police so that's an example but there are some examples. on which also police was saying that it was necessary to change it so in the first bit of time during the last year we used the state as a system you know because we the state is possible to bypass you know the usual rules but it was done possible to fall on lies before prime minister or president chrome prime minister and minister from dorio mr carro decided to push and to promote the new logo and to publish a new low which i know is to do what was possible to do in the states but no not in the usual running of the state the thing is that usually people are against when their liberties are somehow curtailed but recent polls

suggest major public supports the new law or french people so scared of the terror threat that they are ready to give up personal freedoms because it does seem like that. well you know only owns this point it is. the mindset of the french people change you know. four or five years ago. the democratic process. was seen as you know a protection in which liberties and it was my boss a bill to reduce the ability of any kind of you know with any kind of system. known as different people of industry through. research for the fronts you know as a better clue and those needs and those. people now react saying well it is this is free to take the good decision in order to protect ourselves and therefore

to reduce a little bit liberty you know that to give more efficiency to the police and that's a big change the french mind you know. force of french is really something in believable because. for twenty years ago it was impossible atoll. and no no it's a reality people agree to see some changes but of course it is not possible to change everything is not possible to withdraw all celebrities or to a youth that means we all want your diseases and we all like to have a hand there a balance ok we'll understand that this is happening this law is a reaction to back that clung to russell's other attacks that have happened in europe but is it wise to give the state that much authority i mean there's always a danger that terrorism will be used as an excuse to abuse power and we've seen this happen before. nobody can say is that. no we are using.

terrorism to change our own rooms no we change own rules because we own three senior program. once this program will be sold. probably. reduced you know zero zero zero ok i want to talk about the terrorism itself and how it has changed i mean it's not about arms anymore the closer nym's are the new weapons we're facing and they're much more difficult to detect moreover one doesn't need to be personally linked to a terrorist cell or a town to hate preaching sacked as all the destruction information is all over the internet well france's new law be really effective in fighting this new brand of terrorism the tourist moved to another attack a much more individual attack using calls you know using nice as it is to say using

. we very easy to get you know to get a car is very easy to get to a truck and to use a truck is not your problem to buy a knife to use your own knife is not your problem therefore it's much more difficult to control. on the one hand because you do such an individual is much more difficult to control is on the group obviously and the second is much more difficult to control someone using. that using the special. forces we expose if we treat qua you know to to get to but and it's not easy. so mr yeah why do you think all the latest terrorist attacks are suicidal why don't the terrorists want to leave anymore like they did in the past more importantly how do you fight someone who is not afraid of dying. well that's as a beginning the beginning it was

a big problem because as you know you can. secure it you have his side all the security your own someone when the people who are. attacking but they don't want to be killed know when the guy calls a woman who have decided. is much more difficult to do it to do blogs you know because they can buy all the controls zero for just this is story to change the police police mind and to organize your security not exactly the same you know we have to take into work are ready to move very quickly until the end of the story and so we have to be good for building systems. and again. more efficient in such a case you know. as

a beginning. for it but you know with the experience good. attacks you know i think it's a. minimum in front's we are more or less ready for it but we have to face the reality it's quite impossible to block everybody doing these kind of attacks. the reality of the terrorists in the past they used to want to something they were fighting for a cause the liberation of palestine irish reunification basque independence and now what do they want i mean it seems like they don't demand anything anymore they just kill people for sake of killing what's behind it. i think that now for fools individuals at that king in front is much more people who are against everything and you know by own civilization by way of living by our behavior.

and so you know. that it's impossible to work in such a kountry of such an area. is better to do killing a lot of people will notice. that the mind the mindset of these kind of people now. and those are team and those are kind of people are coming back fighter and the family of the fighter retied from syria. to stop in syria and iraq because or you know more war been thrown and they come back to come back to all countries and these people are much more dangerous than zero zero because they are they all fight they made war you know they know what is the walls they know how to use you know rifle machine gun and so on so they are more aggressive. but you know being warriors that is to say that exactly the same

and so we will have to adapt also know to these you get to gori one side. ok mr shia where they take a show break right now. when we come back we'll continue talking with every used to have the intelligence that the french external security service talking about different ways to fight a changing threat of terrorism stay with us. on. a flight for many clubs over the years so i know the game and so i got. the ball

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back when former director of intelligence at the french external security agency talking about the french and european anti-terrorism efforts welcome back. to your syria where will isis fighters of here appear in origin go after this so-called how they fight is no more do they pose a real danger if they return yes absolutely absolutely it's a big. it's a be done job because you know these people are warriors that is to say they have been trained to fly to do the war in iraq and syria and what is a comeback you know there's a comeback was an experience of the wall. also today as usual individual terrorists we face in fronts or about what do you think should happens to those trade terrorist war or should i say is which carney's be locked up or sent to some kind of a rehab program what do you do with them you can just kill them right. well it is

difficult to know what would be desirable. what we need apennines of. these people because if you take the experience. of the war you know worldwide. it appears that the war you're also fighting to those when they come back you know i know we we have informed we wanted to do the same situation at that bones and we have information. and. well to work to to push everybody to work together. in a more efficient ways and before and and we prove a system all the days you know. no foes if you chose a problem would be in some count trees you're right in some counties people maybe don't think don't don't react the same against your reasons and we and for no

obvious reason they don't have they didn't face terrorism means zero rio for a long time zero four you know. if. you know terrorism as relation of trees assaults of europe. because. we know and we. act you know all the time. you know it's not the same after a recent terror attack in new york german or german interior minister has called for a tatar security cooperation between usa and europe but every time something terrible like that happens we hear leaders deciding the necessity to closer cooperation i mean is this just a regular cliche or is the level of international cooperation still insufficient after all this horrible incidents and if so then why. read

tradition shared between or you know police and services in europe and also we tried to work. the best way you know wheezy american because the americans have a lot of information those. and you know insofar as they gain terrorism information intelligence is a key of the sexes. you know if you don't. a good a good level of intelligence you going to win against terrorism. forces for police to give you civility is necessary to work together to a change. giving that as you know giving information. from one side for others or in order to build some seeing serious unable to help everybody to fight. so care let's say you don't want to join your told service with the german one and that's all good seems to french intelligence is good enough like smaller

countries in the you have a lot less capabilities how do you work around this week links. well we you know this is one of the police. again terrorism owes a service and so working together as a police he's working with zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero police you know he knows or count trees everybody's trying to find the best solution you know that to avoid problems in his own kountry but also to him seals are coming from his so it's very clear you know very own zones in ohmss point your nose there is no no problem adorable. there is a real real. between everybody know some grown trees more some country of mourning for more information than i was you know because you know for for a lot of reasons so you know it is this is sort of to grow like those are that does

to a change that does but i just same times begin to have goans that no one of the same level of efficiency but each one is doing his best you know if your boss corporation with russian intelligence services on counterterrorism is very limited it's limited to threat assessment there is no operational agreement between the two sides because of the ukraine crisis and sanctions against russia but the russians have quite a bit of intelligence that could be really helpful it had info on they it's hard not have brothers for instance and its central asian expertise eason eight says later the attackers were from there i mean russia and the you may not see eye to eye on a wide range of issues but one day you could better off teaming up with russia on this particular issue. you know our president president. explains that the is done because we. agree on some points because russia

that we have to go all the bridge with russia. for instance again terrorism we have to work together because it's a common interest and as i said before when you speak about intelligence some count trees by experienced by kurds sure by you're going to his asian much more information is on those exist is a false centrally false centra you know the new also the middle east from the good guys you know really. more of a lot of information and it's interesting to a chinese who is. the same we can give them information also. so you know so the problem is the exchange is a reality between the two is a russian and zeroes also owns this is you you know you can only on political

research. be you know fully fully fully and separate that's being said that exactly. why you know you have and that's exactly my question you don't have to be i to i on political issue but that doesn't exclude real cooperation on terrorism and like you said what comes in a way. of our nation why isn't this exchange happening while you don't know i'm saying you don't know me is the same we don't know exactly what level of exchange you know between. a ping cone trees. but on my side i'm sure that there are a lot of exchange. you know the cia war in spain about the barcelona attacks the f.b.i. knew about the boston bombers european intelligence nearby those who attacked in brussels and paris get the attacks could have been prevented having the right

intelligence is obviously not in now so what is missing sometimes we don't a lot of. before to be done and. never mention you know no no one knows out from the police organization and just services organization no one you know so the reality is a. law is. made and succeed is because. we have to be on this is quite impossible to stall favors. if if something is made for instance by the one we decide the beans or morning. we say knife you know it's quite impossible to to stop it the only thing we can do is to put. those in order to avoid you know during this year. to make.

drew all. who died to kill too much people we have to be realistic we it is necessary to be very realistic in simple in seem possible to avoid. clear but. it is necessary to have fired all the time in order to achieve this goal to stop terrorism. mr j. i thank you very much for this interview or talking with former head of intelligence that the french external security agency about the menace of terrorism and ways to contain it that's it for this edition of.

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