and that's. welcome to exacted tonight v i pity i'm leak am today my guest is someone i view as. being of a legend he wrote the new york times bestseller confessions of an economic hit man and it was one of the earliest books to wake me up to the fact that the united states has

a colossal economic empire along with its military empire that force is struggling countries to drown in debt basically a feudal system of nations that is responsible for the death and suffering of millions of people over generations if other nations refuse to take on our economic peonage that we offer them on our own on a silver platter then we try to bribe their leaders then if that doesn't work we threaten their leaders and if that doesn't work sometimes those leaders are assassinated in confessions of an economic hitman john perkins revealed his role in that process a role he is now sickened by today nowadays he works tirelessly to help create a better world one built on on life and peace rather than death and war here's my

conversation with john perkins for john thanks for joining me. my pleasure to be with you i just want to sort of i say it's a real thrill for me because your books were very significant in waking me up getting me outside the story of the corporate media that they have that they feed and you hear that a fair amount from people i love hearing that it's what he writes are glad to hear that from you because you do great shows and have some wonderful people and it's a privilege to be with you thanks so much i want i want to start with the oil and gas companies that are basically as big as ever you were friends with leaders in countries that tried to stand up to them nationalize the oil their black gold in their various countries and some of those leaders were likely assassinated that was the one nine hundred eighty s. do you feel these massive oil and gas multinationals still kind of have the world by the balls. they do and it's maybe a little less important now because wall street in place they set

a huge role now back in my day the world bank and some of the multinational banks were played a bigger role but today we've also got wall street coming in and yet yes oil and gas is still very powerful just think about what our secretary of state comes out of the oil industry and former presidents in the bush family and kind lisa rice i mean they're constantly in high places and they control so many resources around the world as some of the transportation networks that they're streaming the whole yes yeah absolutely wall street as well and as you mentioned rex tillerson cell it seems like the facade of it you know having an oil government is kind of gone now it's just a straight forward c.e.o. of exxon mobil as secretary of state you you also mention the world bank there in your answer recently bolivia's president evo morales announced his country's total independence from the world bank and the i.m.f. can you explain why that such a big deal well yeah and in right i've met with

a vote morales and also the plumber president of ecuador just just left who's in office for about ten years rafael correa who has a ph d. in economics from the university of illinois understands our system very well he also did that he basically got rid of the what he called the u.s. backed banks which is the world bank the i.m.f. wall street and these countries are now taking money from china which i think is unfortunate but when i talk to them about this they say well we'd much rather be indebted to china in the end than anybody involved in the united states because china has never overthrown our government never assassinate one of our leaders never built a military base in latin america united states has done all those things we know the united states will do this and i asked well don't you think china may do it too and they say it's always possible to know that they haven't done it yet and you have so. you know we trust china more and i really think that's unfortunate that we

put ourselves in this position after after the soviet union collapsed in ninety one and we had an opportunity in the united states to really promote a good business practices around the world we did the opposite we promoted exploitation and that's very unfortunate and so now the chinese are stepping in and taking advantage of the mistakes that we made. yeah and. just for the people that maybe haven't read your books that you know we have so much control the world bank of the world bank and the i.m.f. they they push debt on countries and then those countries basically have to do what what they want is that is that sort of to an elevator pitch as i know works yeah my job was to identify countries with resources their corporations want like oil or reshoots in that country from the world bank or the i am after one of their sister organizations. and the money never went to the country that it went to our own corporations the back goes on however these kinds of companies to build big

infrastructure projects power plants highways industrial parks in those countries things that made big profits for our corporations and benefited a few wealthy friends and these in the country but the majority of people suffered because money was diverted from health education and other social services to pay off the debt in the end they couldn't pay off the debt so we go back and say hey so you're all rich or companies without any environmental or social regulations let's go to military bases and insurance was really a very strong form of imperialism and it was to music taken of these countries and some of the wealthiest families in the countries benefit and so they supported it and they usually you know hold the political position that if they didn't support it as i said earlier we have through those governments there are the cia or cia assets or maybe assassinated their presidents two of my clients the president of ecuador jaime roll those and head of state a ten a momentary host were both assassinated because they would not go along with these

deals to terrible legacy and of pushing debt. on these countries seem to work so well that i had hypothesized a few years back that the corporatocracy realized that worked so well they started using it on americans drown us all in debt and then we'll work our whole lives together to try and get out. out of it pretty much for main docile and easily controllable and productive productive member of society for the for the corporatocracy and you sure enough in your extended version of confession said something similar is that right absolutely it's coming home to roost you know a. good education death college that university debt credit card debt mortgage debt all these these debts of faith could really slaved americans and it's one of the reasons why i think we're so done down and not rising up against what our country is doing in the world today and the threats i mean it's just it's

already just to think that a president of the united states would be sticking a thorn in the side of the head of state of north korea a very very dangerous country north korea and a very unstable and dangerous leader and we have it we have a very unstable invaders leader and he's just doing everything he can it seems like to. north korea and in america americans are talking about it but we're not doing anything he has been impeached yet you know it's just interesting to me that we're so dumb down that we just kind of accept what's going on and in the process the united states is definitely in decline you know china is on the rise united states is in the crime they've got to say it's our fault we've got no one to blame but ourselves you don't hear much of this on our on our corporate media can you talk a little about that who do you feel are our what is the goal of our corporate media if they're not talking about these incredibly urgent issues. their propaganda

machine for the most part for the big corporations you know it's interesting to me that people talking about it went wrong with capitalism well capitalism the kind of capitalism we have today is a failure it's a bad system it's what i call predatory capitalism but capitalism essentially means that the that the that the production facilities in the commercial facilities are owned by individuals by private citizens not by a government so if the small farmers markets are very capitalistic little markets in latin america capitalistic what we have today is something that stern capitalism on its head some people refer to as fascism it's where actually rather than the government controlling the means of production and commerce and that those who own the means of production or commerce or private citizens and they control the government and so the government the united states today is very very much controlled by the big corporations or the leadership of the big corporations

corporations are just people but their leaders have tremendous power and including over the media so the media today the mainstream media unlike you and me and there's quite a few others don't that are that are really being heard today the mainstream media is either going to out right by big corporations or it's manipulated by the corporations through advertising budgets yeah absolutely and some of it has to do with outright propaganda and some of it just has to do with muddying the waters with nonsense news all day long i mean if they fill the airwaves with trump's tweets and let's lay then you don't have to worry about all that other information we should be getting i want to get to something else here to talk about the eight industrial complex for lack of a better term people who support this corporatocracy our empire love to brag about how much aid the u.s. gives to other countries often developing countries why is why is that misleading.

well it's it's on if fortunate that most of the all of the aid that we give goes to supporting corporations that does not go to helping poor people that the matter is we don't give aid to going to give aid to our own corporations through the countries or the most part now there are exceptions you know after a major hurricane or something we spend a lot of water now in medicine and tents and that's very good and that's that's a good age a a good. but it's a very small part of the overall foreign aid that we give you know most of the foreign aid we give and it is there to boost us up as if to stop our corporations presence in those countries to really and slave those countries in a certain way yeah there's always plenty of strings attached so let's get to some solutions here answers what people can do in this this world that feels to me spiraling towards. unlimited corporate control in the in the updated versions of confessions you you list a bunch of steps people can take to create

a better world and switch us from as you call it a death economy to a life a cot to me one of the most important of those steps that you fail people can take well yeah and again you know the book has these lists of course if you're a student there's a lot of things you can do if you're you know if you're a business person is a lot of things you can if you're a parent so that so there's these lists but you know mostly what it is is that we're operating under a false premise in the role of perception i would say and that perception really happened in one thousand nine hundred seventy six when treatment when the nobel prize in economics and one of the most important statements he made was that the only business of business and the goal of business should be to maximize short term shareholder profits regardless of the long term or social environmental costs and that changed everything and i've been business school shortly before that and that's not what i was taught i was taught that you'd make a decent return for investors but you also your corporation should be a good citizen so this is created since one thousand nine hundred seventy six this

this terrible system that it's failing us today the oceans are rising the glaciers are melting there's warfare all over the world were threatened with nuclear holocaust we need to change our perception and understand that the goal of business should be make a better world pay investors a decent rate of return and invest that money in things that will clean up pollution that will regenerate destroyed environments and it will recycle it and use other technology. he said we don't have to dig up the earth anymore we don't have to have a death economy that kills the very resources upon which it depends so it's really and there's a lot of it getting to you should hear a question it's telling a new story it's telling a story that we only want to buy from businesses that are dedicated to making a better world for us and our children and grandchildren to create a life economy an economy that itself is a new a renewable resource so for everybody out there if your listeners i would say you know whatever you do keep telling that story if you're a cop and or build

a sustainable materials whenever possible and tell your clients why you're doing it and tell it this may cost a little bit more but you're you're investing in your children's future if you're you know if you're a writer as i am right about these things if you heard if you're a dentist you get your hands on some of his mouth talk about these things every one of us can spread the word depending on who we are what we do parents teachers plumbers whatever it is you do spread the word that we need to create a new story which is a life economy an economic system a political system in a social system and that creates a world that will continue and that it and an economic system that is itself a renewable resource whatever means you have for telling that story and also only shot from companies with companies that are dedicated to doing this and let them know you know write a letter write letters to ninety and monsanto in wal-mart and chevron and all the other companies saying hey you know i love your products but i'm going to buy

anymore until you pay your workers a fair wage here i mean up the pollution you cause until you create a life economy that monsanto know you're not going to buy any products that are made with monsanto seeds until they take the toxic chemicals out of the whole process that they've they've been slaves farmers who have. get the word out to be get and you know social networking consumer campaigns are very easy and fun these days and powerful let's send messages to all your networks and ask them to send messages to other layers and so forth absolutely people need to speak out about these things maybe some of what you just said up lies the best but i just wanted you to talk for a minute about your website dream change dot org that you're also the founder of it's incredible it's about teaching compassion and love to businesses it's all fair but it's all about businesses letting businesses understand that you know if they want to be loved if they want their products lives they want people to buy their products and to buy from them they need to be lovable and that means creating

a world that we will all want to inhabit and you can go to dream change dot org to find out more also my personal website john perkins daughter very right about the trips i've been taking a group of people to the mayan people of one of my own in january we had a few spaces there people go to my web site john perkins dot or and also dream changed to learn more about what that wonderful nonprofit organization is doing and it's launched and. john thank you so much for all your work and keep fighting out there my pleasure it's so great to be with you you do a great show and please keep spreading the earth message it's so important we got to get that story out there we got to change that perception and not change and change perception changes reality for have to go to a quick break but don't forget to check out the redacted and i pod cast because hello that is time for all of the content we put out i don't i know i dealt so get the audio version for free it's called moment of clarity and it's on i tunes and

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america is in the spotlight now every lehi have no idea how to classify as and it actually took me way more time than i care to admit. welcome back. so there's a new book coming out called the dangerous case of donald trump in which a group of twenty seven psychiatry and mental health experts warn that anyone as mentally unstable as donald trump should not be intrusted with the life and death powers of the presidency and this is true this is true. we all know we all know out of his mind out of shouldn't be trusted with a button and he bought an elevated bunch from trusted with elevator buttons but here's my problem with it with this doesn't then cold for most of our past presidents at least recently doesn't that they weren't they bombing innocent people

and just allowing the endless exploitation of our our world our resources our environment. so it's not that i disagree with on it i think they should say it is about done from what i also think they should have been saying this about so many others for so long i don't think pinning it on donald trump because people have to go along with all the right he can't do it all himself to go along with this bombing around the world and what this through with this economic system that created so many struggling i mean look at let's take for example rex tillerson right secretary of state they they act like he is the adult in the room in this cabinet but that still isn't wise and carrying this still is in a lot of ways the c.e.o. of exxon mobil the most devastating whole refrig gross vomitous organization and corporate corporation that ever.

in terms of number over lives destroyed number of people that just ruined their existence exxon mobil has a far more impressive resume than doll trump could could i hope you have psychiatry as to lance dodes a former harvard medical school professor says trump's sociopathic characteristics are undeniable and his speech and behavior show signs of significant mental derangement absolutely i absolutely agree. but then why does our corporate media. fall on him endlessly in a lot of ways i mean yes they criticize him a lot but they in a lot of ways they're fawning on him especially when it comes to the to our board games to our bombing and when he started bombing syria they all cheered at all and

they they cheer on most of his belligerence with north korea yeah every once in awhile there go all he doesn't know what to do and but most of the time with our war games it i mean like i've said many times the democrats helped confirm general mad dog mattis is secretary of defense ninety eight to one and the one the one that voted against i don't know i'm sure it was think it was like the. guy guarding the door you know was like a janitor walked in there he was the one that was i r o a don't don't put that guy in charge of the defense to bar and they were like shut up you know we've got a vote to do all right trump shows the following characteristics that are terrible for a president impulsivity recklessness an inability to accept facts rage reactions in attraction to violence of proneness to incite violence all these

things are signs of danger again i agree i absolutely i don't know man do i agree totally totally agree. but let's go through some of these that they list inability to accept facts hillary clinton brock obama george w. bush all of them were completely and utterly unwilling to accept all kinds of facts first and foremost climate change right they knew what they knew was how they knew that the dead sea of c o two increases in the environment they say they knew about and what do they do more oil pipe than ever hillary clinton ran around the world pushing fracking fracking which is within the methane release and fracking is more dangerous than other gases factory farming which causes more climate change than our cars do they fine with that right totally great agricultural subsidies could do more of it so they they didn't take in any of those facts whatsoever

unwilling to accept the results of unfettered capitalism right we're talking about a system that requires infinite growth on a planet with finite resources that's impossible that's physically impossible for that to continue forever and we're seeing it as systems collapse around the world right the oceans are acidifying and raise a getting higher than the our biodiversity is collapsing they were unwilling to see how wall street abused the american people and tied them down to endless dead peonage right with crushing debt we're all we're all what have you noticed people are walking around a little lower. bad on i'm thinking high even amarah it's good to see how bad the weather yeah well it is slowly being crushed into diamonds because of the debt on

our heads. and that's all of these last several presidents and trump's doing it to is to allow a wall street to run wild right and our media is complicit in that they allow wall street's continued exploitation and destruction of our world but no it's just a system trumped a system so. i want to move on now to another article but a very related topic cnn's crist's salissa is it was shocked and horrified that donald trump is treating a potential war like a reality show cliffhanger as if c.n.n. is one to talk see an ad budget of overpaid douchebags has been acting like war and death and destruction is a wacky carnival for all to enjoy for the past thirty years they perpetuate a horror show of warmongering fear mongering belligerent manufacturing of

consent they take the fact that most americans are not questioning what they hear on the t.v. because their elbow deep in a in a jar of mayonnaise to see me are on top of their deep dish pizza because because it didn't make the proper. sound as they've been into it like the first time so you add a little in the key is to really you can't really get that humming along because to do you know otherwise the meal would you know the meal won't have the requisite artery clogging requirements you wanna you want that so loud that the neighbors deaf dogs start barking. central lights go on around the neighborhood that's what you want really get home along. anyway c.n.n. has taken advantage and furthered the pride in the durance in this country by pretending that reporting on war literally the killing of often unarmed

civilians is the same as reporting on a video game who did what you did look at it look at our smart bombs let them go look at how they a blitter write everything from the sky smart that there's no such thing as a smart weapon except playing chess with anyone. it's destroying everything a smart bomb smart bomb is about the same as saying the smart disease a smart broken bone book i will believe our corporate media is worried about trump's insane tendencies tendencies toward violence and destruction when they stop cheering on war like they're a high school cheerleader go and be aggressive p.p. aggressive when they stop doing that that's when i'll believe they give a flying fuck about trump. that's all the time i have but if you want to find out

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