you for many this is a this is a passion for fashion for humanity try to improve. the way in which we live together and for me this is my goal is my priority and i having the owner in there is for somebody to do the most important most relevant or going to your money toward it's really an honor well mr malcolm because it's a volunteering effort how do you keep your faith in what you're doing a live seeing the misery day violence the suffering proliferated to an extent they have been. so yeah. this is it's like a mission i am not the only one seventeen million people that i've decided to dedicate their life tool to set of humanity their legacy over to your our legacy of course. to sacrifice part of our work time and i mean really the first.

prize and these are our families our friends but this is why we have decided to. every now we're going to dish and in there with a cross with. volunteers based for us out of the core of our action on the local level and i do my best to bring the volunteers voice. please of the ward because this is where this will be my my role in the next four years now mr ok i know you rely on volunteers but you also have to work with local actors including local governments and i may be too pessimistic but it's a common view here in moscow that the so-called international community has no problem coming together to create problems like the ones we observe in the middle east or north africa but it's very very rarely joins hands in order to solve the am i being too negative look if i look at the capacity of. the international community and they go on. to fix the problems that are causing so

many suffering of course there is nothing to be optimistic but if we look of the capacity of humanity of each human beings to. do believing empathy to recognize the other human beings in pain. every day so the problem is that we have to speak up we have to do to clarify and to call to governments to improve the. tomb protect the life of those in need to protect the life of those put to the risk especially in the war zone those are leading the consequences of climate change as an example but mr olcott i assume that this is what you have been doing in your capacity. while working in many positions for the italian red cross at a time when your country was say see the influx of challenges of refugees from multiple of wars and demand the region and that it was

a challenge that italy by and large had to face on its own didn't die experience undermined your face in solidarity in. this period that i had in this year of course is that we found a lot of solidarity of the beginning but then because of the lack of vision on all of our of our e.u. policies created the effect environment to make the. the rushes to increase that because originally this was an opt in they didn't up any immediately and. there was a lot of solidarity then when the discussion come to better distribute to relocate people and we found that there was this kind of quarter that the world where. these us created the. phenomena of russ's external for b. about the if these. didn't up and. maybe we couldn't work

a bit better you know what communities up and for a very long time but to mr ok and to be fair. hasn't been created out of nowhere i mean if you look at the number of refugees around the world it increased by seventy percent in last and it take it so if you only focus on response do you really thing you can. see any results coming up here after because it seems that even if you try to how those in need there will always be more and more significantly more people coming. for how to later on i fully agree with you on the spot about this is not the this is. this is the failure of the lack of vision of the of the international community because of course it's not all about to take care of it's even about to fix the causes of migration yes i think when i started to be

a volunteer in ninety eight at the time we were receiving in italy the migrants and the refugees coming from the horn of africa thirty years later we are still receiving people coming from the same zone and not seeing us changed so this is a complete failure of the international community we should put. the fire from from the disposition of the people so the problem for us as human and i'm going to take care of the people but when you are confronting the communities you have to explain the reason why even about the failure of the politics of the failure of the policies that has been set up to avoid the people flee their homes and their houses because no one that is escaping or said thank you reach europe is happy to do it or no one is to try to cross the mediterranean with these rubber boats and i see that many of the people they see the answer is not to do to escape from their country they were not migrants before. the war saw this is this is their wages that

we have to do us to ourself in our governments and politicians well mr ok it sounds as if you're asking the ordinary people to clear out of the mass the politicians have created which is fair but only to a certain extent the un high commissioner for refugees philippa grandy an italian like yourself recently spoke before the security council urgently calling for the need and what he called cataclysmic conflicts drive a mass displacement and it's interesting because italy was a very active participant in both the iraqi i believe be an intervention is it also played on the side of the west in the syrian conflict i appreciate your call the your appeal to the ordinary people i also appreciate so many italian humanitarians taking on the international leadership roles but do you think that may change the view of the political elite in italy on the advise ability of military intervention

. yeah look this is something that we did and we tried and the. politics is not so different from the their rest of the war so the problem is that . our party these politicians sometime are looking for today and. for the future i'm not selling that. the government didn't make any mistake i'm telling that. the responsibility that we don't have to focus when we when we talk about. this kind of phenomena is something that. involves the international community not only a single oxegen county then in this single country we have to advocate for to stop the causes of migration on the and to our government and our communities understand that we have we have to fix because of migration talking about immigration just on

his own as an example mr rock i don't want to be too argumentative here but when you talk about the international community it's too general of a time because as you know perhaps russia or china wasn't dot and c.z. asked about the american or the western lot after it's in iraq or he's in libya and syria so let's be more specific here do you see the west and i fully understand your point and i would try to answer the best they can. when they when they need to talk i don't want to be naive. and i'm not that if i can assure you when we talk about international community of course we are talking about. the count trees that have the power and that many of the causes and this is something that involve a lot of countries so it's up to them to discuss i mean you money have to take care of people and when i call. and when i take. of

the people we need this is part of my my duty is but then at the same time i do advocate and to call for action so i will calm any initiative that brings to the dialogue or being to new policies included the rush owing to the usa this is i don't make anything of this variances on this aspect because when that when the people is suffering any person involved in the international dialogue and is an international actor is responsible for the for the suffering is causing these lack of dialogue this lack of action in fixing the causes of of migration well some may be more responsible than others to be honest i don't think the people are. suffering always is stuck in the detention center in libya is wondering if the thirty percent of the responsibilities of coming from one country the seventy one or the seventy percent is coming from another i think that both parties must see

and discuss how to alleviate the suffering of these people and this is this is the point i'm not i'm not pointing anyone please i am i am telling that there is a common responsibility when we talk about only one county i mean on the right side of the truck this is the this is our mistake starter i think that we have to see that we have to discuss how to improve our capacity to alleviate this offer and solve the human being or to avoid the what causes so for instance to the human beings well mr i fully agree with you my point was that as you consider possible ways of dealing with the current crisis you he should also be aware of the same consequences if you apply the same method say in the future that's that's my only point i think there and then there is a pattern also intervention and leaving out the consequences for the people on the ground that this is something that surely has to be remedied and i know that you also have actually

a solution for that you are in favor of craig. these so-called illegal groups particularly out of libya which you believe would be critical for closing this rainy and human smuggling hot highway why do you think this idea is so far met with so little enthusiasm from the countries involved look. even more clear and more tough gauging or as a president of the italian across in gauging my government on this just to be very clear because of course i talk about rules by they also said that this is a very important a good location for the government or for the italian government and for the e.u. to engage the libyan authorities to sign of the geneva convention and improve the capacity to protect the life of those the needs of those that. are fleeing the violence and war and this could be a good sign because in my experience and around the libyan authorities was to sign

an agreement about all this and not about human rights and about the protection of the dignity or to subscribe to the geneva convention of the fifty one g.'s and this is something that. isn't a question that my my government as a president of the italian the across the and i spoke out very very clearly and of course if there is someone who is fleeing violence of course i speak about. a call for a legal rules because they must be protected this is my duty from the day which i took the office to the. president of the international federation everywhere i will have the opportunity to speak out on beyond four of those they cannot the most vulnerable it's and this is will be my need and we will meet i hope in the future and you will see that. i don't mean any kind of discount to anyone mr speaking about the legal routes given the and control power of the. in libya and the fact

that there are already many thousands if not millions of migrants and refugees from all over africa gathered in doc country many of them without proper documentation. why do you believe that the establishment of several processing centers is going to change anything imaginable way look at it talking. is a country in war so in this moment who have. cannot be. brought big. libya so this is. my point my point of view you are talking about the media shows that the role of the media show this is not my world or made war is about the level of human suffering and the convention and talking about the protection of the people who is fighting the county. again i think that everyone in this moment in

a country war is escaping or cannot be brought in that count so this was the point that they raised out several times i. honestly i cannot argue about to the militias right because i am not aware i'll bow to always making the violence we know only that there is a lot of violence in this country but i know and this is we have because we have to prove and the evidence is there volunteers of the car you have across yesterday i received twenty six body of a women that died during crossing that needed to run and this is not set the ball on a set of what we've done we don't want to see any more bodies of people of people sweeping a country in war. on the coast well mr rocca we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. even

. listen to this i live the hear hear yourself and. leave the no. need. to be young. again. we have many things in this world sounds this is it you know for everyone and why some peoples wants to take our things all the power just for themselves and to see that you've.

got a very wide grin on life because that saudi prince. we tell them it just good. at all is well confiscated. put on a. brit so tell the middle riyad. up. welcome back to worlds apart with francesca rocca president of the international federation of the red cross and red crescent societies mr rockwood just before the

break we touched upon the issue of how the european countries should process people from africa or the middle east who are knocking on their doors and i'm going to ask you about the situation in myanmar later on in the program but i want to use it as a point of comparison because one of the sticking points in the myanmar situation is the proof of origin the demand by the myanmar government that the refugees. provide some sort of documentation to prove that they indeed come from the state i wonder how do you think the western governments should deal with the african then middle east and migration do you think they should allow anybody in even way through without documents and if that's the case how would do you down ensure that the ride of asylum is respected but not abused. look this is. what you and she are for these ideas is not something you have to ask from me every

person you need i don't ask and i thought oh my god my i'm so ready for jesus we all really know that in this moment. there are six hundred thousand desperate people was stranded. in a sea of six hundred thousand people but without electricity without water without proper assistance and this is our this is our role and that we are trying to provide the right aid to you or your question should be. directed to the to the head though you had to share that maybe is more competent than me on and saying on this question for me you know only that there are this brave people in need then and this is what they what they see in these people are telling us that these freeing violence then it's not me i'm not an investigator or a stop to either read out or it is a very fight if it's true or not but we have a lot of disparate issue and we see a lot of consequences from violence and we have to protect these people and this is

what we're trying to do there all of the money on these not all of the states we take care of the people this is. our role and then there are the government that set up policies and it's up to us to engage them to verify if the policies are good or not organ. of the people but we protect and we try to give dignity to issue mum because we don't we don't make the difference between refugees are they going to me or my grandson alone but mr ok you are one of the very few organizations with the practical experience on the ground because the governments when they make policies than not very well informed in my if least in my experience about what is actually happening on the ground in libya in syria and in sierra leone you also want to use with actually no doubt that that's why i think that you know some sort of expertise of from your side would be very welcome don't you think so yes of course of and when we. we provide you all the information that we have about their life condition

then there's a separation the these people these people are living in but we have not we don't make them look. because when we talk about our role in this. operation the it's very it's very daily we don't want to be involved in some political issue though we know that there are six hundred thousand people out of the three in my and i am are arriving in bangladesh and. to try to take care of them it's up to our movement of course to open a dialogue to verify if it's possible that they come back safe in their houses. which they are fleeing but this is this is our all then there is then you come there to sponsor a bit of the international community don't put on the issue that they are there it's kind of responsibility which there is not let me ask you one more question about this intersection between politics and humanitarian use because the syrian war in particular has dramatically changed the humanitarian field it gave rise to

many organizations which combine humanitarian activities with political or even geo political activism. via talmuds would be one of them but there are many similarities ations originating in turkey even in russia and i want to ask you what do you think about these kind of partisan humanitarian is more humanitarian part of partisanship or whatever you call it does it make your work on the ground easier or harder. become harder because a. this is a very serious issue and i think you that you raise this because. of the you money he's putting a risk the life of the volunteers and you money your money that you're next on the field and the humanitarian action that would never politicize look i would. i want to answer i want to answer you with a very simple towards two q.

for a fairly old brother so this is the motto that they're going to our founders at least and i did so for you know more than one hundred fifty years ago so after a very very poor bout there because the decision on the war of the independence in italy was a really a terrible war and tens of thousands were lying on the ground with the table suffering and they were. strong that they were enemies but the ladies also for you know the women of soul for you know that inspires and we do not they said. all brothers because when a people is suffering or is not is not belong anymore to a party you. must see as a human being. brothers this is the way in which you neutrality because you are not taken by luck to you carol everyone now the syrian conflict has been now somewhat overtaken in the media by the refugee crisis in myanmar you alluded to it a couple of times already and it's be puzzling to me because the decision in myanmar

has been deteriorating not just for years but for decades and all of a sudden everybody woke up to it even though it was pretty evident where it was going for quite some time i know you visited the area i think you visited bangladesh last month what impression did it make on you. look it was a maybe there was a situation that i.e. a ever seen in my money time and experience. because six hundred thousand people in five weeks. i think no no one is this b. and c. is a good level of desperation awards in men's was immense and. when i well when. i was really good through friday i was. without a doubt. wars' to explain the level of suffering of the children thousands of children without parents without their relatives and. this is something that

shouldn't up and to anyone i visited syria. i've been in god's saw you can imagine the level of suffering that i've seen in my experience the ninety after the quake in georgia i've been in many places but what they've seen in that context and of course you said this is and i agree with you the problem is that we say that this is not the olympic games of this predation unfortunately this is something that happened every day and this is the crisis but this doesn't mean that as you money that we are not present everywhere there is a need because we are still in syria because we saw the problem is not about the humanitarian the problem is maybe and i maybe i understand even the reason why the media i'm not following but we always follow we are still in the no one is talking about we are in the horn of africa no one is talking anymore about on an obvious

only if you will say it all when three hundred people died while we spend the. day and so i was talking about. the one single there was a parka in europe which another kind of very strange competition so this is something that again the responsibility is not of the you money that in the money in silence are doing their part that when their request we are ready to world idea formation to the media but then it's up to the media to cover the crisis it's not up to us well mr ok let me put one final question and i don't know if it's good or not i don't want to sound too cynical but this situation in myanmar reminds me a little bit of the situation with the refugees in your nature of a country in italy when everybody was agreeing on decided that the refugees and migrants had to be treated humanely but there were very few. actuaries who were eager to come for very time actually shared the burden do you think that is

a valid comparison maybe maybe maybe let me tell you even an even war study goes either lee. maybe we have more reporting it is. then bangladesh or which every year phase terrible not true of the faster floods and. then this year they face a low and now to another world disaster and but they see a lot of stories out of the migration of call us we agree with you. there should be more of. story that it is coming from from either either countries but this is the this is this is the reality on the ground and. look i am very proud about what i have seen about the role that the bangladesh requests and the british will get and the bangladesh people are. doing it because there is a level of silly they are immense a little silly that it is and so we're in the in the part of the war this very

strange but independent of the war where there may be more difficulties you find mostly that i think they need to like as part of the war well and they're ok so you have to end on the positive note but i still hold that the amount of solidarity would somehow catch up with the acts standoff needs present there on the ground anyway we have to leave it there i really appreciate you being with us today and to our viewers please share your comments out twitter facebook and youtube pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here on worlds apart.

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