this is the talk about. president trump has announced a new ask down policy in any regard to pakistan he's actually saying that he will cut eight to islamabad if it starts if it doesn't start doing enough to fight the taliban in afghanistan in european is pakistan not doing enough to combat taliban actually that is no change in american policy. from the job usually to you know. showed you doubts north korea or maybe some other countries like iran. for just on. the policy. but. to use of russian. nomenclature nomenclature to go deep state runs the polish. obama used to speak softly

and is your present. threat to most hillary clinton and others. in this particular is that all seem to have a wish because trump is not in the habit of talking soft and so this shit you can go ahead she would to do whatever you like to read on the board essentially the policy to manage the city and there is you have to begin. steve you keep the bases keep them if you presence there is more important than either peace the settlement or whether. understand is not in that interest peace in the middle east has not invaded. unless that is turmoil and. united states. cannot play one country against the other it was a school which. this. you know be good if you.

if the military's and more loved if you continue to buy weapons i understand what you're saying that actually american policy doesn't change just the rest of the changes yeah that the decor of the presidential face but it's still a little different from every other president he's unpredictable he's on a politician so you never know he mate might as well do what he's saying so if he does sanction pakistan just imagine hypothetically right would that make i mean you would loss he would lose money if that happens. you. should really. not to do that invading i'm talking about sanctioning what are you feeling right now so absolutely already there is hardly anything that we get from that really is pakistan right let's leave trump aside is pakistan ready right now to sweets towards china because i've seen pakistani foreign minister make visits to china

make was it's to russia right after john announced his new afghan policy what do you think china is ready to be pakistan's new patch on well if you're looking for. is would be are for. looking for bush. or for in sort of corporate do. relationship economic development in the region. joining us to ensure that the. presence of understudies rick if you're looking for dependence on america i mean they're pretty little business again one of those myths that have been created these billions of dollars never came. so you know the billions of dollars that americans are supposedly giving pakistan and no this is not the billions some hundreds of millions have trickled down because their action their system most of the when you go back to them you know if i understand

the development on stage ninety percent of it would go back that was confronted by the developed bush. in the development to the germans and so forth and then the americans said yes your design our system so it's inevitable that money and you and if there is money i think we're all waiting for the americans who literally stop there so that some people in pakistan who have been accustomed to this. opium will get out of that initially probably some problem with bin learn to stand on your feet and indeed use it this time mushroom enrichment is coming from other sources especially so what is pakistan ready to do in return because you know friendship is good partnership is good but you know when people are investing money in a country they invest something they expect something back what is pakistan willing

to do in return for the state the discussion in pakistan right now is hopefully view not giving away too much because well give this sort of you know pressure to work on prelate. containers in your street because school to go out the establish your nose start running the. opening they're doing to have joining in in due course. i think this is true but enough. of that since but it's one big investment and. they want to do it in the very many different places something. that is openings after all it is the overcapacity of certain things in china you know that it gushed loney and all the while that it should have crushed. mileage

or your distance to help. change oil from the. you already get plenty of oil from central asia but oil from the middle east remains. so there is something before when food gets into. the. mix is. much but i want to talk about taliban because. whoever american president is it doesn't matter stumbling point with america and pakistan is taliban because pentagon always say. the taliban leadership is finding sanctuary in pakistan and i mean observing from the side. i believe them because we have taliban leaders like more than one store with omar would died in pakistan then you had the successor was

left in pakistan bin ladden died in pakistan i mean they're not dying in afghanistan right there obviously finding shelter in pakistan so why do you think why does it it's so hard to kick them out from pakistan why should we. they're not against us and there is one element. to. one in short that the americans would leave because the other have been on telly one of haunts the kabul regime the addicting as the. let's say the quislings or for that strange as the subservient regime that is what it is because the afghan taliban no coverage of the copied depends on unites spectrum age for money for military protection and for the political you don't cover series ed americans are financing the campbell taliban america. giving ten billion dollars

a year billion dollars every year if food the regime because income will this is a seal that relate this spending some money on their own forces but billion dollars is still. there does the investment and without that cover regime cannot sustain the infrastructure that has been created you're such an expensive infrastructure. of unassigned is never had you will afford that they before not of me rich oscar four billion dollars or fifty years their own g.d.p. the a fund in business newbies only two billion dollars so that is the money that is this spending there does the protection they are providing with boat this umbrella of the united states especially the military presence the it would be would regime has rino it. because they would be do taken care of way thought upon by the resistance

this is also the history of honest i do we need tribesmen who resist the other ones who prevail they have the freedom of going to become moved on an empty space is the regimes in kabul especially a claim for e.g. there does not enjoy that support. remains can find it. weird for the bee when the relays go on so that they can i do to be disposed to offload leaf now they're just if there be a decision it is of unsaved in a finest sons are supported by the word might use alliance. cannot sustain itself. on the other hand is the a fund resistance we just called it that it was a fund of the system that has stored the onslaught of the spot for evidence for the last fifteen sixteen years these are the people of the a font early one of the one who had existing. p.g.p. is the one basically mainly no sponsored from in spirit is supported from as here

in this way enough on a sunday the i mean i'm going to try to do that they're at you or at your land they're living in the forest that was there it was there to some take that one bit of show many different ways of provoking them to go after us money's one. of the. ston slips it i draw your conclusions maybe another one there's not. enough their trip is. indigenous enough and of course the word audible meant it's the client before a phone. but d.p.p. then. the oaf on taliban. the you may have acquired the name but you're just the same again but the way you speak about it is that he is not that huge effect of you can take your oath. because of the way you speak and others from very

very sympathetic towards them in international terms they're called terrorists just like the taliban what can you explain tell us something that we don't know about them why is pakistan not doing enough to fight them and completely get rid of the. new terminology or that for example the negative is determined by your chief there because if you know point because of quoted the soft part because you sort by the back they are so what they are dead or is it anyone and you go there resist the american design is it ever missed you may be a terrorist really be. a model that has been happening which i have been and be thought of by and now the news on that one. but this stir milegi is not going to impress either that is just. the example you consider them as terrorists with. boom free will how they came into being worked was the reserve of certain

amount of connections in the region that have given to. those and that ice just by calling someone a terrorist there's not going to be enough power of people lake us to connect build an equal there the international community which in any case you know the subservient to the bedrock of international community of subservient to. so. much so if. you can. get liberation struggle is a terrorism struggle everyone you know jump. on it but this group to this. country if you go strictly by the. issue of terrorism i think. begin to. take a short break right now we're back we'll continue talking to do i mean four were

head of the pakistani intelligence services talking about pakistani and american outlook on taliban today and much more stay with us.

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i read. my time as well as you know others why is that me to be. doing if you want to learn more you'll get a. lot of. big business against. all. bad. i mean for had a pakistani intelligence service says mr durani but the problem is that when americans call someone a terrorist and they go after them it has consequences for instance american drone

strikes you're on your soil on pakistani soil that's making people very angry but you can't do anything about it because americans saying well we're fighting terrorists in pakistan and pakistani government isn't doing enough to keep those terrorists out so what do do you. with that you know this what we have been doing for the last for many years they have been targeting some people who they did not like or just to give a message to us by saying don't be a terrorist there was a stage when we decided enough is enough you've done enough of this killing so reseize the plane of communication for seven months and then brought them back. to. their what we do if. you can without calling someone to speak and you know continue to draw in certain areas that just bullshit will you feel find some

response and we will use it if you don't. have to fluff it dope like the taliban have done it but in the meantime actually would we have done is more substantially other than what i would have thought about it. in the region starting with iran russia china you know this is the consensus of the regional consider vigilantes that as a measuring north and in the sense of an alliance but at least the have started. it should be handling the foreign presence in afghanistan in a coordinated manner. let me ask you something pakistan for decades friendly government in kabul should the taliban the afghan taliban win the war just imagine that will that be better for islam that islamabad then having president connie there i do just to do for a leap over was also. not that

a film to be used by. we should note new would have said that we are looking for a friendly. to be a zero g. maybe friendly to moderate unfriendly. in the neighbors the relationship is what by their son is especially people who have hundreds of honest on what they have been. advising the a gold mine that i regard to me it is not cheap but the consensus going in kabul broadly is that. back in my time after the show that we're told a broad based government all important fiction on board and that is to go and if you want because a bunch there do the accepted by the ones there for me to stay with if we've had threats of honest an interest see what i call efficient government taliban official in the burbs for grecian of that is how the country was created in seven in for.

a grand bargain between different ones if there is this of on the side if that speech of honest on this knowledge remained in that form so that is the it doesn't really matter but one alone will often be able to control it in the best days. and i just meant is that when we have revealed have a consensus government that would be the one that by your son and all the other e.u. countries would say no. we have not is stored the status quo ante of nine hundred seventy nine you should know this does pakistani intelligence have enough leverage and different taliban groups in afghanistan to actually help push stocks should they ever take both course she is we have pushed them very often but whenever you push them who so does it. to us i would tell you by the cover regime.

not by us. yeah you say that i live and work keeping the news a whole almost bit under there for two years because they're closed the unifying figure of their view of the bunch the peace process starts been revealed. once so if there was food after that scuttling of the body to process there it was. end of july fifteen. he thought it was the one who was the peacemaker. and all that. to go her own to muddy. because it will move us a bit when he addressed the issue thirty was eliminated by the american drone so the oil is not there by sun in any case because. your side think i would assume that is afraid of losing your skull i would because it does not have the. auditors about states that does not want that because. if. if nothing else have brought the

. regime to sort of way right now there's another turn in the whole story because trump is calling on india to involve itself more in afghanistan this is of course making pakistani politicians very angry their people much marching in the streets very displeased with that how will this affect islam by its role in afghanistan and in diplomacy. people see a few things for the home of fear just to express the display you. because of the united states will not get the credit of india has it or a pretty substantial money it does or does st it has a cultural integration society. in order to send in the military troops. just years ability to get to agree to the rule is so limited they could go north even empire would have been which. you know established in that country

always good to help the you know anything more than the already and that is the space that has been a lot with. your why you were to give any advice and i suppose. more often than not except for making that you know diplomatic noise. that you can do you can plead on who are we going to put. through though the one who will give them the space and if they can only invest money this fine and if they're big enough to understand it would be one of the happier countries because then after that they would find evidence of the military's enough but for me. just as someone who is observing what's going on in the region i understand all the intricacies between pakistan and india at what i never really understood maybe you can tell me is why pakistan so worried with indian involvement in

afghanistan for instance i remember former president musharraf saying that pakistan is used taliban as an india proxy group in afghanistan he said it i'm not making this out but right yes so i never really understood what pakistan's policy in afghanistan is all about its robbery with india why is pakistan so afraid of afghan friendship. and most of the north. because i did because your tapes them politically was. the year ahead you can still be very good working order. because a explain the indians can go ahead and do whatever the lows of on the lows to. there to be up to us and we have better carson of. the indians. now who will

use. to us it's up to us to take it over there and it is a sit we being the day was with the history and so on we should we were to take it over when people say that it's only because of these reasons but what we share if say they have a right i'm sitting here so i'm giving my view and i to north warn paper of north korea actually read some of the by you sign these not only the politicians but some others also exit read the indian influence and of honest on they do the country is full of functioning which is hardly anything for me to be that they'd lose that all of this is either the guy knew your goods but that is the influence that we have. india as a certain culture and for us bollywood is important play hollywood used to be once upon a time for us but. that that and not having colin borders or the finest did have

one of those we have come on board to the knoll about the spittle with it and be get ready to book other things and they could also blamed when the tribe spent it resist a foreign force will watch because of that because he becomes the scapegoat for at this time the scapegoat despite exhaustion. ask a last question about russia pakistan they have recently held their regular joint military. training in mountain warfare house islam about working with moscow to counter terror threat i don't think it is a book better reason because there's a you know a big scam there. in concrete terms. your son's relation to russia started improving many years ago. for a number of reasons. a matter of cultural play pro be a part of that in a piece from found out that we had a problem with them fresh as a problem with that in full that is one after ukrainians probably become an even

more. you know substantial. but essentially view cooperate with each other find of course remember the order of steel mill and. the russian technology. that. for the last few years i think people have wanted to update that don but the stunt by play i'm not sure if anyone other than the guest. would be an orc poll about that so the use of those areas of cooperation but essentially. coming together means that you have to join and to find a solution for this sort of regional problem and that is i've said that before. foreign military presence here in the heart of asia of honest influence in central asia the type of implication for you don and that is really hope that this

is a symbolic one through or that of getting noted exercise together does not mean that you would make a joint force like nafta when the i consider them only distort there's a symbolic just shit how the countries are coming together we continue to do that we didn't and if there's going to be any wanted by just an opposite i would say that for this thing to do you have your relations with india you have your delusion but you are talking about a new relationship between these countries or five countries in the region which is issue specific rich is not a journalist you know a viper for elation ship that you think you should share. that has or simply cations in economic cooperation and political cooperation in as she will. even though the school minorca done really much. right mr draghi thank you very much for this interview i will be organizers of luck with everything hopefully they will

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