it i think the. second part of this manichean image of the union why did that image cost accessible as it was it was also anything to do with is own i don't think so i think of as a little have to say quite straight the no legit bow to crane within the european union is very limited i think they have no the real milledge those were no see throughout the ages of the austrians who we have a little bit more on the ledge i think a lot of all students on the way get sometimes i wish i was a. crane. this is nothing else that the part of it i should buy history looking into the properties and the. thousand of them saw the inside i think this not really understood that and so for this one of the difficulties i agree with you on that particular point but i think when russians say that russian president often says that he he personally believes that russians and ukrainians came from the same sort of ethnic pool from the same

cultural pool. it's never being argued that ukraine is no different from russia it is never been argued that ukraine does not have the right to sovereignty does not have the right to self-determination don't you think that perhaps russians too could have a guess. articulated the ideas a little bit better because i could understand how sounds of could that be to the ukrainians. for sure it is a learning process i think the ukrainians have to live selves this is one of the difficulties i remember but first the reason is there for a kind of independent a crane it. was a reserve vice president to say the creaming government he was speaking to be the national language and at this at the moment to when we started the vehicle talks now is to switch to see the korean language. for me it was not the difference chris

and i thought no russian no no the ukrainian language so far i think this is mirroring the difficulties we have with themselves and their perception and also me as a that is one of the critiques i'm doing to the russians. i think. the old situations are coming back and the stand pulte in them that i understand the russia is they are not in favor that nato is coming to the direct into the border of russia you know i'm fully sharing your of this opinion that it was a mistake to do so. but on the other side i think if. they came back in the old impression of confrontation. that's a mistake on the western side too specially by the americans but the lives of some vets the new european so i have to say precisely as the new europeans. are also on the other side but come on it's not only the western europeans the poles for

example played all sat quiet them and active and i find i have no this is history i think the confrontation poland and that i should as i lugged last thing went on and i think it's also the question of consumation what has happened by the end of the second world war because poland was moved two hundred kilometers west towards losing these eastern parts and getting from germany a dutch as i hear whatever you want to say parts of the country into this still not yet concealed so everybody is essentially acting on that old historical and sometimes mythical agrement says because it's primitive i think you you have no to making any distinctions if you have nothing to consider i think you are using the old formulas and the old to business and that's it and now let's put history aside and let's try to look for it i've heard you say that what russia is currently interested in ukraine is. for managing some sort of

a frozen conflict and i would not actually dispute that because if you consider all possible alternatives frozen conflict may not be desirable but it may actually be a lesser evil at least from the russian point of view because as you said russia indeed does not want to see nader in your crane now can i ask you the european specifically the e.u. position what exactly the e.u. now wants to see in ukraine and i'm not asking you about best wishes in the most practical terms given the underlying causes of this conflict what is the bast possible scenario that the e.u. should be working toward i think i repeat there is no real strategy of the european union to careen there's a lot of different opinions within the european union by the members stage for sure which is quite ok if it is happening and i think sometimes of the reactions are really too primitive. on the stand i'm not happy about the stand these frozen

conflicts that you have put in because it's giving push ability to influence a situation when ever you want you could open the conflict you can close for comfort now i don't think it's about opening and closing the conflict but simply not lobbying nato or consume in a strategic sense consume ukraine but what i'm more interested in the ghana is the . is the european factor because every year remember people when they took to the streets they were chanting ukraine is europe and what they meant by that is the european union do they have any chance of realizing that european dream at this point i think you have to understand for a very long time that that i think even it's still not existing there is i think another standing europe is european union which is not right because no told europe is european union for sure that it's quite clear but that these impression and i

think you should also understand the alternative of the countries coming out of the soviet empire. but they don't break out the curtain i think their perspective was european union i think we want to go immediately to the european union and i can tell you for sure that this was exactly what the ukrainians had on their mind on the european culture you know that european music but the european union the european standards of living european or situations and so on and so forth and at that time i think the later ship of the european commission was encouraging. that sentiment how did the american idea promise that the crane might become a member of the european union i think you that person never promised was it because i think many ukrainians took at exactly like that that was never promised there's no decision within the european union of it to careen might become a member of the european union i think this is misunderstood sometimes misused also

by the understanding of the russian side i think he has no decision about them it is always a phrase used neighborhood policy we need the european union neighborhood to polish it but there was a is that really fair because you know that they noted to make that civilizational choice as the ukrainian politicians like to call it they had to severe many of their economic ties with russia. many of the industrial ties were caught the ukraine is now risking losing income from the gas transit so ukraine has made a lot of sacrifices for what it had cut its ties with russia it's surely hope that it would be embraced by the west more fully not just encouraged but fully embraced and support it it is a ride to the ukrainians wanted it best picture from say european you know in the end but this is not going from monday to the other i think it's always missed the steeled you can become visit once for each member there's a european union you have to fulfill the quotations and then the end and there are

a lot of consequences you have already mentioned to you need some time you may arrive to these critiques of the representatives of the european union they're not rightly outspoken about his subject i think they've never contradicted the two of these hopes but they have never been living any decision opening this possibility personally i'm cold winds to might be right off the twenty thirty years i think you would need some time to consume the results of history is good and they had to and i think you can appeal a become in europe with the in wins which should be a short time i think he did some time. proposing on the austrian side several times of those ukrainians they might be clearly a threat to the because we are students we have a good experience also towards the soviet union the previous time and he. careens we are not really understanding of the state that she declared to be

a trial at the well that's implicit let me stop you right here we have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments. one hundred years ago russia was consumed by revolution and unprecedented violence it is not in understatement to say the russian revolution or pulse of a coup d'etat was a defining moment of the twentieth century how did it change russian. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the want. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or something i want to be honest. that's why the press has what before us three in the morning can't be good

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welcome back while the part of a doctor i have book sick former vice chancellor of austria dr buss and just before the break here you mentioned the astros neutral status and there was a time when ukraine also enjoyed that status and was quite content with it unfortunately that's a long no longer the case according to polls the majority of ukrainians now strongly favor joining of neda and that may be russia's fault that may have been provoked by russia's own policy but. the thing is it seems that nato is not ready or willing to reciprocate not only because of the fears of provoking russia but the frankly because a few koreans on internal security and economic risks what kind of relationship

do you think the west can now realistically offer to your crane as far as integration or a security man. go the game i'm repeating what i said to there is no real story at the g. concerning your growing within the north of england they're not adjusted that just the abstract discussion about the valleys but nothing in concrete nothing in complete i think there was never done a real decision work to all folk rain but what is really bored paul to be of always to look there is a product of members of the european union say we cannot of this threat that you do so you agree means because russia doesn't want it that plays a very important that all for us who have very cautious of this subject but i am not sure that there was a really precise discussion with the russians how to manage the problem or how to totally agree with you moreover i think russians really feel the need now to put the rest their kong up with that conflict with ukraine to rest and. hopefully. have

europe or the european union take some responsibility for what transpired in that country because their crane is in a difficult financial position now if it needs some sources of income and it's not quite. obvious how it can solve situated for their loss income from the severe they can all make ties with russia do you think the association agreement that was again the sort of the beginning point for his father for this do you think it provides enough for for ukraine to carry on i think association agreement is not enough i think that also the business or changes within ukraine. i think concerning how economies the legislation and so on and so on the lot of. those are the proposals by the european and world to change their real problem internally in the ukrainian is that this issue making of the subject of

a lot of differences not only between west indies to be here in this context also a bridge this thread she that can be regulated on. it's a question of political management. green has to learn to be independent because we have been for a very long time those are some of them but isn't that a little bit cruel i'm in ukraine was it had there's some sort of a symbiotic relationship with russia that relationship was caught very dramatically on the pretext that you know ukraine should aspire to broader western values and now people in the west are telling your crane come on you are on your own we support you but you're really on your own despite the fact that it has a very difficult situation not only with russia but also with other neighbors because it doesn't want to be part of the customs union of its complicates its trade with other countries of the former soviet union is that's really fear is that a fair position my idea that this is

a program of such tremendous changes of the two leaves us over them from one third to the other does that mean that the united will to handle you things on your own movie i think here you need steps and bitter experiences even if you see the real me if occasion of those germany is still a consequence is in difficulties internally we've not yet done and even consider you're going to see even more important because here the cuts. even more important also concerning those who say if we go and it's easy to asian but not only on this i think you can see crimea ok not taken by the russians but to do so so a program for the russians of course a lot of money although it costs a lot of money by that i think that i know that you believe that crimea is now the finished this year and i actually believe at the agree with you on that i think there will come a time when russia will make an accommodation to ukraine on the issue of crimea not

necessarily changing the borders but i'm pretty sure that russia will. at some point of time make sure that ukrainian still very welcome in crimea this is the only way for russia to patch its difficulties busier really right now you mentioned the energy issue and this is very interesting because three years ago we heard that about the unified western position on ukraine but now it's not even clear what the west really means take for example the second no stream pipeline we have the americans who are strongly against it to be have the germans and the austrians cost for it. do they even have the ukrainian interest any one of them do they have the ukrainian interest in mind because there seems to be. that each country is pursuing that own it cannot be too free and defend the austrians or what we did to use those obtained his concern exam pipelines that we are able to send in achieve your visions or look as he would back to karim here we did it but we are playing

a minor role of this thing the whole situation is you may remember strange as. the real background is i think we need a certain way of regulation in the relations between russia on the one side and the european union on the other side i think the energy program you have to see in the global context even. i think that not enough talks on both sides insist that but when you specifically consider the issue of gas transit on the one hand ukraine needs much need needs that kind of income from gas transit on the other hand you don't want to. be worrying about the supply of gas every winter could you seeing and how do you think that decision should be made whether or not that project should be given a green light if you put your crane at the center of all of this i think it will be done only by the okra in the think would be the general enjoyment of the riches who

obviously extremely difficult because although you're into. meme's looking for example to the minsk agreement doesn't have to be a liberal career because it's not really fulfilled the old come patients this is a very good example because i think it's even merchant that the energy question because here we need peace to such a number of wake him still existing i think here we need another behavior concerning negotiations are. really fulfilled. and i think the talks should be open and straight to the subject while i merican seem to be playing a very active role and there seems to be some progress as far as mr. they the american representative on your crane is concerned he's proposing he's trying to. deal on the un peacekeeping force and i think russia would generally be in favor of that but the problem is guy is again why that the ukrainian side will be.

able to call parade because politically its options are very limited for villa some publishers internally and i think he. is to say on the side of the european union we have to have more talks resume cranium concerning foreign film and also different positions with the new korinos are subject to good no let your brother with the no korinos for market ratio who may say here the positions are quite different as to the east and sometimes see these are more not the principal position but that some pretty to petition some but to lose. respect because they have promised scenes which are not very realistic and so on and so there's too much politics in a bad day on this is story now i think it's indisputable that what's your craniums wanted during the might i'm proudest of was the change of from ation the change of

economic and the governing model and i think it would be fair to say that so far they only got the change of leadership as they the governing model has not yet fully being transformed by the. i know there are lots of people in russia who with eagerly blame for that but if we are really fair it is a major problem for all pos communist societies it's extremely difficult to. grow your institutions i know that you have a special expertise in that area do we understand at this point of time what it takes to move from post authoritarian post communist societies into a stronger democratic ones it is a learning process and you lead the efforts i think that you are willing to learn in tears the difficulty by acting politicians and by political that the just and so on and so on because a lot of countries are using the difficulties for their own purposes internally and so on and so on i think some parties have the living out of the issue and the

raising some pressure and i think if when they bring come through as you say oh it's not as good as a bad kid the couple had to grind for and hungary it's not helpful i think so i think we have to put. the questions and the real leave because to move for shrewd tremendous changes will be no crime this is headed to develop multiple crissy but i want to be fair the needs a lot of time and experience at the needs a lot of training so very much looking always to education there are some other examples in eastern europe many in the western europe on how what concerned about i mean hot hungry i mean poland those countries are sometimes accused of being increasingly authoritarian do you see that in the same lie that they're sort of going back in history of returning to that most authoritarian instincts or is it just a normal learning curve sometimes you go for it sometimes or for lapse is that part

of growing that democratic muscle or is that already something to be a war of about i think you want to be but quite outspoken is his judgment to riches have been a million hungary the poland and so on it is a pure numbers. yes i think it's mixed up with history. in one point victor lebanese totally right i think communism in hungary was not really. changed there was no learning curve from space but we got of this as the switched from communistic state to to more courtesy immediately i think even if those who were not as the new government which was an old communist government then i got to put down their pocketbooks and the program was finished it's not yet finished i think you need some time to consume and to get societies by political declarations and i think there are lots of studies these days communist societies and you see a very significant change on many social issues like the algae bt migration

abortion and many similar issues there is a divide between in western europe and eastern europe and up until recently i think the position of the western europe has been that you guys have to play by you know you have to be like us you have to accept our values. that's pretty much it don't you think that's what we are seeing in poland in hungary maybe even in russia is sort of a push back against these kind of. morally and moralistic supremacy you know you are totally right i think sister is a jew which was done you have to change for monday to the others are pure nonsense they need some time of you need a specific kind of dialogue i would even say empathy to have a number standing which is partly missing i'm very keen on the subject for better long time and i'm preaching it in my own country and also in western european countries that they need another perception of consuming history and consequences

out of this. for sure it is a learning process which maybe making it difficult is it sometimes without any doubt about. i think there's also necessary patience i missing for example even by many own country or by the government of my country a certain kind of dialogue i think we had better times after the downfall of the neighboring countries as we have now a days because i think we had the league so that we know everything wrong. this is so wrong i think you have to understand why the doing so and stop that these cuts knows a subject. might be some mistakes. and so on but there was a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time and our viewers please share your comments now at twitter facebook page and i hope to see you again

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doing it behind his record is the same strategy we attack persons instead of talking about what's next you'll ban me from getting this close to the white house i'm with a group code pink why not ban the color pink one hour stretch i should be sent to the town because i want to try to break me on the wheel i have put up with a long time with this sort of nonsense you don't scare me and i'll continue to voice my opinion i'll continue to speak out in good company i'm in good company you're going to be you want to do this because we are freezing cold. it's the cradle of jazz. this jazz feel. russia.

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