to change the world coming up in nine hundred seventy eight was that the people in to be in history fundamentally changed the course of world history but there are those that say that it was a coup d'etat that the bolsheviks didn't represent the people it represented even to bury. your ideology. what happened there was a popular revolution the bolsheviks came to power. on a wave of revolution is what russia revolutionary movement or a bolshevik revolution removed what were. revolutionary. majority when they seize power but they were very strong minority and they actually had a majority or in the a majority in in the open air was so the point is you know the it wasn't just the. insurrection and russia there was a revolution and the bolsheviks were the beneficiary of it and the part this revolution rocks but it was too you know not to just bring to power a particular group of people it was all real much in the future you know trying to

find a completely different but that but the people paid a very high price for that view of the world mark i can see your position quite clear you know there are no same question very very very nuanced so i don't not consider myself a communist maybe a post let us write my wife is a card that had to learn and it's. not of course marks as opposed. i want to speak perhaps is. the international relations level what the soviet union meant to the world it meant the end of western colonialism and imperialism without the soviet union the ability of the third world to achieve independence certainly within the time frame it did it simply wouldn't have been work you could make the same argument to the end of the first world war saw the end of the western empires the russian. said the seeds of it eventually did decades later we just had the collapse of the russian empire one cannot say that that was

necessarily part of the same process that when they were in the eighty's nelson mandela who was supported by the soviet union and himself was a communist of sorts was still opposed by western governments the united states the united kingdom up until he succeeded and then suddenly he's become you know the hero rather that's the whole point that's the whole and that is the biggest outcome of that political transformation you can use revolution you can use whatever you choose but the fact of the matter is the major role in the twentieth century itself but on the wall and in general and the mood you're controlling speech control in speech. the man you know finding spice not of courage with the more than west with the night and in the dark room that most of us three why it's about the third one touch that and said it's like a rope so if you ask me about the russian revolution was really and sort of people

that dramatic for a living standards for the majority of huge majority of the population will say yes and in the living so it's like an elephant you very kind of but when we were more than one revolution that year ok they were differing simultaneously why did they win was it just violence not to. look for a group that's firstly to have popular support or secondly. because of let me let me say the revolutionary events took place the popularity you often have to remember about the course is that when they seize power in russia they don't see themselves as just being involved in a rush revolution they see their actions the broader world revolution they see the russian revolution see leading to a global revolution so from the bullshit point of view. the whole future of humanity was extatic in their actions in russia so mark what role because you are all saying this is very idealistic it was very painful it was very very costly but we ended up with. just that was the civil war and the foreign intervention that

followed that's what went wrong and that's why and see and that's the context in which the revolution begins to degenerate in which bolshevism which was a kind of popular revolutionary movement begins to take all these kind of bureaucratic forward repressive features which becoming bedded in the soviet union so extended it became betting that it is this is a civil war it's a very important road to supply foreign intervention by western capitalist types trying to strangle i want to talk and to the causes of the bolshevik success just a little bit i agree completely with what jeffrey said especially the. anti-war party aspect the bolsheviks when the grand scheme in the provisional government save power after the february right aleutian that preceded the bolshevik revolution they wanted to continue the war this war that many russians russia had already suffered some six million casualties at that point the country was suffering from famine they were exhausted they couldn't understand why they were fighting what they saw as an imperialist war between

a paralysed european powers they wanted out another thing the bolsheviks were incredibly disciplined as a party they understood power they knew how to take control of railroad stations telegraph stations they understood the nodes of power in communication to make society work and how to end their foes they were at. opposed to each other as well and they had to send a sense of unity with the third thing i would say is they had the support of the military and this was crucial particularly the navy. defections from the military at this point where thirty four thousand a month and they were flocking to the bolsheviks because the bolsheviks were promising the end of the war and they supported the bolsheviks all through the february revolution up until the culmination with the october revolution and without that crucial military support i'm not talking officers i'm talking the rank and file soldiers particularly in the navy the kronstadt sailors the aurora and so

on they were crucial to to being able to take power on the streets and whole government building. is the ideology is violence and bedded in the ideology or is just a political tool to make. to maintain power because he you know i think they're completely in transit there's an idealistic movement a lot of things that you know that we heard in the one thousand century in the socialist labor movement here but once it comes to pass when you come to power you don't want to let it go and you have to you know for the good of the people or the good of the party or the good of the ideology and i think that's also a look at the civil war but once once they had a foothold they would do anything it took to keep it well i would say the violence is akin to all ready to go i go it just and call doing no liberalism or there really was a great great great and the mechanism of repression is very simple with radical

ideologies we are right on the foot step towards helping us for the whole world and who is preventing us from claiming that just to meet and that was the attitude of the bolsheviks from the very beginning you know i think it's a very important question why the bolsheviks came to power two reasons first the fabric evolution you don't know in russia we don't. separate these two things we're talking about the van revolution not about and we're going to come right we're going to talk about that i think it's right because without february there will be no work at all but what happened in february was there a bunch of liberal revolutionaries came to power and revealed themselves absolutely i'm fit to govern we have very similar people know what was important they were very good at propaganda western supported propaganda against that sort of happiness yet ninety percent of the russian population in fabry one hundred seventeen were convinced that transport and slept with the empress that she was a german agent that she was a traitor all this norm some. prefer to do the big things that the revolution the

good point mindfreak you have said was much more important because if you talk about the economic situation the economic situation in fabric one thousand seven hundred was not to many people of egypt people wanting to know how bad that they have to go to organize what we're after our break we'll continue our discussion of the russian revolution staying with our. thanks to our survival guide if you want to start. with her you should. get. back to. zero zero zero zero zero rethink relations with the rest of seventy years. delivers

a prize for. they call me a useful idiot i mean you called me a useful idiot a useful idiot useful idiots go expressing my opinions on this too since most doing it behind his record is the same strategy we attack persons instead of talking about what's next why stop me from getting this close to the white house i'm with a group code pink why not ban the color pink one hour stretch i should be sent to the town of london because i want to try to break me on the wheel but out with a long time of this sort of nonsense you don't scare me and i'll continue to voice my opinion i'll continue to speak out in good company i'm in good company you're going to be you want to do this because we're freezing cold.

ok david go ahead and finish up people so the first reason why water is king was the inability of liberals to govern after every nineteen seventeen and the second reason was that when the civil war really broke out more store that saudis generals russian patriots they took the side of the reds this is something that is not often mentioned but there was this sort of the protection of the state the people because it certainly could not be an ideology i think i can give you a very good personal example. the famous general who defeated the austrians in the

first world war when the army officers asked him would show we do you know there was a civil war going on he said going to come and go all russia states serve the government that would help the reds because there otherwise the years where there were numerous from abroad they are not able to go and they want to return for themselves to eat alternately well he had done it years old an age of death for twenty years in one thousand twenty six haven't written a book which was written by a patriot and a morning kissed but in which he praised cruelty ok well i don't want to going to translate ok jeffrey i want to ask you something because i think this is what something what are your theories i live here and you know this is the hundredth anniversary. not much excitement i don't hear a lot of conversation certainly academics and pundits and commentators on the whole it's not a big deal there's a lot of ambivalence. after this probably more discussion going on in iraq.

about the revolution the time you might imagine. russian public opinion is divided about the revolutions that you know some people the population picks on know fifty six percent ok and the other part of it's forty four percent very hot i don't want to know what to google i mean i wouldn't describe then if i don't know you as a russian how do you feel about it because they have serving studied it i have to say have extreme them villains too and i think that's the word the problem is that the. more passions in the west than in russia i know that is why that's what i know that inspections are completely misguided. compared to the tsar and said that he doesn't want to celebrate this because he is afraid of sharing the fate of nicholas . this is to. use more fake news. is that right now the west reminds me of the times of the third international the idea that

we can't have the broke up that is only in the united states and the you would have to spread it all with a wall or we would be smashed that's a completely bolshevist idea great the destruction of moral immense. looking at history of these viewpoint and saying that these goebbels a slave was a racist it's the same thing what we should be one thing we're going to. go into any city and town in this country you're still probably going to find a statue of lenin they're still there you know more about it's nice what. history we already heard that was the civil war was the imbedded in the ideology but to tell a tarion strain that culminated in stone because the great argument is we've already heard about trotsky in the could've been different variants different paths i'm not convinced of that i think it's a very totalitarian ideology. i'm not a big fan of the word totalitarian i think that itself is the ideology that was

there was created in the west in the wake of the world. war through to try to equate fascism and communism which i believe is a false and i think the rodent's. i think. we have to remember that the soviet union was was born not only in internal struggle but it was from the moment of its creation it was attacked by drama calendar season under siege it wasn't this is left out of a lot of western history books that in one thousand nine hundred eighteen the western powers and japan. most european countries the united states they invaded the nost and soviet union in the middle of the civil war to try to strangle the lead in the cradle integrated and i mean we're talking one little incident that you know just in the past few years been recognized by the british press the guardian

and others churchill was a military commander of the british expeditionary force he used chemical weapons on russian pounds and that attack from outside helped solidify the support of the russian people with the threats with the reds the bolsheviks and help there was a siege mentality there was a paranoia that there in the soviet union but with good reason but perhaps like a question we posed a recent challenge. there were purges they were heard you know people. do you know that the wisdom of nine hundred seventy eight is not the same as the post them . printed because of the civil war and because of the the seeds of the sea this is the historical argument you know is it still forward terrine is the one totalitarianism of posters and hair and it's all ideology. it's personalities or as a result of peace or cold circumstances. my view is that it's shaped by that the circumstances the guy but you have a question about about some power. for the next he was never just

a father for her own sake it was about. all that some power in the pursuit of utopia and it's really important to understand you know the radical utopian of both revolution to solve the approaches in retrospect would you say that was a dangerous goal to have utopia. i think that that's one of. the negatives that is what lessons are. you know idealism is not practical politics revolutions do develop that you did to their children you know so you have to be careful what you wish will but that's not to say. it is themselves you know the idea that it was anything inherently wrong with it one interesting things about the western coverage of the of the entrepreneur story the predominant theme is ok year there were all these negative consequences arising from the russian revolution. but

actually i don't think the ideas of the revolution yes that inspired the revolution remind relevant for to can irrelevant to you know so-called neo liberal capitalism is experiencing such a crisis and there is a need to try and imagine alternatives imagine different futures to. different things and you know the rush from pollution and the you know the soul to experience as a whole as let's put it both neck and that probably explains why russians are very very adverse to revolutions in real magic political change in what i was like about numbers of people today in today in russia fifty six percent of people regret the passing of the soviet union but only twelve percent would like to see it restored as it wants. in eastern europe and central eastern europe a part. a recent poll by the european bank of reconstruction and development says that over half some fifty four percent of people would like to see the return of a command economy we've seen repeated calls and romania and hungary to say their lives were better off under the soviet system in the united states millennium goals

millennialists a majority of them some fifty one percent would prefer to leave any socialist or communist country when as this is you go and of the total us population thirty four percent would live rather live you know where he would reminds me of when i was a graduate school of berkeley and i was going back and forth between communist poland in berkeley and i read told people in poland that there are more communists in berkeley than the fall of poland here. they should they should if we could send them back and let them live in albania and united. they don't know what they're talking well i think that you asked a very important question was violence like innate in and i thought well i would say that any utopia and you're great if you. can spawn while you look at pol pot i don't know is that you probably don't only poor poor there you could have something like like encouraging feminism in afghanistan that's

an exploding idea which has been realized or the right to realize it for twenty years their idea already could be change in ukraine making it and email russia destroying all of the communist party in ukraine that's what i'm hearing saying you're. having absolutes and extremism you need violence to make it absolutely get them in a way in a way you know any change any dress we can agree that their russian revolution toward the west in the past more than it took the soviet russia so the west avoided the alcohol and mistakes but there are a few things. the russians for doing. and we have a lot like immunized from from these wrong ideas from the beginning for example let me give an example and the idea that a right could be made better was by his origin you know in the soviet union writers are divided into proletarian ones and bush robots so now when russians hear about

women's writing a writing immediately it will have a very skeptical waited and we see be a good writer to be a woman big good writer who happens to be believe god forbid the world could learn something from considering the environment or social there are certain bits of human immunization that we got from the history of. they all. say yes. yes to all this is on the. cut.

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