tv Going Underground RT October 9, 2017 10:29am-11:01am EDT
10:29 am
i'm after newtown so we're going underground fifty years to the day of the u.s. backed assassination of argentine revolutionary change of our a coming up in the show why is nato not bombing madrid just save barcelona we ask a member of britain's parliamentary group on catalonia what atrocities he witnessed last week when eighty years ago international brigades for fascism and from playing judy garland in the end of the rainbow around the world to the coppers it's hollywood sometimes star carlotta campion in follies at the royal national theatre award winning actor tracy bello told coronation street to j. edgar hoover was shoot you're only killing a man the apparent last words of che guevara before he was shot dead by cia forces in bolivia on this day nine hundred sixty seven we speak to take of ours brother
10:30 am
about the persecution of his family and the adjoining legacy of one of history's most famous revolutionaries all the more coming up in today's going underground but first catalonia in spain is the location of arguably one of the most critical flashpoints of the modern age of twenty tens of thousands of volunteers from fifty three countries went to fight british and american backed fascists in spain the volunteers from britain in the international regain were monitored by the defacto pro franco u.k. spy agency m i five which was supposed to be neutral they were members of the communist party and at that time that was seen by much of the establishment as the main threat to be concerned about. m i five were charged with keeping tabs on anybody really that was a communist once the spanish civil war broke out obviously they were very concerned because they were stoned simply being neutral they want they were very concerned these people might go to spain and fight for the public weapon sales from now nato nations would lead to the failure of the international brigades to win. against
10:31 am
spain's fascists and the defeat is seen by some as the precursor to tens of millions dying in world war two and the holocaust but this week catalonia is again fighting in spain backed by european powers today's democratic session of the catalan parliament has been blocked by the so-called socialist party of spain arguably a blairite new liberal party focused on preventing catalan independence the significance of the banning of democracy today in spain was not lost on financial t.v. channels weary of independence movement supposed to the new liberal order just talk to us about the significance of this for those not accustomed to spanish politics like you south what this really means for the current debate that's right this is the crucial development of workers get any of your member the referendum that happened gave according to the catalan region administration the mandate to enact a law that would create a republic within forty eight hours however the regional president cannot do and it's got to be to parliament enact that so basically what we're getting here is that monday dispassion that was not going to happen so again if they were empowered
10:32 am
to enact it they just simply can't well joining me now is the shadow defense spokesperson of another independence movement the scottish national party douglas chapman has just been to catalonia and he's speaking to us from his buddies on your lot in the conference and head of his leader nicholas sturgeon speech in glasgow tomorrow thanks so much douglas recovering on the show disturbing trip with the shadow justice spokesperson joined cherry to monitor the intimidation going on in spain. well i certainly was than they were apart from seventeen nations delegation to catalonia to this will actually happen during the referendum process and obviously some of the scenes that it's all your viewers already picked up on were absolutely disgusting in terms of the level of violence used by the state police but obviously been under political orders from a gent he did surprise you and your fellow delegates that there wasn't something sooner from the european commission or the european presidency or any other
10:33 am
european union institution to condemn what the nine hundred about the injured no other as you say a huge number of people who were injured and you know very upset by the experience that they had quite clear that we expected the european commission to condemn the violence and you know why we realize that and recognize that spain is the member states of the e.u. the people of kashmir and also have the right of self determination and we thought that maybe naively that the first step then to support their cause now some people might think it's a long shot he had to compare these things but costs of oh did have a referendum and e.u. and nato forces came to the rescue of course of against yugoslavia why isn't nato bombing madrid. well. you know the position i think is
10:34 am
completely different but the why would say is that under no circumstances should people going to a natural business of voting for the future of their own country should be subjected to violence in this way this can be a peaceful process if people in the table wanted to be a peaceful process but at the moment they're only seems to be one one party who are interested in conducting the in a peaceful way and scimitar seem to be determined that you know they will not lose catalonia at any cost we will wait and see what happens you know over the next few days if you detect from even cattle lands who oppose independence that the sight of these hundreds of people being injured and police spanish national police taking away ballot boxes was meant as a lesson to people right across europe and they better not seek autonomy. well. i
10:35 am
mean the madrid did use the word disobedience and their early statements. but what the actions don't have was a. real sense that people want to go out and vote so whatever tactics majid used mostly by fire in the day and a lot of people who probably were on the ball at one way or the other and independents. voted because they felt that there was a. will need to show that you know they wanted to vote you see over the united states mainstream media like the amazon washington post characterizes this whole situation in spain this way it says the only people that even supporting these kinds of movements are the separatist groups scotland the pariah state of venezuela and that russia and its intelligence agencies and russian propaganda services well again the catalan government major commitment to the people that would have
10:36 am
a referendum on the first of october the people who were in a region in which it to determine their own self-determination but who in future for their own country and it was quite clear that stage that you know that process should be going to hate unhindered and you know people have their own take on who the see things in the region what's the thing that different things into this but this is a very simple process it was of deciding. an atheist future country's future and that's what it was all a vote and quite honestly violence of that that each of the written test on sunday is not part of that process at all and just finally presumably there will be lots of activists at the conference in glasgow wanting a second referendum or at least trying to catalyze the conditions for a second referendum will the catalonia of inspired them. well you know every every time you have a conference the issue of independence runs like
10:37 am
a golden thread that runs through everything that we do. whether that we are in a call during our conference for another referendum at this stage is the beatable but i think what will happen is that it will be strong condemnation of the actions of of majed and the violence the used it in the process and i think will also be a call for peace and mediation between the two parties with catalonia and spain to see if a sensible arrangement and the negotiated arrangement can be a writer but what's happened thank you. thank you. well hollywood have its committees to defend catalonia from fascism in the one nine hundred thirty s. the revival of stephen sondheim's follies playing in london till january reminds packed audiences of our femoral not only showbiz stars can be but their audiences to release between the wars joining me now is one of the stars of the musical
10:38 am
follies just before this production she toured the world from britain to broadway and beyond with end of the rainbow about the tragic last days of i call judy garland with me is a multi olivier award winning actor tracy bennett who sings the song i'm still here a radical denunciation of political witch hunts in the usa tracy thanks for coming on going to go before we get to the torch song i'm still here what got you interested in the revival of the original one act version of follies and i want to get in the n.t. live because we're filming it live which is really scary but in theater that is live but there's a different element with cameras and that's an event of the thick stink so we've got all the cameras in and then it's going to be brought and then it's going to be broadcast in new york in london in britain all over the world globally on november the sixteenth and i've been lucky recently terry johnson directing me and. and the national theatre has to love that as a cause so much of it is being destroyed for crossrail you know you two are the
10:39 am
world you see gentrification all the time but in the plot of this musical it's too late for the it's too late sometimes you'll fall the million eight hundred thirty eight two hundred thirty i'm thirty eight yeah that's when i was a young folly and i'm a very old folly but i think it was called the massacre of broadway i think where they just ripped five major theaters down so yes this is in one nine hundred seventy warm and they're turning it into a office block an office block which of course is happening everywhere your character is very different to argue with all the other characters who is carlotta campion cole la to come here she was a folly girl. chorus she had a number which was caught. so she's obviously like mediocre but she had something and she was picked out from the chorus to be a movie star so she then went off to l.a.
10:40 am
and became this big movie star and you you've done not better big malone's in the base to be you have got in trouble for communism and the j. edgar hoover little and president hoover my character has been accused of being a commie. which upsetter obviously and she just got drunk by a pool to get over because it destroyed people's lives in every single way and careers they just they just were dead after that but i don't know whether you know this but donald trump tweeted that he loves judy garland the judy garland who said defended actors and said. this is show business and resented the ideas of people in show business being accused of being an american but bogart and there were a lot because they were left of it if you like in their terms. socialist but then that's very confusing with communism and then but do you think donald
10:41 am
trump saw you in early did clearly there is going to pull me in i'll be working with i don't know you don't know because it gives a lot to do they go out against current show business because of course hollywood is known as being pretty empty term and said it's not the same judy garland was a real star controversial comment they're all stars it depends what you like isn't it box office of the star whoever makes the money trump has proposed massive cuts to the arts we've seen lots of cuts here to. everybody really smaller theaters music lessons well i mean that was you already what would you say to people to say well we money is a lot of the bankers rather than fear for what well in my simplistic terms think about a world with none of it. no music no radio no movies no operas new musical theater no plate no theater whatsoever won't think of
10:42 am
a world without law you can't go in you can't put the radio on there's nothing. there it's it's ridiculous not to from the un they go to see those shows who just find the europeans over there was watch t.v. of all time in this country what why do you think in this age or into the draw way things on you tube some of the whole of britain would be mourning. his door nuclear very dark within coronation street or because it's the human being thing current history is the star of course but the strong women in the street is known for that and peter wally and john in the day used to write magnificent comedy pathos and if you could do comedy unpaid for office they would write even more for you and that's the store of the working class of britain which is our heritage in part and so very dig up to the imagination because oh fully that we're lation shit you know this is it. was genius really and they could do it and so or go by
10:43 am
liz last year. they'll never be another you can't have another baby doc worth you can't another older aunt and you know i'm saying there's always a first of its type and so they will always be remembered as part of our heritage culture wise drizzy better thank you. after the break how does she give us speak to millions around the world fifty years to the day that u.s. backed forces killed him we get to watch in china just because shake of ours brother one much needed all the civil coming up in pod too i'm going underground. apply for many clubs over the years so i know the game inside guides. football isn't only about what happens on the pitch for the final school it's about the passion from the fans it's the age of the super money kill the narrowness and
10:44 am
spending two hundred twenty million and one player. it's an experience like nothing else on to because i want to share what i think what i know about the beautiful game played great so one more chance with. a nice minute. it's taken these children's homes. now threatens to take their future. the volcano here could erupt again at any time. most people have a strong choice. but
10:45 am
some are following a different. lead . that boy. that's a. welcome back at fifty years today since the cia backed assassination of che guevara but you wouldn't know it from demonstrations by the ninety nine percent that continue all around the world to use his image as inspiration for working people of all countries che said as much when he's reputed to have stand its ass and in the face to tell him to shoot because he was only killing a man the implication being that it was impossible to kill his vision for international communism here he is in algeria as the united states was killing
10:46 am
maybe up to four million civilians in vietnam giving one of his last speeches before he left to catalyze revolution in bolivia. or whatever we have. the right to take a. look there were a bit. of that but i don't know if i'm. fairly . very private security or a very large. form for your victim or your. you
10:47 am
know you got. well joining us now from logic time capital one osiris is one martine who have chase brothers memoir chain my brother brings the legendary revolutionary back to life thanks so much my team for coming on the show daughter later was on this program and said health care was a human right what do you think she would say about cuban doctors now helping islands affected by climate change and the hurricanes but. more of that may say that well human medicine has advanced incredibly in the us and shade left in one hundred sixty five and he would be amazed by the level of competence and solidarity presents black dots today. i mean that's really the idea that and before we get to your brother in more detail you are in a way a live accidentally because of something that mrs thatcher did here in britain by recapturing the mail that's. alive to have to have written
10:48 am
this book. well it's very hard to lie since many of my comrades and militants have lost their lives sometimes i think it's up to chance all the times i think it might have been some other kind of employer and. in reality i can't tell you with certainty what is the reason i am alive. and tell me about how the u.s. backed argentine dictatorship affected your family we're going to leave. it up but. well there have been different stages of dictatorship in argentina we've never really had a truly open democracy or if we date it was very short lived you must be referring to the dictatorship of the one nine hundred seventy six when the day law and viola were in power the outcome of it was i spent eight years in jail. thirty thousand
10:49 am
deaths policy to ten thousand tortured in jail because a social breakdown. they saw we thought of. you in africa border and then after the beginning of the pink tide we saw the kirshner's run. in your book you say there's no street still in the city you're in going to fire is named after your brother che we're not really. good. i think is more recognized and accepted outside of argentina it's clear it's because both his character and beliefs are considered to be dangerous so it's best to hide in a cult or in other places as well they've tried for many years to hide his and especially his ideas. and you know. even.
10:50 am
oh. yes of course for example not long ago they tried to name a nest. but the commission which reviews these projects before they became legislation had a very negative response that is for a reason he's a contentious carrots influences young people which is bad for the government noire were not at all what do you think your mother would think of that in twenty seventeen it's clear in the book that she's a huge influence and she in a way to which you and your brother to be political but not only. do you think my mother was the only one who influenced stuff but i don't think it was not only her but rather the whole family i think any of the members of the family were also interested in politics of course it was also the context in which
10:51 am
we lived what would my mother say well she was a militant like myself and she would always support shay's beliefs or. i mean that you and your mother went to jail as well. yes she was in jail that's what we call it dictates and a soft dictatorship after resigned after he was removed from government came to power that's when my mother returned from keep i was the accused of conspiring against the government i was sent to a woman's jail for a few months after that she would turn to produce and would you say that your childhood was bohemian rather than rich. when i really had no no. well in reality i can't really call it by he mean because people always said our
10:52 am
family was well off our socratic. however that's not how it was we've had a tough life with very few material possibility at least in my experience so we want exactly me and my background was straight small town people and of course education because i get an education i was the only one of my brothers he didn't go to university. i finished school but nothing more. while che finished his medical studies he would tease you or relatives your grandmother signing letters off with your call being this grandson. i mean yes we had everyone in my family for instance there were members of the military. community. and once when he was
10:53 am
already a famous commanding keep i remember her saying i don't know why people. is a communist he's such a good boy. now. you know we we know the name chiquita fruit label it was once the united fruit what did united fruit in guatemala mean to change of our development we're not. going to. quit but it may go well. it's a before and after that's where he really starts to come to life as a revolutionary willing to take up fight against north american imperialism which was hiding behind united fruit. when people started to criticize. him and his fights and the leaving the family home whether it was on the famous motorcycle diaries time whether it was their model or whether it was to even to miami in
10:54 am
florida. you could part of that was whenever he'd come back ever since he was a kid he'd gone adventures with one of his cousins. after he rode four thousand five hundred kilometers on his motorbike while he was studying medicine as a nurse on oil tanker after again he traveled on his motorbike to chile. another gate on a graph. eventually here brought the united states in his last trip he went through and probably got to keep he really was the biggest child in our family. who were there where it meant there might be ok to it or not. but it seems so many times the newspapers reported that your brother had died how did the family cope with this it was presumably propagand deliberately trying to. and the name to
10:55 am
give a how did the family cope with these many times it was reported when everybody who was in this room. who are well first news of his death came out when he writes keep on the grandma after they've said so many times that the guerrilla fighters had died and amongst them the argentinian doctor he wasn't sure yet he was and. since he became shea a much has been say especially after one hundred sixty five when he left the government and parted from peter there was constant news about him being dead or being in one place or another we always heard things that were quite sad. and then fidel castro secretly invited you and your mother to have her know when. the. revolutionaries and. the cuban capital. know if we're going to be don't show up at those you know more yes in reality he didn't exactly invite
10:56 am
the bloody battista dictatorship which had left many people in x. so across latin america so the government chartered an airplane to take them back. on the plane as fidel had delegated to him the task of bringing. in exile in argentina venezuela and ecuador. and then what did it feel like you i think you were fifteen years old seeing your brother now the. politician the head of the central bank of cuba. yes when we arrived to havana in one thousand nine hundred fifty nine it was ten days off because he had left the government so it was very recent at that point cuba was mobilized and. of course having left because to my parents he was. tiny and i started. having left. a meeting with. a very strong experience i'd say it was shocking and i still remember
10:57 am
the moment when him. and spent a couple of minutes hugging me. and what did you feel when you heard about the cia backed as a nation of your brother. well if it wasn't cia the cia but it was the believing army that execute the assassination. was in charge. it was the army general in bolivia the cia was directing it it was the believe in me to actually carried it out we only learned about it lights because what was being said at the time was that he died in combat and not assassinated you know where does it make any difference today the dog. trump is trying to tear up the obama deal on cuba. in reality has many problems more serious than there are one hundred twenty flights from the united
10:58 am
states to keep. it used to be twenty five now it's one hundred twenty five so no one has been cancelled. it's more marketing. to show up things and finally you're right about this in the book what does it what did it feel like brother to see him in an advertisement from a say. in advertisement that might have been in one walls in miami in cuba. well. this capsule in which everything can be turned into profit there will always be a good entrepreneur find a good product. is a good product which is why they. didn't give a thank you. if the show will be back on wednesday for the first.
10:59 am
flight by the u.k. usa aerospace. social media forty five years to the day that race riots broke out on the u.s. warship stationed off the coast of vietnam where the usa would kill displace tens of millions of. russia continues unabated without any hard facts about catalonia take the next step and declare independence also will trump be called a deal breaker when it comes to. europe has to either change or cease to exist people who work in this build. if you had quarters should change the rules of the european union would have to work on fewer issues both with better results it should be paying more attention to protecting
11:00 am
external borders fighting against terrorists curbing illegal immigration as well as harmonizing economic policies and judicial systems otherwise the europe we have today. would transformed into a strange loose community of twenty seven countries with nothing in common. the battle for survival continues in syria despite islamic states retreat from the eastern province of desert or we speak to two young sisters who have lost everything in the war. and there. are no. slams donald trump apparent bid to scope of the nuclear deal with iran after he accuses terror on of being in league with north korea. and hundreds of thousands of people take to the streets of bosler.
50 Views
Uploaded by TV Archive on
![](http://athena.archive.org/0.gif?kind=track_js&track_js_case=control&cache_bust=570758022)