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for us washoe relations and earlier we heard the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov say that it wasn't that initiated all this and that he deeply regret it that the latest reaction from the russian officials is of course they still see these actions as a violation of international law the russian side never accepted the decision to close the premises mainly the consulate in san francisco and what the russian top diplomats are saying right now the latest statement has appeared on their website is that they reserve the right to respond to this because rather today that's our correspondent thank you. thank you guys that i'm staying with is more news at the top of the hour. being way it was only about maintaining peace between states at an essentially symbolic value when you have militias when you have criminal groups. this is
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a symbol it's not enough you need robust force. i'm after tense here we're going on the ground today representatives from multinational corporation coca-cola and the spectator magazine discuss business ethics of a gin and tonics at the u.k. conservative conference in manchester coming up on the show the radical hard left lost the political block we are the chair of the welsh affairs select committee david davies about whether the call but he's demonstrated in man just the true bricks of tears unlike remain to resume a. company defacto sponsoring the labor party conference we speak to chief
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secretary to the treasury doubt about how the british labor party is welcoming lobbyists into the tent. labor's national executive committee explains the ins and outs of throwing people out and generally corbin's not just socialist party in western europe all the civil coming of a days going underground at first when britain's chancellor all finance minister phil hammond speaks today he'll be speaking for a government that has borrowed more than any british government apparently in the street where household debt is at a record one point eight trillion pounds or two and a half trillion dollars and yet this is how and who has foreign secretary arguably said there was british money to burn to give. cover to al qaeda linked rebels in syria it's no secret that we would like to be able to extend our strike operations into syria and this was a chance low suggested a new cold war with russia russia. ignores the norms of international conduct and breaks the rules of the rules based international system and that represents
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a challenge and a threat to all of us it was hamman to support of the lords of an economic war against nuclear armed russia are accusing the largest nation on earth of being uncivilized civilized nations do not behave in the way russia under putin has behaved towards ukraine and those of us who live by the rules based international system will be steadfast in defending it against such aggression this from the then foreign secretary who supported u.k. training of saudi pilots to drop bombs in the persian gulf to threaten tens of millions i know that some of them are being used to again that doesn't make them that doesn't fall foul of the export licensing criteria it would be hypocritical to think that we could have a large defense industry exporting weapons systems and they never get used meanwhile as hammond speaks today as chancellor international or whether it be
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austerity here in britain or what he did as u.k. foreign secretary will be largely absent in the analysis on mainstream media that alone what the united nations had to say about his backing for the saudis sarah disappearing there are was a hotly sought tech on civilians and an outrageous a violation of international humanitarian law well just like in labor brighton arms companies will be in attendance at this week's tory conference in manchester but it won't be yemen being discussed as much as critical bricks it talks with brussels joining me is chair of the welsh affairs committee and conservative member of parliament from moment in wales david davis david thanks for coming back on going underground so what's the atmosphere going to be like in man just a given you are the largest party again after the general election but there are demonstrations all around the city of manchester this week. well at least demonstrations because the hard left or at the person ought to don't like the fact
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that democracy means i don't always win you know i've been fighting elections food twenty five years or so you win some you lose seventy two separate sets the weather the people i've won and lost referendums as well but there are some people out there who don't accept that you have a kind of frankly fascistic view that. they are right and everyone the majority is wrong and that if the majority are doing what they want and no use force to try to have their way it's a pity that cd figures in the labor party don't seem willing to disassociate themselves without albeit that the hard left some of whom support your position on bricks it because of the need for national sovereignty is tourism a going to water down the vote the clear vote for break given the other european countries of the voted to leave the european union have managed to betray their people well you certainly right the term that in other countries where there have been referendums how that has come out against the european union governments have tried to ignore the voices of their own electorate that's not going to happen with
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us. we have said we're going to leave the earth be unique and we're going to do so i would be quite happy frankly to leave tomorrow without making any further payments since traded up the rules but i also realize the pragmatists that a significant minority have their concerns about leaving the union and the government to bend over backwards to provide reassurances to remain honest business that's why we've got this two year transition period that's why we said that we need to make payments. at the end of the day it's up now to the rest of the european union to decide whether or not they want to play ball with this and accept that with the hand of friendship or whether they still want to try to punish us for having the temerity to say we do not want to be part of that political project but you know that some of those people are mantras just singing oh jeremy corbyn know that corba. and has been you're a skeptic all his life your prime minister a home a voted the reality yet the fact they are already here is i'm not sure they do
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realize that you are quite right he has been he has been much more you're a skeptic than three zermatt many people in the conservative party but i don't know that i accept the premise of the question as i do the supporters realize that i think that they think that he is actually all for staying in secret what i perceive very cold we would do is to try to find any way he could get the government and. the conservative vote so from that point of view see it's very unpredictable what the labor party might do but it's interesting that the only rebellions we've seen so far on the e.u. withdrawal or bill have been labor m.p.'s are badly because they're they're saying that constituents want gregs that they're going to follow what their constituents and what the majority of people in the country want so i think that's quite a hopeful sign arguably that rebellion there was the henry v. eight clause about sovereignty itself that's over to the british parliament well arguably but i think it shows that there's a there's a feeling there months later backbenchers that actually whatever their leadership say whatever whatever mixed message they're giving out about bricks they're going
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to be they bring peace useful for exit and who understand that that's what their voters voted for the niger for years on this program saying the drazen may selling the whole thing out and is in all could basically do what goldman sachs want not what the british people wanted when they voted for break. no sorry simplistic look the british people voted out they didn't vote for harper accident or stop threats are there any particular kind of threats that they gave a very clear mandate to the government to find its own way out now it's nobody's ever pretended it was going to be entirely straightforward to do it we could of course of just said the day after the referendum result that we were going to leave unless it there would be any further payments and that we would immediately go to debbie t.-o. rules and i would have caused uncertainty most of the business community and it would have caused concern amongst those who voted to say so we're recognizing that we're listening to those last moment going to resume didn't even invoke geo rules when donald trump decided to put the tariffs on bombarding but why did she need to
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respond with a trade war of a boeing do you think constrains him a understands w t o o c s we all understand the b.t.o. rules mean that any country could trade with any other country that that's that your countries quote are few and that they will pay terrorists which average about ten percent or with a significantly more for some goods services agriculture ones with which will pose some challenges for the why didn't you go to them about the donald trump plan because they're apparently around sixteen thousand boeing jobs here in britain is it the four thousand jobs in northern ireland or more money that are more important because we all know you won the election as you say you bone. a billion pounds at least alone look we make sample source things here first of all the bogus he was going to write whatever it's got nothing to do really don't understand why people are saying that there is something between. what we. face in this problem which is the. stay in that kind of stuff the dice their competitors are fair in that their
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vote their interpretation of rules to court i think it triggered fifty percent tariff on these places it's got absolutely nothing to do with it is quite a complicated matter but it's not going to resume our conference being the prime minister as well because the. trees made quite rightly standing up for the pretty strong suit with body what else would you do see do exactly the right thing but let's not mix it up with he's got nothing to do no matter what the result of the referendum. it's nothing to do with. your namesake there's obviously a brick to tear is sure your day dragons' how it is to get a good deal for britain not only are you losing civil servants resumes chief of stuff is usually being about allegedly sitting on fire reports he did before that referendum proud that my. politics of hate and.
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but he's a cool member of the number ten team does he understand the political sovereignty that there's about a lot about eight well i can't comment on but i mean it sounds ridiculous to me to be very careful about what they put out to twitter this is nothing to do xenophobia or grace this shows nothing whatsoever about it but if you project it will lead to an effect to a european state at some point and all the same people by the way to it and yes we should say we're the same ones who are saying ten or thirty years ago we should all join together it was. going to be in the desert so that i think getting you know you can bring me back here in another ten years time we'll look back on it's not real but we pretending they vote count because it becomes obvious that britain is going to be a huge success european union of course will continue to trade and buy goods from the europeans we buy a lot more than that from that and they sell to us and they want to continue
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selling us goods i know from greece busy i'm going to germany. we continue to buy up that daniel had an accusing you of fish was already a time waster that is a that. was that we we talked about a transition period now that is there now so expect to have a friend then we'll be out of there with no deal until we should be afraid of this i mean if i walked into a car showroom tomorrow to buy a new car and i'd sit around the dinner and i said last night i really need desperately need a car and i going to leave it. and get a car please give me a good they're going to be left let's talk stuff because they know that we you know that they're going to make a lot of money out of a customer that you could be prevent say to people in any negotiation situation i've got to do deal with this in your interests and mine if you don't give me that deal i'm going to walk away and i'll take my business elsewhere in our case we can walk away and we can trade under w t o terms we were already more competitive than
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we were because of the fall. in about. a year you want to go to a system of terrorists with an average said well that means they. benefit from that because we're importing more from them they're export that we're exporting back to them so we will actually make more money on the terrace and maybe that's in addition to the fact that. david davis thank you have an interesting conference after the break the labor ten feet inclusive or two crowded we speak to britain shout the chief of the treasury about working with big business is one of the same time protecting the most vulnerable in society and should livingston be allowed back we'll ask the member of the u.k. labor party national executive committee whether alleged accusations about the semitism will no longer mean suspension from western europe's largest socialist party. coming up in part two of going on the ground.
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welcome back british main. stream media and pro iraq war labor m.p.'s are having a hard time understanding jeremy corbin's commitment to end alleged public private partnership exploitation of the taxpayer all p.f. and i in brighton in the south east of england we are the u.k.'s shadow chief secretary to the treasury peter dowd to explain peter thanks for coming to our makeshift studio outside the conference hall just a boy get on there what's happening been happening all week what about the threat to jobs in the north of ireland over don't trump the decision on tariffs for body a product clearly it is a real shame and it's quite shocking because there was talk of teton. free trade deal looks like you can keep it and what we've got to do is the prime minister's call to this you've got to get on the phone straight away to donald trump and ask him what he's playing obvious they don't trump is famous for acting on impulse you can't complain that the government and all of the breaks and negotiators in the
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government didn't know of this announcement before it was made that well they may well have known about it but it's a question about what they're going to do about it obviously there's an immediate fear of the impact on jobs for those workers right now but i understand that. your team here have been talking about a rejigging of the entire economy because some would say why would you want to protect companies like body a anyway it's. investment in the economy it's public servants here in the virtuous cycle of growth arising from the job of government but on the other hand you hear the shadow foreign secretary i mean talking about the need for no double standards even more extremely as it were for ethical foreign policy than robin cook and yet you have to be a systems. now under attack for its involvement in yemen exhibiting kind of defacto sponsoring your conference. a fair assessment of the wealthy. labor policy do
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prepared to talk to anybody and anybody about anything as long as it's in the interests of the country and jobs and invest in the bar here at the grand hotel at maybe three in the morning they were looking pretty glum mindful of giving too much away to these lobbyists for the big. no i don't think it's a case of what it's a case off is that we set out an all manifesto a whole range of issues from education through to health through to employment through to the environment and we set spending commitments at this stage of forty eight point six billion pounds and how we would raise that's where in two that's where pushing taking care of the people who are the most wonderful so this is a it is a it's a it's a big tent it's an inclusive tent and we told to to anybody but what we have to do is look after the most vulnerable to small but if you are the french government being here to keep railways private they are always the owner
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a huge chunk of the train service from london to brighton here you know going to like your plans for bringing it back into the democratic control but it's not a question of whether they like it or not what we've made a decision to do is as the franchise's in relation to come trucks come up they will come back into public ownership now that might take a little while given the nature of the franchise regime but that's just the way it is ok but every shadow cabinet minister the guy was on this show until john mcdonnell made a speech here at the conference as adi mentioned p.f. i wouldn't when we've talked about it on this program now you have why does it seem like you're trying to solve the north's over how to pay for it if presumably you think we have five means it's going to be good for the exchequer well i don't think it's a question thomas of the northeast it's in a whole range of sectors it's in the n.h.s. it's in local government it's right it's in fire service it's right across the spectrum bottom line is the bulk of those pay if i contract. we brought back i'm at
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the end of the day whether we pay for them through pay off very expensively or pay for the most cheaply through the taxpayer the taxpayer still has to pay for them these companies are obviously on the foot sea that are involved in the p.f. in the there you have loans and bonds of corporate bonds with the city of london the head of the c.b.i. said of the plan that it's going to send business investment in this country running for the hills what do you think he means and you think he doesn't quite understand well i don't know why he would say that why why is it is not the case this is an economy the best part of two trillion we seriously saying but particular element of it is going to send investors running for the hills two twenty pound economy with the figures we're talking about is going to somehow you know ruin all position in the world economy no i don't accept that and you see it saving a lot of money because of people may not be aware even that the hospitals have to
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rent. their properties from private land holders and schools as well will it be saving well they're going to look certainly will it certainly won't save money setting out. how much people will say in the coming months in the company is but were satisfied on the assessment that we've done of it now that it will save substantial amounts of money jericho if we don't basically mention the all agog code press in this country particularly the daily mail but it's been in the business is that labour's been attacked recently cries of chalk as if this is theft but i don't think it is theft theft is when you take something off somebody and don't morph away with the assets or the property without some form of compensation and that's not going to happen not so little countries in western europe already have these policies so it's hardly sort of new in that sense it's
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hardly radical ironic or emblematic that you're having a conference in one of the city's most affected in the country by homelessness well i think that's shocking and i think that jeremy coleman actually writes that it was an issue and homelessness is has doubled in the last seven years and labor again i've got. a plan to build significant amount of houses over the next five ten years during our terms of palm and so we will be tough enough and we will be free to go local authorities to do just but it's been such centralization in the country over so many years the local authorities in regions just wait for westminster to tell it what to do or want to counter that we're going to free the roll call been appeared to be saying the media propaganda against you it just isn't working anymore but on the other hand what would you say to somebody actually you know being radical enough and that in itself is symptomatic of a fear you have of the way the media cover the labor party my view is labor to set out its plan in its manifesto and it resonated on
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a lot of thought as generally called in such a common sense but you look well i don't think i don't think it's almost like the first awful football match we went into that with a nail no drawl so to speak and we're going to come out of on the winning side. he did like to thank you britain's shadow chief secretary of the treasury peter dow there speaking to me in bright blue also there was claudia webb on the national executive of western europe's largest socialist party was she who has been chairing debates on whether germany corbin and his allies are facing the rear guard action by old blairites and program iraq war m.p.'s on jumped up accusations of and the semitism labeled by some as a new mccarthyism gloria thanks for being on going on the ground again in a noisy brighton sea front newspaper is one of them which is mentioned by jeremy goldberg in his speech saying it's a day of disaster i think all the e.u. a chairing a session of this conference how do you see. that clearly wasn't the case mean i'm
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i'm not sure if they if they want to have the conference but we need great this was a party in complete almost unity unity and a behind the vision and behind a very clear leader that he can live through it and just everything he can and take in is full of people at constituency labor party branches around the country getting strange letters from i don't assume it's telling the suspected or telling them about their membership and what is the state of democracy but. to the national executive committee party this time roughly this time he. was. trying to. support the top of the party to leave the party in the conviction that he said and it was important that we got some element. of control of the leadership of the party into the national
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executive committee in the run up to the. contest of those. seven thousand people and part of coming on board was. just. in the months of taking on the national committee called. thousand simply because they would not just. suspensions we were then able to do. what was happening with the suspension for the slow process low then the slow process but that's why it was important to. me to have a look at the full instructions of the parties. because if we're with at least if we're down to one hundred not thousands we're down to one
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hundred times in those few couple of hundred. looked up by what we call the national constitutional committee the national constitutional. that are a little bit more difficult to be able to decide on even. over the instant case that was already decided upon about ten of them was already decided he's no longer in the national committee. they will be met as you will recall that decision has already been measured means or another that decision was already made that he wouldn't be in the record so the what we're talking about is those couple of hundred cases with a bit more complicated which require more involvement and require the national constitution committee to look in greater detail we also of course had the election for the conference of grangemouth committee now you would think that you wouldn't
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think that members would get so excited by the obscure. what is or was the reason for that because they were deliberately trying to undermine germany. the reality is is being got a huge membership to people of the membership just six hundred thousand not the treating place to membership means we have to have a different party that reflects and looks like the membership to me is the sound and act like the membership that we have like the country that we seek to represent therefore we need a loop. of the politics and the structures in aspect. one of the ask is the last session with the pine tree people one minute allocated to discuss in the financial report nobody in previous conferences put up their hand and say that they want to discuss the financially for this year's conference and we've had
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many hands go up because because it's a rich body getting calls we have members that are saying they want to greater say in how the policy is run they want to know how it works they want to know who's making those decisions just very briefly what was your reaction to the fact that on the streets of cities in britain after the recent atrocities. about gun violence in the previous life as it were the idea of arming will be the streets of britain. you know. when the bill had the army on the streets of britain it was because we did was a. terrorist atrocities lead but you know what we. want to be. told to please. to you know to know the t.v. believe this government to. publish.
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this includes please on the day it is not fit for responding to these sort of terrorist attacks they do a good job with the minimum resources that they are when you have this game of terror with them that we are in touch terrorism that we are where people who go into a mosque and see simply seeking to prey and when people are simply seeking to go out and enjoy themselves as they did in manchester me and in london and simply people who are going about their daily business i'm going you know with the level of of attacks was atrocious and we needed a response that was fit for that moment and to that extent it was proper and right to target. extra resources in the form of the army on our streets but that hopefully was a targeted approach rather than a day every day. that simply every day with the reason.
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i believe the reports to police to is to work with communities. to win trust and confidence and that is every day when. we. shouldn't be a random stop to go on the road. with the inmates particular communities in women in a way that doesn't bring people together and the things need to build relationships and that's probably been made in order to build relationships in a meaningful way they need the resources and assets to. in order to do that what company. labor's national executive committee member claudia webb there on who gets to stay and who has to leave. and that's it for the show but will be back on wednesday when prime minister of tourism a kept in power by former paramilitary links body the view pete speaks to her conservative party faithful till then keep it up presidential media will see on wednesday seventy three years to the day pablo picasso joined the communist party
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which he would never leave till the day he died. it's taken these children's homes. now it's threatens to take their future. the volcano here could erupt again at any time. most people have a strong choice. live in poverty. what's going to. put some a following a different. moving forward to leave. that point about hope for
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