on the show. most often this will be a prominent and the sure like a chance to be in the midst of their westminster chaos and confusion but this determined lady said no i'm of course referring to but of us who leave the kennedy q.c. welcome home let's see you state your case. half of the population in this country is female and so we should be proactively pursuing changes in the institutions which govern this country that means we have to change parliament and we have to equal numbers of men and women in there all parties should be required to have all women shortlists as seats become available and we should start this between now and the next election to kick start this change the aim should be to have at least half of parliament female there should also be proportional representation so that smaller parties like the women's equality party can have its representation there half of the cabinet should be women and the same should be so for select committees

whips should lose their jobs if they are guilty of bullying and this should be no revolving door for people leaving office going straight into the private sector and making money out of their connections with the ministry they were in we should also be pursuing votes for sixteen year olds they know what equality looks like and they would make sure it happened and that my case. let's clear up this business about how you told me doug i knew i did. say no but i had been offered another job and it was it was a job where i really felt i couldn't let people die and i'd agree to take on a college at oxford a lot of just oxbridge oh no it was a special place because i had very high percentage of the of the young people who they're from state schools and that goes up to ninety percent now and so it was really about one thing to go sort of work with this call age on special wall as it was in a case given that noble cause it was

a noble cause let's turn to it to your case well listen we've we've just had this big problem about women saying the whole culture of parliament is just the meal and the women in it just feel that they're marginalised or they feel that they're harassed or not taken seriously and they really do feel that this is this is the place that can set the tone for the whole of the nation and we're committed to the idea of equality and we talk about it and talk up a storm but actually we don't deliver it and you have to do that by changing the institutions at the center of of our universe so we have to reform parliament and parliament is the place where policy is made is where law is made and if you want to change the lives of men and women and sort of renegotiate how that has been then you have to start with parliament by student like you know having a gender bow and so the select committee is going to change how men behave so i think it does because what happens is it changes the discourse it changes the nature of the debate because you've got as many women as men talking about the

subject and it's this business which i feel rather unhappy about which is you know we make a minister of women and she's supposed to kind of deal with all the women's issues that cover the whole of the of the terrain you know from defense through to foreign affairs through to domestic policy through or a whole range of things so you give it to why. the girl rather than having women and women's issues and women's perspectives right at the heart of policy making and law making votes sixteen i mean obviously something i introduced when i was first person you were right and i when you told it would you go it speaking to kids at school when we must look at politics or scans on the snow and do you think this involvement was going to assist the process of people seeing politics as a and all of them professional i think that if young people don't get into the habit of doing it when they're young and when they're still the still at school and they're learning about politics and they're lending about why voting matters if you

don't catch that soon after that then basically people don't get round to doing it finally you think your case has a chance of being realized every one of these scandals in itself everybody thinks is this the tipping point is all going to change ny and i'm afraid i'm no good enough to i would say that doesn't work that way but what every one of them is a step forward and i think this is all in the right direction but this bold and he's pushing up the hill a bit faster and so i'd like us to make the institutional changes i've been checking the house a low obstruct quiet rules and i find although i am not able to give you the us i can present you one for quick so how lovely i love my luck but scottish quake that's wonderful thank you i've grown the candy thank you so much for so many everything else. last week the first minister the skull nickel star jewel issued a landmark public apology and pardon to all men who have suffered injustice on the

laws criminalizing gay sex with scotland no paving the way for reform in this major human rights issue does mean ahmed shafik looks at a nation's journey to more equal society in recent years starting to stick in the lead to protecting rights for people who identify as. in two thousand and fourteen it became the seventeenth country in the world to legalize same sex marriage. and the mileage and some of partnership scotland bill is passed thanks both in two thousand and fifteen and sixteen scotland was internationally recognized as the best country in europe l g b t equality and human rights a private member's bill put forward by former s.n.p. m.p. john ical soon in the u.k. parliament sought to pardon men convicted of historical steam six sexual offenses unfortunately it was effectively talked out filibustered emotions ran high in calls of she was doing it the minister that a pardon for the living takes place fatally r.t.

due process to complete i know it was last week scotland again took the lead and apologized for these injustices today as first minister i categorically unequivocally and wholeheartedly apologize for those laws and for the heart and the harm that they caused to me and thank you spoke to a member of parliament crispin blunt it is an important statement about today things that were perceived as crimes by society that. we not fully understand that they should never be in crimes in the first place that is the gay couple fitting in the gallery who were visibly relieved the sort of clearly they had had such an impact on their lives do you think these officials may hope we have a positive impact on people's views on how to deal with their quality right through or should do of course was every gay person has in common is the coming out

experience is an understanding who they are i didn't come out until i was fifty and did a minister and as a minister in the government. i know how much that freedom the ability to be true to myself means to me that's the same i think for. every gay person is the ability to be able to be peace with yourself and be yourself. is huge and there is a lesson in the british experience where we've gone from full criminalization enforced by the police with over a thousand men in prison in the one nine hundred fifty s. for consensual same sex relationships to a position today where society is apologizing that we have same sex marriage on the statute books where we're taking the trouble to pardon everyone who was convicted of these offenses in the past i mean just me pointing out to our friends in russia that they represent some of the russian parliament areas just as many. gay people

as i do oppose the proportion of the population and they have rights to be protected in the ways recently and probably to have to be thought in a global right there listen to the o.g.t.t. communities given what happened particularly in egypt and in chechnya. and elsewhere that was appropriate to have a debate to remind people of exactly what is going on in the rest of the world and it's utterly outrageous to discriminate against someone on the basis of a characteristic they don't choose it's like it's the same as racism in the roof you discriminating on someone on that because of the color of their skin that's not accepted globally is completely unacceptable while the same goes to say i was. just being a i'm a member of twenty fourth when the scots parliament passed equal moderates legislation what a proud moment that was but listening to crispin blunt he's saying there's more to be done both domestically and internationally i mean there's no a day that the campaign for equality has to continue and has to continue at the

rates and pace of change that people want and i think what we've seen chris been saying is that problem has an important role to play all the see all parliaments across the united kingdom and ensuring that legislation keeps up to date with people's demands rightful demands for teens thank you to subpoena. coming up after the break something very special an interview with cottle this colus pushable on the elected president. has passed no. but it's also democratic dynamite. scene years ago i traveled across the united states exploring america's deadly love affair with a gun if a bad guy tried to get to one of my family members he would have better

a lot better and i think they are and hurting one of my my babies says my book was published in the year two thousand more than half a million americans have been killed by phones in the us i thought to me as i did this this is a middle school we go through drills and we put ourselves in real scenarios it was interesting to see who actually got hit. and i just saw i did to return to the subject to track down each gun owner who i'd met and photographed those years ago i don't know this but we are not. i would see him we don't have any protection for whistleblowers at all if you do have. the public sector as well as in the private sector that information would have to be can be made public and that actually puts pressure on

the parliament to become more on this. and. that business in favor off the public. if. not. john manning seems almost danced on things long journey and injury long journey to one thing and a song in the record it into songs only the resistance can manage and only once in

long cause i don't dance around the real with that song as a solicitor so the answer was to certainly. with. me it's something about me and my future i was engaged it to build a new site you started your career as a journalist just before you moved into politics what provoked you to move from

journalism to accounting and events to actually making amends while you are journalists know the west you come from politics to join with either one of the other direction while. a journalist in fact a member of the college of channels of catalonia. my point of deals in your high government spain to agree to an agreed democratic vote in a referendum in the same way as i persuaded david cameron in scotland than westminster back in two thousand and twelve to have an agreed formulation to discuss on the side an issue how many times well obviously mr high is not david cameron and spain is not u.k. directly i tried to. to walford to mr roy directly twice front front of mr roy during two meetings and.

publicly. a lot of times i offer an agreement about the date of this referendum the question question the majority that we need in order to proclaim dependent or not and also well in agreement for a generation in this by the result well they set me in the last time that i proposed likely to survive they said well you really t. i can't and i don't want this is one of the missed most important problem in many state you are has a duty to put solutions on the table and to start discussions about hope we can solve this problem but many people watching will be will be puzzled to hear your account because the traditional view the view of the spanish government the view internationally has been that the balance of opinion in catalonia has been against

independence so if your heart was so confident of that then why didn't you agree to the vote well because probably that is not true because they know perfectly there i'm a huge majority in catalonia a doesn't accept the current situation the mentality of the spanish state and particularly from mr roy is a looks unity for spain like a religion is not a political matter is a spiritual or religion question about faith. so. there is really intellectual incapacity to meet the possibility the real possibility of the spine could be different in the future might it take you to that the that extraordinary day in the first victoria. and tell me what your emotions were that the in the one hand there was the celebration of the whole millions of

your fellow country people coming out to exercise a vote for self-determination on the other hand was the the violence that we all saw on our television screens from the state police or what will the conflicting emotions that you felt as president of catalonia when that famous day well there was a day of the victory of catalonia against the. prosecution of the spanish estate and the other hand of course there was a day of the extremely violent i couldn't imagine the the direction like that from the democratic state european union for me it was imaginable it was not possible in my mind. we are prepared to confront some condition of this isn't in order to discuss in the constitutional court

about our the siege and but not the use by alliance because the people were very peaceful all this process going from the beginning of the process was extremely peaceful movement and we show although our commitment to peace. and democracy and the answer come from spain your state for me was our first sign our. that the things could be. spent could use the violence the repression in order to stop a democratic revolution it was a tragic day today because i see directly the violence in my face school in my hometown there are a lot of injuries oh of injuries is deeply ingrained your argument would be in the pursuit of independence for catalonia but there must be

a peaceful process at all costs we don't want to be founded by using the violence. is that the only possibility to be independent is through the democracy in the majority of catalan people want to be independent of course country will mean the pendant is not only my commitment personal commitment but the catalan society don people are deeply committed to to use only the way of them across and to not jump in the provocation of the spanish state in order to transform the cattle on the streets in like warfield. we must to resist these provocations and then an overwhelming victory for independence but the brave new republic really only lasted a weekend how did you feel that the when you declared a catalan republic. of course was not for us it was

a very serious moment very important moment and very story call moment for it was not a party. was a. moment for our generation for our lives for a biographies for our for our commitment as a politicians it was a day of. because in this day we make possible all that we said before by the start of the next week the spanish judicial system or rolled into action and took away the constitutional prize that catalonia had gained well this mistake in fact start a new era in the end of his era that will start a catalan rapidly because of independence can prevail at the catalan elections in december that it too i'm confident in the big three but i

want to trust spanish state spain state under also the european authorities if they will accept. result like this if the independent mormons or process. are the majority thing the next catalan parliament is the spanish state ready to accept so this is a direct challenge to sr the whole you're challenging him given that he's called the selection well he had to sing of course to start talks and negotiations mr president you've challenge the senior avoid to accept the result of the december elections you challenge the european union to respect democracy in catalonia you've said the united nations can see advantages in the success of a peaceful movement of a country what is your message to the people of catalonia we must to be confident

resilient because we will win. we will succeed finally democracy will prevail mr president thank you so much you're welcome. strong stuff from karl as bush among let me be clear about two points one the security of spain would like a right of reply then this chair is absolutely available to him for next week's show and two unless maybe a surprise to many watching i have never called for catalan independence not because i'm not sympathetic on the say on but scotland is not catalonia and catalonia is not scotland it is for the people of catalonia to decide their own future wrote least it should be what i've called for is the right of the people to decide freely and fairly they should be able to vote for or against independence but vote state police baton raining down on the heads of folk old age pensioners being beaten up for women being dragged down stairs vote rubber bullets were thugs

and police uniforms seizing ballot boxes before the courts being used for political purposes and the folk democratic politicians being locked up for being well democratic politicians the response of the powers that are in europe has been pathetic state convenience takes priority over democracy but a dangerous precedent that creates an equally what a lesson that would be if a movement for peaceful democratic progress could be successful if the people can deliver change through votes and ballots not bombs and bullets democracy will prevail says catalonia as president let's hope he's right from tells me that and i until the next day good bye for now.

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