no was it deliberate. i think it was not the live at that was it changed never really i think the press action in the rest of the western european could say things to changes in russia then it's going to relate to the subject i think it was for a very long time russia over time i mean. very primitive it was the differentiation was not really seen i think maybe the reception of the changes even the big go bitch of it didn't go into the right direction and afterwards i think. for a lot of people it was not really of it was a tremendous change in the russia happening for sure you needed time to consume it it's not happening from one day to the other and i think everybody has to learn out of the own history now and if it is coming bag to to create you know confrontation then the old images are coming up but i think at that point of time nobody really

either on the e.u. side nor in russia side realize that it was actually approaching that very critical confrontational moment and i want to ask you about the second part of these manichean image of the bride in shiny european union why did that image come from because the european union as successful as it was it was also having its own struggles do you think the clash over ukraine had anything to do with is own internal doubts. i don't think so i think of as a little have to say quite straight the knowledge about to a crane within the european union is very limited i think they have no the real milledge those were no see throughout the ages of the austrians we have a little bit more on the ledge i think a lot of austrians of on the league sometimes archons us a. crane. this is nothing else that the parts of it are shot by history looking into the. thousand then

saw then some i think this not really understood that and so for this one of the difficulties i agree with you on that particular point but i think when russians say that russian president often says that he he personally believes that russians and ukrainians came from the same sort of athlete fall from the same cultural pool . it's never being argued that ukraine is no different from russia it is never been argued that ukraine does not have the right to sovereignty it does not have the right to sell a solid determination don't you think that perhaps russians too could have i guess . articulated. ideas a little bit better because i could understand how fans of could that be to the ukrainians. for sure it is a learning process i think the ukrainians have to learn all day absolves this one

of the difficulties i remember by first the easy deal for a kind of independent craney i met my reserve vice president to see the careening government he was speaking to we had the national language and at this at the moment when we started the vehicle talks now is to switch to the ukrainian language for me it was not the difference chris and i thought no russian or no they were karelian language so for i think this is mirroring the difficulties they have. with themselves their perception and also me as a that is one of the critiques i'm doing to the russians. i think. the old situations are coming big and the stand pulte in them understand that ayesha is they are not in favor that nato is coming to the directory to the board of russia he i'm fully sharing your this opinion that it was a mistake to do so. but on the other side i think. they came back

and the old impression of confrontation. that's a mistake on the western side to you specially by the americans but the lives of some best than europeans i have to say precisely best and europeans. are also on the other side but come on it's not only the western europeans the poles for example played all sat quiet there and active and i find i have no this is history i think the confrontation the poet in that i should as i lugged last thing with him and i think it's also the question of consumation what has happened by the end of the second world war because poland was moved two hundred kilometers west towards losing these eastern points and getting from germany a dutch as i hear whatever you want to say parts of the country that this still not yet concealed so everybody is essentially acting on that old historical and

sometimes mythical agrement says because it's primitive i think you have no to making any distinctions if you have nothing to consider i think you are using the old follows and old to business and that's it and now let's put history aside and let's try to look for it i've heard you say that what russia is currently interested in ukraine is for amounting some sort of afros and conflict and i would not actually dispute that because if you consider all possible alternatives frozen conflict may not. be desirable but it may actually be a lesser evil at least from the russian point of view because as you said russia indeed does not want to see nader in your crane now can i ask you the european specifically the e.u. position what exactly the e.u. now wants to see in ukraine and i'm not asking you about best wishes in the most practical terms given the underlying causes of this conflict what is the bast possible scenario that the e.u. should be working toward i think i repeat there is no real strategy of the european

union to graeme there's a lot of different opinions within the european union by the members stage for sure which is quite ok if that is happening and i think sometimes of the reactions are really too primitive. on the stand i'm not happy about the stand these frozen conflicts that you have put in because it's giving push ability to influence a situation when ever you want you can open the conflict you can close for comfort now i don't think it's about opening and closing the conflict but simply not lobbying nato or consume in a strategic sense consume ukraine but what i'm more interested in the ghana is the . is the european factor because every year remember people when they took to the streets they were chanting ukraine is europe and what they meant by that is the european union do they have any chance of realizing that european dream at this

point i think you have to understand that for a very long time and that i think even it's still not existing there is i think you're standing europe is european union which is not right because no told europe is european union for sure that it's quite clear but that this is the impression and i think you should go also on the stand the l to an o.t. if of the countries coming out of the soviet empire. but they don't break out the curtain i think their perspective was european union i think we want to go immediately to the european union and i can tell you for sure that this was exactly what the ukrainians had on their mind on the european culture you know the european music by the european union the european standards of living european or situations and so on and so forth and at that time i think the letter ship of the european commission was encouraging. that sentiment how did you marry not getting

a promise that the crane might become a member of the european union i think you that person never promised was it because i think many ukrainians took at exactly like that that was never promised as no decision within the european union of the two crane might become a member of the european union i think this is misunderstood sometimes misused also by the understanding of the russian side i think he has no decision about them it is always a phrase used neighborhood policy we need the european union neighborhood to polish it but there was a is that really fair because you know that in order to make that civilizational choice as the ukrainian politicians like to call it they had to severe many of their economic ties with russia. many of the industrial ties were caught the ukraine is now risking losing income from the gas transit so ukraine has made a lot of sacrifices for what is it cut its ties with russia it's surely hope that

it won't be embraced by the west more fully not just encouraged but fully embraced and support it it is a ride to the ukrainians wanted their best path to force a european union but this is not going from monday to the other i think you always miss the sealed you can become visit once for each member there's a european union you have to fulfill the quotations and then the end and there are a lot of consequences you have already mentioned here that need some time you may arrive to these critiques of the representatives of the european union then of the rightly outspoken of his subject i think they've never contradicted the two of these hopes but they have never been living any decision opening exists possibility personally i'm cold winds to might be right after twenty thirty years i think you'll be some time to consume the results of history is good and they had to and i think you can appeal a become in europe with the end winds which should be

a short time i think he did some time. proposing on the austrian side several times of those ukrainians they might be clearly a threat to the because we are students we have a good experience also towards the soviet union the previous time and here that the oak remains we are not really understanding the state that she declared to be a trial at the well that's implicit let me stop you right here we have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments. here's

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welcome back to well the part of a doctor i had for my vice chancellor of austria dr buss and just before the break here you mentioned the asters neutral status and there was a time when ukraine also enjoyed that status and was quite content with it unfortunately that's no longer the case according to polls the majority of ukrainians now strongly favor joining of neda and that may be russia's fault that may have been provoked by russia's own policy but. the thing is it seems that nato is not ready or willing to reciprocate not only because of the fears of provoking russia but the frankly because a few koreans on internal security and economic risks what kind of relationship do you think the west can now realistically offer to your crane as far as integration or security matters go they gave a very beautiful world of said to the real story that you could journey your green

with them so you know you know just the just the abstract discussion about values but nothing in concrete nothing in complete i think there was never been a real decision worked all for great but what is really bored poor to be of always to look there is a part of members of the european union say we cannot go first that you do so you agree means because our russia doesn't want it that bridge a very important that all for us and who are very cautious of this subject but i am not sure that there was a really precise this question was the russians how to manage the problem or are you totally agree with you moreover i thing the russians really feel the need now it's you put the rest their kong up with that conflict with your current arrest and . hopefully. have europe or the european union take some responsibility for what transpired in that country because your crane is in a difficult financial position now if it needs some sources of income and it's not

quite. obvious how it can solve situated for their loss income from the c.v. or they can all make ties with russia do you think the association agreement that was again the sort of the beginning point for this part of their focus do you think it provides enough for for ukraine to carry on i think is a c.-h. an agreement is not enough i think that also the business of the changes within ukraine. i think concerning the whole economy is the legislation and so on and so on the lot of. those with proposals by the european and world to change their real problem in turn to leave the ukrainian they say that this issue making of the subject of a lot of differences not only between west indies to the hearings is complex also we reached this threat that she had can be really done i think it's a question of political management to do. green has to learn to be

independent because we have been for a very long time those are some of them but isn't that a little bit cruel i'm in ukraine was it had there's some sort of a symbiotic relationship with russia that relationship was caught very dramatically on the pretext that you know ukraine should aspire to broader western values and now people in the west are telling your crane come on you are on your own we support you but you're really on your own despite the fact that it has a very difficult situation not only with russia but also with other neighbors because it doesn't want to be part of the customs union of each complicates its trade with other countries of the former soviet union is that's really fear is that a fair position my idea that this is a program of such tremendous show. dangerous i think to leave the soviet empire from one day to the other does that mean that the united will to handle you things on your own way i think he'll need steps and a pretty experiences even if you see the real movie cation of those germany's has

still consequences and difficulties internally we've not yet done and even considering a crime is even more important because here the cuts. even more important also concerning those who say if we go in it's easy to asian but not only on this i think you can see crimea ok now taken by the russians through there's also a program for the russians and that costs a lot of money well it costs a lot of money by that i think that i know that you believe that crimea is not a finished issue and actually believe at the agree with you on that i think there will come a time when russia will make an accommodation to ukraine on the issue of crimea not necessarily changing the borders but i'm pretty sure that russia will. at some point of time make sure that's ukrainian still very welcome in crimea this is the only way for russia to patch it's difficult if they're really right now you

mentioned the energy issue and this is very interesting because three years ago we heard that about the unified western position on ukraine but now it's not even clear what the west really means take for example the second no stream pipeline we have the americans who are strongly against it to be have the germans and the austrians cough for it. do they even have the ukrainian interest any one of them do they have the ukrainian interest in mind because there seems to be. that each countries pursuing that own it kind of you have to friend defend the austrians who would we did to use those obtained his concern exam pipelines that we are able to send in achieve your visions or look as he would back to karim here we did it but we are playing a minor role of this thing the whole situation is a loser members changes and for sure there will break around this i think we need a certain way of regulation in the relations between russia on the one side and the

european union of the other side i think the energy program you have to see in the global context even. i think that not enough talks on both sides exists there but when you specifically consider the issue of gas transit on the one hand ukraine needs much need needs that kind of income from gas transit on the other hand you don't want to. be worrying about the supply of gas every winter could you seeing and how do you think that decision should be made of whether or not that project should be given a green light if you put your crane at the center of all of this i think it will be done only by the. thing would be the general enjoyment of the riches who obviously extremely difficult because although you are into. nuns looking for example to the minsk agreement does not deliberate here because it's not really fulfilled and the old come patients this is a very good example because i think it's even merchant that the energy question

because here we need peace to such a number of wake him still existing i think here we need another behavior concerning negotiations and really fulfilled. and i think the talks should be open and straight to the subject well i merican seem to be playing a very accept role and there seems to be some progress as far as mr. the american representative on your crane is concerned he's proposing he's trying to. deal on the un peacekeeping force and i think russia would generally be in favor of that but the problem is guy is again why that the ukrainian side will be. able to call parade because politically its options are very limited for villa some publishers internally and i think he. is to say on the side of the european union

we have to have more talks resume craney and concerning foreign film and also different positions with the new crane those are subject to good no let your brother is the no kareena for market ratio you have a say here the positions are quite different as to the east and sometimes see these are more not the principle position but that some point the support of patients might the lose. respect because they have promised scenes which are not very realistic and so on and so there's too much politics in that bad of a of this is free now i think it's indisputable that what you crimean wanted during the might i'm proudest of was the change of from nation the change of economic and the governing model and i think it would be fair to say that so far they only got the change of leadership as they the governing model has not yet fully being transformed by the. i know there are

a lot of people in russia who with eagerly blame for that but if we are really fair it is a major problem for all pos communist societies it's extremely difficult to. grow your institutions i know that you have a special expertise in that area do we understand at this point of time what it takes to move from post authoritarian post communist societies into a stronger democratic ones it is a learning process and you lead the efforts i think that you are willing to learn. in two years of difficulty by acting politicians and by political that the just and so on and so on because a lot of countries are using the difficulties for their own purposes internally and so on and so on i think some parties are really living out of the issue and the raising some pressure and i think if when they bring companies who say oh it's not just give us bad kids they come to crime for i'm hungry it's not helpful i think so i think we have to put. the questions and the relief to be concerted to move for

shrewd tremendous changes with the new crime necessary to develop multiple crissy but i want to be fair the needs a lot of time and experience at the needs a lot of training so very much looking always to education there are some other examples in eastern europe many in the western europe of how what concerned about i mean hot hungry i mean poland those countries are sometimes accused of being increasingly authoritarian do you see that in the same lie that they're sort of going back in history of returning to that most authoritarian instincts or is it just a normal learning curve sometimes you go for it sometimes there are laps is that part of growing that democratic muscle or is that already something to be a war of about i think you want to be but quite outspoken is his judgment to riches have been a million hungary the poland and so on it is a pua noms. yes i think it's mixed up with history. in one point victor

lebanese totally right i think communism in hungary was not really. changed there was no learning curve from space but we got of this as the switched from communistic state to to more courtesy immediately i think even if those who were not as the new government which was an old communist government then i got to put down their pocketbooks and the program was finished it's not yet finished i think you need some time to consume and to get step by step other well he certainly cannot change societies by political declarations and i think there are lots of studies these days about values in many pos communist societies and you see a very significant change on many social issues like the algae bt migration abortion and many similar issues there is a divide between western europe and eastern europe and up until recently i think

the position of the western europe has been that you guys have to play by you know you have to be like us you have to accept our values. that's pretty much it don't you think that what we're seeing in poland in hungary maybe even in russia is a sort of a push back against these kind of. morally and moralistic supremacy you know you are totally right i think sister etheridge average person you have to change from monday to the others are pure nonsense they need some time of you need a specific kind of dialogue of will to even say empathy to have an understanding which is partly missing i'm very keen on the subject what i've got a long time and i'm preaching it in my own country those who are in western european countries that we need another perception of consuming history and consequences out of this for sure it is a lot. process which may be making it difficult is that sometimes without any doubt

but i think there's also a necessary patience and missing for example even by mail in country or by the government of my country a certain kind of dialogue i think we had better times after the downfall of the good news of neighboring countries as we have now a days because i think we had to leave so that we know everything wrong. i think this is wrong i think you have to understand why the doing so and to stop the discussion i was a subject. might be some mistakes. and saw. a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time and our viewers please share your comments now at twitter and facebook and. i hope the same place same time here in a while to part. that

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