the one of the consequences is to weaken labor slowly dismantle the i will first aid one hundred this is the truth the consider is that the consequences are actually quite acceptable to the decision maker. stance and glance only learned of this case through the documents we showed him. the approaches that they used to attack the person doing the research on linking cured meats with cancer were the standard things they do one is to go through her work with a fine tooth comb and find every little thing they could possibly complain about and because the issues tend to be fairly technical you know if you're a politician or if you're a reporter or english or a highly specialized reporter all you hear is well this person said there was something bad and this other person said that they didn't know what they were

talking about and settled these efforts to go after the scientists and to discredit the scientists is a key element of a much larger strategy to just gum up the entire policymaking process to the point where nothing happens that translates into hundreds of billions of dollars of sales and profits for them so the whole game is just slow down. in the documents on dr preston martin other even more machiavellian scenarios were studied. here it was suggested that talks be held with the scientist. here a proposed seminar in order to lure her. the aim to influence her and even shape the conclusions of her future studies. the common point of these documents they all come from the same lobbying firm

multinational business services. already hired by philip morris to contest the effects of passive smoking on health and headed by a certain jim toth see a master of influence. amazingly in washington the heart of american power this law. it is still well established. as he never answered our requests for an interview we went to see him without an appointment with our documents and. pay. for him to the us he works here i've been french journalist i'm looking for me and i'm looking on the number. of the new point

wouldn't know who i was just looking for him because i called from france but a few. months these are. the good news american lobbyists can be welcoming. we even managed to have jim talk to you on his cell phone there. are a couple of refrain here please. jim can you hear me. i want to ask you some questions susan system not to. work. because you have the set up a strategy to discredit to work for us con man you are so i wanted to know more about this. well. i don't know if you're just talking about. going to work

every day and i know if you do your work in congress i'm going to have you believe i can say no i'm going to have to as i can for looks and i understand you if you like the welcoming lobbyist you love the angry one asking you to with no point enough to sleep now join each night leave you can do your yes please please i'm ordering you out but i can't just leave now the president's out. of here ok do you understand. at you know. you're not so bad they. had to end like that. in the end mr trott's he did a great job well at least for the industrialist. back then and he pressed on martin arguments were brought into the media spotlight. by this health journalist on a major national t.v. channel a few days after the publication of the famous study. let's get back to our hot dog

study remember they asked the people did you eat a hot dog they didn't ask them did you put it in a bun did you put ketchup on it did you put mustard on it now you might be saying who really cares one way or the other but that's important because it may be that it's not the hot dog at all that's causing this increased risk of cancer maybe it's the bun maybe it's the ketchup maybe it's the mustard so you have to be careful when you read these studies not to say oh this causes this. the powers that be didn't go any farther than nine hundred seventy s. . which could have resurfaced remains locked away. you're probably wondering what susan president thinks the woman targeted by the lobby. we showed her the documents and what upset her the most was seeing that fellow scientists had played along with the industrialists. professors will get paid

a huge amount to do a review by in this case probably the american media i mean thousands and thousands of dollars they probably get more from doing this kind of thing than they do from their regular jobs. seeing your name like this in all. my goodness a i gave a lot of people a lot of work. were you aware of this well i was aware that that the processed meat community was concerned. but not aware of all the extent of this. twenty years on and she had turned the page. not of interest. that's how the public awareness of science goes it's of interest in that it's not of interest seen in all that work today but it doesn't it doesn't matter i mean it's still in the literature and. it may influence people in

future and it has influence people in the past and that's fine. but another scientist involved in the case has enjoyed a much more flourishing career. a scientist paid by the american meat institute to shoot down susan preston martin's work. david clear found. today david kerrville is head of the u.s. government's nutrition program and he's invited all over the world for a scientific conferences where he gives his experts point of view. totally independent. this week to. introduce reasons why the meat is important to the healthy diet it's been just. on that day he was in france speaking to scientists from around the world about meat and the link between processed meat

and cancer in order to denounce backed up by a power point the climate of fear panic and even hysteria. then we know because we were there. it was right at the start of our investigation when we barely knew about nitrites and had the need of enlightened specialists to help us. and. so there are new reviews published this year that's the nitrite is not harmful and others that say it is harmful. i don't think anybody really knows. definitively what the answer is. a few months after this handshake you can learn more about the industry and doubt bells started ringing. so we took advantage of our trip to america to ask him for another interview. only this time and

a lot more cards up our sleeve. do you remember american meat institute no never no i was interested in the scientists was interesting martin yes do you know her i know who she is i do not know her personally i do remember reading a paper on her yes for the american meat institute found this and it was prepared for the american newton says fruit. ok. this is something different yes. this was done twenty years ago roughly so. i had forgotten about that do you remember how much you were paid for this evaluation though i do not as i said it was twenty or twenty five years ago you didn't know when you were working for the american it is true that philip morris was opening there.

i'm not going to say yes or no at this point in time because it's more than twenty years ago did you know that the tobacco strategy moto was docked our product no i never heard that though no doubt twas your productive. that was not mine and that was not my intent my intent was to do an evaluation. if i had read these paper. and found that there were not shortcomings in the papers that they would not deficiencies in the papers i don't think i would have criticized them but don't you think that your point of view would be stronger than your argument stronger if i hadn't found that to have been won by the american meat institute. no i don't i don't think that. would change it wouldn't change my point of view it might change your point of view that you tend

to not believe what i'm saying because twenty five years ago i got some amount of money that i don't remember. for making progress he can't remember how much but he does remember getting paid. but you have to understand that the industry is a money making business so they're very risk averse they would not fund a study that. someone proposed to them that eating hot dogs increases the risk of childhood cancer why would they fund that you know they would only fund something that says. proposes childhood cancer is prevented by eating more hotdogs or there's no relationship you know there and they're not going to fund a study that. is bad for their business. well at least he's honest much of the meat industry's lobbying depends on collaboration with paid scientists

and that's still how things work. during a conference on frost meat and cancer. of french scientists confirmed that. there is a reference on the subject internationally renowned expert. he speaks and acts casually and doesn't block it telling us how things work at scientific events. it is just because you're going to supersede mr teach me. it's a. good point. to be it's a deep. comes to me. all the. it was if you soon does it. because if you all just get into a more fit to. do what you should she can do to me to.

talk to me you don't see fifty fifty specialists to see this it's not going to be well you because i'm sure. she didn't put on the what you. what is driving day to day is basically a do. that to them a cough to scream this is watch for you to put that. you and i always say m d a z. n d. is this becoming a fundamental challenge. no exclusion and they feel. they come to get enough to get you if you want your world.

how does it feel to be a share of the greatest job in the world it's as close to being a king as any job there is what business model helps to run a prison now we just do or don't like video visitation i don't know what comes in and we don't have the sars or maybe more it's cost effective that's what they want to do that at the moment they don't give a damn if you do not actually pay enough to put it back into. the louisiana incarceration rate is twice as high as the u.s.n. breach what secrets is behind such success. a few days later professor corp a sent us some e-mails and photos of scientists he suspects of being close to the food industry.

to americans who came across at a conference on meat and cancer. and nathan bryant. as we checked out the scientist profiles we discovered a document which should certainly never have been on the web. internal report issued by the american meat institute. it lays out the strategy for influencing the decisions of high profile organizations. this organization is the i r c you for national agency for research on cancer little. this institution based on the old front is the world wide reference on cancer. in two thousand and six.

the scientists classified nitrites in the probably carcinogenic category of products group to. and that was bad for business. so lobbyists are fighting to have this classification changed. page sixty four of the document. change in the i.r.c. nitrate nitrate classification from two to be. possibly carcinogenic. the strategy has a name i see challenge. it notably involves the two scientists we were interested in andrew wilkow ski and nathan bryant. armed with our brand new file it was time to set off to meet the meat sectors

heavyweights. welcome to nashville tennessee the capital of country music and notably the hometown of johnny cash. it's here that the american meat institute is holding its annual conference. in this huge building to be precise. the meat industry in the u.s. is very very big business. all of the world's biggest players are here. smithfield number one import with a turnover of fourteen. in dollars a year cargo the giant with thirty three billion dollars a year in food alone. enticing he all divisions record holder this year will mate with all of our divisions between b. or poultry and prepared between the thirty seven billion and forty billion dollars

in revenue so it's a snowball many very small companies put it. we checked it's over forty one billion dollars. after half an hour we spot a face in the crowd that rings a bell. that will and they're testing nibbles at every stand. that's right page ninety two of the i.r.c. challenge document with the short hair the american media institute senior vice president of public affairs janet riley. it's just that she's sorry the lieutenant tried that yet again headlines on the new book i'm looking for close to on to system tend to answer any question about seduction type found. it's is this document it didn't do it i'm sorry. i wanted to supposed to. poke it and i didn't see it registered and no no actually it was in fact just so

but i have some important question that you keep your business yes of course i have mine step journalist caught just a question but i want you to know what do you know about the eos challenge you know let me octet into your camera and silly know what i'm good at that it's about not touch and tenses think you know this is my study and i wanted to know who came so much for our interview not me why you disagree with you why you are. having been escorted outside. this is my press conference ok and been ordered to show id we try one last time. it's close do it looks like what tobacco industry did or t.k. that's your opinion that's your opinion what we're doing is providing science based here if you doubt this that our products are safe and it's fine to say right here but are you paying those scientists know you've got a camera rolling don't you. look away for such cases we always have

a plan b. on the list of i.r.c. challenge scientists there was one who agreed to see us the first on the list. andrew wilkow scheme. we had to madison wisconsin. this city in the north of the united states is home to andrew milk housekeeper and the company of hot dog king oscar meyer who we came across in the preston martin case. the scientist worked for this company for thirty years. he now teaches at the university. but he doesn't hide his proximity to the american meat lobby. presented with our

i.a.r. see challenge documents he acknowledges everything. almost. so did the meat industry paid you for this i received some compensation for my time as well as the others how much i am likely to say i'm one of thousands tens of thousands of small. small amounts. can we have an idea. descending nitrite seems to be a very big thing for industry. looking for a substitute. has been attempted. and was it a tall failure. something as chemically simple as nitrite. and as unique as nitrate having a substitute has not been possible to anyone's ability but if there is more risk of

getting cancer don't you think it's important to try to find a solution. now as where we disagree readers i do not believe that that risk is is true if there is no risk at all. i think the risk is. if it is indeed. on hearing that we pulled this expression. so for andrew wilkow ski the colorectal cancer or the hundreds of studies on the dangers of nitrites none of it exists off you go nothing to do with it. in the united states it's thanks to scientists like neil county that the meat industry has been able to cut another notch in its belt. surprisingly in the health conscious state of california. and. this imposing building is home to the state

cabinet level california environmental protection agency. we have an appointment with sam del said deputy director for external and legislative affairs. to show us a document that doesn't exist in any other american state with a shell or not and. so me. so this is the lists. it's a list of substances judged dangerous to man by the state of california. to do business here manufacturers are banned from using these substances or they are obliged to warn consumers and it's very restrictive because there are over eight hundred products on the list so good example that would be in the tobacco smoke entirely and there's other things like as benzene that would be something you know

we have come in things like exhaust and then here we have ants been in the news as aspirin you know it's a special note especially for pregnant women oh here's kind of an odd one but you know the breath in for. you know if you want to eat this go for it but be aware that you maybe don't want to eat everything so you don't find nitrates i tried is not on the list. it's been here since nitrites has been targeted but procedures have never been seen through when we believe the chemical meets the criteria for listing we post what's known as a notice of intent to list and that triggers a period in which people can submit public comments on whether it does or does not meet the criteria we review the comments before making a final decision to complete. the nitrites here are the comments that swung the scale of the seven contributions six come from food industry lobbyist. and with thirty one pages the winner is. andrew.

before the interview we show. our documents on the. challenge and the attempts at influence. based as an avalanche of proof gathered during months of investigation he ends up taking out his cell phone to take photos. however in answering our questions he seems less inspired. we. it's their business if they think that they can. influence a decision beyond the science but we let the science to the talking do you think it might happen that some times you are many predicted by the industry we. do our best. to make decisions based soley on the science

regardless of whatever. pressure or words and say persuasion may be made by a any outside group. ok. california will read zammit the dangers of nitrites but not before next year. for the lobby it's a mini victory time gained and profits not lost. in europe a new study on nitrite was expected in december two thousand and fifteen almost a year later it still has not been.

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