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or wasp hi what did you do i think for most of us that is the fateful day we learned that most ancient of life's lessons not to poke the hornet's nest as they say tragically tragically i i don't think many in washington d.c. today especially president donald trump and his generals three seem to want to remember that important childhood lesson especially when it comes to kim jong un and north korea over the last few days we've seen yet another escalation in the war of words and militant posturing by the united states and north korea this time culminating with north korea's foreign minister young hoes response to president trump's latest round of threatening tweets and statements declaring to reporters at the united nations that quote the whole world should clearly remember it was the first it was the us who first declared war on our country will have every right to make countermeasures including the right to shoot down the united states strategic bombers even when they are not inside the airspace border of our country. in the

foreign minister was of course referencing the brilliant idea brilliant idea to fly a u.s. air force b. one b. lancer bombers over international waters. east of north korea. on saturday before he spoke in what the pentagon is calling a show of force the pentagon said demonstrated the range of military options available to president donald trump. stick meat mast hornets meat grown up children lost in their g.i. joe daydreams of hubris that could put us all in harm's way which is why we need to always be yes you guessed it watching the hallmarks. of. the. real thing with. the bottom. like you that i got.

this. week so. the watching the hard science tyrone but and on top of all this. of course area down there down the hornet's nest says you so eloquently put. it is a small age you don't hope to harness and relate so why do we keep doing this and what does this possibly i mean doesn't. first of all it wouldn't solve a problem that's like here's your fancy bomber planes is what we're going to do but even mcmasters doesn't think this kind of would be an answer national security advisor. master savior in washington that he said quote there's not

a person strike that solves the problem there's not a military blockade that can solve the problem well we hope to do is avoid war but we cannot discount that possibility while you can when you still haven't ended the war that you were in that you started as that we started as a nation we still haven't ended that they're back again understood i mean it's like turning that somebody is house and we don't want to get a little lighter and going. is really ridiculous and you see it happen over and over and over and over again where we kind of are you know we our leaders will sit and say oh we want peace and we got to kill the bad guys but at the same time we do everything possible to poke the bad guy to make them given to every reason to give them every reason to respond why because that keeps the coffers going that keeps a military industrial flowing that keeps the military surveillance industrial complex flowing you know you need that enemy right the problem with this as i see

it is tell me if i'm wrong i don't know but that's that's a population that even if you get rid of him even if you knock him out you're talking about you know generations of people who've been living in a cold like world cut off from the outside world what are we going to have the wherewithal to rebuild that world we're going to put that trust in the donald trump in our current government's hands to to rebuild doors korea after they're done i often bombs all over it first of all i don't know one hand i do not think we should be droppings hum's on north korea to handle the problem. but it's that's a ridiculous thing to say we will these people are warlike and they keep threatening more so we're going to show him what i mean that's a comparison saying i'll give you some. to cry about when you're already crying as if you don't have to waste your time no i don't think this is this is all going to be a terrible idea then then the united states is in charge of going in there and dealing with this this is an issue for south korea and the south korean people and the

north i am a is a people well yes but i think if there's anybody whose place it is to help the north korean people move forward it's south korea the civil have family there you're right you read at least allow people back and forth and get some sort of open communication between people in the north and the south but right now it's all just childish play we use this some are not going to do it and then we're going to do this and then we're going to little rock it moment to slam a little plane and we all know what it is just one big measure and. you know look at me you go you know you know one trump calling you know kim jong un a madman you know kim jong groom saying well we have a mentally deranged us. threat so i'd like to put those goods here to you know there's a lot of words we can see that separates him like it's going to be all we're going to have you know but it's going to get high i will say and i hope i hope life proves me wrong i hope history proves me wrong i hope better minds prevail i hope the doves of peace prevail but i i just don't see it on its current course without

some dramatic right term not going to some form of conflict well not more and more bomb dropping i am form of something i don't know i don't think bomb dropping i do think however that there will be conflict it won't be with north korea it will be that some other country china or south korea or those together along with russia or other nations will step in and deal with us and the united states my protection as will be sort of pushed out of negotiations in that part of the world and this will be the thing that says you're not getting anywhere. i hope so it would be like i told you or the other day you know this is going to. you have to decide. for the use of this good a good one and we need to allow other countries in this world to do that but i also see the north korea is also the kind of excuse to build more military bases a rogue china and a box in china and china knows that everyone knows that it's not secret so all

right we'll see what happens next let's just let's not have war. since september eleventh for better or worse despite scandal after scandal whistleblower after whistleblower surveillance has been the name of the game here in the united states of america one could even say it's america's new pastime this week and teligent the law enforcement officials across the government lobbied congress to allow them to conduct broad surveillance on foreign targets for years to come the code in question is called section seven zero two and they could be found in the foreign intelligence surveillance act the amendment is from two thousand and eight and is set to expire at the end of the year for it to continue congress would have to reauthorize the program and the new administration is hoping to make it permanent some odd dollars area has more on the battle between security and privacy. on capitol hill monday intelligence officials confirm to congress they spied on one hundred six thousand foreign targets in two thousand and sixteen and they did so using a warrantless surveillance law known as section seven zero two under the u.s.

foreign intelligence surveillance act it allows the u.s. government to spy on internet and telephone communications of foreigners outside the u.s. without a warrant all for the sake of national security but some are worried the broad surveillance powers mean u.s. citizens are also swept up in the data collection if they happen to communicate with these foreigners and are calling for more limits the legislation now the law sets a sunset at the end of the year if congress doesn't act attorney general jeff sessions and intelligence director dan coats said reauthorizing this critical authority is the top legislative priority of the department of justice and the intelligence community information collected under sec. seven zero two produces a significant foreign intelligence that is vital to protect the nation against international terrorism and other threats on the hill intelligence officials touted a few success stories related to the surveillance among them helping stop a u.s. manufacturer from unwittingly selling two hundred thousand dollars in goods to

a weapons proliferation network tipping off turkish authorities to the whereabouts of a man suspected of conducting is stumbles new year's night club attack that killed thirty nine people and gaining information about foreign cyber tactics that could stop a future cyber attack against the u.s. and while the intelligence community would like to make these powers permanent as i mentioned some legislators and privacy advocates have major concerns chief among them of course how americans are impacted by foreign sweets democratic organ senator ron wyden has been searching for this answer for six years and he's not satisfied with director codes testifying this summer that it's infeasible to come up with an exact number of americans whose communications could be incidentally collected under the statute in a letter to codes last month why did made clear he thinks the impact of section seven zero two on persons inside the u.s. constitutes a relevant metric and his conclusion that an estimate isn't feasible needs to be

revisited he went on to say that while the intelligence community can and should explain the limitations of its estimates it is the responsibility of congress to determine what information is and is not relevant to its deliberations on the reauthorization of section seven zero two so again while the intelligence community would like to see the program reauthorized and without any changes why then and republican senator rand paul are already drafting a bill to address their privacy concerns for watching the hawks i'm seimone dollars are you reporting from washington d.c. . it's very strange to me when you look at that of them saying that they it's unknowable but we have all this data and we can stop terrorist attacks but we don't . you know how many united states citizens we actually were traveling a while looking for its terrorist but i mean this is the thing you should know that's the whole point and we all know that what happens is you end up going one step one step one step and you incrementally go out there is no way they have

americans and they're in if you don't know when you can't count them then you have a problem in television not going to be intelligence in. my opinion you know so use the word hold all of it because it's all. b.s. all the uses are strong words because they know when they're so they know and they know how they want to be truthful yeah we're sucking in so much data from us so this is what we don't know the numbers what they're trying to downplay that now is always love when they use the word retarded what incidental incident oh you just only picked this up i'm sorry incidentally stole your wallet and all your information in a way that your identity my bad while i was driving around i also take. legal user thing but some of those words yeah and this thing is that they be honest they want your they want access to your private information not so they can look at it today but so that way if you ever do something down the line they can look at knew about it is the whole point of it it's not so they can like sit and pour over everything going on it's not until your name pops up suddenly and they can say like

what is this guy done let's go back in the fact you know let's go back into his history and find out because they don't want to do the detective work that needs to be actual police work the actual investigative work we've been looking for short cuts short cuts for cats a problem with their shortcuts as if you're not building a system from the ground up that has things like privacy constitutional rights how are ethics our values in this country and that isn't part of your basic understanding of any system you're going to be investigating people with it will inevitably end up being unconstitutional and challenging court which is what is going to happen if the intelligence community continues to push these kinds of bills and say we have to have them or we can't do or. job and the seven million probably that the sad thing is that over the years we've seen like it with the t.s.a. and things like that where there's by rights violations more times than not you'll see the judges and you know and juries kind of roll over because there's so much secrecy involved with the laws themselves them average since you can't beat them in

court but you still should try because at the end of the day that's the only thing that's going to bring a system bring that surveillance system down are either going to break watchers don't forget to let us know what you think of the topics you've covered on facebook and twitter see our poll shows that artie's dot com coming up journalist and historian david perry and through the auction is to discuss the lethal tactics and use of force by police that have left for disabled citizens dead inside of a week better to watch. all the world's a stage and all the news companies merely players but what kind of parties are anti american players are to see america offers more. in many ways the news landscape is just like this you know. you could never how you're on. so much part of the play

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for not understanding police commands or the shooting of scout soldiers the clinically depressed and suicidal college student who approach police with nothing but a small utility to wall screaming suit me no matter how you slice it there is clearly something very troubling about our relationship between many of our nation's law enforcement officers and anybody who is not white silent and conservatively dressed to explore this question further we are joined today by historian and journalist david perry welcome david. thank you so much for having me. in your in your recent article you know the weeks like this are not uncommon but the circumstances of some of these incidents incidents are finally kind of alarming enough to attract media attention for example in the magriel sanchez case you mention that the victims and neighbors actually yelled at the police officers that

sanchez is deaf and can't understand their commands you know when you look at that it's hard to see how you avoid prosecution one there's that kind of evidence saying that look you were law enforcement screwed up what is the this case. as far as i know it's still in the investigation stage i have to say that i am never especially optimistic about. any police officer being prosecuted let alone convicted because we've just seen too often that in quite agree just cases where there was evidence i'm thinking of walter scott of planting of planting a weapon or the situation i'm in minneapolis right now the killing of philanthropist steele where there's good video evidence about the police officer acting in correctly when possibly illegally that it's still very hard to move to a conviction. the case of scout schultz at georgia tech is equally disturbing and on a whole different way souls had as he said had tried to commit suicide in the past

and left it at home before making a nine long call. reporting a man with a gun a knife and when the campus police arrive salt shouted suit me i mean if that isn't a red flag that someone that this is an issue a mental health situation are someone having a breakdown that they're not making these decisions they shot and killed an unarmed student the police officers the defense now appears to be that he didn't receive crisis intervention trading shouldn't that be i mean they are literally the people that are called in a crisis how shouldn't that be a commonsense requirement not just for especially college campus police but police in general. so there's a couple different things here that i think we need to tease out a little bit these calls where you have someone who is armed or allegedly armed and in a mental health crisis they are difficult calls and one of the things that i wanted

to point out in my nation article is that we might look at individual cases and say that this is more or less a situation where we would definitely want to see prosecution. case looks looks pretty bad but just to note that this happens all the time and i wrote in my nation article that it was four but by the time my piece was actually alive i knew that it was unfair. nine of fourteen people killed by police last week were disabled in lots of different ways sometimes the disability very much related to the situation as with model sanchez sometimes less so sometimes and when more than one case there does seem to have been a loaded firearm which is a situation where most people would understand why the police used force although we can talk about the limitations there too and in other cases as with scout schultes you know there was a closed utility knife as far as crisis intervention training it's a fine training and it tends to be the thing that gets called for whenever whenever

a story like scout schultz's killing gets reported and gets some media attention and i've actually traveled around to various crisis intervention trainings in the country i've sat through it there's nothing especially wrong with it but the real solution first of all costs money and i'd like to see more resources poured into communities poured into non policing mental health response and supporting the work of community groups and community leaders but just in general we've got to get the police out of out of being the first responder for mental health calls as much as possible now you know i like to think through these situations very seriously and from a kind of non ideological perspective and say well if there's a nine one one call that there's a person with a gun it's going to be hard to get the police out of that specific call but even there they could practice restraint you know police are trained in i like to call it the cult of compliance but the police the police language they're trained in

something called ask tell make which is you ask someone to do something then you tell them to do it and then you make it. in a situation as with scout schultes where they were in a crisis ask tell make is just asking them to either be normal or be killed is putting them in a situation where there's no outcome in which the police aren't going to use lethal force you know i like the point of you mary. no we need a little less intrusion of police in our lives and we have to kind of store allowing you know going back to you know communities taking care of their own especially when it comes to the you know those who are mentally you know how do you capture mentally ill in the situations like these you know i also wonder is the other problem too that we've seen kind of a drop in the actual police academy where you know you actually have you know police i did not to get to the training thing again but like i don't see as many police academies i don't see as many you know proper actual training for police

from beginning to end as if you know that's going to be their lives work it's more like they got the law degree and you have this and you could pass the physical you know i mean is there is that were some of the breakdown as to. you know i think we could in any given case kind of dig into the training issue again i i have to say i'm very skeptical that the solution is ever to pour more resources into police and i just moved to minneapolis from chicago and in chicago right now there's i think it's an eighty three million dollars police academy that rahm emanuel wants to build while they're shutting down schools i think in the long run building schools rather than police academies is the way to go what i would like to see is is decriminalizing noncompliance activists in the community people who have been working on this much longer than i have i think it has been under reported informal journalism but let's be clear that that there are activists who have been very aware of this for decades they like to talk about decriminalizing disability decriminalizing mental illness decriminalizing homelessness decriminalizing

noncompliance every officer is trained from the ground up to take control of a situation and that puts people who are in any way non-compliant any way non-typical at risk there are cops who look at things differently they talk about for example stabilizing a situation well that's a that's a core philosophy and the. it's not about an expensive new training program or building an eighty million dollars police academy that's about just fundamental basics of what we think police should be doing in american society those are also points and i want to thank you for making those as me very very good. what's your into i know i would like to know what your take is on the uncertain proposals because i've read some of the other things which is the idea of having a database of people with mental illness developmentally disabled that police could have access here so before they go on

a call they can check to see if someone's on this list i mean aside i guess it could be effective from personal standpoint i just have a lot of concerns that it crosses lines when it comes to not just privacy but personal dignity because if you understand how many people have even severe depression who are go to work every day and function and are are some i normal people is everyone going to be on this list and how dangerous is that so what do you think about that as a policy the idea of sort of register a people you know i i am i am strongly opposed to using registration as a tool to stop police from killing disabled people and i'm certainly joined by that again by people who've been working on this much longer particularly you could look to to lewis who in the group heard that focuses in particular on deafness in prison and i quoted rebecca coakley who is a former executive director of the national council of disability and now at the center for american progress who called it the mutant registration act that the

minute you create a database of vulnerable people what else will that database be used for and i have to say i get the get the impulse so i am the father of a boy with down syndrome and in fact we do make sure that at age ten the police are aware of him so that if he leaves the house we have a better chance of him brought being. to our house and that was a very hard decision to make but we can't have so as a parent i understand the impulse i have seen people propose well if you're if you're autistic just wear a bright yellow shirt and then everyone will know you're autistic you know that's just going to reinforce stigma the solution to police not killing people with disabilities is for police to not kill people with disabilities and the method is for me is to focus on this issue of decriminalising noncompliance i think i think that's a really good really good point your major we've got about a minute left so i just want to ask you know you know what what should people do in

their communities to help get to what you're talking about go but a minute left. yeah i would focus on talking to local police trainers and talking to police chiefs police agencies about about how to not respond to someone not immediately behaving orders by resorting to lethal force right away to ask your ask your police your local police authorities to look at some best practices that are being proposed to people focusing on restraint people focusing on patients people focusing on investing time and space just one quick example in milwaukee not long after a black disabled homeless man was killed two officers encountered a man covered in blood holding a butcher knife while they would have legally be within their rights to shoot him but not wanting to cause that incident when he took a step forward they took a step back when he to right up forward they started putting the police car between him and them they did everything they could to bring time and space of obstacles

into the encounter to try to save his life and that's the philosophy i'd like to see every most of the way all right thank you so much david perry journalist and historian thank you thank you so much thank you. and twenty seventeen there are net kind of people kicking around still questioning the shape of the earth. until now c. rapper b.o.b. has worked tirelessly to get equal rights for flat earth earth to question why that darn curve is just so hard to see even when you're you know on a hill and the curve of the earth just isn't visible to the naked why i mean what i want to know b.-o. b. is fronting a campaign to raise one hundred million dollars to put satellites into space to fight only what i have and it is a debate prove that the earth is flat finally i mean this is this was like a major big question that needed answers like we need more satellites like

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gradually investigators looking into rush's meddling into the u.s. election accuse the trumpet administration of stonewalling the delivery of requests to documents plus an uptick in the rhetoric between the u.s. and north korea we're discussing these topics and more on this edition. politicking on larry king scores of documents related to the so-called russian probe have been sought by the congressional committees operating out of parallel track to special counsel robert mueller but this week comes reports of rising tensions between capitol hill in the trump administration over to a delivery of those documents related to everything from thomas discussions about the firing of james called me to jarryd cushions security clearance leaders of the congressional committees of gone so far as secures the white house.