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welcome to the encomiums sophie shevardnadze the accusations of state supported doping in russia are we get to be proven true but already there is talk of banning team russia from the twenty eight in one to olympics well there will be a blanket ban and what will that mean for the end. global sports. or russia sports minister of. the people world cup and the

twenty eighteen winter olympics around the corner a doping controversy threatens to overshadow the athletic spectacles as calls for a blanket competition on t.v. russia grows louder what will it take to persuade the world doping agency used to work on a case by case basis of russian athletes overcome the university build up by duping accusations. all the olympic committee finds a way to work out this crisis. that i suspect your wish minister gough well thanks for being with us today lots to talk about let's start with the most actually the anti-doping agencies of seventeen countries including the u.s. canada great britain sent a letter to the i.o.c. asking to ban team russia from the winter olympics of twenty eighteen zero chance our our athletes won't go there. and what is being done to fix the situation are you in direct contact with the the. with.

well this is a multiplayer to question so let me start with the seventeen agencies you mentioned and there's this organization which was created by seventeen anti-doping agencies to help national anti-doping bodies with educational programs establishing certain standards that kind of thing and so by the statement you mentioned they clearly overstepped their mandate but it's up to international and national sports federations and the i.o.c. to oversee the development of sports so what they saying is just their personal opinion and your accordingly would already bait soo much attention to that i think they should mind their own business and stick to the things they're supposed to be doing but at the capitol and. there is no real threat no there is no real threat i could even tell you that after the statement the seventy nine i don't gauge and she's made water president craig really commented on the situation saying that those people really overstepped their limits and as far as being chairing is

concerned our athletes are preparing for the olympics world championship competitions and different sports are now taking place as well and we're participating so at this point we don't have any doubts that our team will take part in the olympics. no the next google is saying is that an accusation is always louder than the rebuttal so how ever clean our athletes might be there is still an after a chase last day is easier for the world press to just write all russian athletes cheat i mean so we have the public opinion and then there were sport just how do you make yourself heard here which at the venue is true well that's why we're having this conversation today with you and that's why i have to meet with international organizations and it's an international conferences explaining our position of course we're concerned about the situation but we don't really overreact we do our best to work constructively with our partners the international olympic committee and different international federations and water as well the

talks and they hear us because we've known each other for a long time i was in the water foundation board for four years i know the directors of all these organizations and yes there's a certain difference of opinion but i see it rather as a challenge something we just need to work out. with bottle be made of a couple examples of athletes from different countries who got caught using dope and came up with very creative explanations there was a scare from norway theorise joe hockey and she said that doping got into her system through ten english american runner joel roberts he says well you know i kissed a girl and that's how i got it but you know how i only had to serve two months of suspension and the runner just got away with it but in our case to reaction is really harsh against russian athletes and there is no rock solid proof can we say outright that wada is biased. no i would not say that i would not say

what is biased however i would like to see one standard applied to everybody in the usual situation is that when there is an incident separate commission is formed in the incident is investigated individually so what we would like to see is commissions and investigations in every individual case every time there should be some regulation about that and i've repeatedly spoken about this when i was on the foundation board of water so i don't want to talk about bias but there are situations like the ones you mentioned i mean there was a similar case when a hockey player claimed he only kissed a girl and she was some kind of us can cream and that's how something got into a system there are situations like that you would expect athletes to say when they get caught they always try to come up with some kind of explanation but we have plenty of problems of our own so frankly i don't want to discuss other people's problems with you so i think if i said look why has started ninety six case against

our efforts those are our problems already ninety five of these cases went nowhere for the lack of definite proof of guilt light such as shaky proof cost so much damage that well one. of the but that's what we've been saying all along we always say that there should be personal liability for athletes each incident should be properly investigated we always say that we're willing to provide all the data available to us and that's what we're doing with all our federations work with their international counterparts providing them with all the documents and all the data required so we have the situation now where ninety five of our athletes have been cleared actually we still don't even know their names and if the ask who those athletes are but we didn't get an answer but and of course we're happy that they've been cleared and we believe that this is the way to go to investigate each incident individually the brother. in law and it come back to the individual investigations

but i. i want to ask you about the russian into i don't think agency which is slowly beginning to operate again under international supervision when will it become fully functional and independent you have sat in march that it will happen in november that is like very soon. which goes to show her nightly the russian anti-doping agency has been declared non compliant with the water code it essentially has been operating as a regular anti-doping agency since me. what this means is that it has been in charge of planning testing of educational programs and investigations of course you caught us still a sister doping officers as they've been doing for the past eighteen months left to international experts working at risotto but essentially the agency is fully independent organizationally as well as financial. tobar we had a thorough audit done by wada all the data was sent to the water compliance commission which will meet in october twenty fourth to review the status of the russian anti-doping agency and then they'll send the recriminations to the water

foundation board which will meet in november and that's when the final decision on compliance with the bottom will be made if in fact that is not the only agency that has been declared non compliance and i think there are about seven agencies like that doesn't mean though that our athletes are unable to compete or to be tested the all compete and they're all being tested by rosado or by their federations so we really have to worry because we know that all of our athletes are being properly tested or alleged well you know this and that more and that wada hass to keep the requirements of russia first is to acknowledge that the mclaren doping report is accurate and second is to show the job and probes that are at the moment in the hands of the russian law enforcement are you ready to go along with those demands. as soon as the mclaren report came out but we responded immediately first to replace the presidents of the federations in question there were some high profile cases were placed

a number of a. vishal is in charge of anti-doping policies at the ministry of sports we also we started reforming the russian anti-doping agency and the entitled being lab which has now been transferred to moscow state university in the the russian law enforcement immediately launched a probe which is still under way so you might say we didn't ignore them atlanta report the report itself is very complex does a lot of data in it and immediately after its release the i.o.c. set up two commissions many federations are conducting their own investigations as well so we have received this information and we agree with some of the issues raised in the report and with some others we don't agree with it but i can tell you clearly that we have never had a state sponsored doping system in russia which is the primary accusation in the report we have never had any institutional conspiracy so we have made that the problem is there and we're working on it as you know the government has adopted a set of measures to reform our anti-doping policies in other words the government is now directly involved in this work so we will present our position and all the

data shortly before the compliance commission meets with its far samples are concerned like i said the law enforcement probe is underway investigators are questioning witnesses and performing tests samples are being used as evidence so the company released right now the investigation is led by an independent body and i don't even know when they're going to finish but once it is completed it is quite possible that a decision will be made to hand over the samples so there's nothing i can say at this point like i said it's not up to the ministry of sports but it's. that led to great mclaren sat there russians refused to talk to him what he have to say to that. well actually i personally met with mclaren about a year ago and heads of the russian olympic committee and the independent anti-doping commission has also met with him and we have complied with all requests for information not just from mclaren. but also from wada and we're continuing to

do so working with the two i.o.c. commissions as well so i would disagree with mcclaren on this we have never refused to meet him on the contrary we kept inviting him as far as i know the russian investigative committee formally requested information from a cleric and his sources. yeah let's talk a bit about the i.o.c. which is actually taking at peacemaking position so to speak is looking for some kind of compromise the anti-doping organization and counterpoint are taking the harsh stance calling for sanctions blanket bands etc why is are such a difference in approach and can the i.o.c. help russia somehow. which. i wouldn't really compare these two organizations you know because they have completely different i'm sure you know. those two organizations they do decide something here. well the international olympic

committee organizers dealing the games and of course the i.o.c. wants to see harmony and integrity in the olympic movement but i wouldn't say that the i.o.c. defense us or takes our side that is not entirely true because the i.o.c. is conducting an unbiased investigation of the information it received from the mclaren reports that mclaren in any case will be. able to have fresh air not other feelings they do you have that power talk question if they want to and. we don't really need help we want an objective investigation into every fact mentioned in the report we're fully complying with all their demands but we support the idea of individual not collective responsibility of every athlete every coach must be responsible for their own actions and decisions so say it again we don't need help for saying because we are working with the international olympic committee and we're submitting all the data they ask for and you can just recently alexandru gov that was mr smith and i answered all the questions the commission had

for us. was a year in cooperation with the schmidt commissioner michael schmidt as well of course you cannot imagine the volume of documents we have submitted to the commission we support the work and we're positive but that they're responsible and highly professional people just. that the. we'll take a break right now while we're back we'll continue discussing russia's untied dopping efforts with russia's sports minister. will stay with us.

now we're back with the russia sports minister. discussing a situation where the question asked let's say had twenty eight winter olympics welcome back mr minister. so i ask you about the russian paralympic team but where are we at right now yes well they be able to take part in the games all right for two years our athletes have been left out of international paralympic events who were present at other competitions that are not part of the international paralympic committee or roster if you even participated in the world championships five people have qualified for the paralympic curling team in september the

international paralympic committee decided to allow russian athletes to compete under a neutral flag for now in paralympic qualifiers sixty eight athletes will participate in these qualifiers i'm convinced that all of them will win their chance to compete in the paralympics because all our athletes are in top shape and are respected by international sports community so expect seventy three people to compete in the paralympics. today lately of thing though the russian weightlifting team has been handed a one near suspension here's situation is more complicated than inflicts and synthetics it athletes at least have an opportunity to participate under and natural flecked what are we doing about this. or the situation without weightlifters is different from the track and field situation the international weightlifting federation made a ruling against several countries which had serious problems teams from eight or nine countries including russia cannot compete internationally for about a year the term differs a little bit from country to country and yes many of our athletes tested positive

and the same is true for weightlifters from china ukraine azerbaijan and some other countries of course we aren't happy with the situation but this would be a good opportunity for us leads to think everything over the international weightlifting federation is also experiencing certain difficulties in its relations with the international olympic committee this is one of the most problematic sports that say but our junior and cadet went to will participate in all international competitions were to miss the world championship this year but i'm sure that all our athletes will compete in all international events next year working together with the federation we have developed an anti-doping plan so we're ready to work on the issue and use this time to think about what could be done. in a case our athletics performers now have to compete under natural flag like you are fighting for their right to compete under the national banner is a figure in or nurture a flag really that different from the one under the russian flag emma will know

those are russian athletes. of course we all know that and the whole world knows that the athletes who competed in the recent. world championships were russian champions eleven people were there and they got six medals but it isn't salting and humiliating not to be able to compete under your country's slack and i think it wasn't a smart decision on the part of the federation as well. if the made itself look a little silly it adopted a very formal approach and it looks strange and we're doing everything we can to change that unfortunately the i.a.f. didn't even explain why certain athletes were allowed or not allowed to compete i really hope this will soon get resolved which is. why i will try to settle all of this it's still better for our athletes to win medals instead of waiting until they're allowed to compete in russian colors of course it's very important to athletes it's their whole life to start training when they're six or seven years

old and they prepare for the olympics and world championships all their lives they have been working very hard for this it is their life's goal to compete internationally because even with a neutral flag we don't know that they're russian athletes who represent our country and fight not only for themselves but also for other people who have been banned. yet us not just a government minister right you're also an olympic champion this whole doping story you can't deny it's a problem in global sports not just russia what do you think is there such thing as clean sport nowadays some am having an impression that the physical competition has turned into a competition of enhanced meant trucks. well. you know what the i really think that most sports are clean but there's really so much talk about the problems of doping and for judging fans and safety for making sports mostly about these issues and not actual competitions we ourselves made doping the main

issue in sports forgetting about the real thing. because the basic level what can you do if there is just more of this is not exactly the case last year russian athletes have been tested by the u.k. anti-doping a number of times and only zero point six percent of athletes at tested positive naturally there will always be athletes who use dishonest means to achieve good results but there's not a lot of them and their number is decreasing methods for detecting doping are getting more and more sophisticated also most athletes intend to achieve some results in sports by honest means and keep the principles of fair play alive that's how i compete it and i believe that the respect of your friends colleagues and competitors is as valuable as gold medals. just other rule that out really get maybe you'll have me as an athlete for instance a person with aston i can take tipping or someone whether they even looser defined a d h d can take band tracks that no one else is out to take your predecessor that

you would question he told me that there are some teams where eighty percent of athletes suffer from asthma and i don't know i mean i'm not a pro in this field but it's just not a fair rule maybe. one hand this rule which is called therapeutic use exemptions it is indispensable because there are fleets with medical conditions that require them to take particular medications and they must also have a chance to participate in competitions i myself used a certain medication when i participated in competitions but my medication actually disrupted my performance instead of helping you achieve better results on the other hand certain medications. not only help with athletes conditions but also have performance enhancing effects perming goal is to ensure an equal playing field for all athletes some athletes who are healthy aren't using any mitigation it's others are granted. to use certain substances not only cure and help them but also has the

performance that we should really look into this i'm talking not only about russia but also about wada because the principle of equal conditions is being violated with a principle and what it does well i also feel that this rule leaves too many loopholes i mean asked my is one thing it's serious but eighty eight i mean it's such a loose take most is what is it at the end of the day i mean anyone can claim to have it say oh i have this disorder i may have attention deficit but i don't take banned substances to concentrate on this interview right now you know i try to handle it however if the attention deficit disorder is a serious condition though so we should only pay more attention to these cases. and should let you go it's so i also want to talk about how sport is funded and russian in china the government supports it in western countries sport is more often financed privately do you think that there might be a situation where a coach goes to ban the doping rules i mean to justify the budget subsidy he gets.

i know that these things aren't related i'm sure as for funding in sports it always comes from farias sources more or less maybe only in america funding in sports is different there are many private sports associations student sports clubs they get a large portion of funding through advertising so it's really hard to make comparisons but in most countries governments play a big role in athletes training again we should take an individual approach here there are coaches who encourage hoping this is the reason why we russia have recently introduced criminal liability for coaches and other staff members who encouraged open practices and believe this will help us stop these dishonest coaches who force children to start using banned substances doping is actually very harmful for athletes health. so let's get away from the dope think about a few minutes this is also something that resonates in the world so mr roberts mark

roberts who had the english police operation during this twenty sixteen in france still thinks that the football hooligans are as threats despite all the initiatives taken by the russian government chantel fan and all of that the football hooligans they come and everyone should be afraid of them that's what he says what's to be done with. well what can we do about it what can we do about mark roberts nothing what can we do about such claims then you know we've successfully host of the confederations cup and we haven't had a single problem with fans look at the fan problem is not limited to russia we don't know what british fans are like for example they invented the whole thing even the word hogan is not of russian origin you know there are also turkish and french fans true there are certain individuals who violate rules but again the way the confederations cup was held proved that we know how to work with our fans but

it's a big world cup ticket sales have already started and we have already received three point five million applications from various countries what the shows is that foreign fans looked at the way the confederations cup went down and saw that everything was fine and decided to go with pay no attention to these kind of claims that we have a problem with fans i'm sure they're not based on real facts and on the actual evaluation of the situation with fans but of course handling them is a challenge for us. but you look i just want to hear from you like in simple terms do you think that in forstmann measures like putting more cops out in the streets are tracking known hella guns ban people from stadiums is this enough or something else needs to be done. of course first of all football clubs need to work with air france there are loyalty programs as well as matters of logistics for example where fans should be seated during the match it's also a matter of cultural and educational levels of fans we need to separate law abiding

fans who come to support their teams and are doing this very actively which is very good from those who come to. and cause disorder violate the law should get the administrative or criminal punishment they deserve you know we have introduced harsher penalties for example banning people from stadiums. so what happens to those who break the rules prison time so look at them well it depends i believe our law in this respect is absolutely clear first of all a person could be banned from matches for up to two years they could be fined they could also be subject to criminal punishment by the way for and fans who previously violated the law will not be able to come in this respect we naturally cooperate with foreign law enforcement and football institutions just like with doping you know with doping it's not just a matter of testing and punishment but it's also a matter of education and culture at the very beginning when people are introduced to sports you need to explain to them wide open is really bad for your health that

is our main task even though it's true that in certain kinds of sports this problem does exist. it's just it's at the game fifteen russia goes to the olympics after all how many medals should be expected well i wouldn't use the word if our athletes will go to the olympics as for the medals you know went to sports we can expect to get medals of all kinds of gold including ski jumping nordic combined and an alpine skiing our athletes could struggle but even there we could win medals i believe we can be in the top three of course it won't be easy to repeat the sochi achievements because in sochi or are athletes competing on their home ground with their fans supporting them the and he was he hasn't helped that it would be very difficult to repeat those results but i'm sure our feats are going to perform very decently to make the russian fans and the international fans very happy. let that. be said the special request for this president mr call a call for

a talking to russia we're talking to russia sports minister and discussing russia's anti-doping efforts a had of the twenty thousand winter olympics as well as upcoming football world cup with once again russian sports minister. that's it for this edition of.

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