i'm interested always in the waters in the house it's. the signal. but i hope you don't. think. you may know that my ass is descended on the not to run and then still get the message in betty be theo i didn't notice no subtlety by the bio as temperatures. say yeah use the missiles according to sundance units not for myself indeed i must but if you have a lot of them behind it about the bust on the c.d.'s that accounts you don't need to yet another signal got idle please. kill adenoma lintel it is before the database doesn't obey this stuff but i mean. did you know

it. gets delivered what. he. stands and plants only learned of this case through the documents we showed him. the approaches that they used to attack the person doing the research on linking cured meats with cancer were the standard things they do one is to go through her work with a fine tooth comb and find every little thing they could possibly complain about and because the issues tend to be fairly technical. you know if you're a politician or if you're a reporter or english or a highly specialized reporter all you hear is well this person said there was something bad and this other person said that they didn't know what they were talking about and settled these efforts to go after the scientists and to discredit

the scientists is a key element of a much larger strategy to just gum up the entire policymaking process to the point where nothing happens that translates into hundreds of billions of dollars of sales of profits so the whole game is just slow down. in the documents on dr preston martin other even more machiavellian scenarios were studied. here it was suggested that talks be held with the scientist. and here a proposed seminar in order to lure her. to influence her and even shape the conclusions of her future studies. the common point of these documents they all come from the same lobbying firm multinational business services. already hired by philip morris to contest the

effects of passive smoking on health and headed by a certain jim toth see a master of influence. amazingly in washington the heart of american power this lobbyist is still well established. as he never answered our requests for an interview we went to see him without an appointment with our documents in hand and a hidden camera it's. for instance into the us who works here who are us i'm going to french and journalist i'm looking for and i'm working on the not being in the detail here of the new point meant no new i was just looking for him because i could from friends but you

just step in sound these are. the good news american lobbyists can be welcoming. we even managed to have jim talk to you on his cell phone. here come in here please. jim can you hear me. i want to ask you some questions susan system not to. work. because you have this set up a strategy to discredit. us con man you are so i wanted to know more about this. well. i don't know if you're just talking about. me and i know if you do your work in congress i'm going to ask you that you know i can say no i'm going to have

to as you believe. understand you if you like the welcoming lobbyist you love the angry why i'm asking you to have no play enough to sleep now join me to not leave you could lose your yes please please i am motoring you out can't just leave now that it's out. of here ok do you understand that you have a tough life. here and you cannot go back. to do you have to end like that. in the end mr trott's he did a great job well at least for the industrialist. back then and he pressed a martin arguments were brought into the media spotlight. by this health journalist on a major national t.v. channel a few days after the publication of the famous study. let's get back to our hot dog study remember they asked the people did you eat

a hot dog they didn't ask them did you put it in a bun did you put ketchup on it did you put mustard on. you might be saying who really cares one way or the other but that's important because it may be that it's not the hot dog at all that's causing this increased risk of cancer maybe it's the body maybe it's the ketchup maybe it's the mustard so you have to be careful when you read these studies not to say oh this causes this. the powers that be didn't go any farther than nine hundred seventy s. nitrites file which could have resurfaced remains locked away. you're probably wondering what susan president thinks the woman targeted by the lobby. we showed her the documents and what upset her the most was seeing that fellow scientists had played along with the industrialists. these professors will get paid a huge amount to do review by in this case probably the american media

i mean thousands and thousands of dollars they probably get more from doing this kind of thing than they do from their regular jobs. seeing your name like this in all. my goodness a i gave a lot of people a lot of work. were you aware of this well i was aware that the processed meat community was concerned. but not aware of all the extent of this. twenty years on and she had turned the page. not of interest anymore that's how. the public awareness of science goes it's interesting that it's not of interest seen in all that work today but it doesn't it doesn't matter i mean it's still in the literature and. it may influence people in future and it has influence people in the past and that's fine.

but another scientist involved in the case has enjoyed a much more flourishing career. a scientist paid by the american meat institute to shoot down susan preston martin's work. david clear fell. today david kerrville is head of the u.s. government's nutrition program and he's invited all over the world for a scientific conferences where he gives his experts point of view. totally independent. this week to. introduce reasons why the meat is important to the healthy diet it's been just. on that day he was in front speaking to scientists from around the world about meat and the link between processed meat and cancer in order to denounce backed up by a power point the climate of fear panic and even hysteria. and we know because

we were there. it was right at the start of our investigation when we barely knew about nitrites and had the need of enlightened specialists to help us. so there are new reviews published this year that say nitrite is not harmful and others that say it is harmful. i don't think anybody really knows. definitively what but the answer is. a few months after this handshake when we have learned more about the industry of doubt. bells started ringing. so we took advantage of our trip to america to ask him for another interview. only this time with a lot more cards up our sleeve.

do you remember american meat institute no never no i was interested in the scientists was interesting martin yes do you know her i know who she is i do not know her personally i do remember reading a paper on her desk for the american media institute found this and it was prepared for the american to institute. ok there. this is something different yes. this was done twenty years ago roughly so. i had forgotten about that do you remember how much you were paid for this evaluation though i do not as i said it was twenty or twenty five years ago you didn't know when you were working for the american to do this or that philip morris was opening there.

i'm not going to say yes or no at this point in time because it's more than twenty years ago did you know that the strategy motto was doubt is our product no we never heard that you know that valve close your productive to. that was not mine and that was not my intent my intent was to do an evaluation. if i had read these papers and found that there were not shortcomings in the papers that they would not deficiencies in the papers i don't think i would have criticized them but don't you think that your point of view would be stronger than your argument stronger if i hadn't found that you had been won by the american meat institute. no i don't i don't think that. would change it wouldn't change my point of view it might change your point of view that you tend to not believe what i'm saying because twenty five years ago i got some amount of

money that i don't remember are. for making progress he can't remember how much but he does remember getting paid. but you have to understand that the industry is a money making business so they're very risk averse they would not fund a study that. someone proposed to them that eating hot dogs increases the risk of childhood cancer why would they fund that you know they would only fund something that says proposes that childhood cancer is prevented by eating more hotdogs or there's no relationship you know they're not going to fund a study that. is bad for their business. well at least he's honest much of the meat industry's lobbying depends on collaboration with paid scientists and that's still how things work.

during a conference on processed meats and cancer. of french scientists confirm that. there is a reference on the subject internationally renowned expert. he speaks and acts casually and doesn't bark at telling us how things work at sight if you give that. it is just because he you're going to supersede must not speak to me. it's a. good point. it's a deep. that's comes to me. all that. it was it is true and does fit it because if you all. did so i mean. you should. meet. me at this juncture fifty fifty split fifty to see this look it's not going to be about what you did was an issue

she didn't put on the school. i played for many clubs over the years so i know the game inside guides. football isn't only about what happens on the pitch for the final school it's about the passion from the fans it's the age of the superman each kill the narrowness and spending two to twenty million. it's an experience like nothing else not to because i want to share what i think of what i know about the beautiful game great so what more chance for. peace it's minute.

how does it feel to be a sheriff the greatest job in the world it's as close to being a king as any job there is one business model helps to run a prison now we just do it on like i said you know mediocre visitation i don't know what comes in you know we don't have to sergeant anymore it's cost effective that's what they want to do that i know and they don't give a damn if you didn't charge or not there are actually paying us to put it back into the louisiana incarceration rate is twice as high as the us sam bridge what she could is behind such success.

a few days later professor corp a sent us some emails and photos of scientists he suspects of being close to the food industry. to americans he came across at a conference on meat and cancer. and nathan bryant. as we checked out these scientists profiles we discovered a document which should certainly never have been on the web. internal report

issued by the american meat institute. it lays out the strategy for influencing the decisions of high profile organizations. this organization is the i r c international agency for research on cancer little. this institution based in the front is the worldwide reference on cancer. in two thousand and six. the scientists classified nitrites in the probably carcinogenic category of products group too. and that was bad for business. so lobbyists are fighting to have this classification changed. page sixty four of the document. change in the

r.c. nitrate nitrate classification from two to be. possibly carcinogenic. the strategy has been a. challenge. it notably involves the two scientists we were interested in andrew wilkow sweet and nice and bright. armed with our brand new file it was time to set off to meet the meat sectors heavyweights. welcome to nashville tennessee the capital of country music and notably the hometown of johnny cash. it's here at the american meat institute is holding its annual conference. in this huge building to be precise. the meat industry in the u.s. is very big business. all of the world's biggest players are here.

smithfield number one import with a turnover of fourteen billion dollars a year cargo the giant with thirty three billion dollars a year in crude alone. and tyson people all divisions record holder this year will mate with all of our divisions between b. or poultry and prepared between that thirty seven billion and forty billion dollars in revenue side says no to many very small companies. we checked it's over forty one billion dollars. after half an hour we spot a face in the crowd that rings a bell. that will in their tasting nibbles at every stand. that's right page ninety

two of the i.r.c. challenge document here with the short hair the american media institute senior vice president of public affairs janet riley. is just that she's thirty eight the lieutenant trying to get headlines on the new book i'm looking for those close to on to say ten ten certainly question about seduction . i found. it says this document it didn't do it i'm sorry. i wanted to supposed to. poke it and i didn't see it registered no no actually it was in fact just so but i have some important question did you keep your business yes of course i have mine step journalist caught just a question but i want you to know what do you know about the iata you know let me eat octet into your camera and still a know what i'm good at that it's about not touch and tenses think you know this is my study and i want to know who came so much for our interview not me why you

disagree with you why you are. having been escorted outside. this is my press conference ok i've been ordered to show id we try one last time it's close do. what tobacco industry did for t.k. that's sure that's your opinion what we're doing is providing science based here if he does this that our products are safe and it's the same rate here but are you paying do scientists know you've got a camera will we know you. look away for such cases we always have a plan b. on the list of i.r.c. challenge scientists there was one who agreed to see us the first on the list. andrew. we had to madison wisconsin.

the city in the north of the united states is home to andrew housekeeper and the company of hot dog king oscar meyer who we came across in the preston martin case america is. the scientist work for this company for thirty years. well you now teaches at the university. but he doesn't hide his proximity to the american meat body. presented with our i.r.c. challenge documents he acknowledges everything. almost. so did the meat industry paid you for this i received some compensation for my time as well as the others how much. i'm not going to say i don't know thousands tens of thousands of dollars. small amounts can we have an

idea. and defending nitrite seems to be a very big thing for industry looking for a substitute. has been attempted. and was an untold sally. something as chemically simple as nitrite. and as unique as nitrate having a substitute has not been possible to anyone's ability but if there is a small risk of getting cancer don't you think it's important to try to find a solution. now as we're going to review because they do not believe that that risk is is true and you think there is no risk at all. the risk is. if it is indeed. on hearing that we pulled this expression.

so. the colorectal cancer or the hundreds of studies on the dangers of nitrites none of it exists off you go nothing to do with it. in the united states it's thanks to scientists like neil county that the meat industry has been able to cut another notch in its belt. surprisingly in the health conscious state of california. and. this imposing building is home to the state cabinet level california environmental protection agency. we have an appointment with sam del said deputy director for external and legislative affairs. to show us a document that doesn't exist in any other american state well michelle or not and

. so me. so this is the lists. it's a list of substances judged dangerous to man by the state of california. to do business here manufacturers are banned from using these substances or their be. to warn consumers and it's very restrictive because there are over eight hundred products on the list so good example that would be to. tell you. there's other things like benzene that will be something you know we have come in things like exhaust and then here we have an inspiration and then as aspirin you know it's a special note especially for pregnant women oh here's kind of an odd one but you know things like brad bird you know if you want to eat this go for it but be aware that you maybe don't want to eat it every single day so you don't find nitrates i tried is not on the list. it's been here since nitrites has been targeted but

procedures have never been seen through when we believe the chemical needs a criteria for listing we close what's known as a notice of intent to list and that triggers a period in which people can submit public comments on whether it does or does not meet the criteria we review the comments before making a final decision to complete. the nitrites here are the comments that's one. of the seven contributions six come from food industry lobbyists. and with thirty one pages the winner is. andrew milk house. before the interview we show sam all our documents on the t. i c. challenge and the attempts at influence. based as an avalanche of proof gathered during months of investigation he ends up taking out his cell phone to take photos. however in answering our questions he seems less inspired.

we. it's their business if they think that they can. influence a decision be on the science but we want the science to the talking do you think it might happen that sometimes you are many created by the industry we. do our best. to make decisions based soley on the science regardless of whatever. pressure or expense and persuasion may be made by any outside group ok. go for new will read examine the dangers of nitrites but not before next year.

for the lobby it's a many victory time gained and profits not lost. in europe a new study on nitrite was expected in december two thousand and fifteen almost a year later it still has not been.

well i'll go. get me. is this and then. eventually it will be theo i shall go by the spirit of christ i'm just trying. to. say yeah he was on the school for the sunday times not for us helping to go much but i feel a lot of them behind the out. she just that our she did the militia and got

a little. bit of them all into it is the food out of this country so they this got to be but i mean. did. you. get to live it up was. he. here's what people have been saying about rejected in the us is it just pull on.

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