so the this got to be but i mean. did you know you're. getting there but i'm left. stanton glantz only learned of this case through the documents we showed him the approaches that they used to attack the person doing the research on linking cured meats with cancer were the standard things they do one is to go through her work with a fine tooth comb and find every little thing they could possibly complain about and because the issues tend to be fairly technical. you know if you're a politician or if you're a reporter or less sure a highly specialized order all you hear is well this person said there was something bad and this other person said that they didn't know what they were talking about and shuttle these efforts to go after the scientists and to discredit

the scientists is a key element of a much larger strategy just gum up the entire policy making process to the point where nothing happens that translates into hundreds of billions of dollars of sales of profits so the whole game is just slow down. in the documents on dr preston martin other even more machiavellian scenarios were studied. here it was suggested that talks be held with the scientist. and here a proposed seminar in order to lure her. to influence her and even shape the conclusions of her future studies. the common point of these documents they all come from the same lobbying firm multinational business services. already hired by philip morris to contest the

effects of passive smoking on health and headed by a certain jim thought see a master of influence. amazingly in washington the heart of american power this lobbyist is still well established. as he never answered our requests for an interview we went to see him without an appointment with our documents in hand and a hidden camera it's. for instance him to the u.s. he works here who are you where i'm going french and journalist i'm looking for and i'm working on the not the name. of the new point meant no new i was just looking

for him because i called from france but you can sound these on. the good news american lobbyists can be welcoming. we even managed to have jim talk to you on his cell phone. here come in here please. jim can you hear me. i want to just do some questions susan system not to. work. because you have this set up a strategy to discredit. us con man you are so i wanted to know more about this. well. i don't know if you're just talking about. me and i know if you do your work in congress i'm going to ask you i can say no i'm going to have to as you

believe. understand you if you like the welcoming lobbyist you love the angry one asking you to with no play enough to sleep now join each night leave you could lose your yes please please i am motoring you out can't just leave now that it's out. of here ok do you understand that you have a tough life out here and you cannot go back. to do you have to end like that. in the end mr trott's he did a great job well at least for the industrialist. back then and he pressed martin arguments were brought into the media spotlight. by this health journalist on a major national t.v. channel a few days after the publication of the famous study. let's get back to our hot dog

study remember they asked the people did you eat a hot dog they didn't ask them did you put it in a bun did you put ketchup on it did you put mustard on. you might be saying who really cares one way or the other but that's important because it may be that it's not the hot dog at all that's causing this increased risk of cancer or maybe it's the bun maybe it's the ketchup maybe it's the mustard so you have to be careful when you read these studies not to say oh this causes this thing. the powers that be didn't go any farther than one nine hundred seventy s. nitrites file which could have resurfaced remains locked away. you're probably wondering what susan president thinks the woman targeted by the lobby. we showed her the documents and what upset her the most was seeing that fellow scientists had played along with the industrialists. these professors will get paid a huge amount to do review by in this case probably the american media institute

i mean thousands and thousands of dollars they probably get more from doing this kind of thing than they do from their regular jobs. seeing your name like this in all. my goodness a i gave a lot of people a lot of work. were you aware of this well i was aware that the processed meat community was concerned but not aware of all the extent of this. twenty years on and she had turned the page. not of interest anymore that's how. the public awareness of science goes it's of interest in that it's not of interest seen in all that work but today but it doesn't it doesn't matter i mean it still in the literature and. in may includes people in future and it has influence people in the past and that's fine.

but another scientist involved in the case has enjoyed a much more flourishing career. a scientist paid by the american meat institute to shoot down susan preston martin's work. david clear found. today david kerrville is head of the u.s. government's nutrition program and he's invited all over the world for a scientific conferences where he gives his experts point of view. totally independent. to. introduce reasons why they didn't need this in order to be healthy diet has been just. on that day he was in france speaking to scientists from around the world about meat and the link between processed meat and cancer in order to denounce backed up by a power point the climate of fear panic and even hysteria. and we know because

we were there. it was right at the start of our investigation when we barely knew about nitrites and had the need of enlightened specialists to help us. so there are new reviews published this year that's the nitrite is not harmful and others that say it is harmful. i don't think anybody really knows. definitively what but the answer is. a few months after this handshake when we have learned more about the industry of doubt. bells started ringing. so we took advantage of our trip to america to ask him for another interview. only this time with a lot more cards up our sleeve.

do you remember. american meat institute no never no i was interested in the scientists was interesting martin yes do you know her i know who she is i do not know her personally do you remember reading a paper on her for the american meat institute found this and it was prepared for the american legion says fruit. ok there. this is something different yes. this was done twenty years ago roughly so. i had forgotten about that do you remember how much you were paid for this evaluation though i do not as i said it was twenty or twenty five years ago you didn't know when you were working for the american to do this or that philip morris was opening there.

i'm not going to say yes or no at this point in time because it's more than twenty years ago did you know that the tobacco strategy motto was doubt is our product no we never heard that you know that valve close your productive. that was not mine and that was not my intent my intent was to do an evaluation. if i had read these papers and found that there were not shortcomings in the papers that they would not deficiencies in the papers i don't think i would have criticized them but don't you think that your point of view would be stronger than your argument stronger if i hadn't found that you had been won by the american meat institute. no i don't i don't think that. would change it wouldn't change my point of view it might change your point of view that you tend to not believe what i'm saying because twenty five years ago i got some amount of

money that i don't remember are. for making progress he can't remember how much but he does remember getting paid. but you have to understand that the industry is a money making business so they're very risk averse they would not fund a study that. someone proposed to them that eating hot dogs increases the risk of childhood cancer why would they fund that you know they would only fund something that says proposes that childhood cancer is prevented by eating more hotdogs or there's no relationship you know there and they're not going to fund a study that. is bad for their business. well at least he's honest much of the meat industry is lobbying depends on collaboration with paid scientists and that still health things work.

during a conference on processed meats and cancer. of french scientists confirm that. there is no reference on the subject internationally renowned expert. he speaks and acts casually and doesn't bark at telling us how things work at five to give that. just because you're going to supersede must not speak to me. it's a. good point. to eat it to eat. just comes to me. all the. milf it is because if you all. did so i mean. you should she meet. me at the. fifty fifty. she does it it's not going to be about what you did

was an issue she didn't put on the school. about your sudden passing i've only just learnt you worry yourself and taken your last bang turn. to you as we all knew it would i tell you i'm sorry i could so i write these last words in hopes to put to rest these things that i never got off my chest. i remember when we first met my life turned on each. but then my feelings started to change you talked about war like it was again still

some more fun to feel those that didn't like to question our arc and i secretly promised to never be like it said one does not leave the funeral the same as one enters the mind it's consumed with death this one. i speak to him because there are no other takers. claimed that mainstream media has met its maker. how does it feel to be a share of the greatest job in the world it's as close to being a king as any job there is one business model helps to run a prison now we just do or don't like us is nobody oh visitation i don't know one cause any more we don't have to serve them anymore is the fridge if that's what they want to do that as long as they don't give a damn if you do the charge on their backs we pray enough to put it back into. the louisiana incarceration rate is twice as high as the usa bridge what she could is

behind such success. i see that's got a lot of pull a gun is going up at the bottom of the inside sally got to the know. about the been a good many that don't even see that young. people and daddies are scumbags that. by these. a few days later professor corp they sent us some e-mails and photos of scientists he suspects of being close to the food industry. among them two americans who came across at

a conference on meat and cancer. and nathan bryant. as we checked out these scientists profiles we discovered a document which should certainly never have been on the web. internal report issued by the american meat institute. it lays out the strategy for influencing the decisions of high profile organizations. this organization is the i r c international agency for research on cancer. this is to do should face the old front is the world wide reference on cancer. in two thousand and six. scientists classified nitrites in the probably

carcinogenic category of products group to. and that was bad for business. so lobbyists are fighting to have this classification changed. page sixty four of a document. change in the i.r.c. nitrate nitrate classified. patients from too aged to be cool possibly carcinogenic . the strategy has a name i am arcee challenged. it notably involves the two scientists we were interested in andrew bill koski and nathan bryant. armed with our brand new file it was time to set off to meet the meet sectors heavyweights. welcome to nashville tennessee the capital of country music and

notably the hometown of johnny cash. it's here that the american meat institute is holding its annual conference. in this huge building to be precise. the meat industry in the u.s. is very very big business. all of the world's biggest players are here. smithfield number one imports with a turnover of fourteen billion dollars a year cargo the giant with thirty three billion dollars a year in crude alone. and tyson he all divisions record holder this year will meet. with all of our divisions between or poultry and prepared between at thirty seven billion and forty billion dollars in revenue so it's a snowball many very small companies. we checked it's over forty

one billion dollars. after half an hour we spot a face in the crowd that rings a bell. that will and they're testing nibbles at every stand. that's right page ninety two of the i.r.c. challenge document with the short hair. institute senior vice president of public affairs janet riley. is just to please sir you know my lieutenant tried that yet i just tell you i'm something you go i'm looking for close to on to systems tend to answer and question about seduction type found. it is this document it didn't do it i'm sorry. i wanted to supposed to. poke it and i didn't see it registered no no actually it was in fact just so but i have some important question that you keep your business yes of course i have my stuff

journalist caught just a question but i want you to know what do you know about the eos challenge you know might be a octet into your camera and silly know what i'm doing that it's a book not touch and chances think you know this is mine so me and i wanted to know who came so much for our interview not really why you disagree with you why you are . having been escorted outside. this is my press conference ok. order to show id we try one last time it's close do it looks like what tobacco industry did for t.k. that sure that's your opinion but we're doing is providing science based here if you'd have to say that our products are safe and that's plenty to say right there but are you paying do scientists know you've got a camera will we know you. look away for such cases we always have a plan b. on the list of i.r.c. challenge scientists there was one who agreed to see us the first on the list.

andrew. we had to madison wisconsin. this city in the north of the united states is home to andrew moat housekeeper and the company of hot dog king oscar meyer who we came across in the preston martin case. the scientist worked for this company for thirty years. he now teaches at the university. but he doesn't hide his proximity to the american meat lobby. presented with our i.a.r. sea challenge documents he acknowledges everything. almost. so

did the meat industry paid you for this so i received some compensation for my time as well as the others how much i am likely to say i don't know thousands tens of thousands of dollars. small amounts can we have an idea. and defending nitrite seems to be a very big thing for industry looking for a substitute. has been attempted. and was a tall sally. something as chemically simple as nitrite. and as unique as nitrite having a substitute has not been possible to anyone's ability but if there is more risk of getting cancer don't you think it's important to try to find a solution now as we're going to see because they do not believe that that risk

is is true you think there is no risk at all i think the risk is. if it is indeed. on hearing that we pulled this expression. so for andrew wilkow ski the colorectal cancer the hundreds of studies on the dangers of nitrites none of it exists off you go nothing to do with it. in the united states it's thanks to scientists like neil county that the meat industry has been able to cut another notch in its belt. surprisingly in the health conscious state of california. this imposing building is home to the state cabinet level california environmental

protection agency. we have an appointment with sam dell sent deputy director for external and legislative affairs. to show us a document that doesn't exist in any other american state well michelle or not i am . selling. so this is the lists yes it's a list of substances judged dangerous to man by the state of california. to do business here manufacturers are banned from using the substances or they are obliged to warn consumers and it's very restrictive because there are over eight hundred products on the list so good example that would be tobacco smoke entirely and there's other things like as benzene that would be something you know we have come in things like exhaust and then here we have ants been on the news as aspirin you know it's

a special note especially for pregnant women oh here's kind of an odd one but you know the breath and you know if you want to eat this go for it but be aware that you maybe don't want to eat it every single day so i'm doing fine try. i tried is not on the list. it's been here since nitrites has been targeted but procedures have never been seen through when we believe the chemical meets the criteria for listing we post what's known as a notice of intent to list and that triggers a period in which people can submit public comments on whether it does or does not meet the criteria we review the comments before making a final decision to complete. the nitrites here are the comments that swung the scale of the seven contributions six come from food industry lobbyist. and with thirty one pages the winner is.

before the interview we show. our documents on the. challenge and the attempts at influence. based as an avalanche of proof gathered during months of investigation he ends up taking out his cell phone to take photos. however in answering our questions he seems less inspired. we. it's their business if they think that they can. influence a decision beyond the science but we want the science to the talking do you think it might happen that some times you are many predicted by the industry we. do our best. to make decisions based soley on the science regardless of whatever. pressure or words and said persuasion may be made by

a any outside group. ok. california will read salmon the dangers of nitrites but not before next year. for the lobby it's a mini victory time gained and profits not lost. in europe a new study on nitrite was expected in december two thousand and fifteen almost a year later it still has not been.

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