we speak to iconic british photographer terry o'neill about sixty is it being behind the lens of award winning cinema groundbreaking music and a chapter in politics goes the more coming up in today's going underground but first today marks the start of britain's labor party conference in brighton in the south of england but what has the u.k. labor party stood for until jeremy corbyn was elected twice to lead what is now europe's biggest political party well internationally labor is known for the rhetoric of this man but get the party no more buses buses work because we are on the same side the same team britain united will we but to many some may i ask was labor not always on the side of the bosses except maybe for a bit after nine hundred forty five and when this man was trying to turn the tide of neo liberalism in the party can i ask you how you think you did. rather it's not about that and you're correct if you make it about that what we're talking about today is the rebirth of hope people if this country wants to change

no power on earth will stop it and until it wants to change whoever's leader much about it so it's absolutely irrelevant what we've got to give people in britain is hope and it comes down from the top could have been down in moving by matches by people actually to get in but ben and his wing would be all but destroyed by the u.k.'s military media industrial complex is it to remind us a b.b.c. journalist who would be reprimanded by the u.k. broke us regulate of a bias against germany corben interviewed former labor chancellor dead his healey before he died to remind us of the evils of the left was he talks to the labor party. but what was most damaging was that the real core. of course he knew nothing about the issues. but they do share your. argumentation hearing people in the same party being rude

to one another and with his fault. but jeremy corbyn is leading labor today watch out there for traces of labour's neo liberal past and their character assassination he's a good and decent man so was it hard he's a good i mean decent man but he's not a leader and i just don't think you should share platforms with people who perceive abuse obviously there's no basis on which jeremy really could or should stay. my party it's my party i never could no longer lead to a labor party to my own family you wouldn't want to go and you wouldn't come to him which. i don't think he's a fit be a job that he did was gee i mean and i know in fairness i don't think he's going to be asked but what about all the new liberals in the labor party and for that matter what about all the former tory and double democrat politicians along with their civil servants how come they so often land on their feet joining me now is

professor david miller editor of power base and co-founder of spin watch president miller thanks for coming back on the show it was the former prime minister david cameron who said that being was the next big scandal waiting to happen after obviously the u.k. politicians expenses corruption case. houses lobbying act twenty fourteen doing how's it doing well it was which was intended to quash the idea that we could have any transparency of lobbying the tour was only introduced because the with them said insisted on it in a coalition agreement and when they put it into place to make sure that it secured the least possible transparency and did the most to try and hammer the trade unions and civil society and charities and try and stop them campaigning because there are huge only partially correctly as being against the tories but right now we have critical bricks of negotiations going on even minister right now in the days of may's cabinet meets a low beast in

a restaurant bar near westminster they have to they have to admit it surely that's progress. well they had to admit it before there was already disclosure of ministerial meetings and minute meetings with a permanent secretary but that's the different the difficulty isn't it lovely it's doing just meet boris or the permanent secretary of the home office to push their points although they do do that but they also meet a whole host of other civil servants and special advisers and think tankers and none of us included so we see according to the lobbyists themselves maybe two percent of lobbying meetings in westminster and we hold maybe less than that we i mean it's a joke we don't see any disclosure on what they're lobbying and how much money they're spending if we're lucky we'll get the clients for which the specific minister or permanent secretary and that is just worse than from the pathetic system we had before so it was an attempt to try and squash this by putting on the

stud you pick something which wouldn't tell us anything but you know to be fair in the end the result is that we have. a civil servant now who is in charge of lobbying transparency lovings are and the framework which could be built on her part is a limited she doesn't have enough resources the law she has to force isn't adequate but we have something on the statute now which we didn't have before and that's both the concrete existence of the that will be in office and also the acceptance of the principle that loving disclosure should be legally required as opposed to something which is voluntary for the libya so there's a lot of steps forward but the concrete the actual feeling of the loving register with the information is pathetic well to mix my metaphors a little do you think the revolving door of former labor liberal democrat and labor bullet tory politicians who then go into big business that revolving door somehow illuminates the lobbying you're talking off well yes of course it does mean that

this is one of the key issues that we've faced with lobbying i mean let's not think that it will be transparent. in the lobbyists meeting the ministers and whether we can find out about that but let's also think about what kinds of routes into parliament into westminster and why hold to the corporations and they have sin by simply employing x. ministers makes labor ministers a liberal democrats x. tories. there's no real regulation of a toll is the only regulation we have for ministers and civil servants is. the key word in the title of a kobo is the first letter the advisory committee of business appointments is a committee with no power which ministers can ignore it will which in any case is faithfully. conflicted with its own conflicts of interest the people who are stuff a coup what the ex ministers who run a cobra have their own call this winter and there's no real motive there to to

think of eliminating a mining conflict of interest which is the point that what they do is they say well you mustn't be a bad person a nice speech that your new clients for six months and as if that means that you've eliminated the problem of corruption. yeah i mean even the murdoch times in the past few days is a real forty nine at least forty nine senior white all officials of private consultancies they were naming military education foreign government link linked investment funds what else could we actually say well could you do it spin would as you find out what they're doing because apart from that times report the times couldn't then say right and we bugged the meeting room well that of course. there's something to be said before we say what we do about it is to try to appreciate the full scale of the problem in that this is not just a problem of what whole and westminster it's a problem across the whole of our society problem innovation to the regulation of

the press of the police of education and regulation of all of our society is beset by this problem of the revolving door of business and powerful interest being able to buy up people so the in the end will not be critical or probably exercise their regulatory functions and that's a problem we face across the western world and the biggest banks across the world have bought into the regular three. four days and in every single european country for example and in this country to people who run the regulatory agencies are all explained because if you could you could trust exploiting because to properly regulate the banks it's an absolute joke so the whole system is corrupt and not fit for purpose and when you we hear a news story about britain doing some more fracking or the privatization of education through academies or or selling weapons to dictators i mean we hear these debates on mainstream media television news behind it is that well because of what's being hidden the the meetings. yes of course i mean i mean i mean you. think

the help of the police and the police is regulated by the i.p.c.c. a body which seems to favor employing x. police officers to investigate the police because they're supposed to know something about policing well you know if you want to know what police corruption is all about then you the first thing you do is you can do employ police to investigate the first thing you do if you want to regulate the press you do employ newspaper editors to regulate the newspaper industry that's a job for the stories only keep e m g officials stuffing regulatory bodies and these are you know this it's nice to switch to private but this is across the whole of our system and you need to think about ways in which you regularly industries government central government by by regulatory bodies which are independent means really independent of the independent budgets to improperly investigate and have the will to properly investigate powerful institutions in our country this is the

case b.m.g. story which in two h. was because the regulator found that nothing untoward happened. twenty billion ok but i mean we're trying to recruit people of the low being industry graduates watching this program but is it a golden age for these industries right now after the repeal bill in the so-called honor the eighth. laws that raise them is brought in because of bricks and people can now meet around the corner from this studio and try and get their little piece of legislation has it and let's not fool ourselves so long golden age i mean. the golden age started with a single european act. started to flock to brussels there were hardly any lobbyists in brussels before the single european act and maastricht and now there are photos and thousands of them. this was not a haven remains a haven for corporate lobbyist in particular lobbies for transnational corporations . a new gold. age with blacks it seems to me to be misplaced what we're talking

about isn't it tamed through the nation process and probably contradictorily through the bricks that process for particular businesses to grab power or influence and money we could do all the interviews about say the law being called a food and pharmaceuticals and we could as long as we have the money for the for all the lawyers we need a give lee but greenfeld tower that tragedy became a good grab the magic of neo liberalism over the summer killing more than eighty people do you think little being may surround the grenfell inquiry into why eighty people more than eighty people have died well there will be people who are involved in relation to the choir trying to defend their interests of course the world and if we think that if we think that the people who are involved who are responsible for the info are going to sit back and say. i'm guilty then you know let's let's remember what power does what it's for challenge sometimes those inquiries can get

to the truth and or get close to the truth we've seen some examples of that bloody sunday in quiet sort of course the truth. going to quite some time so but our society seems to be unable to take any practical measures to deal with the truth when those inquiries are finished president miller thank you after the break when ziggy played the key with one of the twentieth century's greatest photographers terry o'neill told a simple coming up about dual going underground. level blog selling you on the idea that dropping bombs brings peace to the chicken hawks wants you to fight the battle. for new socks by to tell you that because of the template. i've been telling you on the whole and.

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welcome back has morgan freeman declared war on russia we have been attacked we are. in a two minute video produced by the committee to investigate russia the academy award winning actor calls on u.s. president donald trump to come clean with the american people about defacto kremlin attempts to take over the world the russian government has suggested that freeman has been tricked into using his celebrity and did not have information about actual state affairs and what some people are suggesting is revamped mccarthyites propaganda of the nineteen fifties next guest is arguably more experience of west. nation celebrity culture than perhaps any other person alive terry o'neill has photographed a who's who of the twentieth century from laurence olivier to winston churchill to mamma dolly to kate moss his latest project is a book and exhibition called when ziggy played the marquee about the final concerts of the start of the store the late david bowie we caught up with him at london's

run some gallery where iconic photos of just fade done away winning an oscar for satire on us television news and robert redford sitting together with nixon's cia boss adorn the walls. i never had need lessons to be a patrol for i just picked it up i saw a star of chalk but never look back. i just show them how i see them you know that's the secret of my photography i think showed people how they really are. and there's nobody i want to shoot to be and so the whole world has changed and it almost seems they all seem fake you know all the politicians in their life actors playing a role. all the people i met my life they're all great every no. you know they never i just thought people.

terry i thought david bowie retired ziggy stardust in june in the house with odio in london the marquee where he did see or somebody wanted to film it so they did one special show at the marquee club in. and so he did it that was actually the last time he actually performed it because everyone knows that film really rules with and this was the last what do you like or you read us one well the manager which is shop manager he you could photographers around get some good results. may boeing himself was a very interesting guy i mean i actually didn't like you saying oh chris i'm a jazz man but you cannot move so we're all you know it was interesting in that way. and he was you really never changed the whole time when you have over forty fifty years he was the same guy in the beginning is he was it in because

you're. a frustrated jazz drummer yeah that's what you wanted to be yes that's right photography was a secondary thing yeah. he. crossed the sound in a one and people crying coming in saying goodbye and all this record tossed up i'm not took a show of a guy in a pinstripe suit for want to sleep amongst a load of african chieftains and it turned out to be rad there are no reports of so many sent the film up to a jury have a secretary yeah yes and they sent the picture to is. and then suddenly they said i love the work on the film i'd love you to come to be a saturday then i got taken on by the sketch which was a tabloid paper like opposition to the daily mirror and our member going up there

on the first night it too said because not only journey year at i didn't really know what i was doing. everyone was using thirty five millimeter no no they weren't nobody was so how did you call it was the only camera i had. for select camera. anyway when i got the pipe of time so. i pictured said to me of taking you on. you're a musician which i'm really interesting because i think pop music is going to be big in the sixty's and we want someone young new can talk to them he said all of the photographer simply. own own woodsy there's nobody my tours only twenty so i said well i don't know what i'm doing he said don't worry i'll look after and he says he said first job she said to maurice i want to go down or abbey road photograph or group this group down they called the bait was in there making

a record called please please me so they sent me down there and i took this picture barry amateurish picture the woods and you what you have to remember there were any groups before the sixty's this was the first so i just improvised whatever i thought i took about the studio in the backyard there and had ringgold in the symbol i mean it was a joke. and anyway the picture published in the phone rang the next day and it was andrew oldham from the stand saying on the stones manager would you like to photograph the brawling stones and do what you did for the plate was because to get pictures of pop groups in newspapers was lying heard of those days i mean just didn't happen anywhere i did them they did a double page spread a meme and i was off and running and it was less managed obviously than these days were now it's a waste of time and there's nobody i want to photograph today anyway to be honest

there's no i mean amy winehouse was the last one with any real talent and i wear the frank sinatra's de mountains and sammy davis is our it would just disappear. i think is the why you were brought up now hard to work things is all you know now go on x. factor and i have a you know it's a joke actually. well there's one amazing picture you took a role redford on the sets of i think three days of the call and you know that it's a cia conspiracy movie he's with nixon's cia books richard helms well we used to tease me that you prescribe me with this richard helms and he said he's going to come down on the set one day mobile revenue sharing it. you go to work it out years anyway. and. then you want to came to see him and it turned out to be this guy you know the long lens on

that yeah you know those words because i mean i didn't want to offend him. it's very important the people the pictures i mean the paper or see a brood for togaf ok but this is richard helms a plan to assassinate fidel castro infamous well the range the assassination of the city. but why if it was politics in the conservative home secretary that that made you know started you off by base that by accident did you do celebrity well i did a newspaper did i mean they said they want to be photographed all these pop groups and only people coming up and so that's. actually what i started to learn about my great idea which eugene smith who is a great photo journalist now used to shoot came you know just natural eugene smith someone who was in good weather because mentally had mental health issues because he was the sort of focus was

a. brilliant job that's the one who you know because he always copy somebody trying to copy him you know so that's how the pain is so i got it out. style to doing personalities if you like your name is in maybe you don't know the alice to campbell's diaries going to relay as and. really they're planning the iraq war and they say on april twenty ninth two thousand and two. terry o'neill is here to take a peek at number ten downing street to take pictures. do you remember that as i'd ship the queen and the know the prime minister she was still around at the time which was two minutes to shoot couple of pictures because really didn't know i was in them must read that. but surely do they don't realise they've got terry neal to do the phone and they're going to give him time to. know it would be queen

around. the queen's star you without your photograph is clearly. trying to humanize or well yeah exactly i needed to try to make it seem more family you know not that she was manly but she just needed itself to read each done about four or five prime ministers in my time and that access to them and i still don't. you know there's no. great english politician but you know they you couldn't figure out why they. go where they go one of the most iconic images arguably of the twentieth century one of the greatest photographs is your photograph of your ex-wife you know. in the beverly hall right up yes. just tell me a little while i was shooting. people magazine and because they always

did the one they thought was going to win and took a chance on the following weight and cheering this you know week of what i spoke with you know a city of got an idea for a picture because nobody really knows the real effect because when somebody wins the oscar when the football pools but big time you know the money goes up from fifty thousand to five million and they get off every script gallery and on scene the people are next day and they're in a store would you state and i wanted to capture that in the picture so explain what the picture was. said if you come down to. the beverly hills hotel because you take pictures. at six thirty and i'll set up this picture our see it and you just sit in for a couple minutes just shoot this picture you said all the newspapers

a day and i was lucky because of the soaps french you know they game an oscar because he died everything so. it all worked out really well and that's become really famous hollywood picture though the difference it was in the film with regular cool network brilliant film satirizing the t.v. news industry never become more true than today you wrote that not to put. before the movie took him twenty years to get it money but amazed then the it's obviously united side seems to predict the rise of the yes rope. don't trump as a man. we would like to photograph him well yes and no i don't really see kennedy now actually i actually shot kennedy but the neck would all just photograph of the photograph yes. i wouldn't mind doing trumpet east no

wouldn't be top of my list you know. what can he do with me is who he is. you know you you know i'm far more interested in say doing putin because i think putin is quite a politician you know. would you could have a man so you know. thank you thank you. terry o'neill there is a book when ziggy played the bach he is out now and you can go and see his photos at the run some gallery in london or if you're in beverly hills is bowie photos will be on view at the movie and that's it for this show with you on wednesday with the leader of what just socialist party generally cool with his vision for a radical britain of the u.k. labor party conference keep in touch with us which we will see on wednesday fifty five years to the day revolutionaries overthrew king the little bugger the nation

of yemen being bombed by u.k. but the king eventually but to the southeast of england that. morphs into a neo con well that didn't take long also the world disorder after the united nations general assembly speeches and as morgan freeman paid russia so much. the reason why north korea is trying to develop the capability to. prevent japan and the united states from assisting south korea in case of contingencies because with. the missile capability is capable of attacking japan and the united states north korea can say the americans and japanese if.

you carry weapons. of mass kaiser or more of my guide to financial survival this is. a device used by prefer. still scallywags to earn money. that's right these hedge funds are simply not accountable and we're just getting more and more to them. totally destabilize the global economy you need to protect yourself and get in for a while because we're for. this then with the with me and. those get a little bit cooler than. most of them on you but i you. know both of them it was a bit of but i guess what kind of sign of this yes. he had dumped on

a handwritten note he refused to see. where the who he will get a specific good area for immigrants it's hit and miss we never really know for sure but this has been a active area. next to so on. yeah. you know what when i started no i. never. knew the number you know but it.

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