either time but to conceal me to it's not happening from one day to the other. everybody has so little of the own history now and if you this coming bag to to create your confrontation then the old images are coming up but i think a point of time nobody really either on the side nor in russia side realize that it was actually approaching that very critical confrontational moment and i want to ask you about the second part of these manichean image of the bride in shiny european union why did that image come from because the european union as successful as it was it was also having its own struggles do you think the clash over ukraine had anything to do with is own internal doubts i don't think so i think of as a little have to say quite straight the no litterbug to crane within the european union is very limited i think they have no the real milledge those were no seats

around issues over your syrians who we have a little bit more know ledge i think a lot of us are and some of the rig sometimes archons us a. crane. this is nothing else that they're part of it i'm sure by history looking into the opposition the peer for those of them saw the. i think this not really understood and so for this one of the difficulties i agree with you on that particular point but i think when russians say that russian president often says that he he personally believes that russians and ukrainians came from the same sort of asked an equal from the same cultural pool. it's never being argued that ukraine is no different from russia it is never been argued that ukraine does not have the right to sovereignty does not have the right to solve determination don't you think that perhaps russians too could have a guess. articulated the ideas

a little bit better because i could understand how fans of could that be to the ukrainians. for sure it is a learning process i think the ukrainians have to learn all the self's this one of the difficulties i remember by first the easy deal for a kind of independent ukraine and i met my reason vice president of the ukrainian government he was speaking to be international language and at this at moment to when we started out of fiscal talks now is to switch to see the korean language for me it was not the difference because i neither know russian nor know the ukrainian language so for i think this is mirroring the difficulties they have with themselves and their perception and also me as a that is one of the critiques and doing to the russians. i think. the old situations are coming back and the stand pulte in them that i understand the

russia is they are not in favor that nato is coming directly to the border of russia you know i'm fully sharing your of this opinion that it was a mistake to do so. but on the other side i think. they came back and the old impression of confrontation. that's a mistake on the western side to you especially by the americans but the lives of some western europeans i have to say precisely as the new europeans. are also on the other side but come on it's not only the western europeans the poles for example played all sat quiet there and had to vent by five now this is history i think the confrontation poland and that ayesha is allowed last thing went on and i think it's also the question of consummation what has happened by the end of the second world war because poland was moved two hundred kilometers west towards.

losing newsies the bones are getting from germany a duchess and i hear what they're going to say parts of their country into this still not yet concealed so everybody is essentially acting on that old historical and sometimes mystical grievances because it's primitive i think you you have no to making any distinctions if you have nothing to consider i think you are using the old follows and the old revisions and lifts it now let's put history aside and let's try to move to look for it i've heard you say that what russia is currently interested in ukraine is for managing some sort of a frozen conflict and i would not actually dispute that because if you consider all possible alternatives frozen conflict may not be desirable but it may actually be a lesser evil at least from the russian point of view because as you said russia indeed does not want to see nader in your crane now can i ask you the europeans specifically the e.u. position what exactly the e.u.

it now wants to see in ukraine and i'm not asking you about best wishes in the most practical terms given the underlying causes of this conflict what is the bast possible scenario that the e.u. should be working toward. i think i repeat there is no real strategy of the european union to craned this sort of a lot of different opinions within the european union by the member states for sure which is quite ok if that is happening and i think sometimes it is a reaction really to primitive. understand i'm not happy about the stand these frozen conflicts that the chief of put in because it's giving possibility to influence a situation whenever you want to get open the conflict you can close a conflict now i don't think it's about opening and closing the conflict but simply not lobbying nato. consume in a strategic south consume ukraine but what i'm more interested in the ghana is the

. it is the european factor because every year remember people when they took to the streets they were chanting ukraine is europe and that what they meant by that is the european union do they have any chance of realizing that european dream at this point i think you have to understand for a very long time going to that i think even it's still not existing there is i think another standing europe is european union which is not right because no told europe is european union for sure that it's quite clear but that this is the impression and i think you should also understand the el to an o.t. if of the countries coming out of the soviet empire. but they don't break out the curtain i think their perspective was european union i think we want to go immediately to the european union and i cannot tell you for sure that this was exactly what the ukrainians had on their mind on the european culture you know that

european music but the european union the european standards of living european or situations and so on and so forth and at that time i think the letter ship of the european commission was encouraging. that sentiment how did the american idea promise that the crane might become a member of the european union i think you that person never promised was it because i think many ukrainians took at exactly like that that was never promised there's no decision within the european union of the two crane might become a member of the european union i think this is misunderstood sometimes misused also by the understanding of the russian side i think he has no decision about them it is always a phrase used neighborhood policy we need the european union neighborhood to polish it but there was a is that really fair because you know that in order to make that civilizational choice as the ukrainian politicians like to call it they have to severe many of

their economic ties with russia. many of the industrial ties were caught the ukraine is now risking losing income from the gas transit so ukraine has made a lot of sacrifices for what if it cut its ties with russia it's surely hope that it would be embraced by the west more fully not just encouraged but fully embraced and support it it is a right to use the ukrainians want to use their best spec to force a european union but this is not going from monday to the other i think it's always mr the steel to you can become visit once for each member there's a european union you have to fulfill the quotations and then the end and there are a lot of consequences you have already mentioned here that need some time you may arrive to these critiques of the representatives of the european union they're not rightly outspoken about his subject i think they've never contradicted the two of these hopes but they have never been living any decision opening because this

possibility personally i'm cold winds to might be right after twenty thirty years i think you need to some time to consume the results of history is good and that the and i think you can appeal a become a new europe with the in winds which should be a short time i think he did some time. proposing on the austrian side several times of those ukrainians they might be clearly a threat to the because we austrians we have a good experience also towards the soviet union in previous times and he. careens we are not really understanding of the state that she declared to be a trial at the well that's implicit let me stop you right here we have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. yes

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welcome back while the part of a doctor i had for my vice chancellor of austria dr buss and just before the break here you mentioned the astros neutral status and there was a time when ukraine also enjoyed that status and was quite content with the unfortunate that's among no longer the case according to polls the majority of ukrainians strongly favor joining of major and that may be russia's fault that may have been provoked by russia's own policy but. the thing is it seems that nato is not ready or willing to reciprocate not only because of the fears of provoking russia but frankly because a few koreans on internal security and economic risks what kind of relationship do you think the west can now realistically offer to your crane as far

as integration or security matters go. to be as the real story that you could turn to your agreeing with them so nouriel and they're not adjusted that just the abstract discussion about. valleys but nothing in concrete nothing in complete i think there was never done a real decision work to all folk rain but what is he really bored pull to be of always to luke there is a part of members in the european union say we can't hold office that attitude to zero creaminess because in russia doesn't want it that plays are very important they're all friends and who have very cautious of the subject but i'm not sure that there was a really precise discussion with the russians how to manage the problem or how to totally agree with you moreover i think russians really feel the need now it's you put the rest there kong put that conflict with ukraine to rest and. hopefully. have

europe or the european union take some responsibility for what transpired in that country because your crane is in a difficult financial position now it it needs some sources of income and it's not quite. obvious how it can solve situated for their loss income from the severe they can all make ties with russia do you think the association agreement that was again the sort of the beginning point for his father for this do you think it provides enough for for ukraine to carry on i think association agreement is not enough i think that also there's a sort of changes within ukraine. i think concerning how economists legislation and so on and so on that a lot of and those are proposals by the european and world to change their real problem internally in the ukrainian is that this issue making of the subject of a lot of differences not only between west indies to be here in this context also

which this threat that she had can be regulated on i think it's a question of political management. green has to learn to be independent because they have been for a very long time. those are some of them but isn't that a little bit cruel i'm in ukraine was it had there's some sort of a symbiotic relationship with russia that relationship was caught very dramatically on the pretext that you know ukraine should aspire to broader western values and now people in the west are telling your crane come on you are on your own we support you but you're really on your own despite the fact that it has a very difficult situation not only with russia but also with other neighbors because it doesn't want to be part of the customs union of its complicates its trade with other countries of the former soviet union is that really fear is that a fair position my idea that this is a program of such tremendous changes i think to leave this over there for one thing

led to the other. does it mean that the united will to handle it or you think so and you only i think he you need steps and pretty experiences even if you see the real beefy cation of those germany is still a consequence is in difficulties internally we've not yet done and even consider your ground it's even more important because here the cuts. even more important also concerning those who say if we go and it's easy to asian but not only on this i think you can see a crimea not taken by the russians a producer also a program for the russians since it costs a lot of money although it costs a lot of money and by that i think that i know that you believe that crimea is now the finished this year and i actually believe at the agree with you on that i think there will come a time when russia will make an accommodation to ukraine on the issue of crimea not necessarily changing the borders but i'm pretty sure that russia will. at some

point of time make sure that ukrainian still very welcome in crimea this is the only way for russia to patch its difficulties busier really right now you mentioned the energy issue and this is very interesting because three years ago we heard that about the unified western position on ukraine but now it's not even clear what the west really means take for example the second no stream pipeline we have the americans who are strongly against it to be have the germans and the austrians cost for it. do they even have the ukrainian interest any one of them do they have the ukrainian interest in mind because there seems to be. that each country's pursuing that own it kind of you have to friend defend the austrians or what we did to you is to those obtained his concern exam pipelines that we are able to send in achieve a new vision and so it will look as if it back to karim here we did it but we are playing

a minor role of this thing the whole situation is removing their members changes and for sure the real background is i think we need a certain way of regulation in the relations between russia on the one side and the european union on the other side i think the energy program has to see in the global context even. though i think that not enough talks on both sides insist that but when you specifically consider the issue of gas transit on the one hand ukraine needs much meat needs that kind of income from gas transit on the other hand you don't want to. be worrying about the supply of gas every winter could you seeing and how do you think that decision should be made whether or not that project should be given a green light if you put your crane that the center of all of this i think it will be done only by the ukrainian think would be the general enjoyment of the riches who obviously extremely difficult because of all the arranged. nuns looking for

example to the minsk agreement does not care because it's not really fulfilled the old come patients this is a very good example because i think it's a good merchant that the energy question because here we need peace to such a number of wake him still existing i think here we need another behavior concerning negotiations and really fulfilled. and i think the talks should be open and straight to the subject well i merican seem to be playing a very active role and there seems to be some progress as far as mr. they the american representative on your crane is concerned he's proposing he's trying to. deal on the un peacekeeping force and i think russia would generally be in favor of bad but the problem is guy is again why that the ukrainian side will be.

able to call parade because politically its options are very limited for vill some publishers internally and i think he has a say on the side of the european union we have to have more talks resume cranium concerning foreign film and also different positions with the new korinos are subject to good no let your brother is the no kareena for market ratio you have a say here the positions are quite different as to the east and sometimes see these are more not the principle position but that some put the to petition smyth to lose. respect because they have promised scenes which are not very realistic and so on and so there's too much politics in that bad of a of this is free now i think it's indisputable that what's your craniums wanted during the might i'm proudest of was the change of from ation the change of economic and governing model and i think it would be fair to say that so far they

only got the change of leadership as they the governing model has not yet fully been transformed by the. i know there are lots of people in russia who with eagerly blame for that but if we are really fair it is a major problem for all pos communist societies it's extremely difficult to. grow your institutions i know that you have a special expertise in that area do we understand at this point of time what it takes to move from post authoritarian post communist societies into a stronger democratic ones it is a learning process and you lead the efforts i think that you are willing to learn in tears of difficulty by acting politicians and by political that the just and so on and so on because a lot of countries are using the difficulties for their own purposes internally and so on and sob i think some parties have the living out of the use and the raising

some questions i think if when they bring companies are saying oh it's not as good as bad kids they come to crime for i'm not hungary it's not helpful i think so far i think we have to put. the questions and they really become certain to move for sure there are three men those changes will be no crime this is headed to development to block or to see but i want to be fair the needs a lot of time and experience are the needs a lot of training so very much looking always to education there are some other examples in eastern europe many in the western europe us how what concerned about i mean hot hangry i'm in poland those countries a sometimes accused of being increasingly authoritarian do you see that in the same lie that they're sort of going back in history of returning to that most authoritarian instincts or is it just a normal learning curve sometimes you go for it sometimes or for laps is that part of growing that democratic muscle or is that already something to be

a war of about i think you want to be but quite outspoken is his judgment to riches have been a million hungary the poland and so on it is a pure enough. yes i think it's mixed up with history. in one point victor lebanese totally right i think communism in hungary was not really. changed or there was no learning curve on sis but we got out of this as the switched from company sticks that to to more courtesy immediately i think even if those who were not as the new government which was an old communist government then i got to put down the budget books and the program was finished it's not yet finished i think you need some time to consume and to look at step by step other well he certainly cannot change societies by political declarations and i think there are lots of studies these days about values in many pos communist societies and you see

a very significant change on many social issues like the algae bt migration abortion and many similar issues there is a divide between in western europe and eastern europe and up until recently i think the position of the western europe has been that you guys have to play by you know you have to be like us you have to accept our values. that's pretty much it don't you think that's what we are seeing in poland in hungary maybe even in russia is sort of a push back against these kind of. morally and moralistic supremacy you know you are totally right i think sister is a jew which was done you have to change for monday to the others are pure nonsense they need some time of you need a specific kind of dialogue i would even say empathy to have an understanding which is partly missing i'm very keen on the subject for a better long time and i'm preaching it in my own country and also in western

european countries that we need another perception of consuming history and consequences out of this. for sure it is a lot. process which may be making it difficult is that sometimes without any doubt but i think there's also a necessary patience i missing for example even by many own country or by the government of my country a certain kind of dialogue i think we had better times after the downfall of the neighboring countries as we have now a days because i think we had the league so that we know everything wrong. this is wrong i think you have to understand why the doing so and to stop the discussion i was a subject. might be some mistakes. and so on that there was a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time and to our viewers please share your comments now at twitter facebook page and i hope to see

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