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t. in the instance you. mean and being an actor in the me. i. was. thinking thinking. ok well let's get the latest from barcelona where we're joined now by charlotte bin ski who is there charlotte to there's been a bit of time hasn't there for this news to sink in in the reaction in barcelona. well i've been a pro independence protest and crowd all day and quite literally they are absolutely e.u. for a cup out this historical decision this vote by the catalan parliament to dick land
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independent republic of catalonia this is something some of the people have said to me that it's not just them that been waiting for it is that parents their grandparents and make great grandparents many catalan families have had to struggle for independence now for almost a hundred is to be able to cease to be part of spain so many people said they had tears in their eyes when they heard the results of that vote many people said their heart sprung it a step it has been a historic day and for many people particularly those that i speak to in this probably independence crowd it is a moment they have been waiting for for many years but let's not forget this does not represent all of the views in catalonia many people would like to remain part of spain and i'm sure that those people all very unhappy with this results today. sure ok thanks charlotte there was a t. shirt in ski for us in boss alive now. well let's get the thoughts now of chris
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bambery he's a political analyst and joins us i think we can go to him now yes there he is chris good evening t. . goodness a lot to talk about what's your reaction to this it looks like the both sides continue to be at loggerheads on both sides of the n.t. you mean what's going to be the conclusion do you think. of course conclusion will be a bad thing catalonia will end up independent because essentially people in catalonia growing numbers of catalans in response to the actions of the spanish state of swung in behind independence that i think is the important thing to realize yesterday the current time president carter was proven wrong trying to make a compromise with madrid by saying they would not declare independence and go for local regional elections in catalonia that create huge anger inside cattle you know and the pressure of the mass movement and the pressure from his coalition partners who are. the center left force them to drop out but the obvious thing was that it
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was clear that spies prime minister manuel are a whole it was not going to play ball was not going to make any concessions and was continue to say it was going to scrap scuttle catalonia statute of autonomy which gives it control. so we have here two sides both under pressure manuel roy has created in spain a. nationalist movement which is not below him to back off and this is a popular movement you've been seeing on the streets of barcelona and throat. which has been pushing for independence and is going to keep pushing those people are not going to go back to go back in the bottle in my belief really they have left spain and it's difficult to see what spain can do to force them back in occupied with military force or whatever will not likely ruin the twenty four centuries so it's very difficult although i think this is going to play out for some months i don't
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see at the end really if people have to say it's a we how you can force them to come back. that's the point isn't it and the whole is said today that law and order will be restored in catalonia it's not obvious what he means by that or sort of how heavy handed he might be but even if he isn't it's very difficult isn't it to control an area if your country of so many people are desperate to break away and say that they'll just be disobedient. absolutely and what we saw in the first of october if you recall. he sent in his riot police to try and stop the independence referendum it created a backlash in catalonia with many people who had supporters of independence still then deciding that actually that was the only option if the spanish state will behave like that towards its own citizens so it's very difficult to do to send you know a riot police and every school every civil service office every fire station every customs balls to take control of the borders this mass movement on the streets of catalunya as well is not going to allow this to happen just as we saw in the first
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of october when they allow the intervention of a popular movement the referendum to go ahead then not hello the spanish to try the minister catalunya they'll do everything they can to sabotage it and what he does no you know threats to jail the press president of catalunya for thirty years on the sedition charge you know all of this is going to backfire against them and it's going to create a row in europe because many catalans are asking where is the european union where are the voices of any criticism of war or how is doing in brussels you know for the last three weeks we've heard nothing except european union government after government supporting roy and saying this is a legal referendum they can't we've spain so there's growing skepticism i would argue as well in catalunya over the role of the european union here is there a danger. chris this could turn into a violent struggle. well i think we have seen violence which you are very quick but it came from the spanish state and its attempts to stop the referendum in the first
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of october i don't think i think so far the catalans have played a brilliant game by insisting that it has to be peaceful and i think that some messages go home when you've got to remember in the whole history of catalan nationals and since the death of general franco in the end they shoot back in one thousand nine hundred five they have avoided violence unlike the basque country and that's been their strength and i think they're going to continue to ensure that while there are hundreds of thousands millions of people on the screens this will be a peaceful movement if you like that's one of the selling points and also an issue here is the economy when we've talked about ideology and politics but. companies effectively voted themselves didn't they after the announcement of this referendum and left catalonia i mean economically as a region it could easily be damaged by what's happened then it could be difficult for catalonia to operate is an independent sort of region. it could be able to know
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where you are a member of the would be is a relative economic success story barcelona is home to some of the how most successful high tech industries in europe what you've got to ask yourself is well spain of course doesn't want to lose because it puts far more into the spanish government's coffers than it gets back but does europe really want to destroy one of the success stories of the european economies doesn't want to damage barcelona and white and cattle when you're worried or is it in a way that happen will the multinational car capital countries car makers and so on a base they'll be happy to see what's going on so again i think this is high stakes again the pressure must be on europe here to intervene at some stage because really if this spins out of control it is going to say a lot about the inability of the european union to deal with is probably the biggest crisis which is developing in western europe since one nine hundred forty five europe is in a bind though isn't it i mean what does it say exactly does it tell rouhani to back
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off and then that sort of gives fuel to other secessionist movements i mean how does it deal with this. well it isn't a buy and it's in a bind because of course they will come across elsewhere in europe particularly eastern europe i should say and the national question is one they are very scared of what other independent movements are rising on the inspiration of cats catalunya and of course you have leaders like emanuel mccraw of friends who is a centrist in the french state is highly centralized doesn't want any of these centrifugal forces the developing so yes it is caught in the same time there are voices the prime minister of brussels the slovaks and so on who are criticizing spain and i think that's likely to open up one strength or a whole has got i have to say as he has got the support of the spanish socialist party and as a consequence of that of the socialist grouping in the european parliament but that's up for a front the catalans we're looking at in order to try and crack and insisting to people in the sense and the european center left how can you support
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a government sending in its riot police like it's done how can you support the government acting in a way that brings back memories of what happened against frankel when the last internationally sided against franco and fascism and i think we can easily see that the european socialist could come under pressure to break ranks of the social co-exist spain we are going to hey chris later the saving apparently what the spanish government intends to do in terms of the measures it hopes to enforce what would you expect there would you expect sort of softly softly first and perhaps the the threat of perhaps. police going in at a later date i mean what are your thoughts i think the first thing they would do is take control of the finances i think it's like with well they will dismiss all the cattle and delegations in effect or embassies in europe and beyond by cutting off the finances to them that's number one they've already made threats to sack civil servants would be supposedly true independence but it is then and also they want to
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take control of the cattle cattle and really. police but then does become problematic do they deliver on the threat that has made to jail was put in the president of cats and want to go on a challenge that ruby human rights story across europe limits edition is a charge here in united kingdom that was dropped in the last century because it's essentially a catch all of which to jail your opponents when you have got any evidence against them you know so if you send an elected head of state you scrap an elected government and send it acted head of state to prison this is going to cause a row about human rights violations inside the european union inside spain so i think the spanish state have reacted in a heavy manner and i have to say as well they have created a groundswell of support for independence inside cats of one year and i think it's in the blood really that's the way they're going to react there are a very it's a right wing government it's not
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a frank was government but these are the grandchildren of frank was people and i think that's how that's how they react to put it bluntly ok and we'll just have to wait and see won't we chris we'll leave it there for now i really get to told you that was chris bambery political analyst thank you. now push for independence catalonia has repeatedly faced pharaoh face opposition from madrid as who is saying there is a recap. of the. was. response. to those in charge in the council on government who are the protagonist in this challenge to our coexistence i ask them to cease illegal activities they
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should abandon their objectives. we. need we are now applying article one five five because no government at all in a democratic country can accept that the law will be ignored violated or changed and this has all happened under false criteria and they impose their criteria on everybody else. well just like castle and society the regions police force is also deeply divided on the issue of independence.
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they disobeyed orders from madrid and refused to use force on the day of the independence referendum the conduct was seen by some as praiseworthy but by others as treacherous. please please. the end. please please. play. well the catalan police to say that they will serve the whole community despite the apparent divisions within their ranks. at the moment council and society is deeply divided and that's
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a fact that would be hypocritical to deny the same division can be seen inside the police but first of all we want to say that we remain calm of course we will continue to do our everyday work no matter what happens and we want the cost one place to stay as the police for all catalans. just minutes after the cattle and parliament voted today the spanish senate took an unprecedented step today when approved an article to launch direct rule over catalonia war this now we're joined by in a prank case back in the studio so them just talk us through the reaction of madrid ok so the cattle in parliament said yes to the independence in catalonia and immediately after we heard that there was a vote in the senate the central government of spain in madrid and they decided to enact article one five five known as nuclear option and that is what prime minister has wanted for quite some time and he's warned about it previously. but he much
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else did it because we're asking you senators to dismiss the president vice president and members of the council and government likewise the regional parliament must be part from electing new members to. the. so the spanish prime minister mr recoil has called on the citizens to remain calm he has promised to restore the rule of law and obviously that was something that made him call the actions by the government the parliament of catalonia story a criminal act so right now there are several options that the spanish government can take in this case the cabinet will shortly meets in a few hours the central government the central cabinet i'm talking about of course in madrid and they will be deciding what to do the obvious option for them right
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now is to strip the catalan leadership including the president charles push them on of his powers but what they will do next is the big question they can take charge of police in catalonia they can suspend their cabinets and deprive their ministers of powers although it is likely that the parliament will be able to continue and continue to operate spreads that will happen under the control of madrid we remember that madrid can take up serious action that was of course during the actual cattle on independence vote when we saw massive police brutality against the people who wanted to come to that ballot box and say yes catalan independence so we'll find out from the central government from the cabinet in madrid what they're going to do it could be a difficult process difficult decision making process but hopefully we'll get
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updates from there fast you know i certainly hope so that as you say it could happen within the next few hours to say the same thing i k thanks it was a good day. well we can go to barcelona now and get more reaction there we can speak with our hector lopez both he's a law professor in the city good evening to you goodness what a day when if you will react to the claim for independence well the first thing we might save from the legal point of view. now i merely got he has sworn i was always happens when there is other gratian of independent there is a new legal system sought the spanish government cannot claim. that the curation of independence room breaks the spanish illegality because now they don't yet he's under the rule of law of the god allah. is or no argument against that they're a legal one. you know this this was against the constitution of spain so
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effectively catalonia has broken the law and it will have to face consequences yeah but. legally according. to the spanish constitution does not mean. the movement. has the support it has borne through the support of the over all my surety of the cadillac house. but it won't mean majority of the guy that wanted this and she expressed both in the election and on the seventh of september two thousand and fifteen in the referendum for in durban there's the first of october of this year so. of the catalan movement underpinned and now is a question is a matter of effective yes. we will see if. the long legal
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system is the effective one or the spanish one. i guess that if if. spanish government is trying to size cut along government through the occasion of the article one hundred fifty five. they will have a great deal of problems since they will have to confront the constitution on the spanish constitution i gained more than two million people against almost two hundred thousand cattle and she'll be a sad ones which we do not know exactly know to whom are they going to obey. and with the issue of arresting people for sedition i mean that's within the powers of madrid isn't it. yeah well we will see if if. my dream house.
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the main feature in order to say. that they are suffering. to cointreau territory and the population in catalonia and. unevidenced for dad will be if they are able to are rest for sedition they got on president and that got the law and government is likely that. runs and. maybe captaincy dissent are going to defend the guy down and see to shit on the things that. astonish government measures are going to be effective or not there is another brand at one point very trust and until point. when i knew est is for east it depends on the recognition by other states and we will see in the following hours if there is some
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international recognition because if there is some there are international recognition that could be being that would be dead the. catalogue of other men they can get on a republic story is going to be trickle now based on the schooling to be recognised as an international subject that also means that on the flip side heck to if that doesn't happen does that mean that it knows the independence of catalonia. well it. it's not necessary to be happened in the full we now wars. where. every time when a new country has been worn. first international recognition men's half taking days or even or even months but if very. nice. reese some recognition. there east. we
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will see which is going to be the reaction of the spanish government but for instance in europe european union institutions. already warn. president arroyo that he must use the force of the young woman instead. of the young woman or force. maybe if there is some brutal reaction from the spanish government that we looked at all some international recognition. ok had to look you coming on and giving us the legal aspect to all of this that was there had to lopez both the law professor in spain for us thank you thank you very much welcome. back referendum on independence on october the first was marked by violence from spanish police who were ordered to prevent the vote from taking place.
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i was i. i was thousand i was you know i was thinking i wonder i mean this is not the first people this was the day i heard i was taken from here by ambulance so i think from their early hours of the morning i did this instantaneously because i was i was i thousand i. so let's have a quick recap then of the story the spanish senate has approved the implementation
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of article one five five it has never been used before i mean for moving cattle on autonomy spain's prime minister said that the rule of law in catalonia will be restored that decision came just minutes after the cattle and parliament voted in favor of declaring independence from spain a total of seventeen zero micah's voted in favor of cattle an independent ten votes against another or two who abstained well on october the first ninety percent of catholics that turned out for an independent referendum voted to leave space today those people didn't hesitate to show that joy was ninety six usually. such an amazing thing if anything it was a thousand. thousand of these are
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live pictures from barcelona right now you can see the huge amount of support. that intense fight has actually got among the people to say we'll be back with that live reaction in a couple. but i'll go. to may know is this something i'm not to run intentional it would be theo i know there's no subtlety. but. yeah he was on the stool for the sunday times not
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