it was a lot. less. than a little. trump morphs into a neo con well that didn't take long also the world disorder after the united nations general assembly speeches and why does morgan freeman hate russia so much.

i'm after a time here we're going underground is today you. john mcdonnell addresses europe's largest socialist party at the labor party autumn dawn french coming up with a show that's called and takes on the playwrights of britain's labor party governs how come so many of them and their civil servants landed on their feet in jobs in big business we investigate westminster and whitehall revolving doors with spin watches david miller and from winston churchill to frank sinatra we speak british photographer terry o'neill about sixty years of being behind the lens of award winning cinema groundbreaking music and chattering politics. coming up in today's going underground but first today marks the start of britain's labor party conference in brighton in the south of england but what has the u.k. labor party stood for until jeremy corbyn was elected twice to lead what is now

europe's biggest political party well internationally labor is known for the rhetoric of this but get the party no more buses buses work because we are all on the same side the same team britain united will win but to many some may ask was labor not always on the side of the bosses except maybe for a bit after nine hundred forty five when this man was trying to turn the tide of neo liberalism in the party can i ask you how you think but. rather it's not about that and you're correct if you make it about that what we're talking about today is the rebirth of hope of people. who wants to know power on a will stop it and until it wants to change. much about it show it's absolutely irrelevant what we've got to give people in britain is hope and it comes down from the top. could have been down in moving him to buy matches by paid actually to get

it but ben and his wing would be all but destroyed by the u.k.'s military media industrial complex is it to remind us a b.b.c. journalist who would be reprimanded by the u.k. broke us regulate of a bias against germany corben interviewed former labor chancellor dead is healey before he died to remind us of the evils of the left was he talks sic to the labor party oh you are damaging to grass but what was most damaging was the division of course. because most people knew nothing about the issues we've gone but they do. they dislike you meant hearing people in the same party being rude to one another and with his fault. but jeremy corbyn is leading labor today watch out there for traces of labor's neo liberal past and their character assassination he's a good and decent man so was it hard he's

a good i mean decent man but he's not a leader and i just don't think you should share platforms with people who perceive . obviously there's no basis on which jeremy really could or should stay. it's not. my party it's my party i never could no longer leave their labor party to my own family you wouldn't because you wouldn't come to him which. i don't think he's if it be that he did with g i mean i know in fairness i don't think he's going to be asked but what about all the new liberals in the labor party and for that matter what about all the former tory and double democrat politicians along with their civil servants how come they so often land on their feet joining me now is professor david miller editor of power base and co-founder of spin watch president miller thanks for coming back on the show it was the former prime minister david cameron who said that being was the next big scandal waiting to happen after obviously the u.k. politicians expenses corruption case. houses lobbying act twenty four team doing

how's it doing well it was which was intended to quash the idea that we could have any transparency of lobbying the toll it was only introduced because there weren't any said insisted on it in a coalition agreement and when they put it into place they made sure that it secured the least possible transparency and did the most to try and hammer the trade unions and civil society and charities and try and stop them campaigning because they were if you'd only partially correctly as being against the tories but right now we have critical bricks of negotiations going on even minister right now in the days of may's cabinet meets a low beast in a restaurant bar near westminster they have to they have to admit it surely that's progress. well they had to admit it before there was already disclosure of ministerial meetings and minute meetings with the president secretary but that's the different the difficulty isn't it lovely it's don't just meet boris or the

permanent secretary of the home office to push their points although they do do that but they also meet a whole host of other civil servants and special advisers and think tankers and none of us included so we see according to the lobbyists themselves maybe two percent of lobbying meetings in westminster and we hold maybe less than that we i mean it's a joke we don't see any disclosure on what they're lobbying and how much money they're spending if we're lucky we'll get the clients for which the specific minister or permanent secretary and that is just worse than from the pathetic system we had before so it was an attempt to try and squash this by putting on the stud you pick something which wouldn't tell us anything but you know to be fair in the end the result is that we have. a civil servant now who is in charge of lobbying transparency lovings are and the framework which could be built on her part is a limited she doesn't have enough resources the law she has to force it adequate

but we have something on the statute now which we didn't have before and that's both the concrete existence of the that will be in office and also the acceptance of the principle that loving disclosure should be legally required as opposed to something which is voluntary for the lobbyist so there's a lot of steps forward but the concrete the actual feeling of the lobby register with the information is pathetic well to mix my metaphors a little do you think the revolving door of former labor liberal democrat and labor bullet tory politicians who then go into big business that revolving door somehow illuminates the lobbying you're talking off well yes of course it doesn't mean that this is one of the key issues that we faced with lobbying i mean let's not think about lowering transparency in. it's meeting the ministers and whether we can find out about that but let's also think. what kinds of routes into parliament into

westminster and why hold to the corporations and they have sinned by simply employing x. ministers makes labor ministers liberal democrats x. tories. there's no real regulation of the atoll is the only regulation we have for ministers and civil servants is. the key word in the title of a kobo is the first letter the advisory committee of business appointments is a committee with no power which ministers can ignore it well which in any case is physically. conflicted with its own conflicts of interest to people who are stuff of what the ex ministers who run a cobra have their own caucus interest in this new real motive there to to think of eliminating a managing conflicts of interest which is the point that what they do is they say well you mustn't be about personal nice and speak to your new clients for six months and if that means that you've eliminated the problem of corruption. yeah i mean even the murdoch times in the past few days is

a real forty nine at least forty nine senior white all officials of private consultancies they were naming military education foreign government link linked investment funds what else could we actually say well could you do it's been would as you find out what they're doing because apart from that times report the times couldn't then say right and we bugged the meeting room well that of course. there's something to be said before we say what we do about it is to try to appreciate the full scale of the problem in that this is not just a problem of what whole and westminster it's a problem across the whole of our society problem innovation to the regulation of the press of the police of education and regulation of all of our society is beset by this problem of the revolving door of business and powerful interest being able to buy up people so the in the end will not be critical or probably exercise their regulatory functions and that's a problem we face across the western world and the biggest banks across the world

have bought into the regular three. four days and in every single european country for example and in this country to people who run the regulatory agencies are all explained because if you could you could trust exploiting because to properly regulate the banks it's an absolute joke so the whole system is corrupt and not fit for purpose and when you we hear a news story about britain doing some more fracking or the privatization of education to work at means or or selling weapons to dictators i mean we hear these debates on mainstream media television news behind it is that well because of what is being hidden the the meetings. yes of course i mean i mean i mean you know. the help of the police and the police is regulated by the i.p.c.c. body which seems to favor employing x. police officers to investigate the police because they're supposed to know something about policing well you know if you want to know what police corruption

is all about then you the first thing you do is you can do employ police to investigate and the first thing you do if you want to regulate the press is you do employ newspaper editors to regulate the newspaper industry that's a job for the stories only keep e m g officials stuffing regulatory bodies and these are you know this it's nice to restrict part but this is across the whole of our system and you need to think about ways in which you regularly industries local government central government by by regulatory bodies which are independent means really independent of the independent budgets to improperly investigate and have the will to properly investigate powerful institutions in our country this is the case b.m.g. story which in two h. was because the regulator found that nothing untoward happened. the mad twenty billion ok but i mean we're trying to recruit people of the low being industry graduates watching this program but is it a golden age for these industries right now after the repeal bill in the so-called

honor the eighth. laws that regime is brought in because of bricks and people can now meet around the corner from this studio and try and get their little piece of legislation has let's not fool ourselves so long golden age i mean. the golden age started with a single european act. started to flock to brussels there were hardly any lobbyists in brussels before the single european act and maastricht and now there are photos and thousands of them. this was not a haven remains a haven for corporate lobbyist in particular lobbies for transnational corporations . it's not a new gold. age with blacks it seems to me to be misplaced what we're talking about isn't it tamed through the. process and you know apparently contradictorily through the bricks that process for particular business is to grab power and influence and money we could do all the interviews about say the law being called acts of food

and pharmaceuticals and we could as long as we have the money for the for all the lawyers we need a give lee but greenfeld tower that tragedy became a grab the magic of the neo liberalism over the summer killing more than eighty people do you think little being may surround the grenfell inquiry into why eighty people more than eighty people have died well there will be people who are involved in relation to that quite trying to defend their interests of course the world and if we think that if we think that the people who are involved who are responsible for the info are going to sit back and say. yeah i'm guilty then you know let's let's remember what power does what it is this challenge sometimes isn't quite as can get to the truth and or get close to the truth we've seen some examples of that probably some day and quite sort of course the truth. quite some time so but our society seems to be unable to take any practical measures to deal with the truth when those inquiries are finished or has

a david miller thank you after the break when ziggy played the key with one of the twentieth century's greatest photographers terry o'neill told a simple coming up about do of going underground. in. fact.

he asked me. if. i could introduce you. to do most drug syndicates. tomatoes it's a. good look to. keep you. busy with. the. times the government knows what they do and they do nothing.

welcome back has morgan freeman declared war on russia we have been attacked. in a two minute video produced by the committee to investigate russia the academy award winning actor calls on u.s. president donald trump to come clean with the american people about de facto kremlin attempts to take over the world the russian government has suggested that freeman has been tricked into using his celebrity and did not have information about actual state affairs and what some people are suggesting is revamped mccarthyites propaganda of the nineteen fifties next guess. has arguably more experience of western nations celebrity culture than perhaps any other person alive terry o'neill has photographed a who's who of the twentieth century from laurence olivier to winston churchill to mamma dolly to kate morse his latest project is a book and exhibition called when ziggy played the marquee about the final concert

of ziggy stardust or the late david bowie we caught up with him at london's run some gallery where iconic photos of just fade done away winning an oscar for satire on us television news and robert redford sitting together with nixon's cia boss adorn the walls. never had any lessons to be a patrol for i just picked it up i saw a star of chalk but never look back. i just show them how i see them you know that's the secret of my photography i think showed people how they really are. and there's nobody i want to shoot to be and so the whole world has changed and it almost seems they all seem fake you know all the politicians in their life actors playing a role. all the people i met my life they're all great bob wilson every no. you know they never i just thought people.

terry i thought david bowie retired ziggy stardust in june in the house with odio in london the marquis where he did see or somebody wanted to film it so they did one special show at the marquee plopping in soho and so he did it that was actually the last time he actually performed it because everyone knows that film. and this was the last what you like or you really are swan yeah well the manager which is shop manager he you if you've got good photographers around and good results. i mean paul himself was a very interesting guy i mean i actually didn't like you saying oh chris allman jazz man but. he still move so we're all you know it was interesting in that way. and he was a really never changed the whole time when you have over forty fifty years he was

the same gone in the beginning as you with it in because you're. a frustrated jazz drummer that's what you wanted to be yes that's right photography was a secondary thing yeah. he. crossed the no one and people crying coming in saying goodbye and all this record tossed up i'm a took a show of a guy in a pinstripe suit for the sleeper amongst a load of african chieftains and it turned out to be right but there are no reports of so many sent the film up to a jury have a secretary yeah yes and they sent the picture to is. and then suddenly they said i love the work on the film i'd love you to come to be a reset of the family got taken on by the sketch which was a tabloid paper like opposition to the daily mirror and our member going up there

on the first night it to said i was not only journey you know it i didn't really know what was doing. everyone was using thirty five millimeter no no they weren't nobody was so how did you go. the only camera i had a. camera. anyway when i got the pipe. so. i. pictured said to me are taking you on. your musician which i'm really interesting i think pop music is going to be big in the sixty's and we want someone young who can talk to them he said all of us simply. own nobody my torso only twenty so i said well i don't know what i'm doing he said don't worry i'll look after and he says first job she said to maurice i want to go down or abbey road photograph of

a group down they called the beatles and they're making a record please please me so they sent me down there and i took this picture very amateurish picture that. and what you have to remember there were any groups before sixty's this was the first so i just improvised whatever i thought about the studio and the backyard had ringgold and a symbol. and anyway the picture published in the phone rang the next day and it was andrew oldham from the stone saying on the stones manager would you like to photograph the brawling stones and do what you did for the pages because to get pictures of pop groups in newspapers was like heard of those days i mean just didn't happen anywhere i did then they did a double page spread on them and i was i was off and running and it was less marriage obviously. a waste of time and there's nobody i want to

photograph today anyway to be honest there's no i mean amy winehouse was the last one with any real talent. you know where the frank sinatra's de mountains and sammy davis is are they would just disappear. i think is the why they were brought up and now hard to work things you know now go on x. factor and i have a you know it's a joke actually well there's one amazing picture you took of rover redford on the sets of i think three days of the comb through a cia conspiracy movie he's with nixon's cia book richard helms well we used to tease me that you'd be surprised me with this richard helms and he said he's going to come down on the set one day robert redford telling it. you go to work it out. and. then you want to came to see him and it turned out to be this guy you know the long lens on

that yeah you know it was because i mean i didn't want to offend. it's very important of people the pictures i mean the paper or see a broom for togaf ok but this is richard helms a plan to assassinate fidel castro infamous well the range the assassination of the city. but why if it was politics in the conservative home secretary that that made you know started you off by base that by accident did you do celebrity well i did the newspaper did i may said they wanted me to photograph all these pop groups and only people coming up and so that. actually what i started to learn about my great idea was eugene smith who is a great photo journalist and i used to shoot like came you know just natural eugene smith someone who lives in britain i think it was mentally had mental health issues

because he was the sort of focus yeah he was a. brilliant job that's the one who are you know because he always copy somebody tried to copy him you know so that's how the painting is so i got it out that style to doing personalities if you like your name is in maybe you don't know there's the alice to campbell's diaries going to relay as and sure and really they're planning the iraq war and they say on april twenty ninth two thousand and two terry o'neill is here to take a peek at number ten downing street to take pictures. do you remember that as i'd shoot the queen and the. prime ministers who were still around at the time which was two minutes to shoot couple of pictures was really oh i didn't know i was in that must read that. but surely do they don't realise they've got terry neal to do the phone oh they're going to give him time to do you know with the

queen around. the queen's style hugo thatcher photograph is clearly. trying to humanize her well yeah exactly i needed to try to make it seem more family you know not that she was manly but she just needed to read each about four or five prime ministers in my time and that access to them and i still don't. you know there's no. great english politician but you know they couldn't figure out why they go where they go one of the most iconic images arguably of the twentieth century one of the greatest photographs is your photograph of your ex-wife you know. in the beverly hall royal yes. just tell me a little while i was shooting. people magazine and because they always

did the one they thought was going to win and took a chance on the following weight and cheering this. you know week of what i spent with you know our city of got an idea for a picture of the because nobody really knows the real effect because when somebody wins the oscar winning the football pools but big time you know the money goes up from fifty thousand to five million and they get off every script gallery and on scene the people are next day and they're in a store would die you state and i want to they capture that in a picture so explain what the picture was and said if you come down to. the beverly hills hotel could you take pictures. at six thirty and i'll set up this picture now i see it and you just sit in for a couple minutes just shoot this picture you said all the newspapers

a day and i was lucky because parts of the soaps french you know they get a month off script because he died everything so it worked out really well and that's become really famous hollywood picture now the difference who is in the film with regular cool network brilliant film satirizing the t.v. news industry never become more true than today you wrote that not to put. before the movie took him twenty years to get it made but amazed then the it's obviously in hindsight seems to predict the rise of the yes rope. don't try as a man. we would like to photograph him well yes and no i don't really see kennedy now actually i actually shot kennedy but we were all just photographed they photographed him yes. i wouldn't mind doing trumpet east no wouldn't

be top of my list you know. what can we do with him he is who we is. you know. i'm far more interested in saying putin because i think putin is quite a politician. really clever man so. thank you thank you. neil there is a book when ziggy played the bach he is out now and you can go and see his photos at the run some gallery in london or if you're in beverly hills his bowie photos will be on view at the movie and the show will be on wednesday with the leader of what's new york just socialist party generally cool with his vision for a radical britain of the u.k. labor party conference keep in touch with us which will be a fifty five years to the day revolutionaries of the little bugger nation of yemen

being bombed by u.k. but the king eventually but to the southeast of england. morphs into a neo con well that didn't take long also the world disorder after the united nations general assembly speeches and why does morgan freeman hate russia so much. the reason why north korea is trying to develop the capability to. prevent japan and the united states from assisting south korea in case of contingencies because. in japan and the united

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