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follies at the royal national theatre award winning actor tracy bello told coronation street to j. edgar hoover was shoot you're only killing a man the apparent last words of che guevara before he was shot dead by cia forces in bolivia on this day nine hundred sixty seven we speak to trigger virus brother about the birth of his family and the adjoining legacy of one of history's most famous revolutionaries all the more coming up in today's going underground but first catalonia in spain is the location of arguably one of the most critical flashpoints of the modern age of twenty tens of thousands of volunteers from fifty three countries went to fight british and american backed fascists in spain the volunteers from britain in the international gates were monitored by the defacto pro franco u.k. spy agency m i five which was supposed to be neutral they were members of the communist party and at that time that was seen by much of the establishment as the main threat to be concerned about so and my five were charged with keeping tabs on anybody really that was a communist once the spanish civil war broke out obviously they were very concerned
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because they were stoned simply being neutral they want they were very concerned these people might go to spain and fight for the public weapon sales from now nato nations would lead to the failure of the international brigades to win against spain's fascists and the defeat is seen by some as the precursor to tens of millions dying in world war two and the holocaust this week the news again fighting in spain backed by european powers today's democratic session of the cattle and parliament has been blocked by the so-called socialist party of spain arguably a bright new liberal party focused on preventing catalan independence this exhibit of the burning of democracy today in spain was not lost on financial t.v. channels we are independents movements opposed to the neo liberal order just talk to us about the significance of this for those not accustomed to spanish politics like you south what this really means for the current debate now tried to develop and i don't know if you remember. the referendum that happened i gave according to
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the catalan region administration and their mandate to enact a law that would create a republic within forty eight hours however did we tell president cannot dare and it's got to be to parliament enact that so frankly we're getting here at that monday to fashion that would be glad it's not going to happen so again if they were empowered to enact at they just simply can't well joining me now is the shadow defense spokesperson another independence movement the scottish national party douglas chapman has just been to catalonia and he's speaking to us from his party's annual autumn a conference ahead of his lead in the cliff sturgeon speech in glasgow tomorrow thanks so much douglas and coming on the show disturbing trip with the s.n.p. shadow justice spokesperson joined chairing to monitor the intimidation going on in spain well it certainly was on the part of seventeen nation delegation to catalonia to this will actually happen during the referendum process. obviously some of the scenes that it's all yours already picked up on were absolutely disgusting in terms
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of the level of violence used by the state police but obviously been under orders from didn't it surprise you and your fellow delegates that there wasn't something sooner from the european commission or the european presidency or any other european union institution to condemn what is nine hundred about the injured. as you say a huge number of people who were injured. you know very upset by the experience that they had a clear that we expected the european commission to. condemn the violence. you know where we realise that and recognise that spain is the member states of the e.u. the people of kashmir and also have the right of self determination and we saw that maybe naively that the first step to coerce. now some people might think it's a long shot he had to compare these things but costs of oh did have
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a referendum and e.u. and nato forces came to the rescue of course of against yugoslavia why isn't nato bombing madrid. well look you know their position i think is completely different but the why read say is that under no circumstances should people who are going to be a natural business of voting for the future of their own country should be subjected to violence in this way this can be a peaceful process if people in the table wanted to be a peaceful process but at the moment there always seems to be one one party who are interested in conducting the in a peaceful way and scimitar seem to be the chairman that you know they will not lose catalonia at any cost we will wait and see what happens you know over the next few days do you detect from even catalans who oppose independence that the sight of
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these hundreds of people being injured and police spanish national police taking away ballot boxes was meant as a lesson to people right across europe and they better not seek autonomy. well. i mean the madrid did use the word disobedience and their early statements. but what the actions did was. a real sense that people wanted to go out and vote so whatever tactics majid used mostly by fire in the day and a lot of people who probably were on the ball at one way or the other and independents . voted because they felt that there was a. will need to show but that you know they wanted to vote you see over the united states mainstream media like the amazon washington post characterizes this whole situation in spain this way it says the only people that are even supporting these
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kinds of movements are the separatist rule scotland the pariah state of venezuela and russia and its intelligence agencies and russian propaganda services well again the catalan government major clue commitment to the people that would have a referendum on the first of october the people who were in a region in which it to determine their own self-determination but who in future for their own country and it was quite clear that stage that you know that process should have been going to hate unhindered and you know people have their own take on who the see things and all the read what's the thing that this but this is a very simple process it was about the saving. media future country's future and that's what was all the vote and quite honestly violence of the nest on sunday is not part of that process at all just fucking that he presumably there will be lots
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of activists at the conference in glasgow wanting a second referendum or at least trying to catalyze the conditions for a second referendum will that catalonia of inspired them. well you know every every time you have a conference the issue offended bennis runs like a golden thread that runs through everything that we do. whether that we are a no no call joining our conference for another referendum at this stage is the beatable but i think what will happen is that it will be strong condemnation of the actions of of majed and the violence the used it in the process and i think will also be a call for peace and mediation between the two parties with catalonia and spain to see if a sensible arrangement and the new sheets arrangement can be a writer but what's happened thank you. thank you. well hollywood have its committees to defend catalonia from fascism in the one nine
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hundred thirty s. the revival of stephen sondheim's follies playing in london till january reminds packed audiences of our femoral not only showbiz stars can be but their audiences to be at least between the wars joining me now is one of the stars of the musical follies just before this production she toured the world from britain to broadway and beyond with end of the rainbow about the tragic last days of i call judy garland with me is a multi olivier award winning actor tracy bennett who sings the song i'm still here a radical denunciation of political witch hunts in the usa tracy thanks for coming on going to go before we get to the torch song i'm still here what got you interested in the revival of the original one act version of follies and i want to get in the n.t. live because we're filming it live which is really scary but in theater that is live but there's a different element with cameras and that's an event of the thick stink so we've got all the cameras in and then it's going to be brought and then it's going to be
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broadcast in new york in london in britain all over the world globally on november the sixteenth and i've been lucky recently with terry johnson directing me and. and the national theater to love that as a cause so much of it is being destroyed for crossrail you know you two are the world you see gentrification all the time but in the plot of this musical it's too late for the it's too late but sometimes you would fall the million eight hundred thirty eight two hundred thirty i'm thirty eight yeah that's when i was a young folly and i'm a very old folly but i think in the end it was called the massacre of broadway i think where they just ripped five main theaters down so yes this is in one nine hundred seventy warm and they're turning it into a office block an office block which of course is happening everywhere your character is very different to argue with all the other characters who is carlotta campion cole la to come here she was a folly girl. chorus she had
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a number which was caught. so she's obviously like mediocre but she had something and she was picked out from the chorus to be a movie star so she then went off to l.a. and became this big movie star and you you've done not better big malone's in the base to be you have got in trouble for communism and the j. edgar hoover little and president hoover my character has been accused of being a commie. which upsetter obviously and she just got drunk by a pool to get over because it destroyed people's lives in every single way and careers they just they just were dead after that but i don't know whether you know this but donald trump tweeted that he loves judy garland the judy garland who said defended actors and said. this is show business and resented the ideas
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of people in show business being accused of being an american but bogart and they were long because they were left of it if you like in their terms. socialist but then that's very confusing with communism and then but do you think donald trump saw you in clearly did clearly there is going to pull me in i'll be working but i don't know you don't know because it gives a lot to do they go out against current show business because of course hollywood is known as being pretty empty term and said it's not the same judy garland was a real star controversial comment there all-stars it depends what you like isn't it box office leave the star whoever makes the money trump has proposed massive cuts to the arts we've seen lots of cuts here too. everybody really smaller theaters music lessons well i mean that was you already what would you say to people to say well we money is a lot of the bankers rather than fears or what well in my simplistic terms
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think about a world with none of it. no music no radio no movies no operas new musical theater no plate no theater whatsoever think of a world without law you can't go in you can't put the radio or there's nothing. there it's it's ridiculous not to from the un they go to see those shows which is to find the europeans over there was watch t.v. of all time in this country what why do you think in this age or into the draw way things on you tube so over the whole of britain's would be morning liz door new play very dark within coronation street or because it's a human being thing coronation street is the star of course but these strong women in the street is known for that and peter wally and john in the day used to write magnificent comedy pathos and if you could do comedy and pathos they would write
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even more for you and that's the store of the working class of britain which is our heritage in part and so very dig up to the imagination because oh it's funny that we're lation shit you know this is it. was genius really and they could do it and so or go by liz last year. they'll never be another you can't have another baby doc worth you can't another older aunt and you know i'm saying there's always a first of its type and so they will always be remembered as part of our heritage culture wise drizzy better thank you. after the break how this shake of us speak to billions around the world fifty years to the day that u.s. backed forces killed him we go to argentina just beat to shake of ours brother one much needed all the civil pod two of going underground.
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los angeles the city of luxury and fame but also an alarming number of people living in the streets. the simple fact in l.a. is there's just not enough shelter even if people on the streets right now decided to come in there's nowhere to come in. response to the problem and construct dozens of tiny home people in need of shelter when you have nothing in order to go. you know having time like this may as well be a castle. the authorities accept such to lucian a tiny house on
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a c.v. parking space is not a solution perth to someone monitoring the site otherwise it'll be a free for all they're a better alternative to end the homelessness crisis. and if you're new to the game this is how it works not the economy is built around corporate corporations run washington the washington post media the media the. voters elect the businessman to run this country business equals power who must it's not business as usual it's business like it's never been done before . welcome back its fifty is today since the cia backed assassination of che guevara but you wouldn't know it from demonstrations by the ninety nine percent that continue all
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around the world to use his image as inspiration for working people of all countries che said as much when he's reputed to have stand ins assassin in the face to tell him to shoot because he was only killing a man the implication being that it was impossible to kill his vision for international communism here he is in algeria as the united states was killing maybe up to four million civilians in vietnam giving one of his last speeches before he left to catalyze revolution in bolivia. but i don't really. think you know what it will be in. there or whatever we have and i'd. rather make a. good serbian marriage. i don't i don't think we're ever to already have early very early get here early for but out of that for what i've done it i'm very sorry for that. that got you know everything but very. aware of it and.
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that leading. them prefer people for our security barrier to. take form for your sake they were there with your what do you. think you know you've got five well joining us now from logic time capital one osiris is one martine who have chase brothers memoir che my brother brings the legendary revolutionary back to life thanks so much one my team for coming on the show daughter later was on this program and said health care was a human right what do you think she would say about cuban doctors now helping islands affected by climate change in the. hurricanes were no. more let me say that well human medicine has advanced incredibly in the years and shade left in one hundred sixty five and he would be amazed by the level of competence and solidarity
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presented by dots today. i mean literally. and before we get to your brother in more detail you are in a way alive accidentally because of something that mrs thatcher did here in britain by recapturing the mail the nurse that's why you're in the way alive to have to have written this book. well it's very hard to say why i'm alive since many of my comrades militants have lost their lives sometimes i think it's up to chance all the times i think it might have been some other kind of employer and. in reality i can't tell you with certainty what is the reason i am alive. and tell me about how the u.s. backed argentine dictatorship affected your family we're going to do.
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it up but. well there have been different stages of dictatorship in argentina we've never had a truly open democracy or if we date it was very short lived you must be referring to the dictatorship of one thousand nine hundred six when the de la and viola were in power the outcome of it was i spent eight years in jail. thirty thousand deaths policy tossed ten thousand tortured in jail because of social breakdown. but he saw we thought of. you enough like border and then after the beginning of the pink tide we saw the kirshner's run. in your book you say there's no street still in the city you're in when there's a. there is named after your brother che where no really. i think is more recognized and accepted outside of argentina it's clear it's because both
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his character and beliefs are considered to be dangerous so it's best to hide in a cult or in other places as well they've tried for many years to hide his and especially his ideas. and you know he showed it also paints i mean even today. yes of course for example not long ago they tried to name a school a nest of our hero. but the commission which reviews these projects before they became legislation had a very negative response that is for a reason he's a contentious carrots influences young people which is bad for the government noir were not at all what do you think your mother would think of that in twenty seventeen it's clear in the book that she's a huge influence and she in a way to which you and your brother to be political but not only.
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that it. was the only one who influenced by i don't think it was not only her but rather the whole family i think any of the members of the family were also interested in politics of course it was also the context in which we lived what would my mother say well she was a militant like myself and she would always support shay's beliefs or. and your mother went to jail as well. yes she was in jail between what we call it dictatorship and a soft dictatorship after from d.c. resigned after he was removed from government came to power that's when my mother returned from cuba i was accused of conspiring against the government i was sent to a woman's jail for
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a few months after that she would turn to produce and would you say that your childhood was bohemian rather than rich. when i really had no no. well in reality i can't really call it by he mean because people always said our family was well off our socratic. however that's not how it was we've had a tough life with very few material possibility at least in my experience so we want exactly me and my background was straight small town people and of course education because i get an education i was the only one of my brothers he didn't go to university. i finished school but nothing more. while che finished his medical studies he would tease you or relatives your grandmother signing
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letters off with your call being this grandson. i mean yes we had everyone in my family for instance there were members of the military. community. and once when he was already a famous commanding keep i remember her saying i don't know why people unless there is a communist he's such a good boy. now. you know we we know the name chiquita fruit label it was once the united fruit what did united fruit in guatemala mean to change of our development we're not. going to. quit but it may go well. it's a before and after that's where he really starts to come to life as
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a revolutionary willing to take up a fight against north american imperialism which was hiding behind united fruit. when people started to criticize. and his fights and the tone leaving the family home whether it was on the famous motorcycle diaries time whether it was their model or whether it was to even to miami in florida and put on a good part of that was whenever he'd come back ever since he was a kid he'd gone adventures with one of his cousins. after he rode four thousand five hundred kilometers on his motorbike while he was studying medicine he watched as a nurse on oil tanker after again he traveled on his motorbike to chile. another gates on a graph. eventually here brought united states in his last trip he went through and probably got to keep he really was the biggest child in our family. who were
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there where it meant there might be ok to it or not. but it seems so many times the newspapers reported that your brother had died how did the family cope with this it was presumably propagand deliberately trying to. and the name to give a how did the family cope with these many times it was reported going to be made in this room one of. mine who are well first news of his death came out when he writes keep on the grandma after they've said so many times that the guerrilla fighters died and amongst them the argentinian doctor he wasn't sure yet he was in a stock of our since he became shea a much has been say especially after nine hundred sixty five when he left the government and parted from. there was constant news about him being dead or being in one place or another we always heard things that were quite sad. and then fidel
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castro secretly invited you and your mother to have her know when. the. revolutionaries and. the cuban capital. know if we're going to be don't you know. yes in reality he didn't exactly invite the bloody parties to dictatorship had left many people in ak so across latin america so the government chartered an airplane to take them back. on the plane as fidel had delegated to him the task of bringing. in exile in argentina venezuela and ecuador . and then what did it feel like you i think you were fifteen years old seeing your brother now the. politician the head of the central bank of cuba. i want to yes when we arrived to havana in one thousand nine hundred fifty nine it was ten days off because he had left the government so it was very recent at that point
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cuba was mobilized and. of course having left. because to my parents he was. tiny and i started. having left. a meeting with. a very strong experience i'd say it was shocking and i still remember the moment when him. and spent a couple of minutes hugging. and what did you feel when you heard about the cia backed assassination of your brother. well. it wasn't the cia the cia ordered it but it was the believing army that execute the assassination . was in charge. it was the army general in bolivia the cia was directing it it was the believe in me to actually carried it out we only learned about it lights because what was being said at the time was
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that he died in combat and not assassinated you know where does it make any difference today the. trump is trying to tear up the obama deal on cuba. in reality has many problems some more serious thank you there are one hundred twenty flights from the united states to keep. it used to be twenty five now it's one hundred twenty five so no one has been cancelled. it's more. relevant. to show up things. really you write about this in the book what does it what did it feel like his brother to see him in an advertisement from a say. in advertisement that might have been in on walls in miami in cuba. well. this capsule in which everything can be turned into profit there will always
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be a good. find a good product. is a good product which is why they used him. on my team thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday for the first. former. treasury note how did flight by the u.k. usa aerospace trade war. media say forty five years to the day that race riots broke out on the u.s. warship stationed off the coast of vietnam where the usa would kill or displace tens of millions of. russia continues unabated without any hard facts to back it up will catalonia take the next step and declare independence also will trump be called a deal breaker when it comes to.
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and you know when there's you know you go into you are you going to church oh you're also the you know mr world that is. to go in another place or through the permit the the little you have. to go through all of your you really just to believe also all these books the glad i do wish i got. the number little community nobody can take them on. to it or got up out of the wind and. you know enter into you know to bring the strong room of the room the truth. is. he in. somewhere.
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