russia and america's top diplomats have met at washington's request for the first time since relations plunged to what's been described as in the story post cold war low or new york correspondent killed martin has more now on what rove and rex tillerson discussed. russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov and u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson held a meeting on the sidelines of the united nations general assembly now the meeting was initiated by the american side the issues discussed specifically were syria and ukraine in syria there are accusations being leveled by the united states that u.s. backed rebel forces were directly attacked by russia now russia says that these rebel forces were not attacked that rather it was only i still forces that were attacked but the area in question the issue is the city of darryl's or it's important to know that this is taking place as there have been breakthroughs in the negotiations in russia iran and turkey have actually reached a breakthrough

a document has been released and deescalation zones are actually being a stablished in the country in the northwestern regions of syria in the province and elsewhere we're actually starting to see breakthroughs in deescalation zones in the country be established as a result of the negotiations that are taking place in kazakstan between the three parties now it's also important to note that another issue that was discussed was the issue of ukraine and. and rex tillerson discussed implementing the minsk agreement for peace and deescalation of tensions in ukraine there's been ongoing fighting in ukraine in the east in the donbass region and the u.s. secretary of state and the russian foreign minister did discuss the possibility of implementing the agreement and making sure there were no tension middle east expert on the risks and the trumpet ministration still wants to improve ties between russia and the us despite all the pressure. with the developments in syria ritual

of syria reaching a sensitive phase particularly in that eastern region the close of the border with iraq i think that the americans thought that it was very important to focus on the fact that there should be another kind of collisions whatsoever i think it also points to the facts which is an important issue to trumpet illustration this by the congressional pressures that are you know despite the presence of anti russian voices in the administration such as licky halley deal with similar sort of to you where mr trump doesn't appear to have given up but it seems that it's one of his efforts to improve the toys between the u.s. and russia although how much will be successful is something which is open for debate as well as well as the sideline talks between russia and the u.s. focus the u.n. general assembly this week is likely to be on the korean peninsula and washington is hinting that if it's that he thinks he's pretty much exhausted every diplomatic

possibility is jack in the game now reports. really sort of sounds like the military option is sort of becoming the frontrunner for them we've had the american ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley saying that she feels that the united nations security council has really already done all that they can when it comes to north korea and that she's really already prepared to hand off the crisis to the u.s. secretary of defense adding that in that situation north korea would be quote destroyed and that's something we have coming from a diplomat i said yesterday i'm perfectly happy taking this over to general mattis because he has plenty of military options if the united states has to defend itself or defend its allies in any way north korea will be destroyed and we all know that and none of us want that none of us want war so there we have haley saying she's happy to hand it over to mattis and not long ago we had he himself describing briefly what that would sort of look like what a military option with north korea would look like and very best words saying that

the response would be both effective and overwhelming any threat to the united states george territories including. or allies will be met with a massive military response a responsible. and overwhelming we are not looking to the total annihilation of a country namely north korea but as i said we have many options to do show and in the same light many remember all of the comments that we've had from trump himself fire and fury and whatnot and amid those threats that we've heard coming from the president he's repeated a number of times that talking with north korea just isn't going to be effective not really diplomatic words that we have coming from the president himself and on sunday trouble so refer to the north korean leader as rocket man and the tweet comments that are unlikely to go without a response and it's worth noting that while some in the trumpet ministration are still hopeful for

a diplomatic solution calling for it it does seem that the focus has sort of shifted from that as sort of like an afterthought and going more towards the looming military option. the co-founder of the national campaign to end the korean war thinks that north korea is actually ready for a diplomatic solution however that's not something washington is so far presented to pyongyang it will not negotiate the nuclear weapons unless the u.s. sends its hostile. policies toward the d.p. r. k. so consequently two sides in a tug of war here we're left with very little option other than considering fire and fury and in reality that shows not only a lack of creativity but arguably violates our commitments under international law as well the idea that in a tug of war you have to let go of one end of the roles you have to have the courage to do that and then use creative aspects of conflict resolution to get the

job done. now the top court of the european union has overruled italian law allowing a farmer there to plant genetically modified corn despite every region in the country saying they were against the controversial crop well in one thousand nine hundred eighty european court authorized the use of the seeds in question saying they had no adverse effects on human health or the environment nearly fifteen years later the farmer was then fined by the italian government which argues that g.m. maize can pose health risks italy has previously asked the european commission to ban the use of g.m. seeds nationwide but was turned down in twenty three thirteen they issued a ministerial decree that led to farmers being sued this court decision effectively over rules that some farmers initially gave us their thoughts on the use of genetically modified. i believe that if italy has decided

that g m o's will not be grown on its territory that decision has total legitimacy those who come to italy have the opportunity to buy and taste a large amount of local products these products are the result of years of work and one hundred year old farming history what will we gain from g.m. most if a sovereign state decides that certain laws are fundamental to its economy i don't think it is right that the e.u. can interfere with those laws. but. if you produce in italy and you are italian you should follow italian laws not force things that go against those laws we work here and we do not break our laws we respect them we completely reject g.m. seeds we produce high quality products in former ghana. well the phase over g.m. crops are wide and very they do range from mine to food allergies to more serious cases and include things like infertility miscarriage birth defects and even cancer

despite that the court approved the use of some g.m. scenes in this early we discussed it with a number of experts. i think of it or. not these crops are forbidden because we still do not understand what the consequences are so far there has been no proper and in-depth research for this reason we do not know in five years ten years twenty years what can happen surely this ruling creates a president that makes it urgent and necessary to conduct research and experiments the choice to use g.m. seeds or not should not be dictated by economic political or social parameters but must be dictated only and exclusively by technical choices and scientific analysis there is a very strong conflict of jurisdiction the which cannot be solved because there is no upper or toit above the european union the european union knows will prevail on the italian love from now on so with this certainly allow the every genetically

modify. farm to farm what we speak a lot about genetically modified organisms because it is a very true and the topic of because people are interested in these but there are many conflicts of jurisdiction between between the euro and italy i don't see as a positive thing this infringement of italian loans by the european union watching out international thanks being with us tonight don't forget you can keep across all of these stories to pass our list on our social media pages and all saying you channel i'll be back there in about thirty five minutes with more.

one else seems wrong. but i'll. just call. me. yet to say proud. just to come out to. a close betrayal. when so many. choose to look for common ground the one. i'm action or towns here we're going underground three years to the day scotland voted to remain being ruled from westminster coming up to show as new figures show that only two percent of the u.k. social housing taleb locks have a full sprinkler system we speak to the u.k. shadow minister for five chris williamson about the underlying causes that led to

the grim felt tragedy and should the government end their contact with g four s. we speak to the chair of the u.k. justice committee about whether the shadow chancellor calls for a no new private prisons is enough to end the crisis was no laughing matter we go to edinburgh to speak to stand up comedian and frank peoples writing partner tom state about new liberal censorship crushing protests in britain all the support coming up in today's going underground but first today as u.k. government targets for the british economy collapse under a government led by a leader who didn't want to leave the european union a former goldman sachs banker mark carney will be delivering a speech in washington strangely it's seldom that u.k. politicians accuse conny governor of the bank of england of being political even called ministers don't much argue that the bank should be the last place to set interest rates that affect all of society but possible tory replacement to theresa may jacob reese morg isn't any politician this is where you see come very close if i may move on. conversations with you going with the trolls. obviously carney

didn't arguably give a satisfactory answer the subsequent in and to seem to those but more intensively substance subsequent to those. after the only implications how is the economy doing actually i mean of course that is a regular ongoing conversation between any given her a new chancellor subsequent to that to see to that whatever else the goldmans. x.-man would say we're going to imagine what conversation will follow today's lecture in washington when he publicly discusses things with i.m.f. managing director christine lagarde remember her forget the jail time many would have liked for her predecessors for impoverishing hundreds of millions of the developing world the present i.m.f. m.d. was up for jail time but she didn't end up doing it was characterized as a plus side at sea and we see on the plus side for her she is not going to have jail time there is no sentence handed down so this is a big slap on the wrist and what we're talking about is christine lagarde the

managing director of the i.m.f. find once found guilty what you have to say criminal charges why she has to resign well if that's unclear it's going to be up to the i.m.f. board no she didn't have to resign which is why she could have a criminal conviction and be chatting about bricks it with canadian banker macone that's connie who presides over one of the most critical leaves in the u.k. economy interest rates while opposing the british people's vote to leave the european union one longtime ally of germany corbin who now leads europe's largest socialist party in britain is the shadow fire and emergency minister chris williams and leading light against their liberalism he joins me now chris welcome to going underground so why is it taking so long for the labor party seemingly to come to terms with supporting the trade union movement that created it. well i think the party was to some extent taken prisoner by neo liberal ideology which pervaded the party for far too long really and i think it led to a situation where party leaders felt they had to distance themselves from the so

they do feel wing of the labor movement in order to to win power i think was a mistake of go to sleep jeremy corbyn who was overwhelmingly elected twice as always project himself all his support for the trade union movement it was him self a form a new people saw him organize and i think the song got to shift to now people have recognised that the sort of a touch of the trade union movement on the mining of the trade union movie. over the years has actually left people in a policy position and indeed the trade union legislation is led directly to the explosion in low paid in secure employment and i'll think there's an appetite for something different and obviously generally epitomizes that and that's why we're in such an overwhelming majority of labor support in terms of the members of one of the things which was contained in our manifesto this time to get a lot of attention in the media was a very significant proposition and that was the notion of

a right to do so that when a company is threatened with a stripping. hedge fund coming in and flog it off and sucking the workers making them redundant or offshoring you know good quality jobs or low wage economies there is now all the would now be under labor governments an opportunity for those workers to be given the first right to refuse to buy that company out and so what we would do is create a network a worker cooperatives you mention that policy surely it is breaks it that allows labor to make their military commitment arguably that would be illegal the creation of corporate of the car and you just mentioned there because it would be encroached on the e.u. legislation about protecting corporations well look the e.u. was in perth i mean brics it's an open ended well indeed potentially is and indeed i gave an interview to my local media on the nights of the referendum when it was obvious that we had lost as i campaigned for the main i was on the wrong side on both occasions in ninety seventy five a boat to come out in this our campaign to remain in the last um both times but no

i mean i think. i think it would be obstacle certainly if you know if we remained in the european you i honestly it's saw some specific advice on that by the house of commons library as the explicit question actually about the about bringing about the railways into public ownership before last may see in twenty fifteen before it might become back in twenty seventeen and they were very clear that actually. there wasn't any e.u. impediments if you like that would actually be insurmountable in the you know you would be able to what your way around that having said that in the atlantic well indeed of course caldwell of course articulately absolutely i agree with out on do but you know we are we are in a situation now where the labor party is very clear on the point that we are going to come out of the european union we respect the democratic will of the public even though most of the members voted to campaign to remain and indeed most supporters voted to remove them to the you know a vote has been hard and we've now got to ensure that when we come out of the

european union that we try to create an economy that works for everybody who works in the jora to people not just those at the top of society if you think that is what i was trying to bring in through the back door with the so-called henry the eighth will be spoken about as well the most important piece of legislation ever to go through the house of commons and that's why critical gerri corwin's opposition to the repeal bill was absolutely i mean i think my worry is that by besting these powers in the hands of the executive the government ministers will make it much easier for them to effectively britain insua deregulated tax haven which triggered article fifty some considerable time ago now we've got what was left of probably less than that now. i just don't think we can negotiate a deal that would work in the interests of older people so what we've said is let's solve this transition period not give us a bit more time because clearly what we want to make sure is that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater in our manifesto which i think is probably the best

manifesto we produce it's. very conservative well no i mean about i think it was one which captured the imagination i've never known i've been a member the last forty four forty one years and i've never known people. because we're talking about the manufacturers' like a bestseller you know took some of the shadow foreign minister out of it was the you didn't win but are you confident and your the shadow minister for emergency services after all you cover the back door henry the eighth day bridges lation will mean it will be more different. well as an emergency minister in government under called in the premiership to bring back into democratically publicly accountable power so much of the emergency services which were privatized under new labor and tories we don't just want to kick the profits is out of the national health service what we believe actually is really into delivering public services prophecy it's got no place at all because when you think about it the profit sector when they take on public services how do they make their margins make the margins often by. diminishing the quality of the service but predominantly is by screwing the workers

into the ground and actually diminishing that conditions and what we want to make sure that we do is we create a economic virtuous circle where we see the public services which actually benefit the general public and should we value our public servants we recognize that public services actually define a decent society and actually know by putting the money in the pockets of all the working people and paying public sector workers properly and not just seeing as a plaything for you know the private sector as it were to actually create economic growth you know if in fact the labor government brings more of it into democratically accountable well no no no we are absolutely no labor would absolutely make it very but the weather weather is very conservative about five before going into the fall we know by next easter when the reported to the granville tower fire emerges from this this night in moore. will in the area looking at this report into its become emblematic of. britain

privatised britain as it were you have much faith in it given that he's restricting it to the immediate causes of the fire we've said that this should be a two stage inquiry process clearly we need to get to the bottom of how the fire started why spread so quickly why the residents who lived in in grand forks are were ignored because they predicted a catastrophe would happen before they were they were heard but what we want to see a more fundamental inquiry looking at how was it possible that those political decisions could be made you know the whole issue around deregulation externalization i got to tell you in my view the dreadful tower is a direct consequence of almost forty years of neo liberalism without the second tier i think which looks up the sort of environment that allowed the kind of whole deregulation agenda promises asian agenda and cuts agenda to permeate our sort of you know public sector discourse that you know my fear is we won't learn the lessons and just very briefly. if you are in government you can guarantee they will

be critical of machines of emergency in other words absolutely no i mean we are committed to a fully nationalized national health service not only that we've also said that the challenge of of the day to day is a national care service we have a demographics at a time bomb going off and. you know we've got lots of people who have become infirm people are living longer and they're having to sell sell their house in order to be able to pay for the care that's completely around their families a kind of just or me working class people never really probably have a couple in their life many of them would probably encourage them to mortgage fancier it's by their counselors for example so you know put themselves into debt as well i appreciate that i know i don't divert from that no i agree we went along with that but i think the problem was that we didn't actually you know when we were thirteen years ago but we didn't know so much about the rights of we didn't invest in new council housing and one of things of course of jeremy corbyn. for

a strong commitment in our manifesto to build a million homes half a million bush will be council houses council housing was was. to words which didn't speak their name for the last sort of thirty or forty years it was very much you know the trajectory was divesting ourselves of councils and i think i heard some statistic recently suggested that thirty five percent of the houses which are now in the provinces sector and the rents being charged to three times four times what they would be if they were a council that is being subsidized through the housing benefit system we have a crazy housing policy in this country which is geared to subsidizing high rents both in the sort of social housing sector to put it that way but also in the private sector since the twenty seven billion pounds a year has been spent on housing benefit it's absolute madness we should be using a proportion of that money to invest in new homes that would generate new jobs it would talk about social need and. housing crisis is just plain common sense thank

you. after the break the former vice chair of the conservative party response to accusations from chris williamson well but austerity and years of privatisation deregulation hills boring job worse than selling arms to saudi arabia stand up comedian frankie boyle is right he. stayed on our booking for the power of the prison or even the death sentence all this of all going over part two of going out to go. to medication is widespread on the us market and a frequent cause of death at that point in my life. like everything was ash my family was literally coming unglued i had actually planned. to commit suicide watch or who has made antidepressants so commonly used we were doing what the doctor scold us to do we were being responsible and what the real. to fix.

was. what i did was done on a cocktail of legal drugs. just because something's legal doesn't mean it's sinking. off selling you on the idea that dropping bombs brings police to the chicken hawks forcing you to fight the battles they don't want. to do socks credit tell you that celebrity gossip and tabloid birth files are the most important news today. off the bat think you are not cool enough and that's the fight there. be all the hawks that we along with are worth watching. international community continues lee emphasize about a united iraq as a slogan maybe an approach to the politicians but the reality on the ground.

to be blamed for what is happening in the rest of. iraq going through. welcome back in the first half of the show we heard from shadow foreign emergency minister chris williamson who gave us his views about why more than eighty people died in london in june in the tragedy joining me now is chair of britain's parliamentary justice select maybe he's also a former foreign minister and former vice chair of britain's ruling conservative party bob thanks for coming on the show. basically chris was very very direct with us more than eighty people died as a direct result of deregulation and privatization have an inquiry he didn't say that. well i think chris is just completely wide of them out there i'm sorry to say he's in a particularly ideological view about this which i don't think bears out the facts

let's give it a bit of context shall we this is a terrible awful tragedy but the context to it is this over the years over all that time that chris has been saying they have been deregulation done by both his own party and the conservatives can be accused of supporting tony blair i think that's probably right but he does have to take this all sort of why was that done because ministers on both saw is actually acting on expert advice and throughout that period over the last twenty years or more we have seen until the tragic events of graeme for the number of fires take me to mystic fires and a number of deaths in far as steadily go down until. when we had graham fall we had been at all time. catastrophes like. the total numbers there are very much and any number of deaths is are all much smaller and the keep it to remember is that we had throughout that period had exactly those type of regulations in place but as usual when we get

a really catastrophic issue like this one i suspect the inquiry we're not going to prejudge the inquiry unlike chris is likely to say there's a number of factors that come together around this i simply just simplicity to say it's all down to near zero liberal the liberalisation is i think just too sweeping and what we actually need is to have the details i suspect you may find a number of failures here taken together and so we got to learn the lessons around how to prevent those some believe the tide is turning on the day when this is going excuse things by saying experts told us this so we've abrogated our responsibility it's the experts all the time do you think it's the government's job to ensure safety oh absolutely but nobody results from that but when you draw up the detail regulations around things better fire safety regulations also building regulations absolutely right that you act upon the best very often experts scientific advice and also off the open the best firefighting advice now technology moves all new

products come on the market and so you do have to be regularly updating that but again that's why i had to make a sweeping accusation like that is easy and accurate we've got to think in terms not just of the particular construction regulations. was there enough taken to take onboard this particular combination of products that seem to be unused in the fighting but also things not just wood or regulations right but were actually being properly enforced as well local for example having a regulation about fire doors if the doors as he suggested in on some floors here were being propped open that's what we need to have the inquiry to get to the hard evidence about before we come to conclusions david amos just told me the other day the head of your body by a mentor group on fire safety said the review could have saved the lives it may have done but we can't be certain of that either in trees because for example davies particular concern i know has been around sprinklers now sprinklers can work in some circumstances but the advice that i have been as

a minister from the professional firefighters was a huge wording there when you said suggestions of the government is putting fires if you'd risk in tall buildings by potentially removing provisions with sprinklers are factually wrong absolute right because you were against sprinklers no what was it was we removing provisions for straight as we are not never had done so i think that's completely twisted around here away with it was reset what we had said the advice was that sprinklers can play a part but they are the only party and that i think we will find when we look at the details remains the case and now the details of that review i can't speak to us i've left government by that time i was the minister at the time of the back of our house in quest when it was set out and i ensure that our far advisors gave evidence of that inquiry made all the detail of the you think it was a conclusion i think in our house conclusions were poor proportion because they said that there were a number of sprinters can play a role and the government my successor as minister that successor wrote to all the housing providers very specifically drawing attention to that now sprinkling will

resume the chief of staff stands charged with not acting on that very report that you're talking about what i'm sure that you were there was a lot of work that went on after that so again that's compressing. a number of events the other bit to remember is this a lot of shows that sprinters can be helpful under certain circumstances but they're not the whole picture but of course it is austerity presumably which made the government sack thousands of prison officers when it comes to justice presume we hear about it all the time when you're just a select committee do you do now recognize that that kind of cutting was wrong at least i'm on record as saying that drinks are screening. at republic up to fall we had come into government with a massive deficit i don't quite understand really was to pay off the loss of the city of london that thousands of prison officers. that they had a prison officers association said on this program you know it's only a matter of time before one of them down there that makes a completely massive and wrong assumption if you know i'm

a saying to the city of london that all the disastrous economic policies of the brown government that got us into this mess the massive that was a public borrowing that is being run up that we are paying more debt interest than we were on the whole service for example so that was what was wrong of a train journey or a crash the crash was not the cause of the bad brown policies they were already in place the lady worst of there but there were certainly make it easier but it's background policies that made it worse so they were going to be reductions but i'm the first to say that their doctors went too far given what the government didn't do as he has written he hoped to was also put in place measures to reduce the risk the prison population when you're either cut the prison population or you have to employ more officers that's part of that sounds like labor policy to what do you think about when jeremy corbyn the leader of you know western europe's largest search is what he's saying prison officers are right to reject the defacto pay cut off what are they got by the two percent rise which inflation running two point nine percent means you are slashing the wages of people in the justices where you

usually motive in inaccurate words not the case at all it's not dissing them yeah well let's be accurate so the increase is not as much as much as inflation so you might say in real terms at trade option let's put it in those terms because you know. the street keeps telling us oh no this is. the great thing we've stopped the pay gap what we have to wage is that it's a movie where we have to do what we have because the economic circumstances are beginning to stabilize that we have started to move away from some level of control people ought to welcome that because he got ahold of socialist and he decides she right to call it that he's not a social democrat he's a marxist socialist jeremy corbett so he of course would come from that point of view but i don't think that's responsible i think most prison officers do a good job i think they're entitled to an uplift in their wages as the economy continues to improve but we can do that more as well but he won't. the other hand he won't criticize the approach of some trade unions which would be very obstructive to workforce reform and i think because it's to show a bit of imagination that it gave management to ministers who got to show mention

nation around it was so that the prison service have to reckon unions have to recognise that reason movement may not be as much as you'd like. but let's try and build on that constructively the role that seeking to make them a confrontation out of it jeremy corbin seems to want to whip up thank you. well from privatized justice to public humiliation as we joined stand up comedian actor tom stayed in edinburgh scotland where he launched his new show i swear which stores across the u.k. until december here we are in a noisy gilded balloon theatre in edinburgh to talk to the comedian tom stayed you're going to be touring all this fall or autumn and winter with this show swear i swear under british broadcasting regulations what's the show about well. it started out i was trying to explain the way i punctuate words which. i swear. where in that way it's very much about it. because

it also what i'm trying to do is just sort of be a truthful comedian and say how it is without beating around the bush in. is a serious issue isn't it i mean when you were writing this show swear you absolutely sure you never thought in the back of your head to self sense of the chilling effect of censorship in devising a show like this oh that's too much because you'll get into trouble well i think ok now we're getting serious i think we're living in dangerous times my man my biggest worry is that we live in this name and shame culture so as soon as you have an opinion if it isn't the same as the majority's opinion all of a sudden you get this sort of feeling from from whoever whoever's there to name and shame you everybody's and allowed an opinion whether you like it or not this is this is how somebody else feels about

a certain subject he don't think tasteless joke some more a borat than selling arms to saudi arabia well. no i mean that is a very much it's already hard but the british authorities don't see it that way no no the problem is you've got a lot of anger in this world right now for me and you've got a lot of anger and and you may call it isis you may call it you may call it anything you want but to me it's just anger you know what i mean so to try and take the. cell and guns that the saudis or whatever and put some light on it and not take it too seriously you kind of get rid of that anger a little bit you know what i mean to make this world a bit of a better place and that's a that's pretty much the comedian's job is to sort of poke fun you know at the ridiculousness of it all because everybody knows what the right thing to do is we just don't do it you've co-written of course with frankie boyle and there are

serious problems that he got into and but by inference you go into do you think the. british authorities or british commissioning editors say on television programs we'll look at your comedy and go. you know him little and boy little don't know that they're too dangerous right now well they like you know they might do that you know that's that's another part of this they totally might do that but do you recognize that you know going to get all the royal variety show and do your comedy in front of royalty when you make jokes against the british military and against nature wars around the world lead yeah. well i mean that's that's something you should have met bishan it was exactly. that and that is a goal for some people so you know that's a goal for some people for me i just want to i just like to i don't really have too many goals the only goal i really have was to become a stand up comedian and then and then everything after that is pretty much gravy

whether it make it on a royal variety program cares you know what i mean but but i'm more concentrate just on the people that come to the show enjoy it and then come back and maybe one day i will make the variety show maybe they'll go that's the best that's the best nato joke we've ever heard for crying out loud meant for have a rather bad you know somebody thank you york was a canadian immigrant or maybe canadian migrants and i do regret that i've migrated over here another of a lot of people that i moved here i'm not a bird a lot of even the liberal media love your photogenic leader mr trudeau i mean i understand that he's allowed canada to exploit massive weaponry to saudi arabia. what do you think about mr trudeau's pull israel and saudi arabia to sell and just selling guns on its own you know just to kind of anybody is wrong first of all big

money and a lot of it canada and britain and yeah but if you're doing things for money things can get pretty evil now can't they tell you're not going to be selling guns until you get rid of guns and all that sort of stuff. this stuff is all going to go on so i guess if i was just and you know he's in the he's in a market place and he's probably as if somebody else doesn't sell him too well you know that kind of thing but i've never agreed with that selling guns to anybody but as if they're out there i mean that's the market for justin's probably go on. you know this can make is a little bit of money here guy giving more and more information about climate change and how quickly it's all happening isn't easy to write jokes about it or hot or i do have one nice joke on climate change and i disguise it but when we were talking about the saudi arabia how women aren't allowed to drive and all that sort of stuff and and in the comics mind you know that's

a horrible thing but i my you know you try and twist it around how did you go i think that's a fabulous idea because just purely for environmental reasons because you have sixty million people now the drive pollute the pollute the air you know it's all going to be playing saudi arabia. oh yeah i'm going to love it because i love me so i mean yeah of course any you can take on that topic for sure man and maybe it's actually important to take it on but i think i think there's probably better comedians to take on something like that than than a person like me i'd just like to i like the human condition more than i then i like topical things you know i like what's going on in here more than what's going on out there because what's going on out there changes but what's in here seems to be universal fundamental kind of thing you know say we're going to put all the details of you know big on our website thank you very much.

jonah stayed there speaking to me the edinburgh fringe and you can see it on stage touring right across britain right now but that's the end of the show and we'll be back on wednesday discussing chelsea manning donald trump and l g g i q plus rights . award winning drag queen bee at three del rio that's why social media will deal with the seventeen yesterday were welcome to talk a little bit ahead porches of britain's foreign secret service states. what politicians to do something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to. have to go on to be close to see what will befall us three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the cottage. first of

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guilty. hello welcome has just turned ten o'clock in the evening here in moscow you're watching r.t. international. now the u.s. president has made his first speech at the u.n. where he spoke about reforming the international body called for changes to the u.n. structure something he has long favored. in recent years the united nations has not reached its full potential because of bureaucracy and mismanagement while the united nations on a regular budget has increased by one hundred forty percent and its staff has more than doubled since two thousand and we are not seeing the results in line with this investment president tribe's a first speech to the u.n. was dedicated to u.n.

reform which he's been calling for for a long time now un ambassador nikki haley also spoke right after president tribe stating her support for the idea of spending cuts in fact she was the driving force behind a six hundred million dollar cut to the un peacekeeping budget this year donald trump has a businessman for seeing potential and he sees great potential not just in this reform movement but in the united nations itself trumps remarks seemed to contradict his earlier statements were you when considering he's never actually been happy with the body the united nations is not a friend of democracy it's not a friend to freedom it's not a friend even to the united states of america united states just one of one hundred ninety three countries in the un pays for twenty two percent of the budget we need

the member states to come together to eliminate integration c. and vote and to ensure that no one nation shoulders a disproportionate share of the very militarily or financially the united nations is a wonderful. place for the benefit of the world and such tremendous potential that we go up to its potential when you see the united nations so they don't because it's a waste of time even though trouble criticized us spending and bureaucracy he also stated that the u.n. is. changing under secretary general antonio terence this is interesting because in june this particular secretary general seemed to oppose any budget cuts saying that it would create an unsolvable problem when now it's clear that the u.n. is set to change but the question is will it work out with less funding. ok let's get the thoughts now about in gary he's the managing editor of duran dot

com website good evening to you adam what do you make of this then today because we're hearing from america that trump is looking at the u.n. like a business man is that a healthy thing to do you think. well not necessarily but there is some strange room for hope the last time i heard someone speak so passionately about an accredited revolution that would have been the supporters of the loss of each in yugoslavia in the late one nine hundred eighty s. now that you were quoted revolution contrary to the mainstream media myths was all about streamlining representation of various groups predominantly serbs in autonomy as regions of serbia now of course the west didn't like that very much and nato destroyed was left of yugoslavia in ninety nine so i don't think his anti bureaucratic revolution is going to be valid but if he really wanted to streamline the bureaucracy of the u.n. he could do something that many people have called for including many heads of

state and government for decades which is fusing the roles of the general assembly and the security council it's absurd that in the twenty first century you've got a select group of nations they can be vetoed by an even more select group of nations deciding on the most pressing of disuse of world affairs particularly world war and peace is concerned and to make matters even worse though of those five members three can outvote two because the coalition of the united states which it with its allies some would say dependence britain and france there's no. way that russia and china which tend to be aligned on many aspects of world affairs can never get a proper representative core of the except in the most extraordinary of circumstances but again it's sort of the trump tower version of the u.n. reform he simply wants to cut money are not i suppose one can wish him well but i don't think it's the right way to approach the more profound questions of peace

which to me balancing with the world against each other is a bit more important than balancing the budget. certainly take what you say there but on the face of it it has a lot of support doesn't it his sort of bid for reform i mean hundred thirty states have apparently signed up for a declaration on reforms is that a surprise given the arguments we often hear between member states at the un. not really because it's so vague the only thing a bit more vague than this of various climate change agreements which donald trump foolishly backed out of where he could have stayed in it and just ignored it like most world leaders do assuming one doesn't care about the environment and i'm not one to cause dispersions on but the things that are being proposed is so vague that there's really no use in not supporting it unless once one wants to stick out like a sore thumb so you've got a lot of signatures on the piece of paper but i doubt the piece of paper itself is worth very much a lot of people will be murmuring to what i just said in the corridors of the un

and it would be a bit of black backslapping and little else ok we'll wait to see what happens thanks adam that's adam gary managing editor of the durand dot com website thank you. now donald trump is expected to speak at the u.n. general assembly on tuesday but ahead of that washington did request a meeting with russia's top diplomat i will have the details of what was said a bit later on in the program. meanwhile u.k. police continue to withhold the identities of two suspects arrested in connection with last week's chub bombing earlier the city's mayor gave a summary of what we know so far although more information has come out in the british media. i've been to arrests a significant race for the police to continue their investigations are just at the site where the room where the people used to live with the rest of eight but you'd appreciate if you the suspects know charles she's yes despite a lot of the official information yet to be confirmed we have certainly seen the

press here in the u.k. really be of buzz with alleged details on potential suspects now certainly they've been focusing their attention on two men specifically one of them an unnamed eighteen year old man said to have been for all of iraq origin the media here in the u.k. have been reporting that this is a young man that had allegedly arrived to the u.k. when he was fifteen years old following the death of both of his parents back in iraq now they've been reporting that he was arrested on friday evening near the port of dover and they're claiming that he is according to them the key suspect in this whole terror related latest incident in the u.k. because they've been circulating images captured by c.c.t.v. cameras where a young man can be seen carrying a little bag which is a grocery store here and this is the exact same bag that was captured in images inside the carriage where this homemade device had partially detonated on friday

morning and the second young man is actually being named a second alleged suspect according to the media they are describing him as twenty one year old for rukh and according to them he was arrested on saturday evening outside a chicken shop in west london now the media here have said that they've tracked down what they're saying is his facebook page that says that he is from damascus syria that this was a person who had studied english in london and worked at events company here in the british capital and they have been saying that in the facebook page you can see that he lived somewhere near heathrow airport and that he had arrived in europe via egypt back in twenty third. there's also been lots of attention given to the foster care couple that are reportedly were having these two men in foster care at certain periods throughout their presence in the u.k. and there are lots of reports about the neighbors describing them as a beautiful couple they're reported to be seventy one years old they are said to

have fostered hundreds of children including migrants over a period of over the years there are reported to have been honored by the queen for their services in terms of helping children back in two thousand and nine and according to media reports here the neighbors are saying their god it there has been a some social media support page created for them so certainly lots of attention given to the personalities involved in this latest terror incident but more information get to come in terms of official statements as this investigation continues to sit in the reporting what we heard from anti-racist campaign a while human benefits and he believes it's important for the media not to with a patriot and division in society in the wake of the attempt. the hysteria is building up around past and scream does not contribute to a kind of unified society obviously all of us don't want to see such acts taking place inside the underground but we have to understand that as

a consequence even the people who are perhaps described as come from the background coming from different parts of the world one of the consequence is we live in a world which is rich with conflict with god be clear that we don't want muslims or the muslim community that has been here for hundreds of years to face the consequences of a racist backless which is really been taking place for the last twenty years and we would like to have balanced reporting on this and not the kind of moral panic that seems to be taken place in season parts of the media ok let's get thoughts now tom brooks a public policy expert in durham law school he joins us to talk about this a bit further good evening to you tom thanks for coming on firstly what you make then of the speculation as a paid in the british media particularly over the identity of these suspects. well that will confirm a lot of people's fears that there might be some people coming from. war torn

area that might come to britain and perform acts like this there's been a lot of speculation about that happening of course nothing has happened until the other day and it will really cause some alarm about whether there. should be anywhere else that people should be concerned about what more might be done and i agree with the comments of your last commentator about you know the need for calm and the need to avoid any kind of moral panic i suppose that people would argue the media just add to that panic saying they even though they're not necessarily doing anything wrong and i'm certain they've corroborated all the facts and figures that they put out but doing it at this stage so you see now after the taxi i mean it does pop up a steer it it doesn't. well it certainly will so you know on the one hand people coming here as refugees or is tourists are you are only have the amount of scrutiny that is you know there's

a limit to how much scrutiny can be given not everyone who has been in trouble at the border before is known to security forces before you have tens of millions of people come to britain every year as tourists in there can only be so many checks of them far fewer have come as seeking refugee status in this country and it's really sad heartbreaking to see this this terrible incident take place and to so i think there needs to be some perspective no doubt i think you know the be attempts to learn lessons from this and see how we can prevent other attacks but knowing that preventing everything is is just impossible in speaking to some people that today also come on to say they are faithful that could be actually a backlash now against genuine refugees who are now in the country trying to start a new life. i think there's a real worry about that that

a great number might be tarred by the actions of one or two people in a situation like this you know you have a lot of tensions were inflamed about immigration in general and about refugees in particular over the the brics it referendum debates and certainly long before that as well and i think the real issue now is unless the government makes some real appeal for calm and and acts i just fear that these things are going to going to continue as these events kind of confirm suspicions in some parts of the u.k. right wing press about you know what people should really be worried about this concern about refugees coming in and doing harm which of course other than this event just hasn't happened ok tell me we'll leave it there for now we've done at a time that's professor tom brooks at durham law school thanks. for. that has

been a third consecutive night of violence in the u.s. city of st louis after a former police officer was acquitted of murdering a black man sunday's demonstration started as a peaceful march but soon descended into rioting with property damaged and police officers assaulted more than eighty arrests were made. i was i. i. by nightfall the marches had turned into chaos protesters smashed windows and through trash cans offices there are also reports that police were attacked with unknown chemical on friday demonstrators vandalized the mayor's home anger in the city and swelling since a judge cleared former officer jason stokley of killing and smith back in twenty eleven.

all real or. a lot of anger there's a lot of frustration and there's a lot of people felt that he would go again we're not being heard and it's certainly important that they've got to change the narrative of violence is never justified on the circumstances even though people may say there was a mitigating factors in this case here but personally i don't think violent is acceptable particularly when as you say it you're harming your very own community. that's been undermined fruit or. joint military drills between russia and belarus are well

underway at the moment schools are very planes helicopters tanks and combat ships are involved in acting as defensive maneuvers the first stage of the exercise is simulated countering direct threats to better roofs and repelling foreign fighters .

for while the drills which do officially end on wednesday have led some western officials to express concern over what they see as a direct threat to european security with more his wrist on a much. but you can see right now because it's the day of the joint russian well that was merely treat exercise this process that's been put into place really my books etc all right. the joint exercises between russia and by the way haven't signed into invasion of europe so far as i can tell that's concert to some media expectations the hops the drills very sitting huge media attention long before they even start to rest in the fishless have been a little more resolved in that but just a little bit they're about to do an exercise in russia. that's going to tail up to

one hundred thousand russian troops moving into into that country the great concern is they're not going to leave and that's you know that's not paranoia that's active concern among among the countries the data from the russian that the russian ministry of defense suggests that's a total a phony thirteen thousand troops are going to participate and that's from both sides and the majority of them are from balad which by the way but in the eyes of washington and some european capitals the numbers could be ten or even twenty times higher something must go says it finds quote stunning. but let's now see what we've got here. would be m.p. to see the more than eyes the seventeenth see nothing new actually but these are the working horses of the russian army when russia's president vladimir putin

arrived in the leningrad region to observe the exercises the country's defense minister was all side of that and i hailed the trailers as being of the highest level and it's been mentioned earlier today these i pad exercises have seen some sensation as media reporting some outlets have even suggested they are prevailing to the invasion of eastern europe but we traveled to a latvian town near the russian border to find out what locals that do think about the likelihood of an incursion by most sky. i think this is all a joke nothing will happen i know that it's a draw america parasitically seriously of course everything will be all keep these russian drills are actually an answer to major drills in the baltics nulled guard no no everything's fine there's no negative information representatives are invited to russian so all the dangers are being exaggerated we've got a real double standard here russia and belarus are allies they are carrying out

these exercises they're very transparent there are international observers there and russia and belarus are both got very good reasons to be to be carrying out these military exercises the nato critics are being very hypocritical we're living in an orwellian kind of propaganda framework at the moment where the countries who have done the attacking of other countries the countries have pose a threat to world peace are pretending to be the countries under threat and but in actual fact it's russia which is acting here defensively with good cause because we've seen what nato has done in the destruction they've caused around the world. now russia and america's top diplomats have met at washington's request for the first time since relations plunged to what's been described as and the story post cold war low on new york correspondent khaled morton has more now on what they discussed. russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov and u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson held a meeting on the sidelines of the united nations general assembly now the meeting

was initiated by the american side the issues discussed specifically were syria and ukraine in syria there are accusations being leveled by the united states that u.s. backed rebel forces were directly attacked by russia now russia says that these rebel forces were not attacked that rather it was only ice still forces that were attacked but the area in question the issue is the city of darryl's or it's important to know that this is taking place as there have been breakthroughs in the negotiations and russia iran and turkey have actually reached a breakthrough a document has been released and deescalation zones are actually being a stablished in the country in the northwestern regions of syria in the province and elsewhere we're actually starting to see breakthroughs in deescalation zones in the country be a stablished as a result of the negotiations that are taking place in kazakstan between the three parties now it's also important to note that another issue that was discussed was

the issue of ukraine and of and rex tillerson discussed implementing the minsk agreement for peace and deescalation of tensions in ukraine there's been ongoing fighting in ukraine in the east in the donbass region and the u.s. secretary of state and the russian foreign minister did discuss the possibility of implementing the agreement and making sure there were no tension at least expose on the risks things the trump administration still actually wants to improve ties between russia and the u.s. despite all the pressure. with develop an suv see original syria reaching a sensitive phase particularly in that eastern region the close of the border with iraq i think that the americans thought that it was very important to focus on the fact that there should be no kind of collisions whatsoever i think it also points to the facts which is an important issue the trumpet illustration this by the congressional pressures that are you know despite the presence of anti russian

voices in the administration such as licky halley deal with similar sort of to your way to mr trump doesn't appear to have given up but it seems that misty on his efforts to improve the toys between the u.s. and russia although how much will be successful is something which is open for debate as well as well as well as the sideline talks between russia and the u.s. focus at the un general assembly this week is likely to be on the korean peninsula saying washington is in thing that is pretty much exhausted every diplomatic possibility jaclyn big expects. really sort of sounds like the military option is sort of becoming the frontrunner for them we've had the american ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley saying that she feels that the united nations security council has really already done all that they can when it comes to north korea and that she's really already prepared to hand off the crisis to the u.s.

secretary of defense adding that in that situation north korea would be quote destroyed and that's something we have coming from a diplomat i said yesterday i'm perfectly happy kicking this over to general mattis because he has plenty of military options if the united states has to defend itself or defend its allies in any way north korea will be destroyed and we all know that and none of us want that none of us want war so there we have haley saying she's happy to hand it over to mattis and not long ago we had he himself describing briefly what that would sort of look like what a military option with north korea would look like and very best words saying that the response would be both effective and overwhelming any threat to the united states george territories including. or allies will be met with a massive military response a responsible. and overwhelming we are not looking to the total annihilation of a country namely north korea but as i said we have many options to do show and in

the same light many remember all of the comments that we've had from trump himself fire and fury and whatnot and amid those threats that we've heard coming from the president he's repeated a number of times that talking with north korea just isn't going to be effective not really diplomatic words that we have coming from the president himself and on sunday trump also referred to the north korean leader as rocket man and the tweet comments that are unlikely to go without a response and it's worth noting that while some in the trumpet ministration are still hopeful for a diplomatic solution calling for it it does seem that the focus has sort of shifted from that as sort of like an afterthought and going more towards the looming military option. the co-founder of the national campaign to end the korean war thinks that the north north korea is ready for a diplomatic solution all day that's not something that washington is safe opera sent it to pyongyang it will not negotiate the nuclear weapons unless the u.s.

sends its hostile. policies toward the d.p. r. k. so consequently you've got two sides in a tug of war and that we're left with very little option other than considering fire and fury and in reality that shows not only a lack of creativity but arguably violates our commitments under international law as well the idea that in a tug of war you have to let go of one end to the rogues you have to have the courage to do that and then use creative aspects of conflict resolution to get the job done you watching us say thanks for being with us this evening will have and how often.

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syrian government pushes to finally end the war washington again calls for regime change also the media war regarding north korea and the so-called russia. talking just some facts i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have a row he is the founder of the center of political strategic. analysis drop poll and we have dimitri which is a political analyst with sputnik international all right gentlemen as always crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it first i'd like to talk about the tantalizing piece if i can say in the new york times our team sputnik and russia's new theory of war how the kremlin built one of the most powerful information weapons of the twenty first century and why it may be impossible to use. sounds like the opening of

a twilight zone episode mark i read the entire article it's a big investment in time. i don't really know what he was trying to say well i mean i think some of it i think it's pretty clear that. because of its counter narrative approach to what liberal mainstream pro-american publications like the new york times put out there is no greater threat to russian civilization then well you peter i mean are you know already yeah to me as well oh if they're watching you you're you're part of the problem too you're right we're all guilty here and this is standard in full war screed. it was not standard because it's quite exhaustive it is twenty four pages long i printed out print printed out print it out it's twenty four pages

long it's it's it's quite amazing. as the headline as you pointed out our teaspoon nick in russia's new theory of war basically doing back to the western mainstream media what they've been doing to run a. new theory of war demon. is saying something different is that a new theory of war please note that the russian never says what war first it's always that west you know in ukraine would have war with russia you know in information week of war with russia well the point is that the divides the history of. the good one before two thousand and nine two thousand that and the bad one which is now. and the author jim rutenberg break i think we're going there the whole time i didn't know it was a good or bad he has praise for the period when we trim and vegetables and paul and

what were seen as. the russian media for foreign audiences who hired professionals from b.b.c. and radio. europe well jim rutenberg if you read the american press forward at that time you will see that american press then called in reagan always to do what with the russian government and most peaceful put him all the bad warts that you are now using forty so maybe in a few years i'm sure he's going to have a few words of praise for us and and the game he will find in are going to a perfect example of projecting your values onto a foreign planet of completion of his what mistakes did he find in that. story of a girl of russian origin even in germany who first said that she was raped then she and this is a story that originated with german media local media was picked up by a russian language television network and they believe mistakenly picked up their story ok yes in january two thousand and sixteen which means almost two years ago

they quit and find a better accusation against us well the mass destruction in iraq war you know was largely so you would see in new hampshire that's all you got ok that's what you got . there isn't an important point that there is no more difference between the peace time in the water line it's a good the united states and the worst are always a poor it's completely new because even during the cold war you have some you have the cold war but it was the cold war you have the second world war and though we are without poor and it's a. drugs war on terror it's own words so what's really interesting to me is that i've been here for the entire history of this television station and i would say the first time we made an impression was during this crisis of two thousand and eight people started to tune in and then it was really the so-called arab spring like all of the sunni winter we had a different narrative and then it you sort of ukraine in syria and we presented

a narrative about those conflicts right there it was starkly stark. different and this is what really really angers them the freedom of speech in the west is a complete illusion and you know i saw in france and depending on the current us contending the opening of all tea in french and so i mean this should be in december i think and there's a real panic because they're going to last tense you're in france you have only one idea in on all the tunnels and during the last campaign it all different it's all the private one we're supporting and. and so just the idea of having it and there's a tentative. we are not going to support the mode macor for instance even if. you want to put any nobody in and it's a panic. this clearly don't want any competition they don't want their monopoly to

be broken but i think the timing of this is interesting i know a little bit of the background story of this is that this was an article that was in the in the making for a while from what i understand stan but its publication now the illegal seizure of russian properties in the united states and assault on the consulate in san francisco and other things is there a pattern you know mark in what to expect here i mean it also comes of the same time as is that they are pushing our t.v. and sputnik the f.b.i. and congressional investigations are pushing russian media to register under the foreign agent registration which is a very slippery slope media as foreign agents. of course will be a media only met in russia by dentical critics in the west have long critiqued russia's foreign agent registration act which if you don't it was quote has not

made already a media which is a copy of us now they're using this politically and they they have no problem with me let me know just please when rashi. introduced oh foreign agents registration act the western side said but it's not used any longer in the united states so no use for a pack in israel that's for sure knowledge that we're going to use it more excited arabia and we'll see how it works and i can assure you that. times will continue in france in some days because usually when they start to complain again it could be any. interest you have to it to. be a week and it would start in front. to protect the public spirit quote unquote by the powers that be i see there is a pattern here i see this. in meddling which have not been proven at all no no ok and not at all. the starting of saying sions taking

a property in the united states now this campaign against our team sputnik i have i think of one individual very often julian assange because if you have embassies that are being violated under international law. he could be told picked him to the same procedures in attacks of the united states is done and it's always the same the us were getting the ok so assault is a debut so everything is a lot against it what you're talking deviance you're talking questioning. the new york times and represent. decisions is that that's that is they have big problem with our question more it drives them to question how dare we question what they say how dare we quit because we saw there. it was in my service in the u.s. military that made me question more the u.s. government sorry guys but you know we do question more if we look at this or we

look at this twenty four page screen there is one important paragraph in it this is the. they work the headline is about russia's new theory of war the media and everything page eighteen out of twenty four sixty five paragraphs in we have this in the lightning paragraph and our tease coverage of trump has not been wholly uncritical chris hedges the former times times correspondent said trump had a penchant for lying and deception and manipulation and edge schultz pleaded with his guests who's going to stop donald trump i did show called they don't need to maintain the same any oh yes many times right but even though the classified intelligence assessments seem to the struggle what exactly made the russian out flutes influence on the election so nothing arius it described sputnik is sitting

at the center of a sprawling social media network all my friends on facebook that included third party intermediaries and paid social media users or trolls but it provided no detail about how that might have and i would point out to everyone watching if you want to blame me you can blame me i gave donald trump the benefit of the doubt because i agreed what he had to say about foreign policy which he has thrown to the wayside but if you want to blame someone at our team for electing donald trump you can blame me because i'm the only one who gave him a fair shot r.t. america very liberal and progressive ok go ahead you well i think salvia raised a very interesting issue in no way that the us propaganda machine be damaging certain people where there is a great american no vote it would be did you know my cane even looks like up to not goodly not to moby dick you know which is russia and and and and we just recently

had the great story you know down the road try to break convince them eric in public that it would deal with jordan us on which we could. exchanged missed out of hand by the cia exactly in exchange for show you know us giving us proof that he didn't have his information from russians that reminds me of from you remember eight starbuck dating him captain mike let's return to common sense let's return to the shows we don't want to die but one has to go off to that moby dick so this is the story with whit with this is what i think the crosstalk as a demon always brings in the literary angle here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on just facts.

the international community continues lee emphasize about one theoretical united iraq this as a slogan maybe an approach to the politicians but the reality on the ground in iraq is not one and we recognize united and that we as kurds are not the ones to be blamed school what is happening in the rest of iraq and the direct wrong directions that iraq has gone through. one else seemed wrong. but also just don't call. me. yet to say proud to stay active. and engaged equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

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discussing just facts. ok gentlemen let's switch gears here let's look at a look at the north korean story here i'm holding here a an article from antiwar dot com which i encourage everyone to read a gallup poll u.s. majority backs attacking north korea most don't believe the u.s. attack will happen in the next six months. i took interest in this example go to you is the media establishment is it it again. oh it's. just about to come about that tour and that kind of guy is a war and in my opinion you know when you use to us to people where. i don't know we're. not in korea i'm not sure they can find where is it but they know that it's a three and that's what. it's worth. so

this is this is the you know we have. discuss his program the danger of the r t but you know it's the it's new york times it's the washington post and they're the danger here they are the danger because they are the drum drums of war and they follow the message they get from the state department from the intelligence community from the deep state you know you can't neglect c.n.n. and fox you know the big networks and this sure they're all pushing they love war because it brings them profits right and the hype to war i don't think at least in the short term there is going to be any military action in north korea i think the u.s. is just going to have to accept that north korea now has a strategic deterrent unless they negotiate their way out of it which will mean compromise which they're so loath to do. simply because north korea has far too strong a conventional deterrent seoul in the way of over artillery pieces on the other

side of the d.n.a. and at the end of the day they have a so-called ally with china will not allow the regime to me the most important thing about this poll numbers take a slightly different stance we see that number has increased from forty seven percent in two thousand and three who want military action against or or were willing to accept it to fifty eight percent now but. partisan divide you have eighty two percent of republicans now backing the war whereas thirty seven percent of the democrats back in the war if we go back to a conflict like libya. or any of other obama's military actions we would have seen reversed numbers americans are so partisanly blindly divided that as long as their candidate is leading the country to war they will back of the war but with those numbers that you see democrats protesting against any of it well i don't know what happened to the anti-war movement but you know mark is right here it's very

interesting because. we presumably trump supporters they want something something must be done we've heard before here you know this is putting he's putting himself not only into a strategic corners but himself into a media corner is well ok we don't have time to talk about daca and immigration reform but it looks like he's led or be interested apparently clipped my base down again ok and he's getting stuck with this north korean thing that has been turned into a media hype story well you are right they think they have defeated himself when he didn't resist your with your war to stop when he allowed basically you know he's age to be to be fired all of them anti-war people you know if you really mean he will start giving up my from the get go absolutely and we have another example i think a positive one rand paul you know congressman from kentucky made this speech when he asked the question you know we're starving seven can median yemenis you know are

there on the brink of starvation there is and i would break off what what will they give me is think if you years. suggest all of our viewers to go to youtube to look at that speech on the floor of congress it's a brilliant speech specifically on the renewal of the use of the a you m.-f. the. continuing resolution since two thousand and one updated in two thousand and three has been used to justify military action u.s. military action all around the world on the orders of the executive without any congressional approval of versailles on the grounds that it's against al-qaeda or against terror and this is the forever when isis didn't even exist when when he was there when he came into so we would not agree with the libertarian rand paul and everything but he deserves credit for this which everyone should know and i think this speech is also relevant for north korea because rand paul was talking about

seventeen media in yemen just starting well because of the new sanctions which presuppose not just their arrest ships carrying weapons to north korea but also their raft of ships carrying fuel to north korea they're going to freeze twenty five million people in north korea this winter when it would not going to save albright say about something like that when it came to children in iraq ok i just was this is what. it was when i thought it that's what she said a gentleman nikki haley again i'm absolutely convinced that she has advanced degrees in hillbilly studies absolutely convinced of it not satisfied not satisfied i'm reading from an art now i'm satisfied till aside u.s. pushes for regime change as war in syria winds down so the u.s. and nikki haley are not satisfied everyone we all know the words. no no no no no no no no no rolling stone will have to pay some kind of a copyright but i do wish we can cut and ok it was

a good point because they tend to weather the meaning of the advisory opinion and then you are interesting it's exactly the same in france because it was told that we don't need any more. any. new or ministry of foreign affairs going to the hill told. i don't remember the country and there are newspaper. we need a said that couldn't be part of the transition but what they want school to get is the last this is the first visit on form to which is not so friendly and went through this over the last three do you want compromise exactly words which were told they don't know because if they compromise they see compromise as weakness ok yes and that's. that is a political to the internet because we're sure they're going to deal you can compromise you have to destroy him completely because the same so that they view the show has during the last six years and so we must be destroyed there is no television shows illegally because the west was wrong in everything that it's done

in syria they have to have assad gone to justify there was a lot more ridhima well i think it's what's need to be called that and for i just love it when i'm going to be satisfied until we see a strong and stable syria and that is not with the police so we're. going to stand a libya syria one other one and we want to throw in there some ali you know yemen syria and his father was not a perfect place but can anyone say that it was not stronger that it was not more stable than it is now when you know when that controlled by the friends of the united states rand paul i think was right when he basically said in his speech that we were on the same side with isis in syria i think times in place and actually you know in my opinion it would have some consequences on the rest of the u.s. but it to can the world because they lost in georgia you know sitter lost with assad. in libya russia will be a part of the solution and there was you know. victory in ukraine exactly in my

opinion in ukraine within maybe two years it will be you more or less or maybe it will be you know it's a little bit earlier but. you're far more optimistic at the. top of the question is what the us are going to do further because it usually is a cunt promise the poor to any kind of terrorism sure i'm sure gangsters in. the world and they give the poor it what happened in kosovo for instance they give they could have. been in a no the can do that's a promise the pope worked with the opposition in syria for instance and some very close people to us that they left they left to paris their lives to work on camera close to langley. they were sure they would there would be a president and minister in the in some months is a lower there would be an interesting in the very life it was even more than not on one side he had just set the bar with ukraine i was a pessimist until saakashvili got back they a few days ago these days kelly mess up everything explained who is go ahead

saakashvili is the former georgian president who was hired by does hold a share of the hold of georgia. and while it was here george you know therefore i don't know for embarrassment here you are our biggest political prisoner some of them are used to deal with ukrainian citizenship by the great democrat president poroshenko he was a point that the governor about their son after fifty people were killed there prone to live finale nationalists which other corruption and and later they can take charge of corruption and when secretary was are brought what i brought but our shank or st keep him off he has ukrainian citizenship that great democrat who of course will never agree to bring your strip in sorest top of each or they were seated at your right and now. by chance with their parents of the biggest greenie and factions from the bottom and illegally cross the border back to your green and some call he is now growing into the main overtone and you have to push

a force to his way back in after him of some right wing ultra nationalists absolute conclusion conclusion i was a pessimist i saw it at last for many years now that sort of saakashvili is because these guy can mess up things into our worse we know it will take is that what i really don't understand is that i thought saakashvili was going to be groomed to run venezuela after the forced regime chain. yeah i thought it was your learning say that i think that was your friend's name and you know i guess it is a part of the international elite who was built by the us you know to to to to go in power in all the countries are going to want to try to control you know you're going so he says it was a poll fake politician that's yet to be this is also a fake politician and it was interesting when he was you know this. is a vice governor was a young girl he was a. gator so you know you got a man behind the door so it was there are you are you have such a you know

a police elite were able to lead any country you want to give them ok after the ukraine it would be as you say maybe even israel and after they can go back you know i'd only been friends you know maybe you know there are the you know it's not such as it's going to criticise him thanks to saakashvili. streep the russian citizenship so that and saved us from a lot of trouble so don't blame your base i can't really talk is really is the right dime a dozen he's a typical neo con neo liberal he's one of mccain's proteges clients the strong man he well you know by the night however is going to take on his his story there jake. trapper just loves john mccain you know mimics anything else to say i bet he's going to be a big supporter of president is the problem with the ukraine is a bow to get losers of course from russia i think and i had you know i was you know generally really going to happen is to run out of time but as part of the program

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