seats become available and we should start this between now and the next can have its representation that it was in a case given that noble cause it was an overall call let's turn to it to your case and listen where we've just had this big problem about women saying the whole culture of parliament is just the meal and the women in it just feel that they're marginalised or they feel that they're harassed or not taken seriously and they really do feel that this is this is the place that can set the tone for the whole of the nation and we're committed to the idea of equality and we talk about it and talk up a storm but actually we don't deliver it and you have to do that by changing the institutions at the center of of our universe so we have to reform parliament and parliament is the place where policy is made is where law is made and if you want to change the lives of men and women and sort of renegotiate how that has been then you have to start with parliament advice to sort of like you know having a gender bias and so the select committee is actually going to change how men

behave. but it does because what happens is it changes the discourse it changes the nature of the debate because you've got as many women as men talking about the subject and it's this business which i feel unhappy about which is you know we make a minister of women and she's supposed to kind of deal with all the women's issues that cover the whole of the of the touring you know from defense through to foreign affairs through to domestic policy through all a whole range of things so you give it to one of the girl rather than having women and women's issues and women's perspectives right at the heart of policy making and law making votes sixteen women overseas something i introduced when i was first person you were right and i when you told it would you go it speaking to the kids at school in the must look at politics or sky and so must know and do you think this involvement was going to assist the process of people seeing politics as a a. professional i think that if young people don't get into the habit of doing it

when they're young and when they're still the still at school and they're learning about politics and they're lending about why voting matters if you look touch that soon after that then basically people don't get round to doing it but finally you think your case has a chance of being real and every one of these scandals in itself everybody thinks is this the tipping point is all going to change and i and i'm afraid i'm no good enough to want to say that doesn't work that way but what every one of them is a step forward and i think this is all in the right direction but this bold and he's pushing up the hill a bit faster and so i'd like us to make the institutional changes i've been checking the house of lords requirements rules and i find although i'm not able to give you the most i can present you. how lovely a lot like a lot but scottish quake that's wonderful thank you i've grown to kelli thank you so much for. everything. last week the first minister to scotland because stardoll

issued a landmark public apology and pardon to all men who have suffered in justice under the laws criminalizing gay sex with scotland no paving the way for reform in this major human rights issue does mean i would shake looks at a nation's journey to a more equal society in recent years starting to stick in the lead in protecting rights for people who identify as. in two thousand and fourteen it became the seventeenth country in the world to legalize same sex marriage and the mileage and some of the partnership scotland bill has passed thanks both in two thousand and fifteen and sixteen scotland was internationally recognised as a best country in europe l g b t equality and human rights a private member's bill put forward by former s.n.p. m.p. jar nicholson in the u.k. parliament sought to pardon men convicted of historical steam six sexual offenses unfortunately it was effectively talked out. filibuster and emotions run high in

polls if she were to win at the minister that a pardon for the live in takes place fatally are to do princes to complete it was last week scotland again took the lead and apologized for these injustices today as first minister i categorically unequivocally and wholeheartedly apologize for those laws and for the heart and the harm that they caused to me and thank you i spoke to a member of parliament crispin blunt it is an important statement about today things that was perceived as crimes by society that. we not fully understand that they should never be in crimes in the first place that they get a couple sitting in the gallery who were visibly relieved the three of clearly had had such an impact on their lives do you think these officials may hope we have a positive impact on people's views on how to deal with their quality right through

or should do of course was every gay person has in common is the coming out experience is an understanding who they are i didn't come out until i was fifty and did a minister of the as a minister in the government and i know how much that freedom and the ability to be true to myself means to me that's the same i think for. every gay person is the ability to be able to be at peace with yourself and they can be yourself is huge and there is a lesson in the british experience where we've gone from four criminalization enforced by the police with over a thousand men in prison in the one nine hundred fifty s. for consensual same sex relationships to a position today where society is apologizing that we have same sex marriage on the statute books where we're taking the trouble to pardon everyone who was convicted of these offenses in the past or. me pointing out to our friends in russia that

they represent some of the russian parliament areas just as many. gay people as i do oppose the proportion of the population and they have rights to be protected in the ways recently and probably to have to be taught in a global right to reach into the o.g.t.t. communities given what had happened particularly in egypt and in chechnya. and elsewhere that was appropriate to have a debate to remind people of exactly what is going on in the rest of the world and it's awfully outrageous to discriminate against someone on the basis of a characteristic that they don't choose just like it's the same as racism if you discriminate and someone on that because of the color of their skin that's not accepting globally is completely unacceptable while the same case of sexuality. does prima i'm a member of twenty fourth when the scots parliament passed equal moderates legislation what a proud moment that was but listening to crispin blunt he's saying there's more to

be done both domestically and internationally i mean there's no a day that the campaign for equality has to continue and has to continue at the rates and pace of change that people want and i think what we've seen chris been saying is that problem has an important role to play in all the see all parliaments across the united kingdom and ensuring that legislation keeps up to date with people's demands rightful demands for change thank you to subpoena coming up after the break something very special an interview with catalyst carlist pushable an elected president publicly in exile has passed will is in there and there's also democratic dynamite.

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welcome back catalan president karla's bush a modest commonly an excellent belgium following his parliament's recent unilateral declaration of independence he is accused of rebellion sedition under betterment criminal charges which could lead to him being imprisoned for up to thirty years today on this show it tuns the tables of his accusers and sets dramatic challenges

for spain for europe and for the sector general of the united nations speaking confidently in english his fourth language this is what he has to say present. in the space opera a few weeks to become one of the most famous politicians on the planet but i want to start with explaining the the man the past now the behind the public face so willing to grow up in catalonia when did you come to believe that catalonia should be an independent country when her i was wearing during the frank. dictatorship. till twelve or thirteen years or so my first school was during the service era when for example my own language catalan was previewed it after the frankest there there was a very huge movement democracy movement i feel that's than the

the world that the started a good moment. it it's calling me it's something about me my future i was in gauge it to build a new society you started your career as a journalist yes before you moved into politics what provoked you to move from journalism to accounting and events to actually making a vents while you are journalist know us to come from politics to join with either one of the other direction ok well. i was and feel a journalist still a journalist in fact a member of the college of channels of catalonia. my point of view it's also still the one of the journalist point of the of is not a police action only i think that helped me to be to make politics in our era our eras or of the communications is no almost two years since you became

president of catalonia i know when i was first minister scott was the most enormous on our bonce ability but over that period how many times have you tried to get senior high government spain to agree to agree democratic vote in a referendum in the same way as i persuaded david cameron in scotland than westminster back in two thousand and twelve to have an agreed formulation to discuss and decide the mission how many times well obviously mr high is not david cameron and spain is not u.k. directly i tried to walford to mr roy directly twice front front of mr roy during two meetings and. publicly. a lot of times i offer an agreement

about the date of this referendum the question question the majority that we need in order to proclaim independence or not and also well in agreement for a generation in this by the results well they set me in the last time that i proposed likely to survive they said well you really t. i can't and i don't have seen your heart was so confident of that then why didn't he agree to the vote well because probably that is not true because they know perfectly there i'm a huge majority in catalonia that doesn't accept the current situation the mentality of the spanish state and particularly from mr roy ism looks unity of a spine like a religion is not a political matter is

a spiritual or religion question about faith so. there is really the intellectual capacity to meet the possibility the real possibility to spank could be different in the future. let me take you to that the that extraordinary day in the first victoria. and tell me what your emotions were that in the one hand there was the celebration of. millions of your fellow country people coming out to exercise a vote for self-determination on the other hand was the the violence that we all saw on our television screens from the state police or what will the conflicting emotions that you felt as president of catalonia on that famous day well there was a day of the victory of catalonia against the. prosecution of the spanish estate and the other hand of course there was

a day of the extremely violent i couldn't imagine the the direction like that from the democratic state european union for me it was imaginable it was not possible in my mind. we are prepared to to confront some. of this isn't in order to discuss in the constitutional court about our the seasons but not the youth by lawrence because the people were very peaceful all this process going from the beginning of the process was extremely peaceful movement and we show in face of all the world. our commitment to peace or on democracy and the answer come from spain your state for me was our first sign our. that the things could be.

spent could use the violence the repression in order to stop a democratic revolution it was a tragic day today because i see directly the violence in my face school in my home town there are a lot of injuries oh of injuries is deeply ingrained your argument would be in the pursuit of independence for catalonia but it must be a peaceful process at all costs we don't want to be founded by using the violence. is that the only possibility to be independent is through the democracy is a majority of catalan people want to be independent of course country will be independent and it's not only my commitment personal commitment but the catalan society don people are deeply committed to to use only the way of the mock received to not jump in the provocation of the spanish state in order to transform the

cattle on the streets in the leica warfield. we must to resist is provoke ation and then an overwhelming victory for independence but the brave new republic really only lasted a weekend how did you feel that the when you declared a catalan republic. of course was not for us it was a very serious moment very important moment and very story corps moment for and was not a party. was a. moment for our generation for our lives for a biographies for our for our commitment as a politicians it was a day of. because in this day we make possible all that we said before by the start of the next week the spanish judicial system all rolled into

action and took away the constitutional prize that catalonia had gained well this mistake in fact start a new era in the end of his era that will start a catalan republic because in these conditions is not possible is not possible there is no future for trying to remain in spain in these conditions but mr president you're now in a position where you are in exile with many of your ministers here in brussels and many of your other ministers are in jail in spain how can you be so confident about the outcome given that situation or how do you see the streets of barcelona last week full of people demanding freedom there is not no once the man's freedom for a crime in health we are not criminals are. police an illegal and illegitimate represent an representatives of catalan people and are you confident that the forces of

independence can prevail at the catalan elections in the sample that it's true i'm confident in these big three but i want to trust spanish state spain state under also the european authorities if they will accept. result like this if the independent mormons or process. are the majority thing the next cattle in parliament. is the spanish state ready to accept so this is a direct challenge to senior royal you're challenging him given his cold this election will he accept the result settling in not only for the million also for the european authorities because if the majority of the time people want to be independent this is a real. answer is a reality and we must make politics with the reality

not with the fantasy of course i think the cuttle the spanish government under european authorities would like a cut of one year without in people who want independent but lead and if in the next elections we will we that i propose to mr roy mr juncker mr stanny to accept and to start a new era of dialogue and negotiation about this reality many people have commented on the position in catalonia including the sector journal of the united nations and to any of the towers who has said he wants to see a negotiated settlement where you are encouraged to hear that statement from the sector general and do you think that is a possible route to advance the catalan cause yes of course there is no not

possibly to achieve this process without negotiation. and i propose to talk about these also in the united nations there isn't a particularly to to to to make something helpful for all of us from the united nation from secretary general of nato nations east to provoke to to invite us to start talks and negotiations mr president you've challenge the senior high to accept the result of the december elections you challenge the european union to respect democracy in catalonia you've said that the united nations can see advantages in the success of a peaceful movement but you're a president of a country what is your message to the people of catalonia we must to be confident resilient because we will win. we will succeed

finally democracy will prevail mr president thank you so much you're welcome strong stuff from colors push among let me be clear about two points one the senior high of spain would like a right of reply then this chair is absolutely available to him for next week's show and two and this may be a surprise to many watching i have never called for catalan independence not because i'm not sympathetic on the say on but scotland is not catalonia and catalonia is not scotland it is for the people of catalonia to decide their own future on least it should be. what i've called for is the right of the people to decide freely and fairly they should be able to vote for or against independence but vote state police baton raining down on the heads of folk old age pensioners being beaten up for women being dragged down stairs vote rubber bullets with thugs and police uniforms seizing ballot boxes of the courts being used for political

purposes and the vote democratic politicians being locked up for being well democratic politicians the response of the powers that are in europe has been pathetic state convenience takes priority over democracy what a dangerous precedent that creates and equally what a lesson that would be if a movement for peaceful democratic progress could be successful if the people can deliver change through votes and ballots not bombs and bullets democracy will prevail says catalonia as president let's hope he's right from tells me that and i until the next day good bye for now.

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rush a block so us trough resolution of the u.n. extending a chemical weapons program in syria after accusing the panel of bias. also this hour french unions hold rallies across the country against president michaelmas controversial labor reforms. meantime media outlets funded by the us government are told they may have to register as foreign agents in russia the move mirrors similar requirements imposed on america. as we hear from an activist who was jailed for terrorism off to be released thousands of animals from a far far one have more about this out.