on larry king now plus size models test holiday and zach nico the average male waist size in america is forty inches and meanwhile most major brands especially designers won't produce clothing more than a thirty six a lot of people assume that people that are all the way it is are lazy that we sit around and eat all day and it's quite the opposite i work out. by i've been big my whole life i don't remember a moment where i haven't been something that comes along with the industry telling people that this culture of thin look is now the new body type that's also a multibillion dollar industry to sell people products to become something that they might not be natural but it's an attainable goal to look that way and that we're staying in fashion magazines and it's damaging plus i didn't grow up with

everyone my size as representative as handsome as desirable and if i was a young kid and i saw someone like me on the cover of a catalog or a magazine what would that have done for my personal self-esteem knowing that i could be a bigger person and still be celebrated all next on larry king now. well go to larry king now our guest today our models test holiday and zac mico jack's the first model to get signed to i am g.'s plus size division for men it's called brawn the good name and at his size twenty two tess is the largest supermodel to be signed by a major modeling industry her new book is called the not so subtle art of being a fat girl and it's available now ok the obvious how did you get into modeling. i always say delusion cuz i always. on into model and everyone said it would never

happen because i was too short and too big so i thought well let's see if i can give this a go i wasn't good at school i was bullied in school so academics warrant something that i focused on tremendously so when i was seventeen i moved from mississippi to seattle i started doing make up i got pregnant and i guess i was having a little too much fun and i ended up having to move back to mississippi so it was just me and my baby i decided after working at wal-mart for about a year that i couldn't do it anymore i had to leave the south so i moved to seattle with my baby seven hundred dollars travel crabbe and no job. which my family was not very supportive of i can understand now why and about a year later i moved to l.a. because i realized that the modeling industry is not really happening in seattle. i

moved to l.a. and. someone saw me on line and asked me to come in for an audition at the c.n.n. building on sunset nor were. i thought it was a scam but i thought what do i have to lose so i went in and that was in two thousand and ten and six months later i was the face of a show that i was on a any called heavy so i was who they used for the promotional material and it was a model clothing that i do a guy model clothing i have modeled for cosmetic lines for skincare line. i guess very much whatever people want to hire me for. you and your wife got you into modeling yes she well she was the one who encouraged me to go for it we were an actor and we think come up where my acting manager and new makeup artist who was looking for something and we didn't know what and i didn't want to go in for it and my wife highly encouraged me to go and then. turned out to be target was

using their first big in any of their e-commerce advertisements and that happened to be me some of the first i'm the first guy my size to be represented by any major agency and honestly to work with any major brand as well the modeling industry is known to be pretty brutal right it is very competitive yes a lot of for want of a better term fat women competitors of yours you know i'm the only one which is really unfortunate like some people would probably look at it as a good thing because it doesn't mean much competition but for me there's a lot of women my size that model for smaller brands none of them are assigned to a big agency they all aspire to do it but unfortunately brands most of them stop at a size fourteen or sixteen for their samples so that's the size models that they want are fourteen and sixteen so when they're hiring me they're special making the clothing to model them you don't appear very overweight. at least one

hundred twenty pounds bigger than the average male model so you publish you work to seventy five to eighty but you're told yeah i'm six foot six so i'm about i got a whole foot more in my waistline one hundred twenty pounds and like sixty's it was forty two beauty standards are on representative what people are more people like you yeah right now the average male waist size in america is forty inches meanwhile most major brands especially designers won't produce clothing more than thirty six and most women are a size sixteen that's the average i mean really is this a lot about body positivity this will come a buzz don't like. a lot of browns kind of learned it was something that maybe they should look into because. myself and speak a lot about what it's like to be an industry where body. like ours aren't

celebrated you never had each other till today online we're great internet friends friends on instagram as this kind of work improved your self-confidence me personally immensely i've never i didn't grow up with anyone my size as representative as handsome as desirable as worthy of aspiration and i always think i'm like if i was a young kid and i saw someone like me on the cover of a catalog or a magazine what would that have done for my personal self-esteem knowing that i could be a bigger person and still be celebrated and still be worthy in the eyes of the industry so it's going to be worth your self-esteem while that's why i love miss piggy so much because she was like the first plus i had tutor and. she was like and in body manners she was like plus size and glamorous but we didn't have a lot of that growing up either i didn't have anybody really on t.v.

that was besides roseanne and she wasn't in the most glamorous light and so john goodman was my guy there was a sort of it was. so funny so for me i didn't have anyone to identify with and through modeling i now only found a new confidence within myself i found that i had a lot more options and clothing that there were a ton of brands that were actually making my size that i had no idea about so married right i am married baby yes i married an australian so imported em over and we have a fourteen month old and then my eleven year old is he overweight no he's not but he is actually he's the smallest size they make and plus size so he's considered plus size but most people are way very easily still crazy but not many people would think your wife overweight know my wife is very spoilt. probably. three times her

weight to be honest with you what's what's it like to walk through life as a larger person are you stigmatized by society even though we are an obese society a lot of people assume that people that are overweight or plus size are lazy that we sit around any it all day and it's quite the opposite i heard someone on twitter the other day say you know awful things about me he was a boxer and i said i challenge you to keep up with me in a day because it's usually flying in and out of airports twelve hours shoots and then i come home to kids and e-mails that never stop so we're very busy most overeats. i used to as a child now i have my moments where i struggle with it which is what i talk about in the book kind of i went through a lot of trauma as a child and i struggled with an eating disorder and i still sometimes emotionally i feel like a lot of people have their moments whether you have a bad day and so you want

a piece of cheesecake i work out by i've been big my whole life i don't remember a moment where i haven't been would you like to be do you envy them no i don't you know my mom always i guess told me that i could be whatever i wanted to be and i gained a way with my first sign and i stayed outside until i had my last son and i actually lost weight with my last pregnancy by i feel like i don't know i love my body i love who i am and. i think there's no there's no reason to and be other people so you said recently you take the shame out of the word homefront yeah zack you said that when men are ashamed of how they look they project these ideas onto women yeah we're doing well i think talks of masculinity is a really important thing to talk about especially when it comes to male body image . i grew up thinking terrible things about how i looked i thought i was supposed to look. a certain way i thought i had to fit in this box and in doing so i had such

insecure about and such insecurities about the way i looked i assume that women had to fit to that exact same standard when i was younger and i feel like that's the way a lot of people do in general and after a while i was realizing i'm like this isn't because i have any issues with the way they look i think women are beautiful of every shape and size this is me feeling comfortable in who i am and trying to hold people to the same standard that makes me feel uncomfortable understandable now let's be logical it's not healthy. i have to know that it's not healthy yeah i am healthy i have to have you have to have some kind of a heart will have heart problems you can't yeah you know it's i i i guess i just respond i respectfully disagree only because my i see people of all shapes and sizes dying of all scuse me all kinds of different things and for me i know that

i'm healthy i had a healthy pregnancy and had an awful pregnancy and literally couldn't even carry another child if she wanted to so i feel like i'm you can't look at someone and tell whether or not they're healthy i know and i understand seeing someone you know that's over way and thinking you know what my insides might look like but i take good care of myself and you know i would do whatever i had to do to be around from age children and i plan to be around as as long as you know you do as you know i have no health issues whatsoever and you think when you're overweight i don't because there's. we have been kind of condition as a society to believe that aesthetics equal health and that's not true i want to saying in this drive for obesity that is static. mrs obama. i didn't do it to look better no but she did it to make make people feel

healthier and my whole thing with the body positive movement is i highly encourage people to be as healthy as they can the whole message is because you look a certain way doesn't mean you're not healthy there's four hundred pound linebackers in the n.f.l. that can run faster lift more. dad have much more physical stamina than i ever will you know so you have other ninety year old fat people you do i guess old i'm from mississippi so i hold. my own i guess i don't know it we do i think i think that society and fortunately i'm projecting projecting that onto us which is why we do what we do it's to fight against society's stigma show your fans i would go people by the clothing you wear or larger my fan base is is anywhere from eleven year old girls to seventy plus year old women and i'm very fortunate that and that's why we talk so much about it and we all deal with body image issues now there it's mo

matter what size you are no matter how old you are and so we feel like it's really important to talk about the fact that you have to love the body that you're in now before even if that means losing weight or however you want you have to love who you are now before you can go on the next test and zach are dissecting beauty standards and revealing their secret talents and guilty pleasures in a game of if you will the new will be right back. you guys i made a professional is power point sure you are to america it's good for the greater media landscape here and on all laughter all right but we are a solid alternative to the we don't you liberal or conservative and as you can see it is bar graph you know it's cued up back to talk you have left these talking at righties oh there you go above it all look out world is in the fall. no i

got a class actually took me way more time than i care to admit. your launching our team. basically everything that you think you know about civil society has broken down. there's always going to be somebody else one step ahead of the game. we should not be. normalized. we don't need people that think like this on our planet. this is an incredibly situation. that would test all of a and sack me told the idea of slim if you look at pictures of models actresses in the twenty's and thirty's were a little heavier legs were heavier betty grable didn't have been legs. won't

change. when does society get got to be skinny. models personally when we started letting the industry for whatever terms dictate what was pretty and what was not something that comes along with the industry whether it be fashion entertainment telling people that this ultra thin look is now the new body type that's also a multibillion dollar industry to sell people products to become something that they might not be naturally it's unattainable to look the way that we're seeing in fashion magazines and it's damaging to to both men and women because it's just it's not like you're either born that way or you're not you're either born you know old slender or you're just non-famous designers make clothes for you for your. famous designers have made clothes for people. in my size i'm

working on one of my friends who's a designer hopefully getting him to make a few things for me it doesn't come in my size most designers stop at a size fourteen which i have to wear other plus a is brands that are in stores but that's ok because then my followers can buy what i'm wearing and. it's yes yes is the long term answer but i think most of the stores know that there are good men there are are big things so luckily in the last couple years the men's industry has been making movements to be more inclusive in size but it's still coming at the designer high end level which is the big struggle i could never walk into a designer brand and that's something i like to cherish that they do anything. yeah that is steve and of auto it's recently good included from looking at google searches that many men are interested in larger women afraid to admit one hundred percent i completely agree so many men go up to my husband say that the only reason

he's with me is because he must have a fetish for bigger women but that's just clearly an off the case it's just you are who you are attracted to and i think society has made men feel ashamed of being a top ten too. many men come on with you i have yes i have had a lot of people try to you know. do things in regards to my side that i wasn't happy with i talk about in the book someone tried to give me gummy bears during during their intimate moment and i was like that's just not my thing and i don't look at gummy bears the same anymore really. i'm only. yes surprising i'm not surprised i always say a surprising thing is it's again it's a years of my own conditioning that i'm on where the in some way i took i just got to the point where i can take a compliment like last week i think it's something that builds up for years and years because the industry tells you you're not good enough so play a little game of if you only knew just throw some question our news your childhood

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cooking scallops i can do it only to. compliment you have a god. that i was that i was a good listener. it's ok to be big and people like you because you're big strangers fan encounter i had a man bring me as a single rose and kept touching my fingertips and asking me on a date oh did you go with him in a security escorted him away before we get how the hell do you think. strange fan and yeah i was camping and i had two young boys drive up to me on a golf cart and asked if i was me going to take pictures. but something people get wrong about you that i'm lazy when i get wrong about you the same thing just that

i'm lazy and i don't do anything which is not true or should we be paying more attention to. the overall state of our work. i agree. you both political yeah yeah what do you think of trump not a fan. highly disappointed in our leader is this some degree long believed to be true but realize wasn't i was always told growing up the dinosaurs weren't real because it wasn't in the bible and then it is only five dollars years old exactly. i'm never understood they can explain me me me there though they say it's dragons someone told me that like no dragons are real that's what the dinosaurs or gods of very strange thing have you turned over religion. i have i haven't i'm still catholic told me something people don't know about you. as i'm quite shy until i get to know somebody you don't seem like. something people know

but you. i was a children's performer for most of my professional career to perform for children we were a clown i was a singer i mostly sing about dinosaurs funny enough. and then i played a knight and and they came in various children shows doing sword fights for kids that's nice some social media questions out a bell the eighty seven what's your take on the lots of representation of visibly plus models both male and females seems there's still a standard you're up against that has to do with that agencies not really wanting to hire people that are bigger than our size i think there's a there's more of a demand for a size twelve fourteen possibly sixteen but not so much our size should know

successfully the weight of those shed and hopefully will one day yeah i mean this is a thing hopefully as it is i go farther to say it's mostly designers people all that time asked me the like why are you you know working for so and so and it's because they don't produce clothing i can put on it yeah. for twelve what song help shoes shrug off negative remarks made it you and what do you see is there a song that keeps me going. i mean a thing by robin i think all of her songs really get me moving for me it's anything by the band mother father who is an amazing don't know either one i don't read about aaron is just as a jackson what advice would you give to an aspiring plus size male model put yourself out there create your own content put your. self out there as much as you can you won't be visible unless you are you make yourself as a boy i personally was found by my agency on instagram because i started putting stuff out there me too so you you're shy but you have to kick the door to do it i

always say if there's not as a path and you make one yourself. mr micro what steps do you have to take to become a diversity model. what was the question again is the diversity model i'm assuming what they mean by diversity is just people of any size shape gender anything. similar to last question you have to believe in yourself before anyone else will believe in you because they won't i mean why should somebody who wants to help out a person who doesn't see feel like they're helping themselves so you've got to put out your own content and show people who you are and just make sure you doing a great job of selling who you are and what your messages best eighty five is attaining the dream or is the soul sucking abuse you have to endure. it is you know i and i think it's very important to have a group of people around you that support you anything you do you have to have

a support system and you have to know when to turn it off for me i put down my fall and i spend time with my family or i do something that makes me happy because the internet is not a real thing it's just we put out what we want and why would anyone let a troll boy do the kid or anonymous people out the door i don't know if i know for me personally a lot of the times of the trolls is because they're using the same hateful words and rhetoric that have been drilled into me since i was a little kid getting bullied on the playground so it kind of just brings you back to that like primal to have brothers sisters i do have three brothers they fit. my i don't well i haven't seen them going to while there they live down south my youngest brother is out of our way but i think the other two are not well you. have . brother and sister. me and my sister have both. struggled with weight in our pasts and it took us a long time to realize we weren't so much struggling with our weight as struggling

with our self-esteem so i think we're moving forward because of and your brother my brother is thin as a toothpick. b.t.w. trends or do i do you have anything in the works to expand your career into television or film. i do yeah i'm working on a. t.v. show possibly awesome. same for me i mean i started as an actor and it's something that's very important to me and we've been in talks with hopefully maybe doing a talk show like yourself one day and following your footsteps and you get in a way to make a living what would you like people understand about larger people i think that it's really important to know that we all deserve respect and we should all be treated like people because and a lot of the time people treat me like i'm not a real person and they just say awful things to me and treat me a certain way because of how i look and i try my best to treat everyone with respect and i would hope that people would do the same regardless of how i look now

. it's that people like me and tell us we just want to want people understand that it's ok to be happy with who you are right now it's great to have goals but i spent my whole life thinking i needed to be something else i needed to lose weight to gain weight to do whatever and it took me years and years to realize that i'm happy with who i am and i salute you both great meeting thank you thank you it was great meeting you thanks to my guest as holiday and zach may go the not so subtle lot of big of that girl is available now and as always you can find me on twitter of kings things see you next time. our culture is awash in lives dominated by streams of never ending electronic

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