yeah max ties are this is the kaiser report you were in denver fifty two hundred eighty feet above sea level behind me is devil's peak and somebody's head famous landmarks that define the skyline and of course this is where john elway plays football casually and he did a while ago in the denver broncos of course no one cares about them anymore because of new england patriots are fricken great tom brady even talks about the denver broncos any more. talk i've ever heard about is anyone talk about that now anyway let's get into it. this is like a fighter jet so i have just been recalled i must go fight the enemy. so max by the way you did start off with

a little bit of cultural appropriation there by wearing the sunglasses you bought those at in the navajo nation gas station in new mexico in new mexico or somewhere in middle of nowhere great american pilgrimage soon coming to artsy myself stephen baldwin traveled across america on a pilgrimage looking for the real americans like simon and garfunkel on crack. yes yes that is how many people go to convenient store and there was a man there speaking navajo yeah that was the first time i've heard anybody speak a native american language it was pretty cool it's awesomely large the whole navajo region it's so big and so gorgeous and then when you cross over to colorado it's like somebody pulls up a curtain and you see a wall of money a wall of money a wall of snow amounts do a lot of this we need in mexico stop and no money at albuquerque is there of course so so they make mass methamphetamines and the mess labs according to breaking bad we look for that garage with one hundred million dollars we could find no we couldn't find that of course you know when we're going through navajo nation and it

is massive it starts in arizona in new mexico i don't know if it spreads into colorado probably not because these people are stingy with that sort of thing they don't like to share maybe buy second hand over to colorado's farming there's cell towers yes you know full homes and you know out of what they got going on over here but it's clearly make a lot of money was of oil wealth i just want to obviously this is untapped resource in the navajo nation the you know let's let the navajos break do of the treaties look for get the trainees we need these people to help make america great again want to go to the original americans the original native people they know what makes america great again but knowing the white house well that was my thought we were driving through there is i wonder what they think of this notion of make america great again and i'm sure they're like nodding like. any guys messed it up you know that was great it's a white man showed up i mean basically that was the subtext i can just see the

thought bubbles and innate into everyone's thought patterns are in there buying some beef jerky i think and. that's right make america great again that's right we told you remember chief seattle up in washington there's yeah madeleine actually yes that's a fake speech but number that's a speech should never happen not nonexistent she. i remember it or do i i don't. but the point is that he warned against the kind of in this face of. the fake speech warned against ecological devastation brought on by white guys ignoring the mother nature and i think the white guys have done a good job of going mother nature just ask those folks in puerto rico or any were used in or anywhere else going devastated by hurricanes and tornadoes that's your sunglasses now because those are off put a little audience who can't see your eyes one eight hundred why he did it. one eight hundred why he did it get your freak out for mexico's it was just all right.

on the cover of florida are we going to you know talk about stuff other than this the fake speech the fake oh yes ok so what i was saying is you know we had talked in the previous episode about puerto rico having the jones act which restricts them for what they could do because they're from the outside if people don't know the history they can look at the puerto ricans and say why is there economy in a shambles they are no good they don't work hard enough but then you find out that we have these onerous almost like sanction like you know laws on them as a colony that they can't they have to import things via u.s. made manned and flagged ships in america when we're passing through navajo nation i was like this is the most stunning landscape i've ever seen in all my years driving across america and why don't they do something like eco luxury large lodges and

charge people fifteen hundred bucks a night to stay here and just see this amazing landscape and you would see they would have a house like a trailer park a little trailer right there on the edge of a canyon with stunning scenery and i thought probably that in their treaty as like basically colonized people. well there is some law that they can do this sort of thing that they are not allowed to have any sort of economic commerce. that's what i'm assuming an open air prison like gaza and the west bank. that is the american open air prison that's apparently ok so they get to start a hotel if you're in prison if i don't i mean i can't decide to open up a krispy kreme donut franchise a little rikers island because i think all the prisoners will love these donuts well i grew up in connecticut near the mohican reservation which used to be very impoverished now it has mohegan sun which is a casino which receives more visitors and then any individual casino in las vegas

so they are able to do things i don't know how they had to get some senator or legislator to overturn some of the treaties but i don't know what the treaties are here but in terms of the rest of the u.s. economy we are often talk markets find a scandal and we have talked to a lot of bears the sort of bears that room in the rockies those beautiful rockies right behind us we're going to insert some sort of photo where you can actually see the rockies but there are the rockies right there and it's quite spectacular but this big giant cloud is covering it but that's a cloud of marijuana smoke. we have a lot of bears on the show who say everything is a disaster in the u.s. economy this is a story that is kind of god and reported so far on kai's report and that is the latest chicago p.m.i. explodes higher beats by five standard deviations everything is awesome again in chicago apparently against expectations of a lot of strout fifty eight point nine to fifty eight point seven and i's chicago

business barometer exploded higher to sixty five point two in september here's the chart you see is exploding higher things are happening and in fact the digging down into the data zero has finds that under the hood it's also awesome prices paid rose at a faster pace signaling expansion new orders. grows at a faster pace signalling expansion employment rose in the direction reverse signaling expansion inventories rues in the direction reverse signaling expansion supplier deliveries rose at a faster pace signaling expansion production rose at a faster pace signaling expansion order backlog rose at a faster pace signaling expansion business activity has been positive for twelve months over the past year number of components rising versus last month seven so the chicago p.m.i. is saying that actually this. in the trump and the tempest area in the stock market is booming that is actually trickling down something seems to be happening at least in the latest chicago p.m.i. p.m.i.

the purchasing managers' index yes manufacturing indictment which is another variation on. on the inflation index right on consumer index c.p.i. yeah and you know what is janet yellen but trying to don't. like an inflation index of the wholesale level yet so it's showing prices are going up right to play leverage orders are increasing deliveries are increasing it's not just prices yet like orders are coming and people want more and they want this give it give it give it give it to us like things are happening ok so if the economy's increasing in velocity that we've been saying for a while that is novel aussie that means that interest rates are going to go up because if the demand for credit is going higher than the price of credit that is to say an interest rate is going to go higher if the demands going higher despite all the efforts of the central banks to kill the economy by keeping bankers solvent when they should have been declared bankrupt years ago the index is showing that

interest rates are going to go higher this means two things number one property market's going to crash and number two bond market's going to crash the stock market might not crash as such but it will probably do poorly but interest rates have been the genie that have been kept in the bottle through now by some estimates twenty five trillion dollars worth of fine. anshul. that is to say moving money from savers and workers to bankers on wall street if that starts unwind in an aggressive manner then the bond market collapse that i've been mis forecasting for five years now. many people have been mis forecasting it for thirty seven years well at least five years some ten years but every so every financial pundit in the financial punditry space has been wrong about bonds for a good five years but you know much just might be the bond pocalypse we've been waiting for to be fair none of them imagined that central

bankers would get sued jury and blow away all the textbooks and do things like quantitative easing negative interest rates not at that was never in any realm obviously they weren't imaginative enough these people who were bearish on on bonds who thought that the bond market would collapse they didn't predict they never could see into the mind even some of the like the the people who already see central bankers as crazy they didn't think they were that whacked they thought that was not even possible i never saw a native interest rates yet and nobody saw of the e.c.b. which is the old bull in this bank and the german central bank becoming a money printing you know nut case given their track record with inflation that led to such a horrible horrible this of the last century but that all happened now you mentioned that if interest rates start to rise i want to quickly in the last two minutes here i want to know less than two minutes i'm going to mention that we're in denver obviously because you can see those. the rockies no you can't but the rockies are

there so the u.s. cities with the biggest housing bubbles so we have the term housing bubble to describe the housing market that peaked in two thousand and six and implode in a spectacular effects has been gradually fading out of use the current theme is that years of asset price inflation have healed the housing market and that the crazy peak of housing bubble one is now. just some sort of normal base oh my well he shows this is from wall street dot com and he shows this is one of the booming is towns in america this they kind of missed out on the last housing bubble this is two thousand and six this is their forty four percent above in real terms house prices here well as it happens when you mix easy credit with marijuana ok we've got people down to. smoking a big bed to be saying you know let me two million dollars for this garage my neighbor wants to sell me with complete with a tri circle and the bankers like. the credit line she's got the credit munchies

and then that you know the credibility is i followed by the credit you know down the down slope on the down low you know get down on the down low you know i recommend if you're suffering from the down were trajectory post credit munchie credit default swap induced nightmare play a lot of parliament funkadelic you know the funk or james brown because that's what gets you back into your funky space brings you back up to the good foot on that one we are the want. on that note we got to go the second half they were there. i have the absolute conviction that the two d. europe old duke. and russia have

a common interest to look at closer cooperation and this is why i seem to be so important to mobilize the driving force into business community but also we in culture entertainment and sports we need to you know to bring it to two societies much closer. it's taken these children's homes. now it threatens to take their

future. the volcano here could erupt again at any time. most people have a stark choice. live in poverty. or joining. but some are following a different. moving forward. my point was that a lot.

welcome back to the kaiser report with me stacy herbert max kaiser is on the road with stephen baldwin i am here with alan brown author web of debt we get to speak in person we're up in aspen great to be here and where you have al the issues sickness and i didn't notice that the jews yeah i had some of the early days i had it dizzy so but you know you came in from los angeles and i want to talk to you about something happening there that you've been talking about for a long time and i know this because of my friend alex shaffer the artist of burning banks fame well he's been very excited about the fact that apparently there's some sort of legislation passed or a motion passed and the los angeles assembly about creating a public bank yes in this city of l.a. so be an l.a. city bank and why and they're well they're two big reasons for the push one is that

there is this big divest movement where they wanted to do it was a bunch of young people love these young people they've got so much enthusiasm and the troops. because i was there as many reformers are. these people right here only here on whether or not an opioid. hopefully anyways so there is a movement to divest from wells fargo of course as in many other cities which have actually passed what was it why were they saying we got to get rid of wells fargo ok because they did these two million accounts for one thing and they were forcing the employees to do this or else. leave and so some of those people were actually wells fargo employees. and so they managed to get. the city council to agree to today divest from wells fargo but then the question is where do you put your money if you don't put it in wells fargo and so the obvious answer is

a public bank really they're no they're being set want. big city money any more that you know there actually winds up well based on really lend their deposits and they use the republic and then you know they just they just create the money first and then if they need to liquidate liquidity they can go to the repo market or wells fargo is a california bank. i know they have the stagecoach on the side you know it's west that is a good point and the other thing that's motivating it is this whole push for a cannabis drink. january first cannabis is legal for the shops will be open for anybody to buy not just medical cannabis and so they're anticipating a seven billion dollar business and one billion dollars in taxes this is a thing that has gone so crazy since i lived overseas for twenty years and since i

came back never things like amsterdam here. well that's in the states and then you have this fed thing see that their federal state. it's going to be very difficult to set up a cannabis bank they've tried it in colorado and the feds have just they just want to allow it and of course you need to be in the federal system to be a bank. that was have a public bank they want to create there is a public bank of north dakota north dakota we have one on the wednesday don't bank by california has a bank but it's an infrastructure bank it's not a depository bank it doesn't take deposits and so this create money on their books which is what we're talking about so this public bank in los angeles would take deposits there is two. lines of thought and that the bank of north dakota model takes like two percent. individual deposits mostly it's the state's own deposits so it's really a bank it's really

a banker they partner with the local banks and then the local banks go out and find the customers and do all that they give low cost loans but they largely. operate through the local banks and that's the model that we've talked about but if you're going to take cannabis cash that's you've got to change your model but there are a lot of downside to that too so they're kind of two factions still working that out so that state treasurer had a big piano. and setting up a state owned banks specifically for taking the cannabis cash because they want to tax money and there were many. great testimony but there were two opponents and the one that was quite compelling unfortunately it was that bankers association in colorado and he said we wanted those deposits i mean these are in that this is not a banker objecting to a public bank he said we really try to get those deposits and the feds just when it wouldn't allow it i mean if you want to be in the federal system that that was

under obama's fab now we have trump but jeff sessions runs well cracking down. get worse. so it seems to me that the real answer it's got to be litigation or congress i mean either congress has got to change that or we should litigate on states' rights because there are a lot of states raised issues right now the feds have really gone overboard in taking over everything that the states used to do like regulate banks for when you used to have a state bank regulator and now it's all but of course in the constitution many people like ron paul who's just outside the store right now he will talk about the fact that the constitution mentions gold and silver as money but really what it was about was about the states the federal government didn't want the states. creating huge debt that might draw draw the us into war as a nation because one nation one state goes bust and therefore if you're going to issue any debt it had to be backed by gold or silver so how does the public bank

fit into that sort of model of not wanting to create too many overseas debt obligations or whatever well that would be at a federal level but i think they should turn the federal reserve truly federal bank for me right now it's just. it's composed of twelve branches all of which are one hundred percent owned by the banks in their district led by the new york federal reserve which is obviously wall street so they pretty much control the banking system but. if it were actually designed to then required to serve the interest of the public not just preserve the banks so that we actually had a public bank i think that they should lend directly to the government it's been done before right now they have they have to they can only they can only buy government bonds on the on the open market which means that the wall street banks or the bond dealers get their cut and and then what the federal reserve

holds in terms of debt they return the interest to the government there's this whole concern about well even though right now we're at a crypto currency conference so yeah i was just going to actually go to that because you're talking about the wall street banks control the whole monetary system here in the united states so it appears the people came up with their own end run around it and said if like begging officials and lobbying government to please change the law please let us have a public bank please let us have a more like get outside of the wall street banks we don't want to pay them a toll every time we engage in our economy what do you think about crypto currency in terms of what structures have you seen there i don't know how new or not you are and how long you've been following the cryptocurrency sector but how did. you think it might center public bank model last. removing power from wall street well wait particularly interesting i don't know where you would actually put first

a bit but the whole cryptocurrency black chain. distributed ledgers ledgers i'm not sure that you can even use a distributed that i mean i've read that different banks say that that the distributed ledger wouldn't really work for commercial trades if you're talking about one global distributed letter because it's slow and expensive but you can have like sort of blocks of ledgers that then speaker. each other and this would definitely simplify things i mean just for the banks' own interest they're doing it now i think there's seventy five banks that have signed up to ripple or whatever so there's a wrinkle now i think you know makers love lawsuits really i don't know. it's how they operate everything we can strawman with them and then talk about essential being digital currency which i think is actually a good idea from the point of view of the central bank currently issues five

percent of the money which is paper money and that's it and then they have their own digital currency but it only banks are allowed to bank with this with the federal well certainly with a block chain sort of system like i'm sure you saw because this is a sort of story you follow that the bank of international settlements central bank for central bankers recently just announced in the past few weeks like oh by the way there might be fourteen or thirteen trillion dollars more debt than we thought there was and that's because we forgot to add all these four x. derivatives and like you know like all of the block chain everything's yes so it would be marvelous that you could track that's a nice if it talks about this forty trillion dollars that have gone missing or twenty one thousand nine hundred. ninety i mean if you can't track it back at least you could track a forward it can't happen again you could make things transactions very fast so you don't have all this counterparty risk in different ways you can sure you could get

rid of a lot of derivatives the derivatives that are all about changes in you know the value of money just in the time it takes for a transaction here in the united states it's like the banking system is way less advanced than europe even india even or kenya yeah because they didn't have to break through this big in frustration actually coming back here from europe which doesn't have the legacy of the powerful very very power. for bankers even the united kingdom is not as powerful as the british as the american bankers so here it's so slow like molasses and old fashioned it's that's been the hardest to get used to being back here other than the health care system and i don't know why if people could understand like how much easier faster and smoother it is in the rest of the world i don't know but you know i don't see how jamie diamond i know he's leading

a campaign against big coyness of i think he understands what the threat of a big point is to his model. but you see it being stopped here where if they had any sense they'd leave it alone pat i know i'm on a panel coming up next and the first question is what should the central banks do about crypto currencies well if the question is should i would say do nothing and you know that the market decide that but what they probably will do is either regulate it. for example the chinese have now said no more i see those which are the equivalent of initial public offerings but it's initial coin offerings which aren't regulated so and the security six and exchange commission i guess is going to regulate that and i think china's coming out with their own crypto that's. a lot of countries i think are coming out with their own central bank digital currency which would be good in the sense that it's easier to do fiscal stimulus good for

them and it's good it's actually a good way to do the the dollar and we've only got five percent money anyway and you're not going to i mean you have a rebellion on your hands if you try to get rid of the five percent i think but the ninety five percent is already digital i mean it's already somewhere in bank accounts it would be if if if the fed opened up both its lending window and its deposit window for the general public so that we could all bank there they've got a deep pocket we don't get rid of the insurance we can get rid of that part of the repo market is just there to service. people that have more than to interfere and you know that the fines and stuff that have more than two hundred fifty thousand dollars and they're looking for a place to put their money i mean there just so many more efficiencies you can get rid of bank runs and well that's a good way to end this episode i hear ron paul trying to get into this room take over our room here so thank you so much allan brown for being on the kaiser part ok

time to read a bit here herbert report you like that he did. that's. as for this episode of the kaiser report with me stacy her and max kaiser thanks for a guest ellen brown author web of debt if you'd like to get in touch with us tweet us likewise report until next time. and it always gives you know you go into you going to church oh you're also the you know mr milosevic told you. so in another bizarre that in turn it be that the. little you have. to go to work your way you do it just to believe all of this blows the glad i wish had gone but the time the number there at the end seems nobody can take on the. seal so i or my got up

out of the line down because you know i was going to go in the state of being pulled into not a blue stone room rather sure. you know is. he in. somewhere. europe has to either change or cease to exist people who work in this building the e.u. headquarters should change the rules set up the european union would have to work on fewer issues both with better results it should be paying more attention to protecting external borders fighting against terrorists curbing illegal immigration as well as harmonizing economic policies and judicial systems otherwise the europe we have today's tool would transformed into a strange loose community of twenty seven countries with nothing in common.

economic development is all about numbers really pleased to report this quarter we are one hundred six point two. but what do we know about the other figures. when i think about the fact that i see mike do. over twenty million dollars last year more than one thousand times the average walmart is that. with all due respect i have to say i don't think that's right. is that just how a free market works. people went from pretty simple financial lives pre nine hundred eighty to the point now where people are the just totally submerged in their financial accounts and they're all in debt and what exactly divided society

from the whatever the government tried to do. it might be making things worse. by saying this is not work this is. hopelessly disastrously wrong. top stories independents pressure launch a petition as they fear the region's officials to declare independence from spain after last sunday's referendum which told me. yes. the country.