these propaganda videos it's important to remember that this law doesn't just apply to jihadist material it's any sort of terror propaganda that could be far right it could be bomb manuals as well and of course as it is with laws that in theory and laws in practice that may be questions about the laws implementation for example does the government have a full proof way of knowing who access to what and when by way of example a couple of weeks ago after the passage green incident i spent an entire day googling bomb making manuals and bomb making know how as did journalists from pretty much every other news organization in the u.k. because everybody was researching a story about how easy it is to build a homemade bomb and access that information online so when this lot for journalists

and academics there is that defense of reasonable excuse of research there's even the defense that you may have clicked on this link by accident even if you're not a journalist or an academic but with some cases it might not be as clear cut as that and that is where the difficulties with this could arise grazers artie's point of voices thank you very much indeed and we'll be back with more news in just over half an hour. it's taken these children's homes. now it's ready to take their future. the volcano here could erupt again at any time. most people have a stark choice. to live in poverty. what's going to come back. but

some are following a different. place and soon we. live by that hope for a better life. oh i'm max foster this is the kaiser report you know things out on this show it was just a few months ago that we had stephen baldwin on our show talking about shows that

we could do we came up with this idea for an american pilgrimage sure enough stacy shot a two minute video on her phone when we were in new york we sent it over to the network they said this sounds great they gave it to big green light and then dash came around and said yeah we'd love to sponsor that after we talked about looking to get it from joe just bonser the great american programmers i stepped up raised a bunch of money and now we're in the desert we're in arizona we're shooting the great american photo michel employee it'll be on air before too long but that's what happens on the carson reports days you things happen things happen we are on the road this isn't arizona in the desert we love that that's suspicious mountain behind us this is apache territory the original inhabitants of the area before as we all know what happened to them but i want to it's an interesting spot to be in suspicious minds because we're in this weird kind of cold war war everything

is crazy here we have to admit that it's pretty crazy here it's hard to watch but there was an interesting story that happened in the past week while we've been on the road that i want to cover this. in terms of the wider implications to financial and market wars going on since two thousand and eight two thousand and seven since the financial crisis because this is a story about. what the u.n. considers when you impose sanctions on any country they consider that prewar essentially that there will be a hot war that once you apply sanctions it may take decades as in the case of say cuba which is never we haven't had a hot war against them for a while but in terms of the sanctions against russia you and reported last week or the week before about the consequences of that and it's pretty interesting because sputnik news and our website did report on it and no other news in the world did i

found it interesting because the headline is exclusive news economic sanctions against russia. the first comprehensive study of anti russia sanctions show they hit e.u. much more than russia so the report was written by algeria's interests just barry who is a un special rapporteur of the negative impact of the unilateral coercive measures so they have a. a section of the u.n. called that the negative impacts of the unilateral. corrective course of measures because they consider it an act of war essentially right and you know as we reported on our show because we actually were in moscow talking to people who were affected by the sanctions local restaurant tours yes they have very quickly adapted you know the thing about this twenty first century world we see it all over the world adoption is vast because technology is is so pervasive and so powerful that we had entrepreneur spring up like really lilies or daisies after a rainstorm just coming out and starting new businesses they started new food

businesses that a culture of business went to mess tick not so much importation from abroad and the net impact of that was zero we reported on that but suspicious minds. to allow that fact to get over the transom of the box of the television screen there is a fact i'm giving it to you but suspicious minds of course don't accept facts and more and all of us to be spun within some greater conspiracy theory and the great conspiracy theory then is russia and not even a thinking cockade by the masters of conspiracy theories are no competing with these conspiracy theories coming right out of the federal government in washington so back to this u.n. report because you mention agriculture and they do talk about that we spoke to a guest called benares he's. europe so he's you know he reports on european affairs and his specialty is russia and he told you about the siberian count on bear of course you were

a bit offended by that oxymoron you can't have camel bear from some area russians are very resourceful people but chemical like on the one place fronts and they also talk about why there actually has been no impact essentially on russia is because of the central bank and we talked to jim rickards and we also talked to constantine gurn get of abouts. the central bank of russia's response to the sanctions remember what they did is they let the ruble float that caused the ruble to collapse by something sixty seven percent immediately that helped and this is what the u.n. says now because the u.n. reports on this they're being attacked in the media in the west by the way but nobody is actually talking about the contents of it so they say that the total cost of the sanctions and this is again what our guests have said like we've looked for gas i mean of course you could have turned into b.b.c. news night they had guests on every single night saying that there would be regime change that there would be collapse that there would be zero the country would

default even though there was no external debt and they were looking for current you know payments crisis they were looking for all these sort of things and that didn't happen now the u.n. looked at it and they found that there it cost one hundred fifty five billion in total about fifty five billion of it was to russia but they couldn't distinguish what whether what how much the sanctions versus the collapse in oil price had caused that the hundred billion was to european small businesses german businesses and small farmers what's going on speaking of small farmer oh my goodness george washington well you know this is especially especially troubling. folded clothes are of america. is here with us george comb over. there is this is surveying all that is his is dominion this united states of america thanks

to george two very wisely after two terms of office stepped down and had a peaceful transfer of power while unlike those british people you mention the baby say and of course they've got a huge current deficit they were unable to absorb the truth they voted for something called bridget another even in worse shape because they simply can't deal with facts anymore so again so why they went why the un looked at it so this is. the u.n. again it's not anybody but the u.n. it's united nations and they get some things wrong for us they got many things wrong throughout history but here they're just looking at the data and trying to determine what the impact was the biggest negative impact they found in russia of course is exactly what happened with sanctions and iraq sanctions and cuba sanctions and north korea is of those living under the poverty line some of the most vulnerable population groups the seven to sixteen year old age group women of working age and pensioners are reported to have been most affected so the negative

impacts hit the most vulnerable as they always do and that's one of the arguments always from the you know the people that are genuine left will always argue against sanctions because of that whereas michelle obama on this women getting slammed nothing main economic players but it's sexist sanctions because it hurts women and the vulnerable most in america the same didn't bother of mine this kind of sexism in the form also used quite embarrassing for anyone who would support a more nuanced approach and so here there they go into the reasons why the impact of economic sanctions on the enjoyment of human rights this is words from the u.n. was not more severe in the country seem related to the following facts and these are important for anybody operating within our economic or financial system whether you're an individual who gets cut off from the banking system on banks whether you're an individual who has now had their data hacked by equifax the lessons

learned drawn from these points that the u.n. points out about how a nation survives economic sanctions and attack how any individual could do the same the same sovereign principles apply so the government applied very effectively a counter-cyclical policy by letting the ruble float and by increasing the share of the state sector to substitute for the sanction imposed ban on foreign funds. for the corporate sector beyond thirty days by reducing considerably the rate of inflation through conservative management of the economy and by ex post compensation of inflation losses incurred by pensioners remember constantine and economist who's now a professor in california said exactly that he said they're using very conservative economic policies and it will work he got attacked by that if you look at the comments people were like you know your kremlin bought or something like that to him but the un is saying yes now three years later we can say for a fact that that worked did was the right thing take the pain now.

you'll recover quicker the same principle that a lot of people many of our guests said should have been applied to the u.s. economy when we were financially attacked by the banks in two thousand and seven two thousand and eight well i mean those countries and his debt like the u.s. always going to attack countries that are virtually no debt like russia i think that's the basis of so well ok that actually the u.n. article the u.n. study does start out saying that this is the first time you can on mic sanctions have been applied against an integrated developed economy in a globalized world that it's usually against countries that are like cuba or syria or north korea that aren't part of the globalized world so this is why they were also quite interested in studying what happened and and what the impact was they said that the diversification of the economy away from oil was given new impetus so that was good in that it led to long term growth and that was something that was needed they had to be pushed into it well so i can jump in there you know when times are visited moscow and talk to folks over there that was always

a number one concern the curse of oil because if prices go up and you get lazy and not diversify because you are making huge gains on the oil then when the price went down you know you're in panic mode and you need to pump more oil to get over the panic mode so the diversification of the russian economy never came but these sanctions forced diversification so thank you very much to sanctions so they say import substitution which would be. you mentioned the siberian cam and bear they also said that policy was quickly introduced to pivot to asia that helped out and in terms of the oil sector they also refined that they say that there was an emphasis on research was increased returning to an earlier stage when and many sectors including space technology the russian federation was at the forefront as should be noted that according to russian officials cooperation with the united states in advanced space technology was maintained including for the supply of engines for space craft despite the ban on the export of advanced drilling technology by the united states this enabled the russian federation to enhance its

oil production in the arctic by developing its own capacities for horizontal drilling i.e. fracking and its production of shale oil for which i have previously relied on foreign partners so again they close on saying that one hundred billion was mostly due to like losses for danish farmers or farmers or french farmers or german industry and that this is. maybe something that should be reconsidered because it's hurting european partners perhaps more right the fans got hurt more by these sanctions and i mean i don't think that the u.s. should be competing with russia in the fracking business i think the u.s. should focus on renewables and really lead the world in renewables because of fracking industry i think is a legacy technology that we should try to move away from but the u.s. seems to be balances lock horns in the energy past with this huge oil and bombers fighting each other politically economically and again if you go to a gunfight with a knife which seems to be the case with the us against russia in the oil business like i do well that's old fashioned it's going out of and i'm saying if you like us

and you know in terms of electric cars for example a big story out of little tiny britain was dice and ice is coming out with a revolutionary new electric car who knows you might come up with something so unique like you revolutionize the hand dryer question well you know wake up and realize the cryptocurrency blocks and revolution as we've been saying for many years on this show. they'll follow suit and i once again will be leading the xor of the economic engine of growth and russia i can safely say it is all due to the show while we have to go to the second half after this break and time to what i just said because a lot of it i just made up. with a new factor to send to the public will. when the really close is

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welcome back to the kaiser report. herbert max kaiser is not here i have hijacked the set and i'm here with eric for he's of shapeshifting thanks for having me on you and your surprise i thought you thought max is going to hear i've never know what you're butyl be but i'm happy to see either of you so you were on kaiser report years ago talking about shapeshifting for those who missed that episode and maybe some out there who missed it what is shapeshifts and how much as a grown in those years yes without interview was in early twenty fifteen and ship it was just a year and a half old at that point now or three and a half years old three years old chip is basically a digital asset exchange so it's a way for individuals to convert one set into another like bitcoin into a theorem or dash into like coin anything that exists on the block chain as an

asset or a token of can support we don't convert any kind of money we don't convert any and we feel toilet papers like the federal reserve notes or the euro so just watch it assets so the fact that you don't convert into fiat's does that mean that there's less regulations on you was that for regulatory reasons or was that because you actually believe in just dealing in digital currencies you want to on bank yourself so yes two reasons one is i think the future will be one in which few currency starts to go away it will be out competed in the marketplace by a block chain based technologies. so i want to build something that would be big in the future not not building it for what currently exists but what will exist in the future and. the financial regulations tend to be oriented around money

dollars and euros and so by avoiding touching any of that stuff we avoided a lot of the regulations. in most jurisdictions however the f.c.c. has just come down with a statement on initial clean offerings and any exchanges offering the tokens do you have any tokens on the chip chip with a lot of tokens on shapeshifter we don't have any securities this is a shift yeah so you were already planning ahead for that you are a thief you know we're smart enough to figure some of these are securities yeah why i've had i had my own run in with the f.c.c. many years ago so i i'm always very much aware of you know them trying to impose their will on people and. anyone who follows the token world knows that some some tokens are very much securities they promise profits or dividends or voting rights or things like that many other tokens are definitely not securities like theory of itself or big question and there's a lot of stuff in the gray area and the f.c.c. has not done anything to clarify where it draws the line all they've done is

basically point to one of those very clearly security tokens the dow took in which we. haven't even been around for over a year and they said that was the security so that was the surprise to anyone and shape shift didn't have securities on the site before and you know we review it a little more closely now after that as you see letter but i don't think it'll change much of what we're doing what is your impression of the overall market started as kind of a trickle and now it's like a deluge of ice you know it's i can't figure one out from the other yeah so it's a it's a total bubble right now it's an absolute speculative bubble but that doesn't mean that the fundamental mechanism of raising money through a token offering is illegitimate i think it's a great way for projects either you know nonprofits or organizations or protocols or for profit companies to raise lots of money often without dilution so that's that's great and i think people are so excited about this new means of financing

that they get a little crazy and. that's ok that'll clear out of the bubble will pop and people will start to be a little more careful with which projects the invest in but it's a very valid model and i think it's going to change how finance works all over the world there certainly seems to be a lot of pent up demand by those who are not considered sophisticated qualified investors you have to have a couple hundred thousand more or two million in the bank or something and you have to invest in the yeah so the s.c.c. in the united states takes a strange position in which only wealthy people are allowed to invest only they are smart enough only they are smart enough and it's extremely paternalistic and i would say highly unethical to legally prevent certain sectors of society from investing especially when you're protecting the rich people and only giving them the ability to invest in the earliest start ups i think that's horrendous however early start ups have

a high failure rate yeah they're worse one must expect that you if you buy fifty tokens for example thirty of them might just disappear but the other yeah most new companies most new projects most new ideas and most new tokens are going to fail and not be worth anything that's ok that's that's how experimentation works but to preclude everyone from true from making those decisions for themselves as adults i think is is the an ethical part they don't mind them buying lottery tickets and yeah chances of losing on the lottery are way higher right it's the state governments will it will sell lottery tickets in which you will definitely lose and which are catered to the very poorest people in the world or not in the world but in the us they're allowed to buy lottery tickets and lose all their money doing that but they're not allowed to invest in a new start up that's crazy and hopefully that is one of the hypocrisy crypto technology will help reveal so there are so many tokens so many new companies there is

a lot of attention now and all across the mainstream media when we first talked to you even in twenty fifteen. hardly anybody in the mainstream media was talking about big or anything in the crypto space that everybody has it is more attention is pulling in a lot more people in terms of the bubble aspect could you like in some of this too like the dot com bubble there were a lot of every company put dot com after their name in order to increase their valuation and maxes in the dot com industry back at that point and the more you are losing the more valuable you are because you're spending rate was high and therefore you must be taken up in volume. so do you see that sort of situation that a lot of what we see right now will be like sort of quaint historical momentos of those tokens of those companies that existed yeah i think some of the pros in the future people will look back and go i can't believe that project or one hundred million dollars or billion dollars. but that's that's fine you know i think as much as you can spend time with people telling them how important is technology is and

how much it changes the fundamental structure of finance they won't listen or care until they own somin the price starts rising and then they will care and then they will watch and they will learn so the fact that there are these bubbles that happen in this cryptocurrency industry i think actually pulls a lot of people in and gets them interested for for better or worse because it seems like for some people the only reason that they care is when the prices going up yeah but also the on the other side is as soon as you engage in currency in encrypted currency or blotching then you start to understand it like it would have been like for example in the dot com era sense where i was comparing it to that like had you just bought dot com stocks and never got on the internet never sent an email didn't know what the internet was when you were just buying things to go up but here at the actual process of participating you get to understand the system isn't in first entry it's like getting your email or equivalent and getting online getting

a browser yeah and so of all the new people that are getting involved because the prices are rising. so portion of them will just leave when the prices fall again but another portion will actually realize that this is changing the world and they will stay involved and they will start contributing to the projects and you know they will be part of this growing ecosystem so i was back to this girl at this conference up in aspen i talked to this woman and she has a crypto company now and she said you know it was i ran into you a max i groucho club two years ago and max mentioned cryptocurrency s. and i didn't know what it was and i he she had sent him a few emails and he was trying to explain it and i still didn't understand it so i just started using it and i learned that now she is a crypto currency company and yeah it's flying around the world yeah it's one of those things like a bicycle right like you can read a textbook on a bicycle and not know how to ride one you wouldn't understand it but once you do it and you go through that learning process then you get it your brain understands that new system how it works and you can use it contributing without much work

after after the initial start up so more and more people are getting comfortable with crypto and this is what helps them to leave because eventually displace currencies around the world so you know you and i have been to so many conferences back to two thousand and eleven and it's amazing to watch the progress of the sort of people that come the early twenty eleven twenty twelve it's almost exclusively you know code writers cryptographers and arco capitalist libertarians and it's amazing to see that. all these like politicians and you know bankers showing up at these conferences some people in the audience here have been asking questions isn't a bad sign that bankers are getting involved what do you say to that yeah good question so i've always been of the opinion that as big korean grows it will pull in the entire world into its orbit and that means everyone that means the people that hate banks and that means the banks themselves the banks are starting to experiment with

the technology they'll learn how to use it some of them will go extinct because they won't adopt and others were. get stronger and that's all that's all fine i'm not anti bank i'm anti fraudulent money and so to the extent the banks start using crypto assets i think that's a you know that's much better for humanity now we were just talking about the fact that once you participate might be the price going up that you want to get in on the bubble but by just participating you learn so much mind blowing technology. you mention bankers and fraud jamie dimon the c.e.o. of j.p. morgan biggest bank in america called it a fraud i found it interesting that he is saying this after involvement in a block chain consortium with these other banks so do you think he like these he could've seen exactly what it is by the process of engaging in boxing he understood exactly how much j.p. morgan stands to lose and it's in his he's incentivized to try to trash it yeah and

i think he's trashing bitcoin as if means of currency as an as an alternative to fear i think he understands that block chains have certain technical value too to j.p. morgan chase or any other company but he thinks because specifically as a as an alternative to feel is a fraud which is which is very funny considering the company he works for and how many fraud lawsuits that they've dealt with in the billions of dollars in front of this wall here so i don't know i mean he's he's not going to have a favor old boy opinion of a technology that makes him redundant. now one thing about bitcoin in the early days there was a lot of competition between miners and developers and core and big cash and all these other currencies but there was always this notion is that a store of value or is it a payment system what do you think is so far who is winning that debate which which

side is winning that debate in terms of is it a store of value or is it a means of exchange i think it's a. false dichotomy and i think because it is best if it is both things i'm not sure that that has a store of value would ever happen without it also being useful for the means of payment and vice versa they are they're not mutually exclusive because it is a great store of value and it's gone up a zillion percent against the dollar and the other fee out. and it's a great payment system i can send a million dollars to someone in china without anyone getting in the way of that transaction so it is both and it should be both and anyone who's trying to categorize it as one thing or another i think doesn't understand it very well that's a good point and thanks for being our friends are part thank you stacey well that's going to do it for this episode of the guys report with me and max kaiser and our guest eric where he is if you want to get in touch tweet us a prize report from exxon.

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