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time. leaders business main opposition party slum stories of maize government for failing to secure a break city agreement the prime minister warns the u.k. must be ready to quit the european union without a deal. and for joining us this name is the watching internet. this can be busy because we are shortly expecting the catalan president to talk about whether the region is going to declare independence from spain that the ninety percent of participants in the region's referendum on october first voted in favor of as we await his speech let's go live to barcelona spain forty correspondent. we're

expecting to hear something soon but no word yet. followed neil and you know tension is really thick here in the atmosphere as anxiety builds in terms of what exactly karl has put him on just going to be able to say once he does finally address the regional parliament here that's a speech that's highly anticipated and is being closely watched by our not just crowds here in barcelona but also clearly throughout speed very tightly watched in madrid as well as throughout the european union now we have to mention that this speech was initially supposed to have taken place an hour ago however it was delayed and there is speculation of course here on the ground that certain behind closed door negotiations are currently taking place ahead of this speech because of the very high stakes now currently on for catalonia let's keep in mind that just spite promises of the cats leadership to proclaim independence within forty eight hours of announcing their official referendum results of october first we have seen

huge pressure from madrid for this not to take place let's take a listen to what i say to people that they should be absolutely assured that the government is going to work and independence declaration that might be expressed you. disagreed with the law but you cannot. if you disobey the law you become. the president of the governments of those the governments of the loonier who have broken the law to return. to the place themselves within the constitution. what with all of this pressure from madrid for catalonia to know. we had an independence we do know that there has been lots of kind of split decision here on the ground as well with massive protests coming out in support of independence massive protest against independence and for unity and lots and lots of different opinions in terms of what which to march should do and as we stand here right now and he's about to make

a speech there's lots of really analysis in terms of what the possible options are we have heard that it's quite possible that he might come out and talk about independence without really using the word independence in order to proceed with the laws in terms of what happened with the referendum he according to other reports would go ahead and kind of taken a step back but also it's still quite possible that whatever is happening right now behind closed closed door doesn't work out and he could still indeed go ahead and file claims of planets so we're certainly going to be here watching as the sun rivals we are expecting them to speak in the minutes to come and we'll certainly have an update as soon as that happens. many thanks to you shortly no doubt about it ok let's stay with the subject cross live now to. lou who was actually an observer of the council on referendum. everybody is on tenterhooks we'll media certainly awaiting the address of the president which has

been delayed we don't know when he's going to start why do you think we're waiting why is he put off his announcement. well i think the piers are more this is a very difficult. situation they've been you know a present for a lot of sides both the political person. and also the european union but there's a financial pressures to about doing the make of this declaration about the diverters and i think there are the last we need to negotiations go in the go go you know no we don't know exactly who is negotiating with home but still there are some negotiators and i think because of those negotiations with the speech has been postponed. ok and just let our viewers know while we're conducting this interview we should get him to be showing live pictures from the catalan palm just give you a feel for the the atmosphere there we can see that a lot of politicians are taking a seat now waiting and to see pay thing this announcement is telling us back to you

talked about the pressure that coming from both the spanish and me a politicians do you think that this is having a big influence on what the president will do. of course i think they do cause because they would expect in for the cuts and the catalyst side that was expecting a kind of international intervention which is not a cop and without this in their son he did eventually come to face the spanish state the mother eat and mother it is much more a part of the. cut on the government you know but i think here there is a miscalculation of you know on the most obvious pieces and so on but i think now is the time not for the war it's a time for negotiation as we come to negotiate yesterday the mayor of where barcelona. made a very important speech. proposing dialogue and the dialogue is the only

solution you know to solve this crisis negotiators and diet coke otherwise will cover his coalition if he has a moment declares independence than. the government of spain but we you know concept of the whole lot of the enemy of not only according to the spanish courses you should and probably. the leaders of the net will be in jail. and i just they they some days ago i asked the foreign minister colonia if you was ready to go to jail and he is ready to go to jail but jail is not the prison is not the right to to this crisis you know we we need to have that level of course we have some declarations from the part of the spade force of the spokesman of the ruling party the mother in must read said. kids are more the weak of the the end. she would be killed the kid would be assassinated he would have the end of the cut

that i lead that he has been assassinated by a dictator from go in the thirty's those are the marks of those the collision did not help but do not kill but on the present situation. we have to be calm and ask to search for a dialogue by the grant that the european union because not done so much up to now i hope they will do something even now or in the future to achieve. an acceptable from both sides compromise. and you an observer of the actual referendum you saw the voting take place what do you think about the legitimacy of the vote you know a lot of people in spain criticizing it do you think it is all been above board and it's legitimate. well you know from the political point of view it was legitimate because the. spanish government the government there tried to you know to prevent

it and the cup and despite the whole president of measures and the police and the brutality of the police but from the technical point of view i don't think it was you know a proper afraid to say because they wouldn't have the ballot boxes there were rumors that police were coming and below a ballot boxes were disappearing and there will be. some media half an hour later this is not the carbon in duty of the you know the normal electoral process and the referendums and the other technical problems they cover a system of electronic voting. you know there are two to prevent double voting to do it would be for electoral centers but this this is that was dropped down. fell because of the intervention of the mother's government apparently and so they come through to vote. by you know taking notes and this could not prevent

a possible you know double vote that i don't think that the cause being a double of zero to say people of catalonia celebrate it in a party democracy but the you know according to the proper. notice of the referendum it was not the case. just a lot of us know the pictures we've been seeing you can see colors which the moment he sat on the front row he's making some amendments to the speech he seems fairly relaxed he smiles that and i just wanted to ask. is this a case of he's kind of got to the point of no return now if this was a game of poker it feels to me as though he's put all these chips on the table now it really is all in and also after the violence we saw that was carried out by the police upon the people of catalonia is it no return for the people now can they forgive that kind of treatment coming from on the pole in the old days of madrid is this a case that they have to go forward now calling for independence or do you think they really can walk this back. well you know the the

prime minister of spain mr hoyer has made and noted much mistakes here i know with at the main mistakes was also not using the dialogue about jews in the police. and now thirty eight and thirty nine all of the time that the people will go to jaipur over there will die there will be assassinated like. i said you before. well but from the other side also i think the government of qatar earlier cuz no plan b. and the plan the plan a was of course to declare independence but what carbon the he the autonomy the whole autonomy of colonia is council so there is no next step to do and if the leaders will who knows the days he is. probably it would be the case then i don't think it is i don't think. this is the right

outcome so i think also kills him of the house to make an offer for dialogue before declare independence that would be the best solution i think the best solution is the what the the mayor of. invited both sides to do yesterday and proposed yesterday to do to start a dialogue to see the difference between the two sides no two to cover war to have dialogue in europe at the end of the day were not to be in the thirty's you know we don't have to talk of that you should be rewarded spain but we don't have to have more police brutality and this will happen police brutality will cover and if there is an escalation. if it is a possibility if independence is declared in the next few minutes how do you think roy and the spanish government will react will they for example as has been you

know espouse perhaps trigger article one hundred fifty five of the spanish constitution and suspend catalan is autonomy would that be very extreme is that a possibility or they likely to go straight to negotiation. no it's one hundred percent possibility there is no they have said it. one hundred times so what they're going to do is suspend completely they have done a meal for catalonia and also probably some of the leaders of the car and the government will be arrested or who all will be prosecuted if not to arrest it and sent to jail but i don't think the government over the whole because no given any side of of a smart and or smart moves and also. sort of dialogue no they don't have to do to do they don't want to do that they have done it so far you know they what they have that they counseled the don't know me don't

know me in two thousand and ten what they have done is they counseled their ruling party the course said about this. because of the. totally of catalonia and the. whole crisis started and we have now in this collision of that escalation of the economic scandalous escargots of quote have shown you know for both sides and so they they also are using this is. to for the people not to think any more about the economic situation of this caused us or the polish of a stadia just to you know to be to take part in one or the other a combi you know there so there is there is in this collision but this is kind of to my point of view goes nowhere because you cannot make a you can of course suspend the autonomy but you cannot this also we will cover

will provoke more reaction from the other side probably some people who would react i don't know. as peaceful a way as it were it covered up to now because they got a lot. where extremely one cousin has said it is for the after now so i think that the police will use this example to the spanish police to to to to do more to to have more or pressuring the police measure so this goes no we're really and we need we need. a dialogue we need to provide this and we also need you that actually did very serious because you know what there is this very. very polarized political atmosphere sometimes both sides can look to see it kind of make steps you know but work so i think any discussion of mediation is absolutely necessary we don't need you little by another crisis i mean we have he cries enough

a lot of them so we don't need that other one in the big three like spain with people like spy there's people there want that for people both of the sponsors and the catalans going into course. if catalonia is it now or never when it comes to independence the region's been calling for it for decades they've had to referendums both you know huge majorities in favor of independence. has got momentum in pubs. more global media awareness and public awareness about their. requirements and what they want than is ever happened before if it doesn't happen now surely the spanish government will do everything in their power to make it almost impossible in the future is it now or never. no word for the. president the fears of all this probably now or never because of course he doesn't know as i told you you cause no plan b. he cannot easy to you know. and say i'm not doing that

probably but also probably because he's a he's a low talk president humor lot of every every kind of press or him i think probably he would he will fall short of declaring the dietary dependence. and probably will say or would lucrative to find you know sort of the road was there but the third of the road him takes more or more more science will be involved not just moderate and barcelona but also or other players coming outside you know it's like a now it's like a game or for all star all you know somebody who in the end to the other but i think is in the modern politics you know this should not be the case though he has to be sort of slightly wary at the moment the world is watching and he's already overstepped his mark some would say we very physical approach coming from the

police at the referendum but do you think when things die down a bit we will see the spanish government changing the laws trying to maneuver the system in their favor to make sure that this can never the situation could never arise in the future. when i think it takes a change of the government in a mother it you know this government. mess it up completely threw this situation is unbelievable. was destroyed all the possibilities he cut it all the bridges almost all the bridges with catalonia you know by using different measures not accepting that and any move of compromise and said in the final said in the with the polish with the with the brit brutality but he did it in the history of modern spain after the end of the of the dictatorship so i think. what it takes really

is a change of government in mothered but also takes time you're going to do it from one . day to the other so we have to wait and see another government more moderate you know the as a core set about this that they could do something changes and give back to catalyze the autonomy the they caught up to two thousand and ten you know the socialist as you probably know have made the change of course as you should need two thousand and six and they gave a lot of the autonomy in qatar that said this is going to be the new system has been have through approved by the catalyst but the consent of either party that you know there are some of the party out of the you know there are the carrots that they're continuing to polish frango and you know we had the most races that we're seeing in the. other songs of around go there were you know they go just the killing the using the you know night in is you never enough is it that i'm

sad faces that i'm seeing you know the so with this government i think it is it is the it with the spot of these difficult to root causes of the situation and that's why after this agreement of two thousand and. if he is the sixteenth two thousand and ten percent of the government through the course is usually called sainz. autonomy and you know there's the with the role of the article is that given. the cut along the a large number this is where they cut unless they consider two thousand and ten as a reader. and that's why from there they started you know the escalation in two kinds collations. sort of surrendered one of fred so they cut it they had forty so they called they cut that originally two thousand and fourteen. which they referred to when the president of the time said it was just and advisable for the

do it because the you know the power to establish the deeper that was just to kind of you know they're. not sure why. you know but then this president has been a you know punished by the. spanish justice. he he wouldn't she would not have any political activity for two years and he did or he was to pay five million euros for the expenses of organizing the previous or so this there is a discoloration containers escalation there were signs. even in newspapers in madrid that were against qatar and sort of don't know me or the pettus like they were you know just the same as they were they will said an hour there so we have to sit down negotiate nothing you know what a whole he did not in all the code that he he hoped for roll call continuing the

you know the frog was the dictator of spain fraggle road to the general from go at the that's why you are here right now. the money is currently addressing the council and in parliament and of the things that i he said i can already i can tell you. one comment was he says that this is no longer an internal issue for spain he says that catalonia is now european markets are looking towards europe the suggestion there is that he's calling on the e.u. to now take control of matters and i would i would say that so far they've had their fingers in there is. really not wanting to handle this and wanting mariano rajoy to deal with it himself can you actually see the e.u. stepping in and helping you know negotiations take place and if so can they be independent because surely they have a vested interest they want spain to stay together. well i would like to you know i would like to because of the giving

a tenth. and then now to president of catalonia given to have a can for negotiation it's a very good move i don't know if the he thing i really don't know is the do it if the will is do you know europe or so he's afraid of he's got the lonia leaves then it will recover domino effect in other areas of europe probably the. north easterly will ask for the kind of don't know me course you would ask if i depended from frowns and different different things you know and so there are so afraid of the domino effect and this is one of the reasons but now. yes of course even europe we don't need. for years we don't need more borders. we need less borders when you do less walsh you know but this. must have been a peacefully that's. been through negotiation and that's exactly the road

order was taken by the you most of the times taken by the european union years so yes i think the. european union must that their fear to both sides must he she ate. and this is the only peaceful and possible outcome of these very dangerous situation. ok then your skill oakley's my guess that if if you can it's a great speech he could ask you to stay on the line which want to bring a few more strands of information to our viewers now i'll come back to you on this topic. ok now officials in madrid are particularly outspoken about catalonia secession bed some of even resorted to making personal threats on em. history should not be refuted let's hope nothing is declared tomorrow but there are lots of it because perhaps the one who declares that it will end up like the one who declared it three years ago that it's the spanish prime minister spokesperson was

referring to come to the news former first minister luis companies who declared the region independent back in one nine hundred thirty four he then fled to france where he was captured by the nazis and handed over to spain's fascist regime one hundred forty the politician was tried and executed for rebellion the recent reference by the spanish prime minister spokesperson to that episode sparked anger on cattle and peace said that the people don't need to be reminded of the tragedy while the leader of the left wing padilla's party accuse the spokes person of being either ignorant or irresponsibly provocative ok let's go back to our guests. who blog so references to the past there perhaps a touch of scaremongering a threat of what is to come if people go too far i mean this is what happens isn't it when people are afraid of losing something and it could just be the spanish prime minister it could be european leaders as you said afraid of further countries

third the regions breaking away from the isn't that when desperation creeps in and perhaps the powers that be will become more aggressive. well yes you know the utopia as we all know now is not going to the right direction and there is a week of the extreme right. over europe the last example was in ceremony for the first time after the the end of the second world war the extreme right some people are oprah now that there are some members of the party at the end of the parliament. so a lot of things are hard and the what do you must change is the it's not the refugees question is do you call it we as a leader in the. advisers will say it's the economy stupid is this social situations too but that means that the polish overstated the have been implemented

imposed by berlin told countries of europe think of as regards the fear they are said to be and the rise of the extreme right and this much things and one of the reasons of the actual political. crisis in spain is of course the economic us result the main reason probably but scandals of course played a very important role of the court option of the government in mother read. in about sort of the plate is an important role but you know they call them the crisis plays a very poor the road we don't have it a utopia board that attracts people and this makes it more difficult. things to keep people from coming from different you're not it is to keep those people together it's becoming more and more difficult you know. one of the things that comes peace to one side in the last few moments he said that for the referendum the people of the region they went out to vote against fear because of the way that the referendum is being blocked and that the spanish authorities were sending the

police into using aggression to try and stop people from voting so just getting by something i mentioned earlier do you think that the people of catalonia can forgive this once you've seen the authorities who are employed to protect you trust them the police using violence upon you to stop me from using your democratic right to vote cannot be forgiven is this divide now going to be entrenched and perhaps a reversible. as i told you. most of the bridges but you know i think i said in your question it's very difficult but this is not the poster but we have seen through the history of people having the civil war so then getting together so this was not a civil war actually even need for oil did everything to to to to to make an atmosphere to make another tool create another tool in the pursuit of civil war others without the case of course of course there has been the

brutality that have been the different the police brutality who preceded it i don't think and i think there are still a. little ways to compromise but what we need these are third party to play a role and those are two where we need moderate voices. voices like that one of the of the mayoral for but sedona they will be here because of for now you know and one of the. polarization in s.k. is that the moderate voices are not here that he wanted it is very bad this couple is in every civil confrontation you know but this is very bad we have to carry the moderate voices coming from people as effective in the governorship as. allowing the mayor of the us has done an exit.