i. honestly i cannot argue about to the media shows like because i i'm not aware i'll bow to always making the violence we know only that there is a lot of violence in this country but i know and this is we have because we have to prove in the evidence is the volunteers of the car you have across yesterday i received a twenty six body of a women that died during crossing them ready to run and this is i'm not set the ball on a set of what we don't kill we don't want to see any more bodies of people of people sweeping our country war being on the coast well mr rocker we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. welcome

back to worlds apart with francesca rock a president of the international federation of the red cross and the red crescent society mr rocca just before the break we touched upon the issue of how the european countries should process people from africa or the middle east who are knocking on their doors and i'm going to ask you about the situation in myanmar later on in the program but i want to use it as a point of comparison because one of the sticking points in the him. jamar

situation is the proof of origin the demand by the myanmar government that the refugees. provide some sort of documentation to prove that they indeed come from the state i wonder how do you think the western governments should deal with the african and middle east and migration do you think they should allow anybody. with or without documents and if that's the case how would you dan ensure the bride of asylum is respected but not abused. look this is. you and she are for these ideas is not something you have to ask from me every person you need i don't ask and i thought oh my god my i'm so ready for jesus we all really know that in this moment. there are six hundred thousand desperate people was stranded. in a sea of six hundred thousand people but without electricity without water without

proper assistance and this is our this is our role and that we are trying to provide the right aid your your question should be. directed to the to the head though you ensure that maybe is more competent than me on and saying on this question for me you know only that there are disparate people in need then and this is what they what they see in these people are telling us that these freeing violence then it's not me i'm not an investigator or a stop to either read out or it is a very fight if it's true or not but we have a lot of disparate and we see a lot of consequences from violence and we have to protect these people and this is what we're trying to do there all of the money on these not all of the states we take care of the people this is. our role and then there are the government that set up policies and we it's up to us to engage them to verify if the policies are good or not or. a lot of the people but we protect and we try to give dignity to

issue mum because we don't we don't make the difference between the two gs are they going to make all migrants alone but mr ok you are one of the very few organizations made the practical experience on the ground because the governments when they make policy is that not very well informed in my if least in my experience about what is actually happening on the ground in libya in syria and in sierra leone you all volunteers with actually no doubt that that's why i think that you know some sort of expertise of from your side would be very welcome don't you think so yes of course of and when we. we provide you all the information that we have about their life condition then there's a separation the there are these people that these people are living in but we have not we don't make politics that look. because when we talk about our role in this. operation the it's very it's very daily we don't want to be involved in some political issue though we know that there are six hundred thousand people of the three in my and i am are arriving in bangladesh and. to try to take care of them

it's up to our movement of course to open a dialogue to verify if it's possible that they come back safe in their houses. which they are fleeing but. this is our all there is then you come their responsibility of the international community don't put on our show that they are there is kind of responsibility which there is not let me ask you one more question about this intersection between politics and humanitarian use because the syrian war in particular has dramatically changed the humanitarian field it gave rise to many organizations which combine humanitarian activities with political or even geo political activism. talents would be one of them but there are many similarities ations originating in cherokee even in russia and i want to ask you what do you think about these kind of partisan humanitarian is more humanitarian pile of

partisanship or whatever you call it does it make your work on the ground easier or harder. become harder because a. this is a very she uses sure and i think you that you raise this because. of the your money that he is putting a risk the life of the of the volunteers and you money time and money that you're next on the field and the humanitarian action that would should never politicize look i would. i want to answer i want to answer you with a very simple towards two q. for a fairly old brother so this is the motto that they're going to our founders at least and i did so for you know more than one hundred fifty years ago so after a very terrible bout there because the. war of independence in italy was a really a terrible war and tens of thousands were lying on the ground with the table suffering and they were. strung that were enemies but the ladies also for you know

the women of self-regulating spiders and you know they said. all brothers because when a people is suffering it's not not belong anymore to a party. is a must see as a human being the brothers this is the way in which you neutrality because you're not taking by you are taking care of everyone now the syrian conflict has been now somewhat overtaken indymedia by the refugee crisis in myanmar you alluded to it a couple of times already and it's be puzzling to me because the decision in myanmar has been deteriorating not just for years but for decades and all of a sudden everybody woke up to it even though it was pretty evident where it was going for quite some time i know you visited the area i think you visited bangladesh last month what impression did it make on you. look it was

a maybe there was a situation that the. ever seen in my experience. because six hundred thousand people in five weeks. i think no no one is this being the level of this pressure on the wars in men's was immense and. when i well when. i was really gratified there was. without a enough. was to explain the level of suffering of the children thousands of children without parents without their relatives and. this is something that shouldn't up and to anyone i visited syria. i've been in god's eye view that's all you can imagine the level of suffering that i've seen in my experience the night after the quake in georgia i've been in many places but what they've seen in

that context of course you said this is and i agree with you the problem is that we say that this is not the olympic games of this predation unfortunately this is something that happened every day and this is the crisis but this doesn't mean that as you money we are not present everywhere there is a need because we are still in syria because we saw the problem is not about the humanitarian the problem is maybe and i maybe i understand even the reason why the media i'm not following but always follow we are still in the know what he's talking about we are in the horn of africa and no one is talking anymore about on only a few will say when three hundred people died while we spend the. day and so i was talking about. the one single there was a parka in europe which another kind of very strange competition so this is something that again the responsibility is not of the your money that in your money

in silence are doing their part that when their request we are ready to world idea formation to the media but then it's up to the media to cover the crisis it's not up to us well mr ok let me put one final question and i don't know if it's good or not i don't want to sound too cynical but this situation in myanmar reminds me a little bit of the situation with the refugees in your nature of a country in italy when everybody was agreeing on decided that the refugees and migrants had to be treated humanely but they were very few. entries or actors who were eager to come for very time actually shared the burden do you think that is a valid comparison maybe maybe maybe let me tell you even an even war study goes easily. maybe we have more opportunities and then bangladesh or which every year phase a terrible night throughout the zoster floods and. then this year they face

a low and now to another world disaster and but they see a lot of stories out of the migration of call us we agree with you. this should be more of. a story that it is coming from from either either countries but this is the this is this is the reality on the ground and. look i'm very proud about what i've seen about the role that the bad weather should press and the british will get and the bangladesh people are. doing good because there is a level of silly that is there any mensa level silly that it is and so we're in the in the part of the war this very strange but independent of the war where there may be more difficulties you find mostly that if you didn't like this part of the war well and mr ok so you have to end on the positive note but i still hold that the amount of solidarity would somehow catch up with the extent of needs present there on the ground anyway we have to leave it there i really appreciate you being with us today and job viewers please share your comments out twitter facebook and

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