there's. no ideas of multi-speed integration stopped the division process in its tracks will reforms flaunted at the highest level ever make it from the leader's speech is under the law and will major change a cold break the european project well it's really great to have you on our program today welcome thank you so we're going to talk about what's going on in europe right now. do you think europe is at risk of being slid into a chorus center and of perjury because you know i hear french president saying that actually needs different speech for those who want to move forward and for those who want to stay behind i would be much more concerned maybe two years ago but now all of the european countries are growing spain portugal ireland cyprus are out of the monitoring because newsom of the e.u. same european stability mechanism only greece is still. working in this context but

i'm sure in spring time greece windows will come out of these problems and economies always will the situation economically is now much better what we see today is kind of a political challenge to the decision of the british electorate one year ago to vote with a slight majority in favor of of exit leaving the european union this is something which concerns us and this is of course something which will be an enormous problem for the brits themselves but those who for europe do you support the idea of two speed europe to support what. is proposing right now that those who want to move faster should move faster and have different type of zone and then those who want to stay where they are you know then stay in a different kind of this is the present situation of the treaties that you came up for more cooperation or you can be a normal member. and i'm sure that in some areas there will be much more engagement

for instance when you need to pull the ceiling digital corporation to could be much more either we do it would to get go were some moving faster than the race but i think if some are really trying to go ahead i'm sure most of the countries will fold so the idea of maque always not so much divided to split europe but to give a wake up call to those who are a little bit more reluctant and that most of the member states will come along. i want to hear your opinion on what the polish president. said recently he actually said that e.u. is turning into a class society with some countries becoming second class members. do you think this is a process that has started and i take this critics very serious because i think it's a little bit unfair but. something which we should really consider we should not

be that way then to be very serious and my vision but i was for him it is that we started with a large amount of polling for instance. republican slovak republic and when i was prime minister we finished and concluded. negotiations with the new member states and i was really always very pushy for enlargement of the european union to give really does eastern european and central used to sell to used to be european countries full perspective to be. in full fledged member of the union so if they have the impression they are not treated in a respectful and equal footing way then the makes me a little bit concerned that should not be the way they should think maybe they have different feelings and they are not engaged enough on the other hand we should really think about our position so maybe we should be much more open minded actually we're going to talk about how their views differ from their use of the

core of central europe but if i'm just going to give you a little example you know there's been like this between east and the west in here up broke out recently it was a food scandal supposedly west exports or imports to the eastern europe food that's made of worst stuff that what is sold in the west why is there such approach that everything that goes to the east could be a quality less or that whatever is. still acceptable to be very frank of the inacceptable i think the same quality at the same price of course it's cheaper than it's a different case but it is same price as same quality must be. distributed everywhere and in my opinion the commission is the institution. who is responsible to money toward the functioning of the cd market this is part of the cd market they must guarantee they they must look it's the quality of these for this little mission

the commission is now really working on that they are fully aware this is not acceptable and we never defamed a company is offering something of a second to quality and higher price to the eastern countries to suppose so let's talk more about the outlook of the eastern european countries as opposed to a core block for instance division which is poland hungary slovakia's czechia. they have a different outlook on questions on core value questions. mostly on the refugee policy and that really differs from their fellows in the west should they be brought in line with the rest of europe forces forcefully or should their outlook actually balance the western outlook what do you think. first of all about the country. is this sometimes seem from the form of an outside b. have different opinions to do czech republic music completely different opinion

than poland slovakia is it will be in between is also very much of the side of poland so in my opinion. some decisions of the european council. the council of european ministers who were wise enough for this is the european council the prime ministers decided on a voluntary basis to take in researchers from syria three weeks later the ministers for interior with the foreign ministers were the ministry of interior i think so decided on it already go to rebase is equal to each country and this was by and by may joy. and this was not accepted by those who voted against because they failed. there is nor there is no basis for two for such a decision in the treaties. it was a big dispute going up to the european council or to the european court of justice and defacto decided in favor of the original decision but this is something which

was not very wise in my opinion the proposal i'm not alone in politics is my personal opinion you can do this but only leave voluntary basis who can look for somebody in such scenes if you should because this is really part of who has to control to take in someone by the way. i know him quite well took him voluntarily a lot of thousands of syrian refugees but not decoding to decode but on the station some christians who were threatened by the. islamic fundamentalists who had taken the unit he was in contact with with the bishop in syria so i think it was good decision so this is the way. this is the way to work but it's not exactly they were it's working right now because right now brazil is threatening fines and penalties of history european countries there with which she got countries done taking their share of refuge arrivals how far can you push

states on this or do you think no there's no fines in the moment discussions on that threatening just discussions and it would require a huge majority for get it this is. not the real way and we are the family we have to talk to each other we have to negotiate sometimes defeat very difficult discussions during night time or in the morning but there is a need to discuss and to negotiate in those two to force somebody over to punish somebody did not work on those also european commission or commission presidential he's saying that he must be expanded in essence suggesting that making the year a compulsory. for all members is a good thing he actually believes that this would unite the union instead of divide it what do you think this is the treated and to be fair. just mentioned what is the

treaty of the european union so the fact that everybody with the exception of those who haven't opened out the danes and the brits would be racist. is is they would say fulfill all the criteria stuff they should join the euro on the other hand i think time is now a little bit changing we have our own experiences with a large movie use only the past i think there's much more. reluctance we read we are much more in line with conventional wisdom with negotiations they say to those who i think is to treaties who was right about that but in practical terms we could time it will take time and nobody would be forced against the so here we in into the euro zone so yeah because like a very precise example nowadays of course paul has fulfilled all the criteria is it

can actually adopt euro but it's kind of reluctant because you know euro zone has troubles same to take economy of why it will. in europe they can actually do your weight as much as they want i think this is not a treaty but. the european union is famous for flexibility and. we did the freedom to interpret some rules and i think we will do it when i talk to you about there were shuffle of the political scene all over europe in general so in france you have man and then there's this super traditionalist politician to say the least just might second round presidential election beating in the beginning traditional parties you also have the fire rattle turned in for a german. the party that came there are germany's parliamentary election italy's and five star movement the northern league they're all gaining ground how do you explain this political shuffle this tendency what's going on happen these are

protest votes. this is a kind of the wake up call people are protesting against we're in favor of something and if you look to the real results for instance in the french election. what really counts is the national election for the parliament the pain developed to gain the flu seats nothing more the fact that it is difficult to disappear in the parliament you keep the same in great britain. not a single member of you keep today in the british parliament. stadio turn to differ germany made twelve point five percent that means. eighty seven point five did not vote for for these for these personalities if you look to. not leading. the freedom party in. twenty six k.

mean third party i mean this is legitime it is boyce's of concern and hopefully a wake up call for the other parties need to be more competitive to be more. into the mouth the hearts of the what exactly what precisely are they protesting what you say it's different from to determine the election was killed dominated to do so the last election clearly dominated by migration that's for sure is a migration of refugees this was the major issue and i think we are no exactly listening what the concerns of the people are in changing our policy this is what democracies are you. about the. elite flying in the orbit in space in space but we are we down to earth and to listen what are the real problems of cities so to change same in germany to change completely the politics it is

much more controlling the flow the floor of of migrants and refugees and it will pay off no doubt about it and this is the way our democracies work sometimes you have conflict democracy needs drama and conflicts all the time because you have turned the thieves at the table is not a dictatorship dictator says yes everybody bows and all in democracies you have to fight for your opinion and have to listen to the people. take a short break right now we're back we'll continue talking to us just former chancellor of all conscious still about the european community stay with us.

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yeah he was on the phone. for all of us hoping to get much but if you have a lot of them off of. the ground in additional real. killer then i'm all into it is being done of it's going to be this going to be what i mean. look. good. and we're back with former chancellor shoes still. a lot talk a bit about u.k.

leaving the uni and things aren't going to be the same it's happening right now do you feel like a powerful member leaving the union it's going to weaken it on the contrary strengthen a because now you're not going to have a skeptical brits who are going to be part of the pan every decision making process so that if there is maybe both it weakens us of course economically because the british economy is a strong economy and alter the world. economy you do weaken the us because the brits if it makes you and internation made good contacts all over diverted asia and latin america in america. so this we can see the other hand it strains and saw who are really interested. much more forward in a way to train our foreign policy to strengthen our defense capability building.

not in competition with nato but for instance in in peacekeeping operations there were what we did in enough or in the balkans or in in other in other parts of the world mostly with an un mandate or within the mandate or you see who we see even in the so this is something care where the brits were always very reluctant so this is something where the rest of the european union could go deeper in to a better integrated union but to both is probably true and the same for the great great economic elites it will be a disaster for great britain because a lot of companies will move to the continent we will create a lot of tensions and problems we have to establish new bureaucracies controlling the environment the consumer protection the atomic security issues and all these trade issues very complicated areas it will not be easy for the brits on the other

hand they have been a little bit more room to maneuver day in day week to day we decided that we'll have to decide are we now bit of a little bit. and i want to quote once again john kludging care who said recently that britain will have to pay for it leaving the european union sometimes it feels like brussels is being very hostile to brits because once to scare their members from following london's example where living so harsh on the question of the bill the so-called to exit deal i mean the brits no quiet skilled negotiators they know you're in there is part of the european union they've decided on something which they are now responsible is way. way way to order something can go away without paying the bill to the question is how big is the bill is it really

hundred billion this is sixty billion. is it twenty billion but there is a may or for this is has to be negotiated but i think it should be negotiated only on a fake based way so not so to say to punish somebody over to make a cheap when i think at the end he will find a compromise on that. who just won election in the country has actually blamed brussels particularly the e.u. refugee policy for breakfast and that's actually very. that's contrary to the official european here does have a point here it was not so much a blame game it was more. the concern that if we don't change our rules the dishing and zones has to be limits no borders and so on but in excellent efficient control

of the external border and this one is they feel like if brussels hadn't been that harsh with their refugee policy especially with britain britain could have still been part of the european union i doubt a little bit because the main issue in great britain was to take back control or you said nothing to do with migration because it reproduces not a member of the schengen so on they control their borders they have not the same currency they are not part of the european prosecutor of the jury system so this is not they're not the real problem the real problem was take controlled by opium the brits made a big mistake they opened from the very first moment the labor market for the east european migrants and they expected fifty thousand people to come from the tame new member states and did in one billion poles alone ok this was an absolute mistake a miscalculation now austria. itself a country that has first welcomed refugees with open arms and now it's passing

serious measures such as a ban on face they also how has it come to that first different thing to do with the refugees i think what kind of does because most of the refugees are from muslim origin but we didn't have many refugees with the only poor countries for people to teach or who is who we choose to live daily in your face this is this is a different case i think this is a principle issue what our values and in our in our european system we want to see the faces of our people is for sure they don't feel like austria is turning over right politically not at all not at all everybody has the same rights but if we have an instance if if you woman and woman goes to saudi arabia she has to do with who wear a veil and if a saudi arabian or in god of

a woman who wants to travel to us we came not to wear a suit to rule i think this is quite easy to handle and there's no did not know to illiberal this is a cultural norm and i think this is something everybody understands and by the way to a ninety percent of the people are of the same opinion the same in france as he would be in beijing other countries but mr courts is going to be actually works the world's youngest leader he has won a lot on the issues raised by for instance your far right freedom party. i feel like maybe it's their victory to a little bit no no i think they want israel but lace they want. plus seven point five percent in the election last sunday the fifteenth of october and the freedom party won five. sand and he was so to say the real one that he was

the one who closed the balkan balkan route he was the one really defamed. the protection of external borders sometimes it was not very much will come to the cape it was and today is the common position of the european union member states of the same opinion that we have to protect the external border leads to better mandate we have to help put those countries outside the european union image to arabian countries libya tunisia. roll call or the taliban these are the jordan people turkey we are absolutely ready for that and we have to pay more for the u.n. refugee camps was a big mistake to cut down the assistance to the u.n. world food program so this is absolutely necessary for accretion democrat to help and to support but it's also needed we have to control the flow of migrants coming to europe and this is now the my my opinion the common opinion so you are the first

one actually to welcome the freedom party into the government back in the day and we immediately got a diplomatic boycott from all of your european neighbors do you feel that this a criticism for the same experience right now no i think so because i don't think so because. they learned their lesson the sanctions work for you need back simoom seven eight months and then they gave it up with no gain at all. the people live. where united behind my government and the we proved that this government from the people's body freedom party was absolutely full european we decided nearly unanimous on you enlargement and on the e.u. treaties the european constitutional treaty was defunct unanimously if you said. it in the parliament. today would be impossible by the way you asked in parliament

which are two huge majority so we prove that we can we form a country we are still pro european country but with our own priorities and i'm sure the bust includes we do the same he's pro european whose approved foreign minister with a good credential and i'm sure the freedom party of two days was who really where did their part of the pain. keep someone else but to those who are interested in the way functioning europe it was some critical elements to centralization subsidiarity more ok but european current austrian leadership is a less anti russian than its predecessors do you think we'll see a shift in our streets policy maybe movement towards is in the sanctions interrogation almost we never knew it was never the russian this is so this for sure encounter it we had we see our country is a kind of

a breach of our cultures of people and will be our neighbor. until russia was we were not happy with the annexation of the cream because. if then you should do it even be called into international law there's the possibility for safe determinations you know what. i already know that it's going to cost over and that's for sure that. in my opinion there is the need for a better regulation on the international law forward these things by the way also for the qatari creations then this is not this is rude to do with it this is decided in the very ambiguous way. that the right for self-determination on the other hand the intake of countries this is borders who i think we see here is we see our country as a breach. we do not to rush and we think that after the election as we do for

paternity and we should look where could be useful to see a paucity of spiral upwards if europe and other friends to this russia in that way to develop a much better functioning situation i think everybody's interested because but what is gaining in the moment you sanctions are working but they are damaging both sides to the reality they are damaging our economy it's damaging the russian economy and the russian financial system and i know a lot of people who are looking for a creative ways to get better results well thank you very much for this insightful interview and with thank the grant pollyanna hotel thirteen eighty nine for letting us host our program here.

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