a wide ranging one on one with wrong paul on this edition of. the go to politicking on larry king he's a three time presidential candidate a former longtime congressman from texas and outspoken advocate for limited government and low taxes of physician who's one that when you go to bed with government you must expect the disease it spreads to find out what they what he means by that he's always outspoken ron paul host of the ron paul liberty report he

joins us from lake jackson texas a lot of things to cover today but first your son send them paul eastwood turned to capitol hill after a severing moldable injuries during an attack in his yard what was that all about and how was he doing. he's doing fine i he still aching head i don't know whether he should be back in washington but he's managing oh take a but you know i don't know much more than what i read in the papers i've talked with him back but i think he's a little bit befuddled befuddled as well because he's not quite sure of the motivations and right now he's concentrating on getting better rather than trying to figure out what might have been in this person's mind it does seem awfully strange to everybody who's thought about it that he has no idea why he was attacked . no he really doesn't and. i i sometimes and i shouldn't even get involved in this but sometimes you wonder about the guy's mental status to do this you know it's just an ordinary thing. live next to around for

a long time like seven eighteen years and i don't think he's talked about last town so it's strange and this is not a normal normal thing you know for your neighborhood coming over to your yard and. cause violence it's pretty weird he announced his return to the senate. to help move forward with tax cuts were that was your assessment first they did you think you came back too soon. you know parents yeah parents tend to be more protective you know then others i know. that that was my first thought but i'm not you know next to him i don't see what he's doing but i know he was really in trouble because in phone conversation i was the one that encouraged him to go back and get another x. ray and that's when they found the fluid on the longs so yeah we worry about it and

i think another weeks where i could have heard. of always been one that didn't baby our kids you know i usually were i was usually always encourage him don't don't wear on too long but this is a more serious thing i think it's better we keep moving even when we're not feeling good and in fact rand told me that it was hard to get up because if anybody's had this to them a fractured rib it's hard to roll around or cough and but he said when he could get up one of the best things he could do is walk so this is what i've always told the kids get up and walk and move around and you'll feel better and most of time that's pretty good advice ok where is the house going to go with his tax plan this week and if you were in that august assembly how would you vote. oh well you know it's hard to say to you see the final version the way i look at these in this is the way i would if i were in congress if there's a net reduction in taxes i'd have a hard time not voting for it but if there's

a net increase i don't think i could vote for it and they're going to claim things but my big problem with with it is that they don't know what they're talking about you know they're talking about years out now they don't even know what this year's budget will be like you know their revenues may go down there may be another flood in taxes and there may be another war in europe and nobody saw it all as already this new president had several supplementals and people were all formed because they were you know natural disasters. so that's why i don't i don't think much will be a complication. if i were convinced there was a little less spending a little less taxes net net wise i would vote for it but i am not too certain of what exactly was in that way are you saying you saying run that based on things that happen that you don't expects you can't have a tax plan. are you saying that would mean you no way into heaven. yeah

but the big thing is to from a libertarian viewpoint is we shouldn't be involved in solving every single problem happens to anybody you know if you have a business and you go bankrupt why why is it that the people assume well that was on you know a cunt called for we have to bail him out but if you're big enough that we bail him out and just think of what we did in zero eight zero nine trillions of dollars no it was unexpected the congress were pikers they only they only appropriated you know you know a trillion or so where the fed created fourteen or fifteen billion dollars so i you know a libertarian just can't do the nickel and dime ing it's just there why are we involved and they asked why because it's a moral hazard to say there's insurance and promises if you get into trouble we're going to take care of you government doesn't take care of anybody all they do is they go up and round up some wealth and money in taxes and take it from somebody else but that and that leads to bankruptcy and that's where we are today we have

all that philosophy for too long what do you think of the senate plan is significantly different from the house. bill will include obamacare going out. what's your reaction to that part of yeah ok well the first. is the senate was the first one to mention that where they've talked about it before and the house is now talking about it you know i think that would be good because it just doesn't add up the people who pay you know these funds into medicare to make it work for the people who couldn't afford medical couldn't afford insurance so they're paying this penalty which is which is a tax so if you remove that. option you're actually cutting taxes on poor people but this whole system obamacare push the prices up push people out then they pay the penalty and that was another tax and then if we go to cut it out you know they say well you're going to make it worse we need their money why do we need the money coming. poor people who had no money to buy insurance at the same time just

look at increases their cost of insurance it really isn't working and we have to admit that they're not good they're not good managers are wrong we do have millions more insured that weren't insured before and how can that be bad. well it's not bad some people question that and the other the other thing is why are so many people not why are so many poor people not buying into it because they can't afford it and it's it's just that government management has never proven to be you know all that good i think there's other ways to do it i keep thinking about the liberating healthcare compared to delivering a cell phone just think of what if the government said that well we're going to have cell phones for everybody because it's very important for health and protection and jobs and everybody has to have a cell phone and they decided twenty years ago so they give the contractor one cell

phone company the cost would have gone up they wouldn't have worked and it was it would be a disaster instead when it was put into the marketplace the quality went way up the phones got smarter and smarter and the prices came down and people don't have faith and confidence that a service can be distributed like you can distribute other goods and services and in a free market larry i've said it many times but i practice medicine when there is no medicare or medicaid and i've worked in catholic hospital people were never turned away i was raised in you know at a time where insurance wasn't even you know much of a deal there was no third party payment but prices were down used to be doctors and hospitals always gave you the lowest price but when the third party pays whether it's insurance or government or anybody else the highest price is paid then who sets the rules the insurance companies the drug companies they make these are you

office in the patients suffers are you saying medicare's been a bad thing. well i think it was saying that before medicare nobody was on the streets without medication and technically there is no authority for the government to be distributing medical care where it is come from it's not in article one section eight of the constitution where it tells you exactly what we're allowed to do and you say well maybe we should make an exception ok if you want to make exceptions say government should distribute health care you have to change the constitution because now there is there is no no responsible way to alter the constitution that's why we go to wars without liberation you know i think it would be a good idea to say well yeah if you think we have to go to war to protect our interests which is nothing more than corporate interests in the military industrial complex you want to declare the war no you don't do that the other day the house tried to get a bill passed that said why don't we have a debate on whether we should we have

a you know have the authority go to war and yemen and they would even have it they doctored the bill up and watered it down and made things worse but there shouldn't be we should be fighting and be in close allies with saudi arabia and that tragedy all you have to think about is the tragedy is going on in yemen mainly because we don't obey the constitution so i emphasize the constitution but if you want to come up and say ok ron you're old fashioned we don't like what we do we should amend the constitution and government should be responsible for medical care and all education which they are essentially and there is a disaster it is expensive and look at the educational system kids now well they have to have free education and now there is this one point four trillion dollars of debt it's never going to be paid and the quality of education goes down i don't know how you can make a case for saying that we need more government management and these affairs because it has created the bankruptcy which is going to destroy you know the middle class

matter of fact the middle class is suffering tremendously now and that tax bill is not going to help the middle class. because the system is rigged it's a rigged against the middle class and the poor it's ring for the super wealthy and it's we should be not we should not be careless in order to grab more power to the government to protect these powerful special interests assist some other areas the president's just back from a five nation visit to asia out of the do. you know i did one of my reports on that the other day and i actually hunch that he didn't do too badly you know he he was not is usual campaign style rhetoric on occasion you heard that out and i thought it was half half decent. but but but you know i thought it was you know chipped away at it there was a lot there was nothing the opposition couldn't say anything decent bought it and they they would find little bits of things and said he did say oh he didn't he

didn't lecture the chinese on human rights why don't we lecture our people in our congress and our government on human rights before we go over but the media was critical of trump because he didn't go and try to pick a fight with the chinese telling them how to run their country i don't happen to believe that's a wise thing to do. that is the track to get the philippines and russia attracted to strong government strong bad. must be is personality or something. it's i i don't understand i'm not many people do and i wasn't a supporter for him to vote for but i always hope for the best and always look for the positive because i i think that he honestly believed and even restated on this trip that we should have better relations with russia why do we have to do this even though now since he's been there policies have shifted away from that position

of talking and at least been diplomatic with the russians he's a he's he was you know has drifted over to the neo con position supporting and badgering put on sanctions on all these things they're just trying to precipitate you know a cold war which they are doing so i think him backing off from that was bad and i don't know where he stands because the other day you know like i said he was really saying that what's wrong with getting along. russia and i don't know ending a wrong way that i think is a good idea we'll have more with former congressman ron paul who speaks his mind right after this.

i would see him we don't have any protection for the worst at all if you do have but i. think the public sector as well as in the private sector that information would have to be can be made public and that actually puts pressure on the parliament to become more on this. in favor of the public. back to politics i guess that's wrong paul a former republican u.s. congressman from texas he's founder of the wrong ball institute for peace and prosperity he's joining us from lake jackson texas where do you think the investigations heading. it's the same way it's been heading downhill. i can't imagine what's going on there because i think they are making

a mountain out of a molehill to tell you the truth but i think it's so partisan and yet i say there is too much power bipartisanship in washington when it comes to issues spending and wars and these kind of thing but when it comes to power there is really a bipartisan fight and this is a fight over power and i think trump sets himself up for trouble like this i don't think i don't think russia had very much to do with deciding who got elected last go around and i don't think it's quite fair and balanced i think trump has a point when he talks about how did you know why don't we investigate some of those funds that went into in to the clinton foundation so it's it's more about politics but i think that i don't think that well i think they may end up putting people in jail but i don't think. mazing thing to me is if trump is this strong tough leader why why would his administration make sure they

picked this guy is about as anti trump as you can get and hire everybody who's been in opposition to trump and then trump complains about it but so i get confused on that to tell you the truth what do you make of the republican party today has it changed significantly since you left. philosophically. i think it's changed because the democrats have changed and the country has changed and i think the problem is that we are now bankrupt the debt is unmanageable if interest rates go up it will be a total calamity so they keep keep interest rates very very low in this will keep the economy in the doldrums in spite of wall street doing well there is still the division of the distribution of wealth which i think is the major source of the social friction which it which is going on so the republican party has changed like

the democratic party because they're looking for power but they have absolutely no houses because they are still supporting the prevailing attitude to people generally have supported government to take care of me from cradle to grave take care of all my medical needs take care of mall my educational needs take care of all the bailouts and the rich get to write the rules and they get the bailouts first so but this is coming to an end and i i don't think they want to admit the truth that a country is bankrupt and that we're supposed to cut something that is not ever considered in washington and republicans who pay lip service to that they don't do any better than a democrat and the democrats don't do any better than republicans on the issue of war and civil liberties so it's a mess and it's coming to an end because this is the non-viable system economically it will collapse a foreign policy is not doing doing well and the people aren't going to tolerate this division and disparity in income distribution because that is

a result of the monetary system that we have and a system that takes care of the rejoice poor president takes great credit for the stock markets why don't you pseudonyms. well you know larry you know that's sort of like when obama came in he came in in zero nine and you know things were really really bad and they stayed bad they are still bad and the republicans jumped on him or look at what their economy is like and they're obama obama had nothing to do with the collapse you know a zero nine zero zero three and that was a result of monetary policy and spending in the federal reserve under under the republicans under under bush so no i think trump's making a serious mistake by taking any credit because next month or so you're going to see a calamity drop in a stock market then where is he going to say you know i'm responsible for that can't take credit for something you don't deserve and then try to blame if you're

going to say well i'm responsible for the good times what do you make of the roy moore story in the a bubble. i wish it would go away you know that's what i wished and i think it i think is to me demagogues on both sides and of course i don't think anybody knows the real results on this but i think the republicans are hysterical you know. you know to deal with this subject but do you think is this is just sexual harassment is a serious subject to the in congress i don't think i don't i don't think they're dealing with a i think they're dealing with who get seated and how they're going to vote i mean based on sexual harassment about. well i mean yeah but we're going to solve all the problem in the com here's larry they're all going to take training sexual harassment if we're at this point where the politicians teach the politicians what sexual harassment is we're in big trouble and i think we're going to teach people

about sound economic policy but that's that's what was coming sure a serious libertarian condemns any act of violence or could be nothing worse than the rape and the abuse of another person so it's horrible but that represents an attitude that is not going to be solved by the politicians but yes people in alabama have every right to ask these questions and make their own decisions. i think the demagoguery is out of control and that's why i say i wish to just would go away syria has formally joined the terrorist deal aimed at slowing climate change the united states is the only country in the world in opposition to that fact we had a libertarian stand on climate change well if anybody with property does anything to disturb the climate or or or you know the environment they are one hundred percent reliable one of the reasons why we ended up with the collusion of big

business and government was in the industrial revolution is that. they made it so that you couldn't file suit sense there was a lot of pollution i lived in pittsburgh and of rivers became you know a sewer and it wasn't cleaned up until long time later but not with the federal government by just the city of pittsburgh saying this isn't right you can't destroy another person's property so the environment is ruined i think there's a lot of question asked about whether it really changes the climate because quite frankly you know it is very evident they don't talk about global warming anymore they talk about climate change as if as if you know the storm we had here last week had something to do with people in california doing something with the weather and that's why we had a bad flood so i think that's way overblown is what worries ron paul the most what do you what do you lose sleep over a lot of things what. i don't i don't lose sleep and

you know they used to kid me a bit in congress when i vote by myself and i would always kid them i think but i sleep well at night because i just you know look at it and do what i think is right you know it's amazing i think of all the problems whether it's the foreign policy of the economic problems the federal reserve and the overtaxation overregulation and all this stuff but been really the government is a reflection of the people and i think that we've lost our way in many ways. individually in a moral sense and you know i believe it was adams who said that yes we have given you you know it's a system that won't work if you don't have a moral peace moral people freedom doesn't work if there's no self responsibility so maybe our system that was devised that worked pretty well is not working now is because we don't have the moral responsibility you would say i know you talk

a little bit about medical care and maybe there was a time fifty years ago when i started where people were more generous than. doctors were more generous and people weren't left out but if that happens where people become less moral and responsible for themselves or for the family or the family breakdown maybe the government that libertarians are promoting makes it more difficult maybe maybe we're not capable of doing that unless we change the people's sense of responsibility for themselves i think i think that becomes the solution if you're not responsible for yourself and don't take care of yourself and your family you lose a sense of satisfaction and you think that's where satisfaction comes from but how do you get that you can make a law. that's right and that's why i say it's it's sort of ironic i hear i talk about all these problems that i come up with something that we need to change the hearts and minds of people i know that is true educationally you have to change

people's understanding because we've lived now you know for nearly one hundred years with a keynesian type of economic interventionism where they teach it deficits are good and you should have a federal reserve that prints money when you need it well i think that that is an idea that hasn't worked but i think the moral standards have eroded i would this say if you wanted to just for a for instance what if it is the breakdown of the family you know the basic problem and you had a better family unit where they did assume responsibility for themselves it would solve a lot of the problem you're right you don't pass a law for that so maybe what we have in washington is a reflection of us out here if we know and believe and understand the proper role of government and there's a prevailing attitude believe me the members are congers are going to vote the right way when i did a lot of work on auditing the fear and i got the people in the country to say hey and that sounds like a pretty good idea and i had

a unanimous republican vote passed wholeheartedly in the house of representatives but we change the attitudes about the people so i think there are you know economic attitudes and foreign policy issues but there's also a moral attitude which i think might be on top of the list on this deferring to government and the acceptance of the use of force see the opposite of a libertarian is saying that it is proper for government to use force most of americans i think conservatives and liberals and all that they agree we're not supposed to go in and steal from our neighbors we're not supposed to go to our neighbors and beat up each other either everybody knows that's that's wrong to do it but nobody hardly other than libertarians challenges the thing they say is should the government be able to go. and steel so if you have no cars larry and i have three and you saying your congressman or and say hey i need one to ron paul's car and they do it and if i don't give you the car i go to jail that's the years of

hell and forethought that principle that has to be challenged ron you i mean hard as you have larry you and i have more than one. on a thousand a year on blue saw you all is very interesting and always great talking with you thank you larry ron paul and thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me of kings things and don't forget use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking.

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